Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Michael and ALL, This video is a MUST SEE. It is one of the most alarming documentaries I have ever watched. http://video.google.com:80/videoplay?docid=1669587865067156619 & hl=en Bob - Michael Goebel oleander soup Monday, June 16, 2008 8:00 PM RE: Roundup toxicity I agree w/ you completely about the drug and chemical company takeover of our agricultural lands; I hate it. I fear we will soon be in armed revolt against our pseudo-government; international corporate profits control the laws, . . . until we revoltMalcolm is right about no-till farming methods. This is man who has been involved for over 50 years w/ organic farming. If you could visit his farm, you could judge his expertise by the crops he grows. He has more inovative ideas than anyone I've ever met. I trust his evaluations -- I rarely say that about anyone! So, in the manner that the Nazis were evil but yet produced a good idea (chelation), also an evil company may occasionally advance a good idea or product.I suppose we will wait and see. I think I agree w/ you on 99% of the issues I've seen you address, and I won't discount the other 1%; my jury is still out on these. Thank you for your many contributions at the group postings.Dr. Goebeo--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier wrote: Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphierRE: Roundup toxicityoleander soup Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 8:25 PM Dr. G, I have done a tremendous amout of research about Monsanto and I don’t trust them as far as I can see them. They are liers and probably wouldn’t know the truth if it smacked them in the face! I was raised in a South Texas farming community (cotton, grain and corn) and we have many, many friends that farmed and some that still do. I know exactly what goes on with farming practices. In fact, I worked for Production Credit Association (now Texas AG Finance) which was a small lending institution that provided competitive financing for farmers only. I deeply understand what has gone on in the farming community – with small farms and large farms. I also know that Monsanto is trying to take control of our food AND our water (different subject for a different time) AND our government is allowing them to poison us. They are trying to set themselves up as the FDA of farming/food and are about as trustworthy as the real FDA is toward natural supplements/ vitamins. It may sound very educated to say something like “someone needs to educate farmers on how to work with nature” as Malcom Beck as said, but that is a very condescending statement that would absolutel insult many farmers. The government will never teach or support anything about organic farming because they are in bed with the likes of Monsanto. Below is a portion of what your friend writes. The idea that we must choose the “lesser of two evils” sounds exactly like my Primary Care Physician when trying to convince me that CT scans are ok. Sorry, I don’t buy it. The problem is that the chemical companies that are making us sicker and sicker in the name of “convenience” which is what RoundUp is - convenient. Can’t find peope to “hoe weeds” – I highly doubt it unless you are paying them pennies. I do like the idea of having prisoners or even teens that can’t seem to be a productive part of society, doing this type of work – but that would probably violate their “rights” as he indicates. He says that he does not promote glyphosate - but he is promoting glyphosate as the “lesser ot two evils.”Also, our wonderful plastic’s companies have told us over and over just how safe their plastics are – for how many years now? (I am old enough to remember when most everything was packaged in glass.) And then we find out they have been lying – of course, they don’t get hurt except for getting a slap on the hand and a fine all the while hundreds of thousands of people are sick and toxic because of misplaced trust and believing that convenience is better than health. Please don’t believe for one minute that DOW or Monsanto or any of the other chemical companies have our best interest at heart – it is all about greed and money and the more “professional” people they can PAY to back them (such as A & M, Phd’s, etc.) the better it makes them look – It’s ALL about them – not about the farmers and not about trying to feed the world – it’s about control and keeping the population sick and fearful. CODEX falls right in there with all of this – I would imagine that at some point in time they will out-law heirloom seeds and home gardens. Sound ridiculous? – don’t be so sure. The following is from: http://www.malcolmb eck.com/articles /Glyphosate. htm Our problems are with government policies and lack of someone educating farmers on how to work with Nature. The government should be teaching and paying farmers to build soil organic content, which is the prerequisite of getting free from chemical