Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Pain? From the cancer? Lilly what Stage is he in? Is he having any other discomfort, such as diarrhea? How is he handling the dosage? I would take all this into consideration before replying. I hesitate to answer this myself. Maybe Marc will be around to jump in and reply to you. In an event, Tony will be along in a little bit. But let me know. Hugs, oleander soup , " miao0888 " <miao0888 wrote: > > Tammatha, Martie and , > > Thanks so much for the response! > > It's much easier to handler it once we know what we're dealing with. > So I'm taking it as a good sign that S/OPC is working for my dad. BTW, > he also started to feel some more pain these couple of days, according > to Tony's article on Herxheimer reaction, my dad could either cutting > back on the dosage or frequency of use temporarily or continue the > S/OPC at the current dosage (but use pain reliever for the pain). > I guess the latter approach is better in my dad's case, right? > > Lilly > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 , My dad was having pain from the cancer before taking S/OPC. He was taking pain reliever 2 pills per day to control the pain. He started S/OPC on 7/1 with 1 capsule/day for the first 2 days then increased to 2 capsules/day for the next 2 days, he's been on 4 capsules/day since the 5th day. On 7/1, about half a day later after taking S/OPC, he started to feel tiredness and sleepiness which he never had before and on 7/7 he started to feel more pain that the pain reliever was failed to control. The doctor suggested he increase the pain reliever to 3 pill per day. I'm wondering if he should do that and continue the S/OPC at the current dosage or cutting back on the S/OPC dosage or frequency of use temporarily so that he doesn't have to take the extra pain reliever? Thanks so much, Lilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I would also like to ask about some itching I am having after my second dose today. It seems almost like hives, not too serious, but unable to ignore, and not much redness. Is it an immune response?--- On Wed, 7/9/08, May <luellamay129 wrote: May <luellamay129 Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleanderoleander soup Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 5:12 PM Pain? From the cancer? Lilly what Stage is he in? Is he having anyother discomfort, such as diarrhea? How is he handling the dosage? Iwould take all this into consideration before replying. I hesitate toanswer this myself. Maybe Marc will be around to jump in and reply toyou. In an event, Tony will be along in a little bit. But let me know.Hugs,oleander soup, "miao0888" <miao0888@.. .> wrote:>> Tammatha, Martie and ,>> Thanks so much for the response!>> It's much easier to handler it once we know what we're dealing with.> So I'm taking it as a good sign that S/OPC is working for my dad. BTW,> he also started to feel some more pain these couple of days, according> to Tony's article on Herxheimer reaction, my dad could either cutting> back on the dosage or frequency of use temporarily or continue the> S/OPC at the current dosage (but use pain reliever for the pain).> I guess the latter approach is better in my dad's case, right?>> Lilly> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Lilly and Arthur, These questions go past my knowledge of Sutherlandia OPC, so I am going to let Marc and/or Tony reply. Hugs, oleander soup , " miao0888 " <miao0888 wrote: > > , > > My dad was having pain from the cancer before taking S/OPC. He was > taking pain reliever 2 pills per day to control the pain. > > He started S/OPC on 7/1 with 1 capsule/day for the first 2 days then > increased to 2 capsules/day for the next 2 days, he's been on 4 > capsules/day since the 5th day. > > On 7/1, about half a day later after taking S/OPC, he started to feel > tiredness and sleepiness which he never had before and on 7/7 he > started to feel more pain that the pain reliever was failed to control. > > The doctor suggested he increase the pain reliever to 3 pill per day. > I'm wondering if he should do that and continue the S/OPC at the > current dosage or cutting back on the S/OPC dosage or frequency of use > temporarily so that he doesn't have to take the extra pain reliever? > > Thanks so much, > Lilly > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 The Herxheimer Effect is a common one where you feel worse before you feel better. In the case of oleander it is a very likely sign that it is working - and working at the site of the cancer itself as the cancer cells are being killed and dying off. Sleepiness is usually a good sign - the body does most of it's healing and regeneration during the state of sleeping. Since oleander is a tremendous immune booster and a great part of its