Guest guest Posted February 28, 2001 Report Share Posted February 28, 2001 Danny It is so wonderful to hear that you are a student of TCM there are not enough of us to go around. I am in my third year of training at this time. I think it is incredibly difficult to grasp some of the concepts. My training has been different from the traditional route, I am involved in an apprenticeship program. In order to set for the National Boards I have to clock 4000 hours in a 3-6 year period with a mentor who has so many years and so many patients. I hope to sit for the NCCAOM test next year. The hospital I work for uses acupuncture to detox people from drugs and alcohol, that is how I got interested in acupuncture. So 2 years before I even started to train (because I did not think I would be able to get training we don’t have schools here) I got some books and needles and began to work on friends and family. I fondly call them my victims. KNOWING WHAT I KNOW NOW I WOULD HAVE NEVER DONE THAT.........SO PLEASE ANYONE READING THIS SHOULD NOT THINK THIS IS A SAFE WAY TO LEARN ACUPUNCTURE.....I WAS LUCKY NOT TO HARM ANYONE. I am including the detox work and my own self study because this allo wed me to enter right into the apprenticeship knowing enough to begin needling so I have several years of experience but still only feel like I have scratched the surface. This will be a life time study and I will never know as much as I would like. This form of training has worked well for me. I have always had the ability to feel energy shifts in the body and what might need to be worked on. Plus I learn better by doing. The down side is much of what I do is intuitive (and I know it is suppose to be) but that makes it real hard to do the book stuff which is the only way I will ever pass the test or get a licence to practice independently. I joined this group because Victoria is so knowledgeable and it has helped me to understand some things. Honesty I usually sit on the side lines and learn from this group and try real hard not to comment because I am still a student. (Unless of course we get a doctor on line and then I really can talk, right Victoria and Lynn LOL LOL LOL , hummmmmm I wonder how D r Sam is doing) Hang in there on the pulse diagnosis I am told that it takes many years to fully understand the process. It has been my experience that healers don’t learn their art they remember it from some where long ago. Shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2001 Report Share Posted February 28, 2001 In a message dated 2/28/2001 12:54:21 PM Central Standard Time, parlanchina writes: If somebody would be able to explain the difference to me between using up our own qi to heal and channeling qi from the universe/nature, I would appreciate it. I fear I would be a rather short-lived practitioner if I were to use my own each time, but I am a firm believer in intent having the power to heal. I never use my own Qi usually with the process I breathe to the dan tien and visualize creating it from the external all done in the abdomen but not my Qi (I agree you would deplete pretty fast especially with very needy patients). Then other times I pull from the earth thru my feet to my hands and being a reiki person also sometimes will pull thru the crown of the head and into the needles. There are several schools of thought on energy and Qi so I would say go with what you are comfortable with and what you know to be your truth. I have what I call my real job (corporate america healthcare) which is all mind work. I work harder at the clinic on any given day but feel better when I get home. Treating others is so rewarding that it gives back and I never feel depleted. Shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2001 Report Share Posted February 28, 2001 The conversation regarding intent and the " ball o' qi " brings up a question/concern. My taiji teacher at school, who is also a TCM practitioner, speaks of several types of qi (the chinese names of which escape me at the moment, apologies). He talks of one that may be cultivated to move qi to parts of YOUR OWN body to heal (nei, maybe???), and one that may be further cultivated to move qi FROM NATURE/OUTSIDE to heal others. He tells a story about learning qigong in China, and when he learned to move qi in the former way, he tried to heal others with his own qi. He says that his master told him that he was using his own dan tian qi, not qi from nature, and in the process depleting his source qi. I am also led to believe that this is not a good idea. If somebody would be able to explain the difference to me between using up our own qi to heal and channeling qi from the universe/nature, I would appreciate it. I fear I would be a rather short-lived practitioner if I were to use my own each time, but I am a firm believer in intent having the power to heal. Thank you for your responses. ******************************** www.chickclick.com Sign up for free email. http://chickmail.chickclick.com Win free stuff! http://contests.chickclick.com ******************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2001 Report Share Posted March 3, 2001 Shane, Well, your wish may have been answered. I am a doctor or at least I will be in another year. Point is, I started out in TCM!!! I enjoyed herbs especially but I also did acupuncture, incl. detox acupuncture. Never sat for the licensing exam- my practice was in AZ where licensing wasn't required. I understand that's changed now. I also did TCM w/out acupuncture (except detox) in NY. I too did most of my training by apprenticeship, in China, Japan, and the US. Any way, I had the opportunity to study medicine (at $3,500 per year for tuition, if you can believe it!) and jumped at the chance. At 42 years of age (at the time), I had to take the shot. My goal is to be able to unite both models of medicine, not in the sense of making one model from both or re-defining allopathic medicine in terms of TCM or vice-versa, but recognizing that no system of healing is perfect for everything. Some tings are just better treated with drugs, surgery, etc.. But some illnesses just can't beat TCM! My view is, use