Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 http://www.campaignforliberty.com/campaigns/obamahealthcare.php The politicians in Washington, DC using our economic chaos and fearmongering over flu pandemics to scare Americans into accepting a all-out Government Takeover of our healthcare. Congress and the White House are scheming to push this $1.5 TRILLION healthcare power grab into law. So you and I must fight back with all the grassroots pressure we can muster in the coming weeks. Please submit the petition DEMANDING your Congressman and Senators vote against Barack Obama's Healthcare Rationing Scheme or any other bill that would expand government's role in healthcare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Hello Kelly, I can't understand your idea with this petition. I'm Canadian and I'm born in Europe and I have to tell you it is not the government who dicides what medical care you have to receive. It is your doctor and you. Here it's your insurer - and it is in his best interest not to spend a lot...Bureaucracy here in US health care is much bigger than the rest of the developed world. Many times you receive bills from a doctor's office saying you have to pay, because you don't have an insurance - than you have to call, send fax with insurance info, etc. - you lose time. If you are healthy, the system here is working for you, but if you are really sick, you are doomed. If you are unable to work, because of sickness, what happens??? Every time you need something, you have to check with the insurance, if it'll be covered. You go to operation, and after it turns out some of the doctors working on you, doesn't accept your insurance.... I'm not saying, that the system is perfect in the other countries, but you feel assured that you'll be taken care of without thinking AT ALL what it'll cost, or how you're gonne keep your health insurance when losing your job.. Best, Youliana--- On Tue, 6/16/09, kelly <kelly wrote: kelly <kelly{Herbal Remedies} Stop Gov't healthcare takeover - PetitionTuesday, June 16, 2009, 7:55 PM http://www.campaign forliberty. com/campaigns/ obamahealthcare. phpThe politicians in Washington, DC using our economic chaos and fearmongering over flu pandemics to scare Americans into accepting a all-out Government Takeover of our healthcare.Congress and the White House are scheming to push this $1.5 TRILLION healthcare power grab into law. So you and I must fight back with all the grassroots pressure we can muster in the coming weeks.Please submit the petition DEMANDING your Congressman and Senators vote against Barack Obama's Healthcare Rationing Scheme or any other bill that would expand government's role in healthcare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Kelly, Very well said . Mary O kelly wrote: I did not write the petition but signed it and forwarded it, hoping others will sign it too. It's about our health freedom! Here a few things I don't I like about Obama's health care reform. "The Recovery Act also invests $19 billion in computerized medical records" without an opt out option is a violation of our privacy and doctor/patient confidentiality. "$1.1 billion for research to give doctors tools to make the best treatment decisions for their patients" It's the patients (not the doctors) right and responsibility to make the best decision using the doctor as an advisor and partner in the decision making. The doctors work for us. We hire them and fire them. "$1 billion for prevention and wellness interventions" which include pushing vaccines and cancer treatments. And no where do I see in the reform protection for our right to choose an alternative health care provider only a right to choose a physician and no protection of our right to affordable vitamins and herbs only prescription drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 the over all bill is good, perhaps some concession, to included herbal and alternative. however, Reiki and other complimentary care are now be added to for payment by insurance companies this is progress--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Mary Ostrowski <mary wrote: Mary Ostrowski <maryRe: {Herbal Remedies} Stop Gov't healthcare takeover - Petitionherbal remedies Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 2:24 PM Kelly,Very well said . Mary Okelly wrote: I did not write the petition but signed it and forwarded it, hoping others will sign it too. It's about our health freedom! Here a few things I don't I like about Obama's health care reform. "The Recovery Act also invests $19 billion in computerized medical records" without an opt out option is a violation of our privacy and doctor/patient confidentiality. "$1.1 billion for research to give doctors tools to make the best treatment decisions for their patients" It's the patients (not the doctors) right and responsibility to make the best decision using the doctor as an advisor and partner in the decision making. The doctors work for us. We hire them and fire them. "$1 billion for prevention and wellness interventions" which include pushing vaccines and cancer treatments. And no where do I see in the reform protection for our right to choose an alternative health care provider only a right to choose a physician and no protection of our right to affordable vitamins and herbs only prescription drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 what I don't like the most of the NHC is I perfer that my doctor answer to me for my treatmen not the government! plain and simple--- On Wed, 6/17/09, kelly <kelly wrote: kelly <kellyRe: {Herbal Remedies} Stop Gov't healthcare takeover - Petitionherbal remedies Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 2:05 PM I did not write the petition but signed it and forwarded it, hoping others will sign it too. It's about our health freedom! Here a few things I don't I like about Obama's health care reform. "The Recovery Act also invests $19 billion in computerized medical records" without an opt out option is a violation of our privacy and doctor/patient confidentiality. "$1.1 billion for research to give doctors tools to make the best treatment decisions for their patients" It's the patients (not the doctors) right and responsibility to make the best decision using the doctor as an advisor and partner in the decision making. The doctors work for us. We hire them and fire them. "$1 billion for prevention and wellness interventions" which include pushing vaccines and cancer treatments. And no where do I see in the reform protection for our right to choose an alternative health care provider only a right to choose a physician and no protection of our right to affordable vitamins and herbs only prescription drugs. Our health care system should stop pushing compulsory, expensive medical treatments and drugs on the American people. There are many low cost and effective health care choices that are becoming less accessible and more expensive because our government is getting in the way. Midwifery, for example, provides women more time with their health care provider of choice while lowering the cost of care. But malpractice