dependence. Our problems are not with using products but not understanding why they have become necessary. I do not promote glyphosate. I dislike it as much as any man made chemical. But I do promote no-till. So far I have found no way to get farmers to give up the plow without using some herbicide at least for a while until he can eliminate perennial and rhizome type weeds. We have to stop plowing the soil to death. The soil gives birth to all life. The quality of the soil determines the quality of our air, our water and our food. Nature never plows. Plowing destroys soil life and soil quality. As the quality of the soil goes the life it supports goes. Farmers have to have some method of weed control. Hoeing would be perfect, look at all the good exercise, fresh air and closeness with nature but, you will no longer get people in this country to hoe at any wage. Hoeing could be a great job for all the people in our many prisons. But that would probably be considered in humane. Glyphosate is the least toxic of the herbicides mentioned in the Adobe file. Dr. Elaine Ingham tells me, “there is a bacteria in the soil that loves it and eats it up.” No-Till creates conditions and furnishes the energy and environment for those bacteria to flourish. Dr. Don Marks, world wide known expert on Mycorrhizae, said the plow destroys the host weed and the mycorrhizal fungi before it gets a chance to spore, with herbicide the host plant stops sending carbohydrates before it dies signaling the fungi to quickly spore. The plow is a bigger enemy to the mycorrhizae then glyphosate. Drifts can be prevented if used with the no drift products on the market and correct atmospheric conditions, such as, in the evening when the air is cooling. Also, if farmers would add one ounce of feed molasses to his herbicide mix it would stick better, help stop drifting and furnish the microbes a good energy source so they can quicker detoxify the product. I stick with my statement,” Nature could approve of glyphosate if used properly in some conditions.” Please Watch: http://dandelionsal ad.wordpress. com/2008/ 04/01/the- world-according- to-monsanto- a-documentary- that-americans- wont-ever- see-full- video/ - The video “The World According to Monsanto”Be WellLoretta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Bob i watched the video and i was stunned, this people are taking over, so we either we get up and get counted or we be next, and thats very scarry. Mary - bbanever oleander soup Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:07 PM Re: Roundup toxicity/Monsanto Michael and ALL, This video is a MUST SEE. It is one of the most alarming documentaries I have ever watched. http://video.google.com:80/videoplay?docid=1669587865067156619 & hl=en Bob - Michael Goebel oleander soup Monday, June 16, 2008 8:00 PM RE: Roundup toxicity I agree w/ you completely about the drug and chemical company takeover of our agricultural lands; I hate it. I fear we will soon be in armed revolt against our pseudo-government; international corporate profits control the laws, . . . until we revoltMalcolm is right about no-till farming methods. This is man who has been involved for over 50 years w/ organic farming. If you could visit his farm, you could judge his expertise by the crops he grows. He has more inovative ideas than anyone I've ever met. I trust his evaluations -- I rarely say that about anyone! So, in the manner that the Nazis were evil but yet produced a good idea (chelation), also an evil company may occasionally advance a good idea or product.I suppose we will wait and see. I think I agree w/ you on 99% of the issues I've seen you address, and I won't discount the other 1%; my jury is still out on these. Thank you for your many contributions at the group postings.Dr. Goebeo--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier (AT) oasisadvancedwellness (DOT) com> wrote: Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier (AT) oasisadvancedwellness (DOT) com>RE: Roundup toxicityoleander soup Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 8:25 PM Dr. G, I have done a tremendous amout of research about Monsanto and I don’t trust them as far as I can see them. They are liers and probably wouldn’t know the truth if it smacked them in the face! I was raised in a South Texas farming community (cotton, grain and corn) and we have many, many friends that farmed and some that still do. I know exactly what goes on with farming practices. In fact, I worked for Production Credit Association (now Texas AG Finance) which was a small lending institution that provided competitive financing for farmers only. I deeply understand what has gone on in the farming community – with small farms and large farms. I also know that Monsanto is trying to take control of our food AND our water (different subject for a different time) AND our government is allowing them to poison us. They are trying to set themselves up as the FDA of