Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Mike, Are you a nutritionist? You seem to have a wealth of information and am curious if you are a nutritionist or doctor? thanks, Bonnie & Cody Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Doctor Mike, who has many years of experience as a physician and biology professor, does indeed have a wealth of information and I am enjoying reading it. Just my two cents to say thanks for sharing with us, Mike. oleander soup , evian793 wrote: > > Mike, > > Are you a nutritionist? You seem to have a wealth of information and am > curious if you are a nutritionist or doctor? > > thanks, > > Bonnie & Cody > > > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Since I am Mike, Dr. Michael L. Goebel, I am responding. I am an Applied Clinical Nutritionist and a Doctor. Alkaline diets are very beneficial, if you can stick to them. However, most people do not. I watched a Kangen water presentation last night. Kangen water was at pH 9.5. Drinking one once of Coca Cola requires drinking 20 ounces of even this highly alkaline water to neutralize! So most people will not be disciplined enough to do themselves much good. Consider an alkaline water machine and a diet high in raw vegetables and fruits, and you might make some meaningful changes.Michael L. Goebel, DC, ACN--- On Thu, 6/19/08, evian793 <evian793 wrote:evian793 <evian793Re: The Ph Miracle Diet/Mikeoleander soup Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 7:39 AM Mike, Are you a nutritionist? You seem to have a wealth of information and am curious if you are a nutritionist or doctor? thanks, Bonnie & Cody Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Um, isn't that what I said? I've been reading about ph for a long time. It does make a huge difference in health if you can keep the ph levels up. Master's Miracle, now called something else, can be used to raise the body ph. I attended a lecture by a chiropractor who rarely does chiropractic work because he was having so much success curing people of "incurable things". He did not diagnose anything. He received patients whose doctors had told them to go home and get their things in order--so he had the doctors reports, not his own. He put people on a 40 minute a day soak in MM soap and neutralizer, along with drinking some MM neutralizer, and taking them off the acidic things and sugar. Most people totally recovered. He had them keep track of their saliva and urine ph as a measure of their health. The MM restores magnesium, potassium and calcium in the right balance in the body, raises ph and so reverses many illnesses. So diet, high ph water, things like MM or Miracle 2 or magnesium oil all raise ph and make a big difference in health. Samala, Renee ---- I watched a Kangen water presentation last night. Kangen water was at pH 9.5. Drinking one once of Coca Cola requires drinking 20 ounces of even this highly alkaline water to neutralize! So most people will not be disciplined enough to do themselves much good. Consider an alkaline water machine and a diet high in raw vegetables and fruits, and you might make some meaningful changes.Michael L. Goebel, DC, ACN--- On Thu, 6/19/08, evian793 <evian793 wrote: evian793 <evian793Re: The Ph Miracle Diet/Mikeoleander soup Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 7:39 AM Mike, Are you a nutritionist? You seem to have a wealth of information and am curious if you are a nutritionist or doctor? thanks, Bonnie & Cody Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Please define and include links where to buy for MM, MIRACLE 2 or magnesium.Thank you. Michelle - Gaiacita oleander soup Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:24 AM Re: The Ph Miracle Diet/Mike Um, isn't that what I said? I've been reading about ph for a long time. It does make a huge difference in health if you can keep the ph levels up. Master's Miracle, now called something else, can be used to raise the body ph. I attended a lecture by a chiropractor who rarely does chiropractic work because he was having so much success curing people of "incurable things". He did not diagnose anything. He received patients whose doctors had told them to go home and get their things in order--so he had the doctors reports, not his own. He put people on a 40 minute a day soak in MM soap and neutralizer, along with drinking some MM neutralizer, and taking them off the acidic things and sugar. Most people totally recovered. He had them keep track of their saliva and urine ph as a measure of their health. The MM restores magnesium, potassium and calcium in the right balance in the body, raises ph and so reverses many illnesses. So diet, high ph water, things like MM or Miracle 2 or magnesium oil all raise ph and make a big difference in health. Samala, Renee ---- I watched a Kangen water presentation last night. Kangen water was at pH 9.5. Drinking one once of Coca Cola requires drinking 20 ounces of even this highly alkaline water to neutralize! So most people will not be disciplined enough to do themselves much good. Consider an alkaline water machine and a diet high in raw vegetables and fruits, and you might make some meaningful changes.Michael L. Goebel, DC, ACN--- On Thu, 6/19/08, evian793 (AT) aol (DOT) com <evian793 (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: evian793 (AT) aol (DOT) com <evian793 (AT) aol (DOT) com>Re: The Ph Miracle Diet/Mikeoleander soup Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 7:39 AM Mike, Are you a nutritionist? You seem to have a wealth of information and am curious if you are a nutritionist or doctor? thanks, Bonnie & Cody Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Hello Loretta, Do you feel the magnesium oil would work for my husband who has bone cancer in the shoulder and also a torn tendon? He is in terrible pain and of course the doctors give him vicadin, percoset, darvocet and none are helping him and I am aware of the problems they can cause, but he is desperate. He is presently having radiation of the shoulder. I do not have the oleander yet, but have LDN, cell Forte and am juicing greens, plus several vitamins and 4 oz of CS per day. I appreciate any help I can get for him. Thank you everyone, MarvaGas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Master's Miracle (now called Nature Rich I think) and Miracle 2 are basically the same product. They consist mostly of magnesium, potassium and calcium--mostly magnesium. The Miracle 2 products are also made with prayer. The MM product is more lab controlled in quality. Some people like one, some the other. You can Google either one and come up with a bunch of people that sell. MM is MLM mostly, though a few sell independently. M2 is mostly independent. The story is that one man had a vision and was given the M2 formula, which he made himself for a long time and sold. Then a guy came along and went into partnership with him and he had a MLM background, so started selling the M2 as MLM, which the first guy didn't like, so they separated. The second guy took the formula and went on to do a HUGE business selling it as MLM. The chiro that talked to us used the MM product, but I suppose the M2 would do the same thing. I can give the full protocol, which is simple actually, if you are interested. The magnesium oil is sold at www.globallight.net It use to be that people used this one almost exclusively because Dr. Sirus recommended it. Then he found a mag oil that was more pure than the global light one, and as he is for very pure products he switched over to the other company--ancient something or other, but it is very much more expensive than global lights. So, depending on how much money you have, and how pure you want your products--you get to decide which one you want to buy. Global Light has always said that they don't recommend drinking their mag oil (very small amounts, they think it's safe to drink but can't say it) but only using it externally, though many folks actually did take it internally without any ill effects. In fact, most people are short of magnesium and so had great health improvements using it. It's rather messy used on the skin, but you rub or spray it on, leave it on for about a half hour, then shower it off. It's greasy-oily feeling. So then this other company came out with a super filtered mag oil and they claim it is perfectly safe to take internally. Outside of the filtration, all mag oil is basically the same thing. It's made from sea water when they make sea salt--it's a by product of making the sea salt. Some people didn't want to spend the money for a gallon of mag oil, because it is expensive, even at Global Light. So they researched and found out that nigari flakes, which the Asians use to make tofu and you can find it as food grade safe, is basically mag oil. And it is fairly cheap to buy. You dissolve some in your bath water and soak in it. There's also a company that sells it as Sea Crop (you'd have to Google for it, don't have a link). Mag oil was originally sold (as the by-product of salt making) for natural agricultural fertilizers. It contains everything in sea water except the sodium, and makes plants grow great. Then people started to discover how good it makes them feel. So you can also buy Sea Crop, which is listed as an agricultural product, but many people drink it. I don't know how the price works out against buying regular magnesium oil though, I just know that there are quite a few people that ingest Sea Crop daily in small amounts. Hope this helps. Samala, Renee ---- : Re: The Ph Miracle Diet/Mike Please define and include links where to buy for MM, MIRACLE 2 or magnesium.Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Renee,Thank you for the detailed information.MikeGaiacita <gaiacitaoleander soup Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:35:05 PMRe: The Ph Miracle Diet/Mike Master's Miracle (now called Nature Rich I think) and Miracle 2 are basically the same product. They consist mostly of magnesium, potassium and calcium--mostly magnesium. The Miracle 2 products are also made with prayer. The MM product is more lab controlled in quality. Some people like one, some the other. You can Google either one and come up with a bunch of people that sell. MM is MLM mostly, though a few sell independently. M2 is mostly independent. The story is that one man had a vision and was given the M2 formula, which he made himself for a long time and sold. Then a guy came along and went into partnership with him and he had a MLM background, so started selling the M2 as MLM, which the first guy didn't like, so they separated. The second guy took the formula and went on to do a HUGE business selling it as MLM. The