Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Hi,I am a newbie here. I have Rheumatoid Arthritis and have been basing managing pain by removing allergens from my diet, some exercise and occasionally Enbrel shots if the pain is unbearable. If there are people with RA in this group and have other suggestions I am listening. How many of you have used OS for RA and seen results? Thanks in advance.shanti--- On Mon, 7/14/08, oleander soup <oleander soup > wrote:oleander soup <oleander soup > Digest Number 874oleander soup Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 5:06 AM Oleander Soup Oleander Soup Messages In This Digest (14 Messages) 1a. Re: Principles of Good Health/Mary evian793 2a. Re: Anvirzel flore1951 2b. Re: Anvirzel May 3a. colloidal silver sinus infections robyn howell 3b. Re: colloidal silver sinus infections May 4a. Re: Loss of member Rob Sherman May 4b. Re: Loss of member Rob Sherman Tony 5a. Do not rely solely on Oleander to beat and prevent cancer Tony 6a. HCG FOR WEIGHT LOSS - NOT A PRUDENT IDEA robert-blau 6b. Re: HCG FOR WEIGHT LOSS - NOT A PRUDENT IDEA robyn howell 7. Utopia Silver's Fight for Health Freedom May 8. Re: [!! SPAM] Utopia Silver's Fight for Health Freed bbanever 9. Re: Bonnie & Cody Progress/Tammatha evian793 10. Ordering CS evian793 View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: Principles of Good Health/Mary Posted by: "evian793" evian793 evian_2000 Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:42 am (PDT) Thanks for that offer Mary! However, I don't fly, haven't flown since the mid 80's! Have always been shy of flying even if I did do it to go to Hawaii and California. On the way home from Hawaii we had 8 stopovers nonstop and for one who hates flying it was torture! Took over 24 hours to get home! I hope you have a wonderful time in Greece visiting with your family. What a wonderful place to go! Hugs, Bonnie & Cody ************ **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker. com! (http://www.tourtrac ker.com?NCID= aolmus0005000000 0112) Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 2a. Re: Anvirzel Posted by: "flore1951" florette flore1951 Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:58 am (PDT) oleander soup, "florette" <florette@.. .> wrote: > > Hi everybody, my name is Marie, It's been a while since I been reading every > body stories and I learn a lot from all of you and I want to thank you all > especially the article about "Big Pharma". Would you please tell me where to > buy Anvirzel? Thank You > Thank you for telling me it's in the market place. would you please tell me what place in that market than I can find Anvirzel? Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 2b. Re: Anvirzel Posted by: " May" luellamay129 luellamay129 Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:14 am (PDT) Hi Marie, You can purchase Anvirzel from the Salud Integral Clinic in Honduras. http://www.saludint egral.hn/ The price is $2,700 for a 3 month supply and members of this group get a 10% discount. Hugs, oleander soup, "flore1951" <florette@.. .> wrote: > > oleander soup, "florette" florette@ wrote: > > > > Hi everybody, my name is Marie, It's been a while since I been > reading every > > body stories and I learn a lot from all of you and I want to thank > you all > > especially the article about "Big Pharma". Would you please tell me > where to > > buy Anvirzel? Thank You > > > Thank you for telling me it's in the market place. would you please > tell me what place in that market than I can find Anvirzel? > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 3a. colloidal silver sinus infections Posted by: "robyn howell" robynehowell Robynehowell Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:59 am (PDT) will colloidal silver clear up sinus infections? How to take it? Thanks, Robyn --- On Sat, 6/21/08, May <luellamay129@ > wrote: May <luellamay129@ > Re: UTI? oleander soup Saturday, June 21, 2008, 7:37 AM Hi Joan, If I have not already welcomed you to the group, I give you a hearty welcome. The answer is YES!!!!!!!!! Colloidal silver, and of course I always recomend Utopia Silver , will clear up your urinary tract infection and any other infection you may have. Actually, I would drink maybe half an 8 oz bottle to start with. Take as much as you deem necessary until that infection is gone and then preventative maintenance for overall health is always best, which is one to three teaspoons a day. Myself, I take one teaspoon a day. Keep in mind, you cannot overdose on colloidal silver. In the meantime, Let me also leave you with the remedies for urinary tract infections found on The Best Years in Life Remedies for Urinary Tract Infections And... I hope you feel better real soon. Hugs, oleander soup, Joan Connorton <jecgsd wrote: > > HI -- does anyone have any experience using Utopia Silver for a urinary > tract infection? I woke up with one this morning & am desperate -- if > not, will it hurt to try? What dosage do you think? Thanks a lot. > This will be my first foray into the wonderful world of colloidal > silver! = Joan, a newbie > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (15) 3b. Re: colloidal silver sinus infections Posted by: " May" luellamay129 luellamay129 Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:00 am (PDT) Yes Robyn, colloidal silver is extremely effective against sinus infections. Take it internally, and you can use it as a spray. Hugs, oleander soup, robyn howell <robynehowell@ ...> wrote: > > > will colloidal silver clear up sinus infections? How to take it? > Thanks, Robyn > > --- On Sat, 6/21/08, May luellamay129@ ... wrote: > > May luellamay129@ ... > Re: UTI? > oleander soup > Saturday, June 21, 2008, 7:37 AM > > Hi Joan, > If I have not already welcomed you to the group, I give you a hearty welcome. > The answer is YES!!!!!!!!! > Colloidal silver, and of course I always recomend Utopia Silver , will clear up your urinary tract infection and any other infection you may have. Actually, I would drink maybe half an 8 oz bottle to start with. Take as much as you deem necessary until that infection is gone and then preventative maintenance for overall health is always best, which is one to three teaspoons a day. Myself, I take one teaspoon a day. Keep in mind, you cannot overdose on colloidal silver. > In the meantime, Let me also leave you with the remedies for urinary tract infections found on The Best Years in Life > Remedies for Urinary Tract Infections > And... I hope you feel better real soon. > Hugs, > > > oleander soup, Joan Connorton > jecgsd@ wrote: > > > > HI -- does anyone have any experience using Utopia Silver for a urinary > > tract infection? I woke up with one this morning & am desperate -- if > > not, will it hurt to try? What dosage do you think? Thanks a lot. > > This will be my first foray into the wonderful world of colloidal > > silver! = Joan, a newbie > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (15) 4a. Re: Loss of member Rob Sherman Posted by: " May" luellamay129 luellamay129 Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:27 am (PDT) Ed, I am so very saddened. My condolensces go out to you and his family and friends. Hugs (and this is truly from the heart), oleander soup, "ed4soup" <ed4636 wrote: > > Rob Sherman recently died from liver and lung cancer. He was unsure > what to do with his advancing disease. He was taking OPC, the mix from > our member from S.Africa, and chemo from his MD. I was in touch with > him and his valiant efforts to defeat both liver and lung tumors. I > grieve for his family and friends. Ed > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 4b. Re: Loss of member Rob Sherman Posted by: "Tony" Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:03 am (PDT) This news saddens me greatly. He fought the good fight and my heart goes out to his family. I also grieve for you too, my very dear and special friend. I know that you knew Rob longer and more closely than I did, though I am aware through you and my messages back and forth to him what a valiant fighter he was. Rob had a hard time keeping oleander soup down, and so he abandoned it after a brief trial quite a while back. As it is, he outlived all of his doctors predictions, but I truly regret all the length of time where he had all the chemo and mainstream treatments without the benefit of oleander to help offset those procedures and aid in his fight. oleander soup, "ed4soup" <ed4636 wrote: > > Rob Sherman recently died from liver and lung cancer. He was unsure > what to do with his advancing disease. He was taking OPC, the mix from > our member from S.Africa, and chemo from his MD. I was in touch with > him and his valiant efforts to defeat both liver and lung tumors. I > grieve for his family and friends. Ed > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 5a. Do not rely solely on Oleander to beat and prevent cancer Posted by: "Tony" Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:51 am (PDT) Relying ONLY on oleander as a cancer fighter or preventive without any lifestyle changes or other supplementation is, in my opinion, neither wise nor as healthy a plan as one should undertake. There is NO silver bullet for cancer, though oleander comes close, and. Relying solely on oleander is like going hunting with only one bullet in your gun. The more bullets you have, so long as they are compatible, the better your chances. My anti-cancer protocol has been designed to have all elements be compatible with one another and to address every area of concern and knowledge regarding cancer. The more parts of the protocol one uses, the better their odds of beating cancer - and I would put those odds at 90 percent plus except for very late stage cancers and patients whose immune system and major organs have not been too heavily damaged from chemo and/or radiation. Far too many people are looking for some magic pill, potion or treatment they can take while continuing with their unhealthy diets and lifestyles. One of the major reasons that cancers return after chemo and/or radiation and/or surgery (besides the damage such procedures do to the immune system) is because people just want to get rid of their cancer and go on the same way they did before - which was a way that allowed cancer to gain a foothold. A big reason that I am loathe to tell anyone to simply take a lesser maintenance dose of oleander and stop at that is that there are far too many people who would be prone to just taking the oleander and returning to burning their bacon, eating their junk and fast foods, and returning to their couches with remote control to let their health and lives waste away. Taking oleander as a preventive is excellent advice - I think everyone should do so. But it takes more than that to really be sure of beating and avoiding cancer. As great as oleander is, it is not a substitute for sunshine, exercise, pure water, fresh air, vitamins, minerals, and a healthy diet of mostly raw veggies and fruits. A healthy lifestyle and diet is essential no matter what one is taking, and you will find that both Phoenix Biotech, the makers of Anvirzel, and Marc Swanepoel, the designer of OPC, recommend healthy changes in lifestyle. As Phoenix will tell you, they have studied oleander extensively and found it to be compatible with most herbs and medicines. And as they have told me, they believe that a person should take other supplements along with oleander to be sure that a person is getting all the essential vitamins, minerals and trace minerals necessary to have a healthy immune system and best fight cancer. Insofar as "jacking" with oleander, Marc's OPC has a success rate of well over 90%, and the health enhancing properties of the Sutherlandia Frutescens he adds as 20% of th mixture are well documented in studies and actual use. The South African government has been so impressed with it that they issued a postage stamp in its honor. Marc also recommends healthy lifestyle changes, as noted. Marc has more experience with oleander than anyone else in this group, and likely more than anyone in the world outside Phoenix Biotech and Dr. Ozel himself. Whether it is the oleander, the Sutherlandia Frutescens, or lifestyle changes the bottom line is OVER 90% SUCCESS AGAINST CANCER AND 100% SUCCESS IN REVERSING HIV SYMPTOMS. When you combine the success rate with the fact that there has not been one single serious adverse reaction, it is really hard to argue against OPC or my protocol, imho. I might also add this: there are great number of people who cannot afford the $2700 for three months of Anvirzel who also are reluctant to make their own homemade remedy on their kitchen stoves. For those people, an inexpensive supplement like OPC that is now made to very high standards by a pharmaceutical manufacturing company offers a product that they can afford and have confidence in. I can see no reason to cause anyone to doubt a proven product that could save their lives. Tony oleander soup, "ed4soup" <ed4636 wrote: > > OS is the real deal. Jacking with it, ie: adding other "possible" > cures, is asking for trouble. I'm taking at least 4 tbs. per week as a > preventative. There is NO evidence that modifying OS with any > additive makes it more effective. It is what it is, a natural folk > remedy when made according to published recipes. > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 6a. HCG FOR WEIGHT LOSS - NOT A PRUDENT IDEA Posted by: "robert-blau" robert-blau rb2717 Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:02 pm (PDT) Ralph W. Moss, Ph.D. Weekly CancerDecisions. com Newsletter #349 07/13/08 THE MOSS REPORTS - CANCER DECISIONS NEWSLETTER HCG FOR WEIGHT LOSS - NOT A PRUDENT IDEA The use of human chorionic gonadotropin - hCG - as an aid to weight loss has become increasingly popular lately, largely as a result of a book by Kevin Trudeau, titled "The Weight Loss Cure 'They' Don't Want You to Know About." But hCG isn't just a harmless dietary supplement. Like all hormones it has profound physiological effects on a wide variety of organs and