effectiveness comes from helping turn the body's own immune system on to fight cancer, the sleepiness could well be a sign that the body is beginning to heal itself. Most people who take oleander and experience increased pain eventually actually feel much less pain - often to the point of not having to rely on pain medication at all. If it were me, I would increase the pain medication temporarily if it were more than I could bear and then try cutting back in a few days (and eventually cut back even further, perhaps all the way to zero). oleander soup , " miao0888 " <miao0888 wrote: > > , > > My dad was having pain from the cancer before taking S/OPC. He was > taking pain reliever 2 pills per day to control the pain. > > He started S/OPC on 7/1 with 1 capsule/day for the first 2 days then > increased to 2 capsules/day for the next 2 days, he's been on 4 > capsules/day since the 5th day. > > On 7/1, about half a day later after taking S/OPC, he started to feel > tiredness and sleepiness which he never had before and on 7/7 he > started to feel more pain that the pain reliever was failed to control. > > The doctor suggested he increase the pain reliever to 3 pill per day. > I'm wondering if he should do that and continue the S/OPC at the > current dosage or cutting back on the S/OPC dosage or frequency of use > temporarily so that he doesn't have to take the extra pain reliever? > > Thanks so much, > Lilly > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Hi , I have noticed the posts about the Sutherlandia OPC side effects. Here are my comments: A few thousand people have already taken the S/OPC and thwre have not been a single serious problem. One person accidentally took half of the 500ml bottle at one go and landed up in hospital with heart palpitations. The next day she was ok. These are normal side effects, especially during the first 10 days: (1) Slight nausea (2) Joint pains (3) Pain at the tumor site (4) Slight stomach pain (5) Some diarrhea during the first 2 weeks or when the daily amount is increased (6) Some people get a slight rash on the stomach, back, neck, or upper body (7) Some tiredness during the first 10 - 14 days. Most of the above reactions are detox symptoms and one does not have to worry about them. Most of them will go away after a short while and, if not, then one just have to cut back on the dosage for a while as the body gets used to the mixture. After the first few days, one should start to feel more energetic and, form the feedback I get, men in their fifties and later start to feel (and act) more virile. HIV/AIDS patients should see their CD4 counts go up within 14 - 28 days. Cancer patients should see their cancer markers go down within 30 - 60 days PROVIDED they do a few other things at the same time as taking the S/OPC. These other things are: (1) Cut back on ALL animal proteins (meat, milk, eggs, yoghurt, fish). (2) Get rid of stressful situations in your life (3) Put the traumatic situations in your past behind you otherwise they will surely kill you. (4) Go to bed by 10:30 pm (5) Drink enough water (6 - 8 glasses per day). (6) Eat lots of fresh fruit as well as vegetables. (7) Get at least half an hour of direct sun per day (8) Do the liver cleanse below 5-day liver cleanse. It is best to have day 4 on a Saturday or at a time when you are staying at home. Day 1: Drink 1 liter (4 cups) of apple juice during the day. Eat as normal otherwise.Day 2: Drink another liter of apple juice. Eat normallyDay 3: Drink a 3rd liter of apple juice. Eat normallyDay 4: Do not take any sold food after lunch time 6pm - Take one level tablespoon of Epsom salt in a glass of water8pm - Take another tablespoon of Epsom salt in a glass of water. You may find that you already have to take a trip to the toilet before the 8pm Epsom salt. 10pm - Mix one half glass of olive oil and three quarter glass of freshly squeezed grape fruit juice by shaking it very well in a jar with a lid so that it mixes well and immediately get into bed after drinking the mixture. You will probably make more than one trip to the toilet during the night as well as during the next day. Day 5: 6am: Take another tablespoon of Epsom salt in a glass of water 8am: Take one final tablespoon of Epsom salt in a glass of water.You will find that many gallstones from the liver will be passed and one will notice them in the toilet. They will vary in size from about pin head size to 10mm. Gallstones in the liver are a major cause of many health problems.The above liver cleanse can be repeated every month until one finds that for two months in succession no more gallstones are passed. The liver will then be clean.