chiro that talked to us used the MM product, but I suppose the M2 would do the same thing. I can give the full protocol, which is simple actually, if you are interested. The magnesium oil is sold at www.globallight. net It use to be that people used this one almost exclusively because Dr. Sirus recommended it. Then he found a mag oil that was more pure than the global light one, and as he is for very pure products he switched over to the other company--ancient something or other, but it is very much more expensive than global lights. So, depending on how much money you have, and how pure you want your products--you get to decide which one you want to buy. Global Light has always said that they don't recommend drinking their mag oil (very small amounts, they think it's safe to drink but can't say it) but only using it externally, though many folks actually did take it internally without any ill effects. In fact, most people are short of magnesium and so had great health improvements using it. It's rather messy used on the skin, but you rub or spray it on, leave it on for about a half hour, then shower it off. It's greasy-oily feeling. So then this other company came out with a super filtered mag oil and they claim it is perfectly safe to take internally. Outside of the filtration, all mag oil is basically the same thing. It's made from sea water when they make sea salt--it's a by product of making the sea salt. Some people didn't want to spend the money for a gallon of mag oil, because it is expensive, even at Global Light. So they researched and found out that nigari flakes, which the Asians use to make tofu and you can find it as food grade safe, is basically mag oil. And it is fairly cheap to buy. You dissolve some in your bath water and soak in it. There's also a company that sells it as Sea Crop (you'd have to Google for it, don't have a link). Mag oil was originally sold (as the by-product of salt making) for natural agricultural fertilizers. It contains everything in sea water except the sodium, and makes plants grow great. Then people started to discover how good it makes them feel. So you can also buy Sea Crop, which is listed as an agricultural product, but many people drink it. I don't know how the price works out against buying regular magnesium oil though, I just know that there are quite a few people that ingest Sea Crop daily in small amounts. Hope this helps. Samala, Renee -- -- : Re: The Ph Miracle Diet/Mike Please define and include links where to buy for MM, MIRACLE 2 or magnesium.Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 We carry the Ancient Minerals and Ocean Minerals Magnesium Oil (under Natural Pain Management) and people are having great success with it. I was hesitant to add it to our product line, but after I used it at night and could really tell that I was sleeping better, I was sold. It is also very good for pain. Some use it 20-30 minutes before a shower and then rinse it off. It’s a great product and one that I use all the time and it lasts a long time. The body will use the magnesium oil much better transdermally than orally since it does not have to by-pass the liver. Be Well Loretta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Hey Mike. You're welcome. Many of the lists I'm on have researched and looked at mag oil for a long time, and Loretta is right, it is much better absorbed via the skin than orally, though some people do both. The ph protocol that the chiropractor recommended (he had some pretty amazing stories) had people soaking in the MM and also drinking some of the neutralizer. MM is basically mostly magnesium, with a balance of potassium and calcium, so that people were being "cured" because of finally getting enough magnesium. It mostly was that 40 minute soak every day rather than the 1 ounce to drink. It raises the ph, which is what he used as the key to health. So I'm supposing that using mag oil, or MM or nigari or Sea Crop will all do the same thing--get magnesium in. The nice thing about mag oil, Sea Crop and nigari is that you also get all the micro-minerals that MM doesn't have. But they all basically taste nasty except the MM neutralizer. That's mostly tasteless. :-) Samala, Renee ---- Thank you for the detailed information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Renee, How much is the small amount ingested by people who take Sea Crop. One teaspoon, one tablespoon? If you know, please post. \Thanks. Melly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Um, let me ask the group where they are using it. I think it's something small like a teaspoon, but I'll ask to be sure. Samala, Renee ---- How much is the small amount ingested by people who take Sea Crop. One teaspoon, one tablespoon? If you know, please post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 This is the response I got: I'm putting one dropperful (from an ordinary 1-ounce dropper bottle) Into a 1-litre bottle, setting on my charger for a few minutes & Sipping through the day. The charger they are talking about is a magnet. This is not necessary, but something they like to do.--Renee ---- How much is the small amount ingested by people who take Sea Crop. One teaspoon, one tablespoon? If you know, please post. \Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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