tissues. http://www.cancerde cisions.com/ 071308.html Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 6b. Re: HCG FOR WEIGHT LOSS - NOT A PRUDENT IDEA Posted by: "robyn howell" robynehowell Robynehowell Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:52 pm (PDT) What about for my undersized kid? thanks, Robyn --- On Sun, 7/13/08, robert-blau@ webtv.net <robert-blau@ webtv.net> wrote: robert-blau@ webtv.net <robert-blau@ webtv.net> HCG FOR WEIGHT LOSS - NOT A PRUDENT IDEA searching-alternati ves , SymphonicHealth, oleander soup, avmassey (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net, purrlady@zoomintern et.net, asoftbouquet@ , aviator72 (AT) aol (DOT) com, dallyn2u (AT) aol (DOT) com Sunday, July 13, 2008, 3:02 PM Ralph W. Moss, Ph.D. Weekly CancerDecisions. com Newsletter #349 07/13/08 THE MOSS REPORTS - CANCER DECISIONS NEWSLETTER HCG FOR WEIGHT LOSS - NOT A PRUDENT IDEA The use of human chorionic gonadotropin - hCG - as an aid to weight loss has become increasingly popular lately, largely as a result of a book by Kevin Trudeau, titled "The Weight Loss Cure 'They' Don't Want You to Know About." But hCG isn't just a harmless dietary supplement. Like all hormones it has profound physiological effects on a wide variety of organs and tissues. http://www.cancerde cisions.com/ 071308.html Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 7. Utopia Silver's Fight for Health Freedom Posted by: " May" luellamay129 luellamay129 Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:54 pm (PDT) Note: The photo will be visible in the email you receive but it will be archived forever without the picture in the forum. I sure wish would update their forums to support graphics. Utopia Silver's Fight for Health Freedom A CureZone Special Report by Tony Isaacs [http://www.tbyil. com/Utopia1. jpg] For the past five years the Utopia Silver Supplement Company, has been waging a battle for health freedom against the giants of the State of Texas and the FDA - one which may have major implications for all of us regarding the freedom of access to natural health supplements. (Pictured to the left is Utopia Silver owner Ben Taylor, catching up on the latest news and sports while dining with the author at the famous Laurel Tree restaurant near Utopia, Texas) Much like the Alamo defenders in days gone by, this small Texas company and its supporters of health freedom are pitted against a corrupt giant determined to impose it's will and stifle freedom - and, just like the Alamo and the struggles that followed, the outcome may effect the freedom and future of millions. The conflict began as result of an FDA complaint five years ago that seeks to set a precedent for how much control the FDA has over all natural supplement companies and specifically the manufacture and sale of colloidal silver supplements. While the Texas Attorney General's office may try to contend that this is merely a state action "to insure the safety of the citizens of the State of Texas", the truth is that in Texas the state attorney generals are commissioned as officers of the FDA and there is no denying that the investigation into Utopia Silver began as a result of an FDA complaint. Therefore, this is really a Federal action by proxy and it has pitted Utopia Silver Supplements, a small supplement company and maker of colloidal silver which I consult to, against the Goliath of the FDA and the World Pharma lords the FDA serves. The persecution of Utopia Silver began five years or so ago, about the same time that the FDA began renewed targeting of colloidal silver because of it's effectiveness as a natural anti-biotic and rising popularity - and not coincidentally as a threat to the profits of Big Pharma and mainstream medicine - the FDA sent an email to the Texas Department of State Health Services (TDSHS ) essentially complaining that Utopia Silver was making medical claims which, in the eyes of the FDA turned their supplements into drugs. The TDSHS then brought the `complaint' to the Office of the Texas Attorney General (TAG). It has since been determined that among the targeted objections are: having `disease' terms such as cancer, hepatitis, diabetes, etc., posted anywhere on the website; having any `disease' terms in a search engine, and the posting of testimonials from customers who had used Utopia Silver products and defeated or improved any `disease' condition. Such restrictions appear to be clear violation of the First Amendment (Freedom of Speech) of the Constitution of the United States of America, especially the supposed prohibition against posting testimonials and speaking the truth about how people believe that dietary supplements have helped them. If the FDA is to have their way, they will stifle a supplement company's constitutionally protected freedom of speech to the extent that a person seeking a natural dietary supplement for any medical condition would not be able to go to any website which offered vitamins, minerals, natural supplements or any other alternatives to mainstream medicine and be able to find that term in a search of the site or mentioned anywhere in the site. Neither would they be able to find testimonials/ customer opinion from anyone who had used an alternative to FDA approved drugs and medical procedures. It is no secret that the FDA has targeted colloidal silver, which is a safe, effective, natural and inexpensive pathogen destroyer - four common traits of dietary supplements that represent competition to the approved drugs of Big Pharma and which frequently come under FDA attack. It is worth noting that that the FDA at one time had approved 34 different prescribed and OTC medications containing silver, but withdrew approval at about the same time antibiotics came on the market and superior methods of making colloidal silver commercially and at home were devised. The state hearings and likely trial are purportedly about licensing and inspections, but the FDA complaint was centered around the publication of customer testimonials which the FDA considers to be health claims that enable them to label Colloidal Silver and other Utopia Silver dietary supplements as drugs, and that too is part of the legal proceedings. Although the State of Texas maintains that they are acting alone, Utopia Silver has obtained copies of individual certificates which show that the state health and AG employees are also "Commissioned Officers" of the FDA - in apparent conflict with the separation of state and federal powers. It is Utopia Silver's contention that the actions to restrict them are unconstitutional restraints on the freedom of commercial speech (as borne out by previous Supreme Court decisions) and further contends that there is no constitutional jurisdiction for the state agencies, who are actually for-profit corporations (and they are listed as such by Dun and Bradstreet) disguised as constitutional entities. Utopia Silver believes, as do many others including legal scholars, that much of the country's court system and agencies operate outside the Constitution as