An Apology for Not Breeding

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http://seattle.consciouschoice.com/2007/03/lue0703.html

By Laura Wiley

I don’t know how to preface this, so I’m just going to come right out and say it because I feel like everyone I meet is dying to know. I don’t want to have children. You heard me. I’m a weirdo. A genetic perversion. A self-absorbed “career gal” — or so society would have me think. After thirty-eight years of politely dodging the question at parties, humoring everyone in my family by pretending to even consider it, I have finally come out of the closet. For reasons too numerous to mention, I’m a non-breeder. A childless married woman. It’s not that I have “better” things to do. I have “other” things to do. In America, this shouldn’t be so hard for people to accept. And yet it is.I remember when I first realized I did not want to be a mother. I was eight. I was playing house with my friend Cameron, a farmer’s son who lived next door to me in rural Indiana. He was one of a long line of folks with “family values.” Even at eight, I felt the weight of that phrase although I had never even heard it uttered. I knew that when Cameron and I played games he would invariably assign the roles. He was always the “daddy” and I was always the “mommy.” My husband and I sit on the couch most nights after dinner. We have been married for over a decade. The sitcom du jour has just ended, and a comfortable lethargy settles over us. Now what? Anxious thoughts start to invade my peace. Am I lazy? What would “normal” people be doing right now? I see a mental vignette of a woman helping her son with his math problems. I see a man swinging his daughter by the ankles while making airplane noises. I begin to feel incredibly guilty. What am I depriving my husband of? Do these feelings come from a deep sense of longing for children? Or do they come from Madison Avenue? Most nights, I have just spent an hour or two watching (among other things) images of vibrant, middle-aged women who drive home in SUVs packed with groceries and children, women who clean up spills on the floor with a sturdy paper towel and a smile, women who shake their heads and roll their eyes at their children’s adorable antics, with a “There you go again!” resignation. The message is clear. This is la dolce vita. Motherhood is the place where any woman needs to be if she wants to be happy.I can sometimes go for weeks without even addressing the “baby question” until someone at a dinner party brings it up. At first, it catches me off-guard. I have to think fast. I must not insult the person who has already been a parent — né, sacrificed much to get there. I must not seem wishy-washy, for they can sense doubt like a dog smelling fear, and will jump in with all sorts of arguments to win me to their side. On the other hand, I must not seem too firm, or I risk appearing cold and bereft of a nurturing instinct. In terms of a response, the old joke is probably the best: “I can’t bear children.” Get it? But that’s not exactly true, both ways. I am fertile, and I teach children music. They are an endless source of fascination and humor. I remember things they say in lessons long after they have left. I adore my three nieces and my nephew. So, to return to the original question, after 12 years of marriage and no children to show for it, what, exactly, are my husband and I doing here? I guess we’re here because of comfortable routines I wouldn’t trade for the world. We’re here because every morning I wake up to the sound of carrots being grated — the carrots he puts in the huge salad he takes to work every day. We’re here because every night when he comes home from work I know he will give me a hug and then look down and quip “Are you getting shorter?” Because even though it annoys me, I like the fact that for the last 12 years whenever I am in the bathroom and he is washing his face, he will reach for my nightgown in mock confusion as if he intends to dry his face on it. And because every weekend when we go on our hike I know at some point he will toss a twig up the path and yell “Snake!” When I die, it is possible I will spend a few restless months (or years) wishing I’d had children to keep me company and to serve as a mirror for my genetic traits. It’s also quite possible I’ll regret not having traveled to Botswana, lived a year as a redhead, learned to make tiramisu, or bought a summer home on Martha’s Vineyard. The truth is that every time we choose to do something in this life we are choosing not to do something else. Life is a series of decisions to be made, the ramifications of which we can’t know until we make the decisions — and sometimes not even then. It might surprise us that the decisions we make are not, in themselves, what determine our level of happiness. It is our ability to make decisions using self-knowledge and intuition, and then accept the outcome, that determines our quality of life. Making informed choices and then living our lives gracefully and without comparison to others is the best we can really hope for.Laura Wiley is a Bay Area freelance writer, editor and music instructor.

