Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 I don't know what happened to the previous post - it seems to have evaporated. so, if this comes through twice, I am truly sorry and not senile, yet;-) Background - diagnosed with cancer " in situ " E+ in 2000, lumpectomy, low dose chemo and radiation. For the past six years, I have completely changed my eating habits - no junk, fast foods, no white stuff, clean water, exercise, organic as much as possible and little/no processed foods. I have done a parasite cleanse and a colon cleanse. I know that I need to do the liver and gallbladder cleanse, but I am nervous about that one. Was told that I had fatty liver, I have one reoccurring cyst in my left breast (the same side that they took shots at before) and two in my right breast, all of which I have been told are non cancerous. (I am taking Cell Forte - have been for two months - they feel like they are smaller, but are definitely still there). Just recently I had all the major blood work done: Normal liver functions, cholesteriol has dropped 23 points, which is major (could be the coconut oil), no tumor markers of any kind, did live blood study, too - no cancer anywhere, but low WBC ( I am on an anti depressant and a sleeping pill that I am having trouble getting off of). I read that a tricyclic antidepressant and a bezion - whatever - sleep aid can cause low white blood count - something else they don't tell you about, or maybe don't even realize. If I don't eat meat, I get anemic. So my question is I do think that I need to Sutherlandia OPC (I have finished off my OS and I need more growth on my tree) but what else do I need to do about the WBC and the reoccurring cysts? Is two Cell forte a day not enough? I eat organic free range meats. Lack of protein really impacts depression (theroadback.com) and I can see improvements in energy and braqin ;-0 function with protein in morning and early afternoon. Is the protein defeating all the other good, even if it is organic? Sorry for the long post but I do want your input and information. this is sort of an update and a request all tied into one. Thanks for any help, Janna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Yes, I would highly recommend the OPC. One of the things OPC does with everyone who takes it is improve their CD4 numbers significantly.I do not think that a bit of organic meat should hurt. Have you tried the super green foods like chlorella and spirulina? They are packed with good protein.Yes, you should do the liver cleanse and if you have a fatty liver like I do you should highly consider lecithin with choline as well as:milk thistlealpha lipoic acidseleniumturmericbeet juiceThe coconut oil is excellent for the liver and helps keep the bile ducts open and flowing. Coffee enemas help too (yuck!) And look at Dr. Lamphier's recent post. She has really great stuff as well as advice. (Except when she disagrees with me of course - lolololol)What version of cell forte (inositol/IP6) are you using? The best is Cell Forte Max3 or the powder. If you are using regular Cell Forte capsules, you should take at least eight a day for a therapeutic dose and a couple a day for maintenance. If you use inositol/IP6 long term, be sure to supplement with extra calcium, zinc and magnesium - as well as trace minerals - and take those supplements a few hours apart from the inositol/IP6.A really excellent blood tonic is the one formulated by Jon Barron called Blood Support - it is modeled after the famous Doctor Christopher's blood tonic and is especially good for those fighting cancer (and is specifically recommended in my anti-cancer protocol - I consider it one of the big guns of the protocol in fact).Getting off the anti-depressant and sleeping pill would be a very good idea/Thanks so much for the update and all the very best to you!Tonyoleander soup , "dreamweavermphs" <cr8iveart wrote:>> I don't know what happened to the previous post - it seems to have evaporated. so, if this > comes through twice, I am truly sorry and not senile, yet;-) Background - diagnosed with > cancer "in situ" E+ in 2000, lumpectomy, low dose chemo and radiation. For the past six > years, I have completely changed my eating habits - no junk, fast foods, no white stuff, > clean water, exercise, organic as much as possible and little/no processed foods. I have > done a parasite cleanse and a colon cleanse. I know that I need to do the liver and > gallbladder cleanse, but I am nervous about that one. Was told that I had fatty liver, I have > one reoccurring cyst in my left breast (the same side that they took shots at before) and > two in my right breast, all of which I have been told are non cancerous. (I am taking Cell > Forte - have been for two months - they feel like they are smaller, but are definitely still > there). Just recently I had all the major blood work done: Normal liver functions, > cholesteriol has dropped 23 points, which is major (could be the coconut oil), no tumor > markers of any kind, did live blood study, too - no cancer anywhere, but low WBC ( I am > on an anti depressant and a sleeping pill that I am having trouble getting off of). I read > that a tricyclic antidepressant and a bezion - whatever - sleep aid can cause low white > blood count - something else they don't tell you about, or maybe don't even realize. If I > don't eat meat, I get anemic. So my question is I do think that I need to Sutherlandia OPC > (I have finished off my OS and I need more growth on my tree) but what else do I need to > do about the WBC and the reoccurring cysts? Is two Cell forte a day not enough? I eat > organic free range meats. Lack of protein really impacts depression (theroadback.com) and > I can see improvements in energy and braqin ;-0 function with protein in morning and > early afternoon. Is the protein defeating all the other good, even if it is organic? Sorry for > the long post but I do want your input and information. this is sort of an update and a > request all tied into one. Thanks for any help, Janna> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Tony,What are CD4 numbers? I haven't heard that term used before. Trying to learn here. Thanks, Janna -------------- Original message from "Tony" : -------------- Yes, I would highly recommend the OPC. One of the things OPC does with everyone who takes it is improve their CD4 numbers significantly. MARKETPLACE Blockbuster is giving away a FREE trial of - Blockbuster Total Access. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 As I understand it, the CD4 count is the number of " helper T-cell lyphocytes " per cubic millimeter of blood - a lymphocyte being a white blood cell. The helper T-cell white blood cells are the ones which part of the body's defense against infection. An elevated white blood cell count indicates that the body is fighting (or has recently been fighting) an infection, whereas a low white blood cell count indicates an immune deficiency. oleander soup , cr8iveart wrote: > > > > Tony, > What are CD4 numbers? I haven't heard that term used before. Trying to learn here. Thanks, Janna -------------- Original message from " Tony " : -------------- > > > > > Yes, I would highly recommend the OPC. One of the things OPC does with everyone who takes it is improve their CD4 numbers significantly. > > > > > MARKETPLACE > > Blockbuster is giving away a FREE trial of - Blockbuster Total Access.');} catch(e){}//--> > > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un > > > > Recent Activity >  13 > New Members Visit Your Group > > > Meditation and > Lovingkindness > A Group > to share and learn. > > Health > Healthy Aging > Improve your > quality of life. > > Biz Resources > Y! Small Business > Articles, tools, > forms, and more. > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Thanks Tony. I am going to do a liver cleanse this next week and order OPC, giving my plant some more time to grow. I will up my dosage of Cell forte till I finish this bottle, but will order Cell Forte Max for the next go round. Thanks for all the information, I so appreciate all your help. Janna -------------- Original message from "Tony" : -------------- As I understand it, the CD4 count is the number of "helper T-cell lyphocytes" per cubic millimeter of blood - a lymphocyte being a white blood cell. The helper T-cell white blood cells are the ones which part of the body's defense against infection. An elevated white blood cell count indicates that the body is fighting (or has recently been fighting) an infection, whereas a low white blood cell count indicates an immune deficiency. oleander soup , cr8iveart wrote: > > > > Tony, > What are CD4 numbers? I haven't heard that term used before. Trying to learn here. Thanks, Janna -------------- Original message from "Tony" : -------------- > > > > > Yes, I would highly recommend the OPC. One of the things OPC does with everyone who takes it is improve their CD4 numbers significantly. > > > > > MARKETPLACE > > Blockbuster is giving away a FREE trial of - Blockbuster Total Access.');} catch(e){}//--> > > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un > > > > Recent Activity >  13 > New Members Visit Your Group > > > Meditation and > Lovingkindness > A Group > to share and learn. > > Health > Healthy Aging > Improve your > quality of life. > > Biz Resources > Y! Small Business > Articles, tools, > forms, and more. > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 You also take more than the normal dosage for Max3 for therapeutic purposes. 6-8 per day instead of 2. oleander soup , cr8iveart wrote: > > > > Thanks Tony. I am going to do a liver cleanse this next week and order OPC, giving my plant some more time to grow. I will up my dosage of Cell forte till I finish this bottle, but will order Cell Forte Max for the next go round. Thanks for all the information, I so appreciate all your help. Janna -------------- Original message from " Tony " : -------------- > > > > > As I understand it, the CD4 count is the number of " helper T-cell > lyphocytes " per cubic millimeter of blood - a lymphocyte being a white > blood cell. The helper T-cell white blood cells are the ones which > part of the body's defense against infection. > > An elevated white blood cell count indicates that the body is fighting > (or has recently been fighting) an infection, whereas a low white > blood cell count indicates an immune deficiency. > > > > oleander soup , cr8iveart@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Tony, > > What are CD4 numbers? I haven't heard that term used before. Trying > to learn here. Thanks, Janna -------------- Original message from > " Tony " @>: -------------- > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I would highly recommend the OPC. One of the > things OPC does with everyone who takes it is improve their CD4 > numbers significantly. > > > > > > > > > > MARKETPLACE > > > > Blockbuster is giving away a FREE trial of - Blockbuster > Total Access.');} catch(e){}//--> > > > > > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) > > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | > Switch format to Traditional > > Visit Your Group | > Terms of Use | Un > > > > > > > > Recent Activity > >  13 > > New Members > Visit Your Group > > > > > > Meditation and > > Lovingkindness > > A Group > > to share and learn. > > > > Health > > Healthy Aging > > Improve your > > quality of life. > > > > Biz Resources > > Y! Small Business > > Articles, tools, > > forms, and more. > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Tony, can the CD4 be tested with a regular blood test? Angel .. Re: new dr report Posted by: "Tony" Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:38 am (PDT) As I understand it, the CD4 count is the number of "helper T-celllyphocytes" per cubic millimeter of blood - a lymphocyte being a whiteblood cell. The helper T-cell white blood cells are the ones whichpart of the body's defense against infection.An elevated white blood cell count indicates that the body is fighting(or has recently been fighting) an infection, whereas a low whiteblood cell count indicates an immune deficiency.Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 I am not sure, but I think it is part of an overall comprehensive blood test. If not, it can surely be tested for specifically. CD4 levels are most often related to HIV, with levels below 500 being considered low. Keep in mind that CD4 cells are just part of the lymphocytes and lymphocytes are just part of the overall white blood cells. oleander soup , <toreadpeoplehealthinfo wrote: > > Tony, can the CD4 be tested with a regular blood test? > > Angel > > > > . > Re: new dr report > Posted by: " Tony " > Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:38 am (PDT) > As I understand it, the CD4 count is the number of " helper T-cell > lyphocytes " per cubic millimeter of blood - a lymphocyte being a white > blood cell. The helper T-cell white blood cells are the ones which > part of the body's defense against infection. > > An elevated white blood cell count indicates that the body is fighting > (or has recently been fighting) an infection, whereas a low white > blood cell count indicates an immune deficiency. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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