corporate entities, having no real jurisdiction until defendents unwittingly submit to the jurisdiction by entering into a "contract" with the courts and agencies through such measures as appearing before a court, entering a motion, applying for a license, etc. Such scholars and observers point to the yellow fringed admiratly flags flying in most of our courts as clear symbols that the courts are not constitutional courts but rather administrative corporate courts operating under the "color of law". In the case against Utopia Silver, Taylor contends that there is no constitutionally mandated requirement for them to submit to what amounts to a commercial contract with the STATE OF TEXAS, a corporation acting under the color of law but not under the state or federal constitutions, and not in accordance with the God-given unalienable rights clearly declared by our forefathers when this country was founded. So far the Texas Attorney General's Office (TAG), has given no indication of making a fair or reasonable settlement - although in the Spring of 2007, the Assistant Texas Attorney General in charge of the case, Raul Noriega, first agreed and then reneged on an oral agreement that would have settled the case. When asked why, Noriega's response was that he was told by higher ups to proceed to trial despite the prior agreement to settle. Last summer, TDSHS employees paid three separate visits to the Utopia Silver offices and demanded with a bogus warrant to make inspections. The first time, two TDSHS officers paid a visit. One identified himself as an "inspector" and the other as an "investigator" . The owner of Utopia Silver, Ben Taylor, asked to see credentials so he could make copies. When they refused he ordered them to leave his offices. The next day they returned, accompanied by two Texas State Troopers, and said they had a warrant. When Taylor demanded to see a supporting affidavit, they refused, saying he could go to Austin if he wanted to see it and threatening to arrest Taylor if he did not comply. At that point, Taylor began placing a phone call to the local sheriff, and the TDSHS employees and State Troopers beat a hasty retreat. It was later determined that no properly executed affidavit ever existed. Two days later the TDSHS employees returned for a third time, just ahead of a Sheriff's Deputy. Taylor told them that since he was expecting the deputy to be there that morning to take statements about their previous visits, he would talk to them after he spoke to the deputy. He told the two TDSHS/FDA `officers' to wait outside until the deputy took statements from four employees who had witnessed what had transpired the previous days. "In the middle of the first statement," said Taylor, "the investigator came in asked to speak to the deputy. The deputy followed him to the lobby and I followed right behind. The TDSHS/FDA officer asked if I was going to comply with the warrant for an inspection. I again told him that I would talk to him when I finished with the deputy" "He then proceeded to say that since I was refusing his inspection," Taylor continued, "would I sign a document stating that I refused inspection, and I said no and they meekly left. After that, we finished giving our statements to the Sheriff's deputy and so far they have not been back." Since then, they continued to stonewall and refused to answer questions or otherwise attempt to make clarifications requested by Ben Taylor in accordance with the presiding judge's request for both sides to work together to try to work out an agreement. When Utopia Silver asked why they were being singled out for such actions and nothing was happening to similar companies, Assistant Attorney General Noriega said that it had been decided to make Utopia Silver a test case. After he made the statement, he was interrupted by the TDSHS officer, who, according to Taylor "proceeded to hem and haw on that point, obviously not comfortable with that statement having been made by the Assistant Attorney General." While the Texas Attorney General's office may try to contend that this is merely a state action "to insure the safety of the citizens of the State of Texas", the truth is that in Texas the state attorney generals are commissioned as officers of the FDA, something Taylor discovered during his defense of the case, and there is no denying that the investigation into Utopia Silver began as a result of an FDA complaint. Therefore, it appears clear that the entire case is really a Federal action by proxy. At a subsequent meeting before a judge in Austin, the judge threatened to set a trial date and tried to first intimidate and then coerce Ben Taylor to agree to a trial. Mr. Taylor refused to agree, since in doing so he would be in effect entering into a contract to agree to the court's jurisdiction. At one point a deputy was summoned with the clear implication that Mr. Taylor might be arrested if he failed to agree. Taylor, after various other tactics of intimidation by the judge, stated that, "The court might have the power to force me into a trial, but I will never agree to any a trial date and will attend only "in propria persona" (in one's own proper person) by "special appearance" in order to defend my God-given Rights." (Note: an appearance may be either general or special; the former is a simple unqualified or unrestricted submission to the jurisdiction of the court where the defendant waives defects of service, the latter is for the purpose of objecting to the sufficiency of service or the jurisdiction of the court over a defendant without submitting to such jurisdiction) . The judge later commented in his chambers to Mr. Taylor, "This system operates on fear, you have no fear and that's a problem for us." Instead of setting a trial, a hearing was set before a new judge to determine a date for interrogatories and discovery as well as inspections and sanctions - all of which are slippery grounds and another step towards a trial. At the subsequent hearing, Taylor again stated his objections to the jurisdiction and a new hearing was ordered to determine jurisdiction. When the new hearing was held and both sides presented their arguments, the judge rendered no immediate verdict and said she would take it under advisement and render a subsequent decision. As expected, when the judge made her decision she either dismissed or ignored all arguments by Taylor and co-defendant Adask, however she failed to do so pursuant to your Texas Rules of Civil Procedure, first sending an email of her ruling and then sending a letter of the ruling, without it being properly entered into the record as required. Some observers believe that such failure was yet another in a string of ploys intended to trap Taylor, Adask and other defendants into unwittingly submitting to the court's jurisdiction. Instead of accepting the improper notice, Taylor sent his own notice of insufficient service to the court along with a demand to cease and desist the fraudulent actions against them. Taylor's notice was sent on November 30th