farming/food and are about as trustworthy as the real FDA is toward natural supplements/ vitamins. It may sound very educated to say something like “someone needs to educate farmers on how to work with nature” as Malcom Beck as said, but that is a very condescending statement that would absolutel insult many farmers. The government will never teach or support anything about organic farming because they are in bed with the likes of Monsanto. Below is a portion of what your friend writes. The idea that we must choose the “lesser of two evils” sounds exactly like my Primary Care Physician when trying to convince me that CT scans are ok. Sorry, I don’t buy it. The problem is that the chemical companies that are making us sicker and sicker in the name of “convenience” which is what RoundUp is - convenient. Can’t find peope to “hoe weeds” – I highly doubt it unless you are paying them pennies. I do like the idea of having prisoners or even teens that can’t seem to be a productive part of society, doing this type of work – but that would probably violate their “rights” as he indicates. He says that he does not promote glyphosate - but he is promoting glyphosate as the “lesser ot two evils.”Also, our wonderful plastic’s companies have told us over and over just how safe their plastics are – for how many years now? (I am old enough to remember when most everything was packaged in glass.) And then we find out they have been lying – of course, they don’t get hurt except for getting a slap on the hand and a fine all the while hundreds of thousands of people are sick and toxic because of misplaced trust and believing that convenience is better than health. Please don’t believe for one minute that DOW or Monsanto or any of the other chemical companies have our best interest at heart – it is all about greed and money and the more “professional” people they can PAY to back them (such as A & M, Phd’s, etc.) the better it makes them look – It’s ALL about them – not about the farmers and not about trying to feed the world – it’s about control and keeping the population sick and fearful. CODEX falls right in there with all of this – I would imagine that at some point in time they will out-law heirloom seeds and home gardens. Sound ridiculous? – don’t be so sure. The following is from: http://www.malcolmb eck.com/articles /Glyphosate. htm Our problems are with government policies and lack of someone educating farmers on how to work with Nature. The government should be teaching and paying farmers to build soil organic content, which is the prerequisite of getting free from chemical dependence. Our problems are not with using products but not understanding why they have become necessary. I do not promote glyphosate. I dislike it as much as any man made chemical. But I do promote no-till. So far I have found no way to get farmers to give up the plow without using some herbicide at least for a while until he can eliminate perennial and rhizome type weeds. We have to stop plowing the soil to death. The soil gives birth to all life. The quality of the soil determines the quality of our air, our water and our food. Nature never plows. Plowing destroys soil life and soil quality. As the quality of the soil goes the life it supports goes. Farmers have to have some method of weed control. Hoeing would be perfect, look at all the good exercise, fresh air and closeness with nature but, you will no longer get people in this country to hoe at any wage. Hoeing could be a great job for all the people in our many prisons. But that would probably be considered in humane. Glyphosate is the least toxic of the herbicides mentioned in the Adobe file. Dr. Elaine Ingham tells me, “there is a bacteria in the soil that loves it and eats it up.” No-Till creates conditions and furnishes the energy and environment for those bacteria to flourish. Dr. Don Marks, world wide known expert on Mycorrhizae, said the plow destroys the host weed and the mycorrhizal fungi before it gets a chance to spore, with herbicide the host plant stops sending carbohydrates before it dies signaling the fungi to quickly spore. The plow is a bigger enemy to the mycorrhizae then glyphosate. Drifts can be prevented if used with the no drift products on the market and correct atmospheric conditions, such as, in the evening when the air is cooling. Also, if farmers would add one ounce of feed molasses to his herbicide mix it would stick better, help stop drifting and furnish the microbes a good energy source so they can quicker detoxify the product. I stick with my statement,” Nature could approve of glyphosate if used properly in some conditions.” Please Watch: http://dandelionsal ad.wordpress. com/2008/ 04/01/the- world-according- to-monsanto- a-documentary- that-americans- wont-ever- see-full- video/ - The video “The World According to Monsanto”Be WellLoretta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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