(You can read about this in much more detail in Andreas Moritz's book ' "The liver and gallbladder miracle cleanse" which you can download from his site at www.ener-chi.com). The suggested dosages for the liquid and capsules are as follows: Sutherlandia OPC capsules Start off by taking 1 capsule with breakfast for 2 days. Increase dosage to 1 capsule twice per day (2 caps total) with breakfast and lunch for a further 2 days. For more serious ailments increase dosage to 2 capsules twice per day (4 caps total) with breakfast and lunch for 1 month. If no improvement, increase dosage to 3 capsules twice per day (6 caps total) with breakfast and lunch for 2 months. Sutherlandia OPC (Liquid) Start off by taking 5ml (1 teaspoon) once per day during mealtime for 2 days. Increase dosage to 5 ml twice per day with meals for a further 2 days. Increase dosage to 5ml three times per day with meals for 1 month. If no improvement, increase dosage to 10ml three times per day for 2 months. If still no response, the dosage can be increased to 45ml per day (3 x 15ml) The mixture is prepared using a lot of heat and it is not affected in any way by the 2 weeks' travel by air. Although I put the expiry date as 18 - 24 months, I have found that 4 year old batches that I give to welfare organizations still give very good results. I trust the above info will allay the concerns of some people using the mixture. Regards, Marc Swanepoel Johannesburg - May oleander soup Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:10 AM Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander Lilly and Arthur,These questions go past my knowledge of Sutherlandia OPC, so I am going to let Marc and/or Tony reply.Hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 I have been having slight headaches off and on for weeks and got a sore throat a couple of weeks ago. I think it might be letting off. Also part way down my back aches some of the time. I figured the backache and sorethroat probably have to do with my breast cancer spreading to my lungs. My own diagnosis. Do you think this may be the herxheimer reaction? It has been going on for weeks. I also get ringing in my ears once in a while. Thanks, Robyn--- On Wed, 7/9/08, Tony wrote: Tony Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleanderoleander soup Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 10:46 PM The Herxheimer Effect is a common one where you feel worse before youfeel better. In the case of oleander it is a very likely sign that itis working - and working at the site of the cancer itself as thecancer cells are being killed and dying off.Sleepiness is usually a good sign - the body does most of it's healingand regeneration during the state of sleeping. Since oleander is atremendous immune booster and a great part of its effectiveness comesfrom helping turn the body's own immune system on to fight cancer, thesleepiness could well be a sign that the body is beginning to heal itself.Most people who take oleander and experience increased pain eventuallyactually feel much less pain - often to the point of not having torely on pain medication at all.If it were me, I would increase the pain medication temporarily if itwere more than I could bear and then try cutting back in a few days(and eventually cut back even further, perhaps all the way to zero).Tonyoleander soup, "miao0888" <miao0888@.. .> wrote:>> ,> > My dad was having pain from the cancer before taking S/OPC. He was > taking pain reliever 2 pills per day to control the pain. > > He started S/OPC on 7/1 with 1 capsule/day for the first 2 days then > increased to 2 capsules/day for the next 2 days, he's been on 4 > capsules/day since the 5th day. > > On 7/1, about half a day later after taking S/OPC, he started to feel > tiredness and sleepiness which he never had before and on 7/7 he > started to feel more pain that the pain reliever was failed to control.> > The doctor suggested he increase the pain reliever to 3 pill per day. > I'm wondering if he should do that and continue the S/OPC at the > current dosage or cutting back on the S/OPC dosage or frequency of use > temporarily so that he doesn't have to take the extra pain reliever?> > Thanks so much,> Lilly> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 It might be just as you surmise. Try gargling with colloidal silver and then swallowing it for your throat. Echinacea might help with your throat as well - it has with mine in the past. I hope you are also taking Inositol/IP6 - and if so be sure to take it at least an hour or more apart from the colloidal silver. oleander soup , robyn howell <robynehowell wrote: > > I have been having slight headaches off and on for weeks and got a sore throat a couple of weeks ago. I think it might be letting off. Also part way down my back aches some of the time. I figured the backache and sorethroat probably have to do with my breast cancer spreading to my lungs. My own diagnosis. Do you