of last year - and since it was filed, a silence has descended upon the case. As Taylor reports, "We haven't heard anything from the Texas Attorney General or the courts since late November of last year (about 230 days). At that time, the "judge" issued (by email initially) a court order denying my and Al Adask's (Anti-Shyster publisher and Texas State Supreme Court Libertarian Party candidate) special appearance." (As noted previously, a "special appearance" is one in which is made without submitting to the jurisdiction of the court). Many who have followed the case feel that the FDA and their state servants bit off much more than they realized when they decided to take on Taylor and Utopia Silver. Those who know Taylor will tell you that he is a super patriot who deeply believes in freedom and liberty; one who has never backed down from a fight for what he believes is right and one who is determined to carry this fight to the very end no matter what the personal cost. Instead of finding a small company and a man they could bully, they have instead been fought to a standstill and have found themselves facing not only an opponent who refused to knuckle under, but also some very thorny issues they do not wish to face - such as the FDA commissioning state officers, the FDA and other such agencies' true constitutional powers, freedom of commercial speech, the issue of God-given unalienable rights and the entire corporate "color of law" administrative system of courts and agencies. This is the notice sent to the court by Ben Taylor: RETURN OF PURPORTED COURT ORDER FOR INSUFFICIENT PROCESS AND DEMAND THAT FRAUDULENT ACTIONS CEASE, attached below. C.M.R.R. 7003 0500 0000 9039 8675, dated November 30, 2007 Reference: Cause No. D-1-GV-04-000268 (GV 400268) IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF TRAVIS COUNTY 201ST JUDICIAL DISTRICT THE STATE OF TEXAS, et. al. Plaintifs, v. UTOPIA SILVER, INC., et. al. Defendants & Alleged Defendants RETURN OF PURPORTED COURT ORDER FOR INSUFFICIENT PROCESS AND DEMAND THAT FRAUDULENT ACTIONS CEASE NOTICE TO THE COURT: I, Ben Taylor, in my proper person (in propria persona) as a Man with certain God-given unalienable and non-negotiable Rights and by right of Special Visitation, hereby return the purported ORDER DENYING SPECIAL APPEARANCES, which was placed in a containment designated as Post Office Box 444, Utopia, a geographical location within the boundaries of The State of Texas on or about November 28, 2007 and addressed to a non-existent "Ben Taylor, pro se", as insufficient process pursuant to your Texas Rules of Civil Procedure, Part II, Section 1, Rule 15 & Rule 16, Writs and Process, to wit: TEXAS RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURE PART II - RULES OF PRACTICE IN DISTRICT AND COUNTY COURTS SECTION 1. GENERAL RULES RULE 15. WRITS AND PROCESS The style of all writs and process shall be "The State of Texas;" and unless otherwise specially provided by law or these rules every such writ and process shall be directed to any sheriff or any constable within the State of Texas, shall be made returnable on the Monday next after expiration of twenty days from the date of service thereof, and shall be dated and attested by the clerk with the seal of the court impressed thereon; and the date of issuance shall be noted thereon. RULE 16. SHALL ENDORSE ALL PROCESS Every officer or authorized person shall endorse on all process and precepts coming to his hand the day and hour on which he received them, the manner in which he executed them, and the time and place the process was served and shall sign the returns officially. Further, I demand that this court, Plaintiff's, and Plaintiff's attorneys immediately cease and desist with all of their fraudulent actions and attempts to entice, trick and otherwise force me into a jurisdiction that has no dominion or authority over me and my business, whether in the presence of my proper person or through the United States Postal Service, via electronic mail, or by any other means of communication. Without Prejudice, and with a Reservation of All God-given unalienable Rights, Within The organic State of Texas, The United States of America ____________ _________ __ Ben Taylor, a Man c/o P.O. Box 444 Utopia [78884] Within The organic State of Texas, The United States of America As Taylor reports, "This Notice seems to have short-circuited the Plaintiff's intention to set another court hearing date for Motions for a court ordered interrogatories and depositions under oath, as well as a restraining order to prevent my selling of colloidal silver (which they say is a drug because of customer testimonials) and silver generators (which they call a medical device). "Also filed by us into evidence was a number of other things, including, but not limited to, The Organic Laws of The United States of America, The Common Law (specifically The Herbalist Charter), The Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act of 1933, which limits the FDA's jurisdiction/ authority to Washington, DC and the territories (supported by the 18th and 21st Amendments) except in the regulating (organizing for efficient flow) of interstate commerce (transportation across State lines - there is no FDA authority to control the sale and manufacturing of anything that I can find.), the case of Lopez v. United States, Dun & Bradstreet documents showing that the Texas Courts and government `agencies' are "corporations for profit", the United States Code 28 Sec. 3002 showing that the "United States" is a federal corporation (which is a fictitious rather than an organic entity- our God-given Rights are recognized only by the organic United States of America)and numerous other Supreme cases that establish that God-given Rights cannot be statutorily converted into privileges." Has Taylor and health freedom triumphed over a system that is corrupt and unconstitutional? Time may tell otherwise, but so far the silence has been deafening, and, should the state choose to take further action, Taylor promised that he and his co-defendants will then "go on the offensive by filing suit against key officials (in their individual capacities) who have conspired to violate our Constitutionally secured Rights. Public servants/government officials lose their "official immunity" if they overstep their authority as granted (and limited) by the Organic Laws of the USA." - (Author's Note: Ben Taylor signed on as a CureZone sponsor last year. You can find his Utopia Silver Supplement Company in the sponsors box at the bottom of every CureZone page, and he has a special discount code for CureZone members - LR001 - which affords an automatic 15% discount on any product not on sale at the time.) Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 8. Re: [!! SPAM] Utopia Silver's Fight for Health Freed Posted by: "bbanever" bbanever californiabichonblue Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:54 pm (PDT) Ben Taylor... True Patriot!!! - May oleander soup Sunday, July 13, 2008 6:54 PM [!! SPAM] Utopia Silver's Fight for Health Freedom Note: The photo will be visible in the email you receive but it will be archived forever without the picture in the forum. I sure wish would update their forums to support graphics. Utopia Silver's Fight for Health Freedom A CureZone Special Report by Tony Isaacs For the past five years the Utopia Silver Supplement Company, has been waging a battle for health freedom against the giants of the State of Texas and the FDA - one which may have major implications for all of us regarding the freedom of access to natural health supplements. (Pictured to the left is Utopia Silver owner Ben Taylor, catching up on the latest news and sports while dining with the author at the famous Laurel Tree restaurant near Utopia, Texas) Much like the Alamo defenders in days gone by, this small Texas company and its supporters of health freedom are pitted against a corrupt giant determined to impose it's will and stifle freedom - and, just like the Alamo and the struggles that followed, the outcome may effect the freedom and future of millions. The conflict began as result of an FDA complaint five years ago that seeks to set a precedent for how much control the FDA has over all natural supplement companies and specifically the manufacture and sale of colloidal silver supplements. While the Texas Attorney General's office may try to contend that this is merely a state action "to insure the safety of the citizens of the State of Texas", the truth is that in Texas the state attorney generals are commissioned as officers of the FDA and there is no denying that the investigation into Utopia Silver began as a result of an FDA complaint. Therefore, this is really a Federal action by proxy and it has pitted Utopia Silver Supplements, a small supplement company and maker of colloidal silver which I consult to, against the Goliath of the FDA and the World Pharma lords the FDA serves. The persecution of Utopia Silver began five years or so ago, about the same time that the FDA began renewed targeting of colloidal silver because of it's effectiveness as a natural anti-biotic and rising popularity - and not coincidentally as a threat to the profits of Big Pharma and mainstream medicine - the FDA sent an email to the Texas Department of State Health Services (TDSHS ) essentially complaining that Utopia Silver was making medical claims which, in the eyes of the FDA turned their supplements into drugs. The TDSHS then brought the `complaint' to the Office of the Texas Attorney General (TAG). It has since been determined that among the targeted objections are: having `disease' terms such as cancer, hepatitis, diabetes, etc., posted anywhere on the website; having any `disease' terms in a search engine, and the posting of testimonials from customers who had used Utopia Silver products and defeated or improved any `disease' condition. Such restrictions appear to be clear violation of the First Amendment (Freedom of Speech) of the Constitution of the United States of America, especially the supposed prohibition against posting testimonials and speaking the truth about how people believe that dietary supplements have helped them. If the FDA is to have their way, they will stifle a supplement company's constitutionally protected freedom of speech to the extent that a person seeking a natural dietary supplement for any medical condition would not be able to go to any website which offered vitamins, minerals, natural supplements or any other alternatives to mainstream medicine and be able to find that term in a search of the site or mentioned anywhere in the site. Neither would they be able to find testimonials/ customer opinion from anyone who had used an alternative to FDA approved drugs and medical procedures. It is no secret that the FDA has targeted colloidal silver, which is a safe, effective, natural and inexpensive pathogen destroyer - four common traits of dietary supplements that represent competition to the approved drugs of Big Pharma and which frequently come under FDA attack. It is worth noting that that the FDA at one time had approved 34 different prescribed and OTC medications containing silver, but withdrew approval at about the same time antibiotics came on the market and superior methods of making colloidal silver commercially and at home were devised. The state hearings and likely trial are purportedly about licensing and inspections, but the FDA complaint was centered around the publication of customer testimonials which the FDA considers to be health claims that enable them to label Colloidal Silver and other Utopia Silver dietary supplements as drugs, and that too is part of the legal proceedings. Although the State of Texas maintains that they are acting alone, Utopia Silver has obtained copies of individual certificates which show that the state health and AG employees are also "Commissioned Officers" of the FDA - in apparent conflict with the separation of state and federal powers. It is Utopia Silver's contention that the actions to restrict them are unconstitutional restraints on the freedom of commercial speech (as borne out by previous Supreme Court decisions) and further contends that there is no constitutional jurisdiction for the state agencies, who are actually for-profit corporations (and they are listed as such by Dun and Bradstreet) disguised as constitutional entities. Utopia Silver believes, as do many others including legal scholars, that much of the country's court system and agencies operate outside the Constitution as corporate entities, having no real jurisdiction until defendents unwittingly submit to the jurisdiction by entering into a "contract" with the courts and agencies through such measures as appearing before a court, entering a motion, applying for a license, etc. Such scholars and observers point to the yellow fringed admiratly flags flying in most of our courts as clear symbols that the courts are not constitutional courts but rather administrative corporate courts operating under the "color of law". In the case against Utopia Silver, Taylor contends that there is no constitutionally mandated requirement for them to submit to what amounts to a commercial contract with the STATE OF TEXAS, a corporation acting under the color of law but not under the state or federal constitutions, and not in accordance with the God-given unalienable rights clearly declared by our forefathers when this country was founded. So far the Texas Attorney General's Office (TAG), has given no indication of making a fair or reasonable settlement - although in the Spring of 2007, the Assistant Texas Attorney General in charge of the case, Raul Noriega, first agreed and then reneged on an oral agreement that would have settled the case. When asked why, Noriega's response was that he was told by higher ups to proceed to trial despite the prior agreement to settle. Last summer, TDSHS employees paid three separate visits to the Utopia Silver offices and demanded with a bogus warrant to make inspections. The first time, two TDSHS officers