 

 

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GaiaHemp

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I feel like everyone I meet is dying to know. I don’t want to have children. You heard me. I’m a weirdo>>

 

Well, I am astounded Miss Wiley that you feel obliged to intrude on MY personal time and insist on describing to me your self-described "weird" sexual practices (which you very bizarrely refer to as "breeding"). But because you uncharitably and unwelcomely insist on seeking "validation" from me, I have to then ask: does your Homo Sex "lifestyle" include preying upon CHILDREN? Where exactly does your "bizarre" lifestyle set boundaries against us normal folks you describe as "breeders"? None of my questions would ordinarily be appropriate, but you violate all normal standards of decency, by insisting at the outset that we ordinary folks should have the slightest interest in your sexual practices. Why not try using this standard of common sense and decency, next time: if you have sex with other women or men or dogs or zebras...please DON'T tell me about it? Don't seek "validation" from me, don't demand I approve or disapprove of your self-described "weird" behavior. I don't want to hear about it, I don't want to know enough to pass judgment on folks like you, Miss Wiley.

 

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What? Did you even *read* the article?? The woman isn't gay and she said absolutely nothing about her sexual practices. She is just a happily married woman who chooses not to have children!!

 

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JazziDJess

Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:07 AM

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I feel like everyone I meet is dying to know. I don’t want to have children. You heard me. I’m a weirdo

>> Well, I am astounded Miss Wiley that you feel obliged to intrude on MY personal time and insist on describing to me your self-described "weird" sexual practices (which you very bizarrely refer to as "breeding"). But because you uncharitably and unwelcomely insist on seeking "validation" from me, I have to then ask: does your Homo Sex "lifestyle" include preying upon CHILDREN? Where exactly does your "bizarre" lifestyle set boundaries against us normal folks you describe as "breeders"? None of my questions would ordinarily be appropriate, but you violate all normal standards of decency, by insisting at the outset that we ordinary folks should have the slightest interest in your sexual practices. Why not try using this standard of common sense and decency, next time: if you have sex with other women or men or dogs or zebras...please DON'T tell me about it? Don't seek "validation" from me, don't demand I approve or disapprove of your self-described "weird" behavior. I don't want to hear about it, I don't want to know enough to pass judgment on folks like you, Miss Wiley. .

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Thank you for sending that. I am a married woman who gave birth to 1 and raised 6. My son and his wife do not have children and I hope they never do. They are so happy, so in love and having so much fun that I fear a child would ruin all that...most anyway.

Bev

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Felt the same from a male point of view , when in college, i read Dr. Paul

Erlichs' book " the Population Bomb " everyone thought his outrageous

numerical predictions were off the chart...his only mistake was that he

UNDER estimated in all his predictions!!! Kraig

 

 

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I understand too Beverly.... in my case, I was adopted as an infant and raised in a very dysfunctional situation by a woman who screwed me up terribly. I grew up knowing I'd NEVER raise children, simply because I had NO idea how to be a parent. The only parent I'd ever seen in action was the one that raised me...and I couldn't take the chance that I'd end up parenting in the only way I knew how...hers...I knew I'd rather die than do THAT to an innocent child. I think kids are awesome...I enjoy other people's kids a lot... but I am not the one responsible for raising them and shaping who they are to become as adults.

 

 

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BEVERLE SWEITZER

Saturday, March 10, 2007 9:04 AM

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Thank you for sending that. I am a married woman who gave birth to 1 and raised 6. My son and his wife do not have children and I hope they never do. They are so happy, so in love and having so much fun that I fear a child would ruin all that...most anyway.

Bev

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Amy:

It makes me sad to hear about your childhood. My mother was so awful to me that I was sure I was adopted! Looking back on it I know I could have done so much better as a mother but, as you said, I raised the way I was raised. "Making more" is not the be all, end all.

Bev

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You all make me sad for not being able to move away from emotional issues of your childhood. There are millions of people with "deficient" childhoods. Truth be told, all parents fall short, some further than others. So, it turns out that what one's parents did are the reasons you decide to do what it is that you decide on.

There is no "credit" for deciding to make love and have children. There is no "credit" for deciding to not do the same. But, move away from making decisions based on what you perceive your parents having done, or not done. My kids, and a whole lot of other people as well, should, on this basis decide not to love a mate, because they saw their parents not do that and get divorced.

There are other ways to look at things. If you live your life afraid of making mistakes, even when other people are involved, you are not really living it. You are just marking time hoping that you avoid the next mistake. And, to boot, you WILL make another mistake. We are all human and stand here imperfect.

Just my thoughts on this. One of the things that I am not saying is that its perfectly ok to bounce around making one mistake after another. Pick a path to go, and go with it, but don't pick a path merely to avoid a certain type of mistake. There are some very rich rewards and fulfillment one could enjoy living life without worry based on someone else's mistakes.