think this may be the herxheimer reaction? It has been going on for weeks. I also get ringing in my ears once in a while. > Thanks, Robyn > > --- On Wed, 7/9/08, Tony wrote: > > Tony > Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander > oleander soup > Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 10:46 PM The Herxheimer Effect is a common one where you feel worse before you > feel better. In the case of oleander it is a very likely sign that it > is working - and working at the site of the cancer itself as the > cancer cells are being killed and dying off. > > Sleepiness is usually a good sign - the body does most of it's healing > and regeneration during the state of sleeping. Since oleander is a > tremendous immune booster and a great part of its effectiveness comes > from helping turn the body's own immune system on to fight cancer, the > sleepiness could well be a sign that the body is beginning to heal itself. > > Most people who take oleander and experience increased pain eventually > actually feel much less pain - often to the point of not having to > rely on pain medication at all. > > If it were me, I would increase the pain medication temporarily if it > were more than I could bear and then try cutting back in a few days > (and eventually cut back even further, perhaps all the way to zero). > > > > oleander soup, " miao0888 " <miao0888@ .> wrote: > > > > , > > > > My dad was having pain from the cancer before taking S/OPC. He was > > taking pain reliever 2 pills per day to control the pain. > > > > He started S/OPC on 7/1 with 1 capsule/day for the first 2 days then > > increased to 2 capsules/day for the next 2 days, he's been on 4 > > capsules/day since the 5th day. > > > > On 7/1, about half a day later after taking S/OPC, he started to feel > > tiredness and sleepiness which he never had before and on 7/7 he > > started to feel more pain that the pain reliever was failed to control. > > > > The doctor suggested he increase the pain reliever to 3 pill per day. > > I'm wondering if he should do that and continue the S/OPC at the > > current dosage or cutting back on the S/OPC dosage or frequency of use > > temporarily so that he doesn't have to take the extra pain reliever? > > > > Thanks so much, > > Lilly > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Tony, Where is the best place to buy colloidal silver? Thanks, Robyn--- On Thu, 7/10/08, Tony wrote: Tony Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleanderoleander soup Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 10:36 AM It might be just as you surmise. Try gargling with colloidal silverand then swallowing it for your throat. Echinacea might help withyour throat as well - it has with mine in the past. I hope you arealso taking Inositol/IP6 - and if so be sure to take it at least anhour or more apart from the colloidal silver.Tonyoleander soup, robyn howell <robynehowell@ ...>wrote:>> I have been having slight headaches off and on for weeks and got asore throat a couple of weeks ago. I think it might be letting off.Also part way down my back aches some of the time. I figured thebackache and sorethroat probably have to do with my breast cancerspreading to my lungs. My own diagnosis. Do you think this may be theherxheimer reaction? It has been going on for weeks. I also getringing in my ears once in a while.> Thanks, Robyn> > --- On Wed, 7/9/08, Tony @. ..> wrote:> > Tony @. ..>> Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander> oleander soup> Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 10:46 PM> > > > > > > The Herxheimer Effect is a common one where you feel worse before you> feel better. In the case of oleander it is a very likely sign that it> is working - and working at the site of the cancer itself as the> cancer cells are being killed and dying off.> > Sleepiness is usually a good sign - the body does most of it's healing> and regeneration during the state of sleeping. Since oleander is a> tremendous immune booster and a great part of its effectiveness comes> from helping turn the body's own immune system on to fight cancer, the> sleepiness could well be a sign that the body is beginning to healitself.> > Most people who take oleander and experience increased pain eventually> actually feel much less pain - often to the point of not having to> rely on pain medication at all.> > If it were me, I would increase the pain medication temporarily if it> were more than I could bear and then try cutting back in a few days> (and eventually cut back even further, perhaps all the way to zero).> > Tony> > oleander soup, "miao0888" <miao0888@ .