paid a visit. One identified himself as an "inspector" and the other as an "investigator" . The owner of Utopia Silver, Ben Taylor, asked to see credentials so he could make copies. When they refused he ordered them to leave his offices. The next day they returned, accompanied by two Texas State Troopers, and said they had a warrant. When Taylor demanded to see a supporting affidavit, they refused, saying he could go to Austin if he wanted to see it and threatening to arrest Taylor if he did not comply. At that point, Taylor began placing a phone call to the local sheriff, and the TDSHS employees and State Troopers beat a hasty retreat. It was later determined that no properly executed affidavit ever existed. Two days later the TDSHS employees returned for a third time, just ahead of a Sheriff's Deputy. Taylor told them that since he was expecting the deputy to be there that morning to take statements about their previous visits, he would talk to them after he spoke to the deputy. He told the two TDSHS/FDA `officers' to wait outside until the deputy took statements from four employees who had witnessed what had transpired the previous days. "In the middle of the first statement," said Taylor, "the investigator came in asked to speak to the deputy. The deputy followed him to the lobby and I followed right behind. The TDSHS/FDA officer asked if I was going to comply with the warrant for an inspection. I again told him that I would talk to him when I finished with the deputy" "He then proceeded to say that since I was refusing his inspection," Taylor continued, "would I sign a document stating that I refused inspection, and I said no and they meekly left. After that, we finished giving our statements to the Sheriff's deputy and so far they have not been back." Since then, they continued to stonewall and refused to answer questions or otherwise attempt to make clarifications requested by Ben Taylor in accordance with the presiding judge's request for both sides to work together to try to work out an agreement. When Utopia Silver asked why they were being singled out for such actions and nothing was happening to similar companies, Assistant Attorney General Noriega said that it had been decided to make Utopia Silver a test case. After he made the statement, he was interrupted by the TDSHS officer, who, according to Taylor "proceeded to hem and haw on that point, obviously not comfortable with that statement having been made by the Assistant Attorney General." While the Texas Attorney General's office may try to contend that this is merely a state action "to insure the safety of the citizens of the State of Texas", the truth is that in Texas the state attorney generals are commissioned as officers of the FDA, something Taylor discovered during his defense of the case, and there is no denying that the investigation into Utopia Silver began as a result of an FDA complaint. Therefore, it appears clear that the entire case is really a Federal action by proxy. At a subsequent meeting before a judge in Austin, the judge threatened to set a trial date and tried to first intimidate and then coerce Ben Taylor to agree to a trial. Mr. Taylor refused to agree, since in doing so he would be in effect entering into a contract to agree to the court's jurisdiction. At one point a deputy was summoned with the clear implication that Mr. Taylor might be arrested if he failed to agree. Taylor, after various other tactics of intimidation by the judge, stated that, "The court might have the power to force me into a trial, but I will never agree to any a trial date and will attend only "in propria persona" (in one's own proper person) by "special appearance" in order to defend my God-given Rights." (Note: an appearance may be either general or special; the former is a simple unqualified or unrestricted submission to the jurisdiction of the court where the defendant waives defects of service, the latter is for the purpose of objecting to the sufficiency of service or the jurisdiction of the court over a defendant without submitting to such jurisdiction) . The judge later commented in his chambers to Mr. Taylor, "This system operates on fear, you have no fear and that's a problem for us." Instead of setting a trial, a hearing was set before a new judge to determine a date for interrogatories and discovery as well as inspections and sanctions - all of which are slippery grounds and another step towards a trial. At the subsequent hearing, Taylor again stated his objections to the jurisdiction and a new hearing was ordered to determine jurisdiction. When the new hearing was held and both sides presented their arguments, the judge rendered no immediate verdict and said she would take it under advisement and render a subsequent decision. As expected, when the judge made her decision she either dismissed or ignored all arguments by Taylor and co-defendant Adask, however she failed to do so pursuant to your Texas Rules of Civil Procedure, first sending an email of her ruling and then sending a letter of the ruling, without it being properly entered into the record as required. Some observers believe that such failure was yet another in a string of ploys intended to trap Taylor, Adask and other defendants into unwittingly submitting to the court's jurisdiction. Instead of accepting the improper notice, Taylor sent his own notice of insufficient service to the court along with a demand to cease and desist the fraudulent actions against them. Taylor's notice was sent on November 30th of last year - and since it was filed, a silence has descended upon the case. As Taylor reports, "We haven't heard anything from the Texas Attorney General or the courts since late November of last year (about 230 days). At that time, the "judge" issued (by email initially) a court order denying my and Al Adask's (Anti-Shyster publisher and Texas State Supreme Court Libertarian Party candidate) special appearance." (As noted previously, a "special appearance" is one in which is made without submitting to the jurisdiction of the court). Many who have followed the case feel that the FDA and their state servants bit off much more than they realized when they decided to take on Taylor and Utopia Silver. Those who know Taylor will tell you that he is a super patriot who deeply believes in freedom and liberty; one who has never backed down from a fight for what he believes is right and one who is determined to carry this fight to the very end no matter what the personal cost. Instead of finding a small company and a man they could bully, they have instead been fought to a standstill and have found themselves facing not only an opponent who refused to knuckle under, but also some very thorny issues they do not wish to face - such as the FDA commissioning state officers, the FDA and other such agencies' true constitutional powers, freedom of commercial speech, the issue of God-given unalienable rights and the entire corporate "color of law" administrative system of courts and agencies. This is the notice sent