insurance costs and needing an OB's blessing has been a difficult hurtle for midwifes all over the country. And it's the OB's that more often get sued for malpractice not the midwives. Secondly, vitamins and supplements provide people a way to care for their own health at a lower cost. Now the FDA wants to reclassify them as drugs, thereby increasing the expense while decreasing the availability. Third, chemotherapy and radiation are exorbitantly expensive and can kill. Yet cancer patients of this "free" county are having the right to choose another way taken away from them. Forth, vaccines are very expensive, contain known toxins, and carry a of risk of numerous side effects including death, yet we are required to obtain exemptions to refuse to inject these known toxins into our bodies and our children's bodies. Instead of helping build our immune system our heath care systems is pushing these expensive toxins on us. "If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as the souls who live under tyranny." -Thomas Jefferson Youliana, you are fortunate to be a Canadian with a working health care system. And I'm am fortunate to have a healthy family and good job. But right now I have to project my freedoms in health care choices. I'm willing to sacrifice. But I will NOT let the government own my bodies or my children's bodies.Sincerely,KellyYouliana Tichelova wrote: Hello Kelly, I can't understand your idea with this petition. I'm Canadian and I'm born in Europe and I have to tell you it is not the government who dicides what medical care you have to receive. It is your doctor and you. Here it's your insurer - and it is in his best interest not to spend a lot...Bureaucracy here in US health care is much bigger than the rest of the developed world. Many times you receive bills from a doctor's office saying you have to pay, because you don't have an insurance - than you have to call, send fax with insurance info, etc. - you lose time. If you are healthy, the system here is working for you, but if you are really sick, you are doomed. If you are unable to work, because of sickness, what happens??? Every time you need something, you have to check with the insurance, if it'll be covered. You go to operation, and after it turns out some of the doctors working on you, doesn't accept your insurance... . I'm not saying, that the system is perfect in the other countries, but you feel assured that you'll be taken care of without thinking AT ALL what it'll cost, or how you're gonne keep your health insurance when losing your job.. Best, Youliana--- On Tue, 6/16/09, kelly <kelly (AT) boowah (DOT) com> wrote: kelly <kelly (AT) boowah (DOT) com>{Herbal Remedies} Stop Gov't healthcare takeover - PetitionTuesday, June 16, 2009, 7:55 PM http://www.campaign forliberty. com/campaigns/ obamahealthcare. phpThe politicians in Washington, DC using our economic chaos and fearmongering over flu pandemics to scare Americans into accepting a all-out Government Takeover of our healthcare.Congress and the White House are scheming to push this $1.5 TRILLION healthcare power grab into law. So you and I must fight back with all the grassroots pressure we can muster in the coming weeks.Please submit the petition DEMANDING your Congressman and Senators vote against Barack Obama's Healthcare Rationing Scheme or any other bill that would expand government's role in healthcare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Youliana is 100% correct. Take Japan, f.e.,Tokyo is one of the most expensive cities but a hospital stay is just $ 20/day. You don't need appointments to see your doctor. You can see him more than once a week and you don't pay a penny. Med technology is one of the best in the world. Your doctor makes a determination on the med procedure you need no the State. He encourages you to eat healthy food and he's knowledgable about food nutrients and herbs. Physicians in this country have no clue about vitamines, herbs or even basic food. In this country the health care cost per capita went from $ 158 to $ 5800 !!!!!. in the last 48 years. Inflation in that period was only 500%. Think about. Has enyone's health improved 4000 % ? Who, do you think, caused this catastrophic increase in health care? Hospitals here are incetivised to use the most expensive drugs to generate the max profit. HMOs make money by denying you procedures. The Medicare admin costs are appx 4% , Health Ins Cos admin costs are 30 to 37%. Private insurers cost the patients close to a half of trillion dollars a year. Of all the money the world spends on drugs 45% of it is spent in this country! Any wonder the whole system is collapsing and hospitals are being closed at alarming rate.? Please do not listen to fear mongers and lies.Stefan --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Youliana Tichelova <julianatichelova wrote:Youliana Tichelova <julianatichelovaRe: {Herbal Remedies} Stop Gov't healthcare takeover - Petitionherbal remedies Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:45 AM Hello Kelly, I can't understand your idea with this petition. I'm Canadian and I'm born in Europe and I have to tell you it is not the government who dicides what medical care you have to receive. It is your doctor and you. Here it's your insurer - and it is in his best interest not to spend a lot...Bureaucracy here in US health care is much bigger than the rest of the developed world. Many times you receive bills from a doctor's office saying you have to pay, because you don't have an insurance - than you have to call, send fax with insurance info, etc. - you lose time. If you are healthy, the system here is working for you, but if you are really sick, you are doomed. If you are unable to work, because of sickness, what happens??? Every time you need something, you have to check with the insurance, if it'll be covered. You go to operation, and after it turns out some of the doctors working on you, doesn't accept your insurance... . I'm not saying, that the system is perfect in the other countries, but you feel assured that you'll be taken care of without thinking AT ALL what it'll cost, or how you're gonne keep your health insurance when losing your job.. Best, Youliana--- On Tue, 6/16/09, kelly <kelly (AT) boowah (DOT) com> wrote: kelly <kelly (AT) boowah (DOT) com>{Herbal Remedies} Stop Gov't healthcare takeover - PetitionTuesday, June 16, 2009, 7:55 PM http://www.campaign forliberty. com/campaigns/ obamahealthcare. phpThe politicians in Washington, DC using our economic chaos and fearmongering over flu pandemics to scare Americans into accepting a all-out Government Takeover of our healthcare.Congress and the White House are scheming to push this $1.5 TRILLION healthcare power grab into law. So you and I must fight back with all the grassroots pressure we can muster in the coming weeks.Please submit the petition DEMANDING your Congressman and Senators vote against Barack Obama's Healthcare Rationing Scheme or any other bill that would expand government's role in healthcare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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