> wrote:> >> > ,> > > > My dad was having pain from the cancer before taking S/OPC. He was > > taking pain reliever 2 pills per day to control the pain. > > > > He started S/OPC on 7/1 with 1 capsule/day for the first 2 days then > > increased to 2 capsules/day for the next 2 days, he's been on 4 > > capsules/day since the 5th day. > > > > On 7/1, about half a day later after taking S/OPC, he started to feel > > tiredness and sleepiness which he never had before and on 7/7 he > > started to feel more pain that the pain reliever was failed tocontrol.> > > > The doctor suggested he increase the pain reliever to 3 pill per day. > > I'm wondering if he should do that and continue the S/OPC at the > > current dosage or cutting back on the S/OPC dosage or frequency ofuse > > temporarily so that he doesn't have to take the extra pain reliever?> > > > Thanks so much,> > Lilly> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Dear Marc, Thank you for your email to us all. I wanted to let you know that my dog Weaver's arthritis is already noticably better, it will probably take longer, I'm sure, as you said with the Cushings. I'm truly hopeful though. My Holistic Vet for Weaver is interested in the S/OPC product and I guided him to your site. I have not had any of these side effects you mentioned, thankfully. Most likely because of all the detoxing I have done over the last two years. Colon Hydrotherapy, raw vegan diet, and many liver/gallbladder flushes as you recommend among many other things that have obviously helped me with my cancer diagnosis. Thank you for a wonderful product, I look forward to more results! Tammatha - Marc oleander soup Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:16 AM Re: Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander Hi , I have noticed the posts about the Sutherlandia OPC side effects. Here are my comments: A few thousand people have already taken the S/OPC and thwre have not been a single serious problem. One person accidentally took half of the 500ml bottle at one go and landed up in hospital with heart palpitations. The next day she was ok. These are normal side effects, especially during the first 10 days: (1) Slight nausea (2) Joint pains (3) Pain at the tumor site (4) Slight stomach pain (5) Some diarrhea during the first 2 weeks or when the daily amount is increased (6) Some people get a slight rash on the stomach, back, neck, or upper body (7) Some tiredness during the first 10 - 14 days. Most of the above reactions are detox symptoms and one does not have to worry about them. Most of them will go away after a short while and, if not, then one just have to cut back on the dosage for a while as the body gets used to the mixture. After the first few days, one should start to feel more energetic and, form the feedback I get, men in their fifties and later start to feel (and act) more virile. HIV/AIDS patients should see their CD4 counts go up within 14 - 28 days. Cancer patients should see their cancer markers go down within 30 - 60 days PROVIDED they do a few other things at the same time as taking the S/OPC. These other things are: (1) Cut back on ALL animal proteins (meat, milk, eggs, yoghurt, fish). (2) Get rid of stressful situations in your life (3) Put the traumatic situations in your past behind you otherwise they will surely kill you. (4) Go to bed by 10:30 pm (5) Drink enough water (6 - 8 glasses per day). (6) Eat lots of fresh fruit as well as vegetables. (7) Get at least half an hour of direct sun per day (8) Do the liver cleanse below 5-day liver cleanse. It is best to have day 4 on a Saturday or at a time when you are staying at home. Day 1: Drink 1 liter (4 cups) of apple juice during the day. Eat as normal otherwise.Day 2: Drink another liter of apple juice. Eat normallyDay 3: Drink a 3rd liter of apple juice. Eat normallyDay 4: Do not take any sold food after lunch time 6pm - Take one level tablespoon of Epsom salt in a glass of water8pm - Take another tablespoon of Epsom salt in a glass of water. You may find that you already have to take a trip to the toilet before the 8pm Epsom salt. 10pm - Mix one half glass of olive oil and three quarter glass of freshly squeezed grape fruit juice by shaking it very well in a jar with a lid so that it mixes well and immediately get into bed after drinking the mixture. You will probably make more than one trip to the toilet during the night as well as during the next day. Day 5: 6am: Take another tablespoon of Epsom salt in a glass of water 8am: Take one final tablespoon of Epsom salt in a glass of water.You will find that many gallstones from the liver will be passed and one will notice them in the toilet. They will vary in size from about pin head size to 10mm. Gallstones in the liver are a major cause of many health problems.The above liver cleanse can be repeated every month until one finds that for two months in succession no more gallstones are passed. The liver will then be clean.