to the court by Ben Taylor: RETURN OF PURPORTED COURT ORDER FOR INSUFFICIENT PROCESS AND DEMAND THAT FRAUDULENT ACTIONS CEASE, attached below. C.M.R.R. 7003 0500 0000 9039 8675, dated November 30, 2007 Reference: Cause No. D-1-GV-04-000268 (GV 400268) IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF TRAVIS COUNTY 201ST JUDICIAL DISTRICT THE STATE OF TEXAS, et. al. Plaintifs, v. UTOPIA SILVER, INC., et. al. Defendants & Alleged Defendants RETURN OF PURPORTED COURT ORDER FOR INSUFFICIENT PROCESS AND DEMAND THAT FRAUDULENT ACTIONS CEASE NOTICE TO THE COURT: I, Ben Taylor, in my proper person (in propria persona) as a Man with certain God-given unalienable and non-negotiable Rights and by right of Special Visitation, hereby return the purported ORDER DENYING SPECIAL APPEARANCES, which was placed in a containment designated as Post Office Box 444, Utopia, a geographical location within the boundaries of The State of Texas on or about November 28, 2007 and addressed to a non-existent "Ben Taylor, pro se", as insufficient process pursuant to your Texas Rules of Civil Procedure, Part II, Section 1, Rule 15 & Rule 16, Writs and Process, to wit: TEXAS RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURE PART II - RULES OF PRACTICE IN DISTRICT AND COUNTY COURTS SECTION 1. GENERAL RULES RULE 15. WRITS AND PROCESS The style of all writs and process shall be "The State of Texas;" and unless otherwise specially provided by law or these rules every such writ and process shall be directed to any sheriff or any constable within the State of Texas, shall be made returnable on the Monday next after expiration of twenty days from the date of service thereof, and shall be dated and attested by the clerk with the seal of the court impressed thereon; and the date of issuance shall be noted thereon. RULE 16. SHALL ENDORSE ALL PROCESS Every officer or authorized person shall endorse on all process and precepts coming to his hand the day and hour on which he received them, the manner in which he executed them, and the time and place the process was served and shall sign the returns officially. Further, I demand that this court, Plaintiff's, and Plaintiff's attorneys immediately cease and desist with all of their fraudulent actions and attempts to entice, trick and otherwise force me into a jurisdiction that has no dominion or authority over me and my business, whether in the presence of my proper person or through the United States Postal Service, via electronic mail, or by any other means of communication. Without Prejudice, and with a Reservation of All God-given unalienable Rights, Within The organic State of Texas, The United States of America ____________ _________ __ Ben Taylor, a Man c/o P.O. Box 444 Utopia [78884] Within The organic State of Texas, The United States of America As Taylor reports, "This Notice seems to have short-circuited the Plaintiff's intention to set another court hearing date for Motions for a court ordered interrogatories and depositions under oath, as well as a restraining order to prevent my selling of colloidal silver (which they say is a drug because of customer testimonials) and silver generators (which they call a medical device). "Also filed by us into evidence was a number of other things, including, but not limited to, The Organic Laws of The United States of America, The Common Law (specifically The Herbalist Charter), The Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act of 1933, which limits the FDA's jurisdiction/ authority to Washington, DC and the territories (supported by the 18th and 21st Amendments) except in the regulating (organizing for efficient flow) of interstate commerce (transportation across State lines - there is no FDA authority to control the sale and manufacturing of anything that I can find.), the case of Lopez v. United States, Dun & Bradstreet documents showing that the Texas Courts and government `agencies' are "corporations for profit", the United States Code 28 Sec. 3002 showing that the "United States" is a federal corporation (which is a fictitious rather than an organic entity- our God-given Rights are recognized only by the organic United States of America)and numerous other Supreme cases that establish that God-given Rights cannot be statutorily converted into privileges." Has Taylor and health freedom triumphed over a system that is corrupt and unconstitutional? Time may tell otherwise, but so far the silence has been deafening, and, should the state choose to take further action, Taylor promised that he and his co-defendants will then "go on the offensive by filing suit against key officials (in their individual capacities) who have conspired to violate our Constitutionally secured Rights. Public servants/government officials lose their "official immunity" if they overstep their authority as granted (and limited) by the Organic Laws of the USA." - (Author's Note: Ben Taylor signed on as a CureZone sponsor last year. You can find his Utopia Silver Supplement Company in the sponsors box at the bottom of every CureZone page, and he has a special discount code for CureZone members - LR001 - which affords an automatic 15% discount on any product not on sale at the time.) Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 9. Re: Bonnie & Cody Progress/Tammatha Posted by: "evian793" evian793 evian_2000 Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:05 am (PDT) Good Mng. Tammatha, Thanks for the suggestion on the dog food. I will check them out next time I go to the pet store. We try to give Cody variety daily and yes the dog food industry has the masses buffaloed on feeding them the same thing daily not to mention all the grains they put in their foods (mostly commercial though). I am still livid about what China did to our pets last year! How many capsules of oleander do you give Weaver daily? Hugs, Bonnie & Cody ************ **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker. com! (http://www.tourtrac ker.com?NCID= aolmus0005000000 0112) Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 10. Ordering CS Posted by: "evian793" evian793 evian_2000 Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:14 am (PDT) Have to ask, is it better to order CS in bottles as opposed to plastic? Am thinking with the heat and all the plastic might not be as good for travel. Thanks, Bonnie & Cody ************ **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker. com! (http://www.tourtrac ker.com?NCID= aolmus0005000000 0112) Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity 13 New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Early Detection Know the symptoms of breast cancer. Moderator Central Join and receive produce updates. Need to Reply? Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. Create New Topic | Visit Your Group on the Web Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Members | Calendar MARKETPLACE You rock! Blockbuster wants to give you a complimentary trial of - Blockbuster Total Access. 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