what's best for the patient! I'm going to specialize in psychiatry and very much want to use TCM as part of my treatment approach. Maciocia does a great job in describing some of the TCM approaches for mental illness. By the way, I haven't done a full literature search yet, so if anyone knows of any articles about TCM and mental illness, please give me a reference! I know Bob Flaws just wrote a book on the subject but it's a $100+. Too rich for my blood at the moment! Anyway, I just wanted to support all of you who are in training. It's a tough road but it can be done. And it doesn't matter about how you train- in a formal school, apprenticeship, distance learning or self-study, it's the learning that's important. But I also agree with you Shane- don't overstep the boundaries of what you know how to do. You absolutely can cause alot of harm. Dr. Lev Fedyniak Soon-to-be MD! If anyone is interested in the med school program I mentioned, check out the website below: ---------- MED SCHOOL FOR $3,500 TUITION!!! Ask me how or visit http://www.nadiyainc.com tarotdog [tarotdog] Wednesday, February 28, 2001 3:55 PM Chinese Traditional Medicine Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Thanks Danny It is so wonderful to hear that you are a student of TCM there are not enough of us to go around. I am in my third year of training at this time. I think it is incredibly difficult to grasp some of the concepts. My training has been different from the traditional route, I am involved in an apprenticeship program. In order to set for the National Boards I have to clock 4000 hours in a 3-6 year period with a mentor who has so many years and so many patients. I hope to sit for the NCCAOM test next year. The hospital I work for uses acupuncture to detox people from drugs and alcohol, that is how I got interested in acupuncture. So 2 years before I even started to train (because I did not think I would be able to get training we don’t have schools here) I got some books and needles and began to work on friends and family. I fondly call them my victims. KNOWING WHAT I KNOW NOW I WOULD HAVE NEVER DONE THAT.........SO PLEASE ANYONE READING THIS SHOULD NOT THINK THIS IS A SAFE WAY TO LEARN ACUPUNCTURE.....I WAS LUCKY NOT TO HARM ANYONE. I am including the detox work and my own self study because this allo wed me to enter right into the apprenticeship knowing enough to begin needling so I have several years of experience but still only feel like I have scratched the surface. This will be a life time study and I will never know as much as I would like. This form of training has worked well for me. I have always had the ability to feel energy shifts in the body and what might need to be worked on. Plus I learn better by doing. The down side is much of what I do is intuitive (and I know it is suppose to be) but that makes it real hard to do the book stuff which is the only way I will ever pass the test or get a licence to practice independently. I joined this group because Victoria is so knowledgeable and it has helped me to understand some things. Honesty I usually sit on the side lines and learn from this group and try real hard not to comment because I am still a student. (Unless of course we get a doctor on line and then I really can talk, right Victoria and Lynn LOL LOL LOL , hummmmmm I wonder how D r Sam is doing) Hang in there on the pulse diagnosis I am told that it takes many years to fully understand the process. It has been my experience that healers don’t learn their art they remember it from some where long ago. Shane Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2001 Report Share Posted March 5, 2001 In order not to use your own Qi To channel Qi from the universe Many of us use the Usui system of natural healing, also known as Reiki. To learn how to channel Reiki (or Qi if you prefer), one must be attuned by a Reiki Master. For detailed information, please see www.reiki.org. Thanks everyone for your help and insight. -- Ruby Mae rubymae - email (510) 239-2239 x4777 - voicemail/fax ---- C K <parlanchina wrote: > The conversation regarding intent and the " ball o' qi " brings up a > question/concern. > > My taiji teacher at school, who is also a TCM practitioner, speaks > of several types of qi (the chinese names of which escape me at the > moment, apologies). He talks of one that may be cultivated to move > qi to parts of YOUR OWN body to heal (nei, maybe???), and one that > may be further cultivated to move qi FROM NATURE/OUTSIDE to heal others. > He tells a story about learning qigong in China, and when he learned > to move qi in the former way, he tried to heal others with his own > qi. He says that his master told him that he was using his own dan > tian qi, not qi from nature, and in the process depleting his source > qi. > > I am also led to believe that this is not a good idea. > > If somebody would be able to explain the difference to me between using > up our own qi to heal and channeling qi from the universe/nature, I > would appreciate it. I fear I would be a rather short-lived practitioner > if I were to use my own each time, but I am a firm believer in intent > having the power to heal. > > Thank you for your responses. > > ******************************** > www.chickclick.com > > Sign up for free email. > http://chickmail.chickclick.com > > Win free stuff! > http://contests.chickclick.com > ******************************** > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 >With all the e-mails I get, I for one would prefer if the Thanks just went >back to the person providing the information, if Thanks is all that is being >said. >Bryon I do agree with you Bryon that the thanks could be personal rather than to the whole group, but one way to alleviate the problem is to have a daily digest rather than individual emails. I do that and then its easy to skim through the posts that aren't useful. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Thank you for accepting me into the group. I am anxious to learn about Everything Natural~ Si`la Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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