(You can read about this in much more detail in Andreas Moritz's book ' "The liver and gallbladder miracle cleanse" which you can download from his site at www.ener-chi.com). The suggested dosages for the liquid and capsules are as follows: Sutherlandia OPC capsules Start off by taking 1 capsule with breakfast for 2 days. Increase dosage to 1 capsule twice per day (2 caps total) with breakfast and lunch for a further 2 days. For more serious ailments increase dosage to 2 capsules twice per day (4 caps total) with breakfast and lunch for 1 month. If no improvement, increase dosage to 3 capsules twice per day (6 caps total) with breakfast and lunch for 2 months. Sutherlandia OPC (Liquid) Start off by taking 5ml (1 teaspoon) once per day during mealtime for 2 days. Increase dosage to 5 ml twice per day with meals for a further 2 days. Increase dosage to 5ml three times per day with meals for 1 month. If no improvement, increase dosage to 10ml three times per day for 2 months. If still no response, the dosage can be increased to 45ml per day (3 x 15ml) The mixture is prepared using a lot of heat and it is not affected in any way by the 2 weeks' travel by air. Although I put the expiry date as 18 - 24 months, I have found that 4 year old batches that I give to welfare organizations still give very good results. I trust the above info will allay the concerns of some people using the mixture. Regards, Marc Swanepoel Johannesburg - May oleander soup Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:10 AM Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander Lilly and Arthur,These questions go past my knowledge of Sutherlandia OPC, so I am going to let Marc and/or Tony reply.Hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 UHMMMMMMM, I think my itching may be from chiggers, or some kind of "no-see-ums" Lot of that going around this summer. Scratch, Scratch--- On Thu, 7/10/08, Tammatha <tammatha wrote: Tammatha <tammathaRe: Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleanderoleander soup Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 5:31 PM Dear Marc, Thank you for your email to us all. I wanted to let you know that my dog Weaver's arthritis is already noticably better, it will probably take longer, I'm sure, as you said with the Cushings. I'm truly hopeful though. My Holistic Vet for Weaver is interested in the S/OPC product and I guided him to your site. I have not had any of these side effects you mentioned, thankfully. Most likely because of all the detoxing I have done over the last two years. Colon Hydrotherapy, raw vegan diet, and many liver/gallbladder flushes as you recommend among many other things that have obviously helped me with my cancer diagnosis. Thank you for a wonderful product, I look forward to more results! Tammatha - Marc oleander soup Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:16 AM Re: Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander Hi , I have noticed the posts about the Sutherlandia OPC side effects. Here are my comments: A few thousand people have already taken the S/OPC and thwre have not been a single serious problem. One person accidentally took half of the 500ml bottle at one go and landed up in hospital with heart palpitations. The next day she was ok. These are normal side effects, especially during the first 10 days: (1) Slight nausea (2) Joint pains (3) Pain at the tumor site (4) Slight stomach pain (5) Some diarrhea during the first 2 weeks or when the daily amount is increased (6) Some people get a slight rash on the stomach, back, neck, or upper body (7) Some tiredness during the first 10 - 14 days. Most of the above reactions are detox symptoms and one does not have to worry about them. Most of them will go away after a short while and, if not, then one just have to cut back on the dosage for a while as the body gets used to the mixture. After the first few days, one should start to feel more energetic and, form the feedback I get, men in their fifties and later start to feel (and act) more virile. HIV/AIDS patients should see their CD4 counts go up within 14 - 28 days. Cancer patients should see their cancer markers go down within 30 - 60 days PROVIDED they do a few other things at the same time as taking the S/OPC. These other things are: (1) Cut back on ALL animal proteins (meat, milk, eggs, yoghurt, fish). (2) Get rid of stressful situations in your life (3) Put the traumatic situations in your past behind you otherwise they will surely kill you. (4) Go to bed by 10:30 pm (5) Drink enough water (6 - 8 glasses per day). (6) Eat lots of fresh fruit as well as vegetables. (7) Get at least half an hour of direct sun per day (8) Do the liver cleanse below 5-day liver cleanse. It is best to have day 4 on a Saturday or at a time when you are staying at home. Day 1: Drink 1 liter (4 cups) of apple juice during the day. Eat as normal otherwise.Day 2: Drink another liter of apple juice. Eat normallyDay 3: Drink a 3rd liter of apple juice. Eat normallyDay 4: Do not take any sold food after lunch time 6pm - Take one level tablespoon of Epsom salt in a glass of water8pm - Take another tablespoon of Epsom salt in a glass of water. You may find that you already have to take a trip to the toilet before the 8pm Epsom salt. 10pm - Mix one half glass of olive oil and three quarter glass of freshly squeezed grape fruit juice by shaking it very well in a jar with a lid so that it mixes well and immediately get into bed after drinking the mixture. You will probably make more than one trip to the toilet during the night as well as during the next day. Day 5: 6am: Take another tablespoon of Epsom salt in a glass of water 8am: Take one final tablespoon of Epsom salt in a glass of water.You will find that many gallstones from the liver will be passed and one will notice them in the toilet. They will vary in size from about pin head size to 10mm. Gallstones in the liver are a major cause of many health problems.The above liver cleanse can be repeated every month until one finds that for two months in succession no more gallstones are passed. The liver will then be clean.(You can read about this in much more detail in Andreas Moritz's book ' "The liver and gallbladder miracle cleanse" which you can download from his site at www.ener-chi. com). The suggested dosages for the liquid and capsules are as follows: Sutherlandia OPC capsules Start off by taking 1 capsule with breakfast for 2 days. Increase dosage to 1 capsule twice per day (2 caps total) with breakfast and lunch for a further 2 days. For more serious ailments increase dosage to 2 capsules twice per day (4 caps total) with breakfast and lunch for 1 month. If no improvement, increase dosage to 3 capsules twice per day (6 caps total) with breakfast and lunch for 2 months. Sutherlandia OPC (Liquid) Start off by taking 5ml (1 teaspoon) once per day during mealtime for 2 days. Increase dosage to 5 ml twice per day with meals for a further 2 days. Increase dosage to 5ml three times per day with meals for 1 month. If no improvement, increase dosage to 10ml three times per day for 2 months. If still no response, the dosage can be increased to 45ml per day (3 x 15ml) The mixture is prepared using a lot of heat and it is not affected in any way by the 2 weeks' travel by air. Although I put the expiry date as 18 - 24 months, I have found that 4 year old batches that I give to welfare organizations still give very good results. I trust the above info will allay the concerns of some people using the mixture. Regards, Marc Swanepoel Johannesburg - May oleander soup Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:10 AM Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander Lilly and Arthur,These questions go past my knowledge of Sutherlandia OPC, so I am going to let Marc and/or Tony reply.Hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Bless your heart Arthur, I had a summer like that. It was 2004. Yes, chiggers can me memorable events. Hugs, oleander soup , arthur rambo <alquitit wrote: > > UHMMMMMMM, I think my itching may be from chiggers, or some kind of " no-see-ums " > Lot of that going around this summer. Scratch, Scratch > > --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Tammatha tammatha wrote: > > Tammatha tammatha > Re: Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander > oleander soup > Thursday, July 10, 2008, 5:31 PM > Dear Marc, > Thank you for your email to us all. I wanted to let you know that my dog Weaver's arthritis is already noticably better, it will probably take longer, I'm sure, as you said with the Cushings. I'm truly hopeful though. My Holistic Vet for Weaver is interested in the S/OPC product and I guided him to your site. I have not had any of these side effects you mentioned, thankfully. Most likely because of all the detoxing I have done over the last two years. Colon Hydrotherapy, raw vegan diet, and many liver/gallbladder flushes as you recommend among many other things that have obviously helped me with my cancer diagnosis. Thank you for a wonderful product, I look forward to more results! > > Tammatha > > - > Marc > oleander soup > Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:16 AM > Re: Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander > > > > > Hi , > > I have noticed the posts about the Sutherlandia OPC side effects. Here are my comments: > A few thousand people have already taken the S/OPC and thwre have not been a single serious problem. One person accidentally took half of the 500ml bottle at one go and landed up in hospital with heart palpitations. The next day she was ok. > These are normal side