 

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BEVERLE SWEITZER

Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:17 AM

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Amy:

It makes me sad to hear about your childhood. My mother was so awful to me that I was sure I was adopted! Looking back on it I know I could have done so much better as a mother but, as you said, I raised the way I was raised. "Making more" is not the be all, end all.

Bev

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" There is no "credit" for deciding to make love and have children. There is no "credit" for deciding to not do the same. But, move away from making decisions based on what you perceive your parents having done, or not done. "

 

I am afraid I didn't come across very clearly. I gave birth to one and raised 6 others - step children. You can make conscious, informed decisions all day but in times of crisis or high stress you tend to revert and those are the times I regret. I definitely didn't mean for you to think that I am still dwelling on my childhood. First of all I am 61 years old - childhood is a dim memory - and secondly, I didn't figure anyone would give a crap if I was dwelling. I just wanted to say that sometimes parents are the worst thing that can happen to a kid. That is all I am going to contribute to this thread. Thanks for your caring interest. It was nice.

Hugs,

Bev

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Sorry Bev: I know that the response was to your note, but I meant overall. Originally I think someone posted an article. Then, we got a bunch of responses. I was just summing up my take on the overall postings.

My childhood is somewhat distant as well, but, pretty much happy and I find myself wishing to escape and go back now and then. Course, it was an entirely different world too. Often wonder what happened. Course, one of the reasons its a different world is because so many parents did cause so much harm, that their children didn't resolve later and thus created what we now live with.

And.....thanks for "raising six others", especially if you mean adoption. My first grandson got adopted out (very recently), or whatever expression is in vogue for that. I'm thankful that there are people in our world, still, who want to love others.

 

Ed

 

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BEVERLE SWEITZER

Saturday, March 10, 2007 12:08 PM

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" There is no "credit" for deciding to make love and have children. There is no "credit" for deciding to not do the same. But, move away from making decisions based on what you perceive your parents having done, or not done. "

 

I am afraid I didn't come across very clearly. I gave birth to one and raised 6 others - step children. You can make conscious, informed decisions all day but in times of crisis or high stress you tend to revert and those are the times I regret. I definitely didn't mean for you to think that I am still dwelling on my childhood. First of all I am 61 years old - childhood is a dim memory - and secondly, I didn't figure anyone would give a crap if I was dwelling. I just wanted to say that sometimes parents are the worst thing that can happen to a kid. That is all I am going to contribute to this thread. Thanks for your caring interest. It was nice.

Hugs,

Bev

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you are welcome:) i have a child and went thru hell trying to raise her in this mad world and have since met people who had the courage to say they didn't want children and why , so i wanted to pay respect to them by sending this article out so others who have been thinking this way wouldn't feel alone~

 

Hempress

 

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BEVERLE SWEITZER

03/10/07 06:05:28

 

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Thank you for sending that. I am a married woman who gave birth to 1 and raised 6. My son and his wife do not have children and I hope they never do. They are so happy, so in love and having so much fun that I fear a child would ruin all that...most anyway.

Bev

 

 

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Wow, did this thread take off or what? Just thought I'd insert my two

cents here, with no intention of offending anyone.

I had my face reconstructed three times growing up and it was pretty

tough. (genetic bi-lateral 7th nerve facial palsy with facial bone

deformities) Never really thought much of it once I was out of school,

its just who I am. My husband and I do not want children, not because

of my genetic birth defect, but because we simply do not want

children. When I speak to co-workers/friends/family, I do get the " you

don't want kids? " stuff all of the time, like its a sin or something. I

fully respect and honor those who have the courage and patience to have

and raise children, I'm just not one of them. No offence ment to

anyone. ~Rocky

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rachelleward2 writes:

 

My husband and I do not want children, not because of my genetic birth defect, but because we simply do not want children. When I speak to co-workers/friends/family, I do get the "you don't want kids?" stuff all of the time, like its a sin or something. I fully respect and honor those who have the courage and patience to have and raise children, I'm just not one of them. No offence ment to anyone. ~Rocky.>>

 

According to Sen. Barb Boxer of CAL (as addressed to Secr of State Condi Rice), folks who do not have children really "don't have a stake" in the country. Seems odd that a Senator and a woman from California would hold these views, but I'm sure she knows best.

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And the guys who made the constitution thought that the people with all the property should rule the country, so they did. Had to have property to vote.

