Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Well- then there's white wine vinegar and red wine vinegar. White and red balsamic . And of course there's sorghum vinegar. :-) Cara > Hi Cara, Ed and Par, > > I like the ideas of considering modified substitutes for alcohol. > Consider also, that there are different vinegars that have different > properties as well: Umeboshi plum vinegar is more salty, apple cider > vinegar is more sour and rice vinegar is more sweet. I suspect that wine > vinegar would be more warming. > > Yehuda > > On Mon, 16 May 2005 20:26:39 -0400 Cara Frank <herbbabe > writes: >> The problem is that vinegar is sour: it has a totally different >> action than >> alcohol, which is acrid and moving. >> this is just an idea, but if you couldn¹t use alcohol, then maybe >> focus on >> acrid warm herbs: gui zhi, xi xin >> >> Cara >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Ed, >>> I think it would be an interesting substitution. I was thumbing >> through the >>> new Jiao Shu De formulas book and he was talking about vinegar as >> a >>> substitute for bai jiu (rice wine) in various internal formulas, >> which I had >>> never thought about before. Does anybody on the list do this? >> Some of the >>> die da formulas recommend taking with a dose of alcohol, would >> this work as >>> a substitution generally? >>> >>> Par >>> - >>> " Ed Kasper LAc " <eddy >>> >>> Monday, May 16, 2005 2:12 PM >>> RE: shaolin die da >>> >>> >>>>> I use vinegar as a solvent which is cooler than alcohol, and >>>>> has health benefits as well. Problems are short shelf life >>>>> and not industry standards for liability issues therefore >>>>> not recommended for large scale commercial use but superior >>>>> for in house clinical use. I make my own distilled vinegar >>>>> from kombucha mushroom tea with a lower acetic acid and >>>>> higher gluconic and other beneficial acids. The kombucha >>>>> vinegar itself works well for topical application. For >>>>> instance I've used it regularly on my dogs Hot Spots he used >>>>> to get every summer (from fleas and allergies). There would >>>>> be a slight initial sting and settle in and freely allow >>>>> more to be applied. Try that with alcohol and they're gone. >>>>> Plus the intense itching would be immediately gone and the >>>>> skin would begin to heal right away. Vinegar has >>>>> respectable references as a herbal solvent in TCM as well as >>>>> American and European herbalism and noted applicable >>>>> medicinal qualities. >>>>> >>>>> Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist >>>>> Acupuncture is a jab well done >>>>> www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sun, 15 May 2005 08:49:35 -0400 >>>>> " Par Scott " <parufus >>>>> Re: shaolin die da >>>>> >>>>> I don't see alcohol as cooling. It's internal function is >>>>> definitely >>>>> warming, it is moving and acrid... oil extraction is more >>>>> problematic, and >>>>> while I do make salves they are for skin problems where >>>>> nourishing is more >>>>> of an issue. I made an alcohol based treatment for damp >>>>> heat itching >>>>> recently which has been working pretty well for the patient, >>>>> go figure. I >>>>> think as long as you use a solvent that will extract what >>>>> you want from the >>>>> medicinals and something in the oil as a barrier crossing >>>>> agent (like bing >>>>> pian, et al) your probably fine. >>>>> >>>>> Par >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, >> including >>>>> board approved continuing education classes, an annual >> conference and a >>>>> free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Jiao is using mi cu (rice vinegar) in the place of bai jiu in gua lou xie bai bai jiu tang. Bai jiu's function in the formula is to warm and invigorate, assisting the yang of the chest to move. This seems contradictory to the sour and relatively cool nature we all seem to be assuming the vinegar has. He says he gets a good effect (page 24) he states on the following page that mi cu is sour and warm, breaks bound qi and phlegm stasis and treats heart and abdominal pain... Then there's the use of vinegar frying to enhance the liver entering property of medicinals, which doesn't seem to enhance the astringent sour quality... it just seems like a novel way of thinking about a sour flavor. Is this just an instance where five element and reality happen to part ways? Par - " Cara Frank " <herbbabe Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:19 AM Re: vinegar Well- then there's white wine vinegar and red wine vinegar. White and red balsamic . And of course there's sorghum vinegar. :-) Cara > Hi Cara, Ed and Par, > > I like the ideas of considering modified substitutes for alcohol. > Consider also, that there are different vinegars that have different > properties as well: Umeboshi plum vinegar is more salty, apple cider > vinegar is more sour and rice vinegar is more sweet. I suspect that wine > vinegar would be more warming. > > Yehuda > > On Mon, 16 May 2005 20:26:39 -0400 Cara Frank <herbbabe > writes: >> The problem is that vinegar is sour: it has a totally different >> action than >> alcohol, which is acrid and moving. >> this is just an idea, but if you couldn¹t use alcohol, then maybe >> focus on >> acrid warm herbs: gui zhi, xi xin >> >> Cara >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Ed, >>> I think it would be an interesting substitution. I was thumbing >> through the >>> new Jiao Shu De formulas book and he was talking about vinegar as >> a >>> substitute for bai jiu (rice wine) in various internal formulas, >> which I had >>> never thought about before. Does anybody on the list do this? >> Some of the >>> die da formulas recommend taking with a dose of alcohol, would >> this work as >>> a substitution generally? >>> >>> Par >>> - >>> " Ed Kasper LAc " <eddy >>> >>> Monday, May 16, 2005 2:12 PM >>> RE: shaolin die da >>> >>> >>>>> I use vinegar as a solvent which is cooler than alcohol, and >>>>> has health benefits as well. Problems are short shelf life >>>>> and not industry standards for liability issues therefore >>>>> not recommended for large scale commercial use but superior >>>>> for in house clinical use. I make my own distilled vinegar >>>>> from kombucha mushroom tea with a lower acetic acid and >>>>> higher gluconic and other beneficial acids. The kombucha >>>>> vinegar itself works well for topical application. For >>>>> instance I've used it regularly on my dogs Hot Spots he used >>>>> to get every summer (from fleas and allergies). There would >>>>> be a slight initial sting and settle in and freely allow >>>>> more to be applied. Try that with alcohol and they're gone. >>>>> Plus the intense itching would be immediately gone and the >>>>> skin would begin to heal right away. Vinegar has >>>>> respectable references as a herbal solvent in TCM as well as >>>>> American and European herbalism and noted applicable >>>>> medicinal qualities. >>>>> >>>>> Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist >>>>> Acupuncture is a jab well done >>>>> www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sun, 15 May 2005 08:49:35 -0400 >>>>> " Par Scott " <parufus >>>>> Re: shaolin die da >>>>> >>>>> I don't see alcohol as cooling. It's internal function is >>>>> definitely >>>>> warming, it is moving and acrid... oil extraction is more >>>>> problematic, and >>>>> while I do make salves they are for skin problems where >>>>> nourishing is more >>>>> of an issue. I made an alcohol based treatment for damp >>>>> heat itching >>>>> recently which has been working pretty well for the patient, >>>>> go figure. I >>>>> think as long as you use a solvent that will extract what >>>>> you want from the >>>>> medicinals and something in the oil as a barrier crossing >>>>> agent (like bing >>>>> pian, et al) your probably fine. >>>>> >>>>> Par >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, >> including >>>>> board approved continuing education classes, an annual >> conference and a >>>>> free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Vinegar is an extremely versatile product to have around the house and it makes an earth friendly alternative to many household chemicals. Many of your household chores that you can't do with baking soda you can do with vinegar. Plus, it's cheap. Despite its initial, pungent odor vinegar makes a great deodorant. And the fact that it is completely safe and non-toxic makes it perfect for today's tip. * For pet owners, white vinegar poured onto pet urine mishaps on carpets, then blotted up with paper towel will prevent staining and odor. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.10/1160 - Release 11/29/2007 8:32 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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