effects, especially during the first 10 days: > (1) Slight nausea > (2) Joint pains > (3) Pain at the tumor site > (4) Slight stomach pain > (5) Some diarrhea during the first 2 weeks or when the daily amount is increased > (6) Some people get a slight rash on the stomach, back, neck, or upper body > (7) Some tiredness during the first 10 - 14 days. > > Most of the above reactions are detox symptoms and one does not have to worry about them. Most of them will go away after a short while and, if not, then one just have to cut back on the dosage for a while as the body gets used to the mixture. After the first few days, one should start to feel more energetic and, form the feedback I get, men in their fifties and later start to feel (and act) more virile. HIV/AIDS patients should see their CD4 counts go up within 14 - 28 days. Cancer patients should see their cancer markers go down within 30 - 60 days PROVIDED they do a few other things at the same time as taking the S/OPC. These other things are: > (1) Cut back on ALL animal proteins (meat, milk, eggs, yoghurt, fish). > (2) Get rid of stressful situations in your life > (3) Put the traumatic situations in your past behind you otherwise they will surely kill you. > (4) Go to bed by 10:30 pm > (5) Drink enough water (6 - 8 glasses per day). > (6) Eat lots of fresh fruit as well as vegetables. > (7) Get at least half an hour of direct sun per day > (8) Do the liver cleanse below > > > 5-day liver cleanse. > It is best to have day 4 on a Saturday or at a time when you are staying at home. > > Day 1: Drink 1 liter (4 cups) of apple juice during the day. Eat as normal otherwise. > Day 2: Drink another liter of apple juice. Eat normally > Day 3: Drink a 3rd liter of apple juice. Eat normally > Day 4: Do not take any sold food after lunch time > 6pm - Take one level tablespoon of Epsom salt in a glass of water > 8pm - Take another tablespoon of Epsom salt in a glass of water. You may find > that you already have to take a trip to the toilet before the 8pm Epsom salt. > 10pm - Mix one half glass of olive oil and three quarter glass of freshly squeezed > grape fruit juice by shaking it very well in a jar with a lid so that it mixes well and immediately get into bed after drinking the mixture. You will probably make more than one trip to the toilet during the night as well as during the next day. > Day 5: 6am: Take another tablespoon of Epsom salt in a glass of water > 8am: Take one final tablespoon of Epsom salt in a glass of water. > > You will find that many gallstones from the liver will be passed and one will notice them in the toilet. They will vary in size from about pin head size to 10mm. Gallstones in the liver are a major cause of many health problems. > > The above liver cleanse can be repeated every month until one finds that for two months in succession no more gallstones are passed. The liver will then be clean. > (You can read about this in much more detail in Andreas Moritz's book ' " The liver and gallbladder miracle cleanse " which you can download from his site at www.ener-chi. com). > > The suggested dosages for the liquid and capsules are as follows: > Sutherlandia OPC capsules > Start off by taking 1 capsule with breakfast for 2 days. > Increase dosage to 1 capsule twice per day (2 caps total) with breakfast and lunch for a further 2 days. > For more serious ailments increase dosage to 2 capsules twice per day (4 caps total) with breakfast and lunch for 1 month. > If no improvement, increase dosage to 3 capsules twice per day (6 caps total) with breakfast and lunch for 2 months. > Sutherlandia OPC (Liquid) > Start off by taking 5ml (1 teaspoon) once per day during mealtime for 2 days. > Increase dosage to 5 ml twice per day with meals for a further 2 days. > Increase dosage to 5ml three times per day with meals for 1 month. > If no improvement, increase dosage to 10ml three times per day for 2 months. > If still no response, the dosage can be increased to 45ml per day (3 x 15ml) > > The mixture is prepared using a lot of heat and it is not affected in any way by the 2 weeks' travel by air. Although I put the expiry date as 18 - 24 months, I have found that 4 year old batches that I give to welfare organizations still give very good results. > > I trust the above info will allay the concerns of some people using the mixture. > > Regards, > > Marc Swanepoel > Johannesburg > > > > > - > May > oleander soup > Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:10 AM > Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander > > > > Lilly and Arthur, > > These questions go past my knowledge of Sutherlandia OPC, so I am > going to let Marc and/or Tony reply. > > Hugs, > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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