I think that its a good idea that if you don't want children, then don't have children. If you make children while you don't want children, then the children grow up unwanted. That makes for a bad scene too. Don't know about the steak in the country thing. The various states and federal government would seem to own them anyways, evidence all the things you have to do to your kids to keep those other people happy. Often enough, having children suddenly gives these governments a stake/steak in your own life. Often times politicians say things backwards.

 

 

 

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JazziDJess

Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:13 PM

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rachelleward2 writes:

My husband and I do not want children, not because of my genetic birth defect, but because we simply do not want children. When I speak to co-workers/friends/family, I do get the "you don't want kids?" stuff all of the time, like its a sin or something. I fully respect and honor those who have the courage and patience to have and raise children, I'm just not one of them. No offence ment to anyone. ~Rocky.>> According to Sen. Barb Boxer of CAL (as addressed to Secr of State Condi Rice), folks who do not have children really "don't have a stake" in the country. Seems odd that a Senator and a woman from California would hold these views, but I'm sure she knows best.

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According to Sen. Barb Boxer of CAL (as addressed to Secr of State Condi Rice), folks who do not have children really "don't have a stake" in the country. Seems odd that a Senator and a woman from California would hold these views, but I'm sure she knows best. >>

 

GaiaHemp writes:

Do you have a link that quotes the Senator saying this?

 

Why ask me, when you have the same (one second) Google search ability. Here is Senator Boxer speaking, from an instant google,

 

"Who pays the price?" Boxer asked Rice. "I'm not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old and my grandchild is too young. You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with immediate family."

Boxer tells Secr. Rice that she is not going to pay any price for what happens...because Condi has NO CHILDREN. Using that "logic", a person needs to have children in order to be a real participant in democracy and the future of America. Perhaps, the esteemed Senator is correct.

 

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"If you make children while you don't want children, then the children grow up unwanted. That makes for a bad scene too."

 

You are so right, but most of the time we give all the love possible to our children and they still may act like they are unwanted and make bad scenes for the entire family to have to deal with until we are bankrupted financially and emotionally~ Then on top of that, they may run off and create children themselves and then bring their unwanted children back on us when we in our supposedly in our Golden Years and use our own grandchildren as pawns against us (that has not happen yet to me)~ So i highly commend people that KNOW for sure that they do not want to breed in this day and time!

 

Hempress

 

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Ed Siceloff

03/11/07 17:36:52

 

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And the guys who made the constitution thought that the people with all the property should rule the country, so they did. Had to have property to vote.

I think that its a good idea that if you don't want children, then don't have children. If you make children while you don't want children, then the children grow up unwanted. That makes for a bad scene too. Don't know about the steak in the country thing. The various states and federal government would seem to own them anyways, evidence all the things you have to do to your kids to keep those other people happy. Often enough, having children suddenly gives these governments a stake/steak in your own life. Often times politicians say things backwards.

 

 

 

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JazziDJess (AT) wmconnect (DOT) com

Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:13 PM

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rachelleward2 writes:

My husband and I do not want children, not because of my genetic birth defect, but because we simply do not want children. When I speak to co-workers/friends/family, I do get the "you don't want kids?" stuff all of the time, like its a sin or something. I fully respect and honor those who have the courage and patience to have and raise children, I'm just not one of them. No offence ment to anyone. ~Rocky.>> According to Sen. Barb Boxer of CAL (as addressed to Secr of State Condi Rice), folks who do not have children really "don't have a stake" in the country. Seems odd that a Senator and a woman from California would hold these views, but I'm sure she knows best.

 

 

 

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Do you have a link that quotes the Senator saying this??

 

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JazziDJess

03/11/07 17:14:03

 

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rachelleward2 writes:

My husband and I do not want children, not because of my genetic birth defect, but because we simply do not want children. When I speak to co-workers/friends/family, I do get the "you don't want kids?" stuff all of the time, like its a sin or something. I fully respect and honor those who have the courage and patience to have and raise children, I'm just not one of them. No offence ment to anyone. ~Rocky.>> According to Sen. Barb Boxer of CAL (as addressed to Secr of State Condi Rice), folks who do not have children really "don't have a stake" in the country. Seems odd that a Senator and a woman from California would hold these views, but I'm sure she knows best.

 

 

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GaiaHemp writes:

Everyone here graciously provides links to where we get our info from, why should you be exempt>>

 

If you are "impaired" from some capacity in being able to do a one second Google, email me and I'll arrange helpful tutoring. Now, let's replay that direct quote from Boxer,

 

"Who pays the price?" Boxer asked Rice. "I'm not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old and my grandchild is too young. You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with immediate family."

GaiaHemp writes:

Boxer was making a point that neither she nor Rice (the decision makers) will pay the same price in sending troops into war like that of a parent that has children that may end up in this illegal war today~ She was right to some degree>>

 

In fact, Boxer directly linked a citizen's value to: whether they HAVE CHILDREN. By Boxer's stated assessment, sadly, folks who have no children (I believe you referred to this as "Not Breeding") these folks are LESSER persons and have no instrumental interest in the workings of a Democracy. Perhaps the good Senator is right: a person needs to have children in order to be a real participant in democracy and the future of America.

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Everyone here graciously provides links to where we get our info from, why should you be exempt or was it someone else that left that quote expecting us to just take it on face value without knowing where it came from and reading it for ourselves?

 

 

 

As i read it on Truthout.org, Sen. Boxer was making a point that neither she nor Rice (the decision makers) will pay the same price in sending troops into war like that of a parent that has children that may end up in this illegal war today~ She was right to some degree~ That's the great thing about not having children, one less head to worry about~ But i truly believe childless Leaders should be even more considerate (not that they dont have a stake in this country) when they decide issues for our country as a whole, even more so than those with children who are naturally that way~ She just worded it wrong~ Something like drug addict Rush Limpballs latched on to like the leech he is, as if he has the right to speak at all after all they filthy things that come of his mouth and life??

 

http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/011707WA.shtml

"You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with immediate family. So who pays the price? The American military and their families."

"If you don't have kids, it's hard to put yourself in the position of someone who does," said Martin, 53, who has a 19-year-old son. Martin has opposed the war from the beginning. But as it's gone on, she's grown increasingly fearful that one day, her family might have to confront a reinstated draft.

 

 

 

Hempress

 

 

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JazziDJess

03/11/07 22:28:47

 

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According to Sen. Barb Boxer of CAL (as addressed to Secr of State Condi Rice), folks who do not have children really "don't have a stake" in the country. Seems odd that a Senator and a woman from California would hold these views, but I'm sure she knows best. >> GaiaHemp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net writes:

Do you have a link that quotes the Senator saying this?Why ask me, when you have the same (one second) Google search ability. Here is Senator Boxer speaking, from an instant google, "Who pays the price?" Boxer asked Rice. "I'm not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old and my grandchild is too young. You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with immediate family." Boxer tells Secr. Rice that she is not going to pay any price for what happens...because Condi has NO CHILDREN. Using that "logic", a person needs to have children in order to be a real participant in democracy and the future of America. Perhaps, the esteemed Senator is correct. .

 

 

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LOL!!

 

If i am impaired??

 

ok, i just leave you and your inability to leave links in your post alone after that one~

 

good night!

Hempress

 

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JazziDJess

03/12/07 01:22:05

 

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GaiaHemp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net writes:

Everyone here graciously provides links to where we get our info from, why should you be exempt>> If you are "impaired" from some capacity in being able to do a one second Google, email me and I'll arrange helpful tutoring. Now, let's replay that direct quote from Boxer, "Who pays the price?" Boxer asked Rice. "I'm not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old and my grandchild is too young. You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with immediate family." GaiaHemp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net writes: Boxer was making a point that neither she nor Rice (the decision makers) will pay the same price in sending troops into war like that of a parent that has children that may end up in this illegal war today~ She was right to some degree>> In fact, Boxer directly linked a citizen's value to: whether they HAVE CHILDREN. By Boxer's stated assessment, sadly, folks who have no children (I believe you referred to this as "Not Breeding") these folks are LESSER persons and have no instrumental interest in the workings of a Democracy. Perhaps the good Senator is right: a person needs to have children in order to be a real participant in democracy and the future of America. .

 

 

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why bother having kids when:-they are vaccinated as babies (mandatory) resulting in retardation, autism etc-they are likely to be drafted by the new world order for war-they are mentally programmed by television to be consumers-will be sprayed by chemtrails-will likely become sick from man made diseases-are slated for population control aka deathi love kids but with never ending wars, drafts, ridiculous laws, taxes, eugenics , high cost of private schooling etc etc why bother. you will have enough trouble protecting yourself from the drug companies, oil companies, military ind complex in the coming years. it is simply to risky to raise children now. if there are any single ladies near nyc that agree with me send me an email as i am single and looking.

 

Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business.

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My two cents in response to your reasons for not having kids:

- you can refuse vaccinations based on religious reasons (who cares

if you're lying?)

- they can't be drafted and sent to a war zone if they claim

conscientious objector status

- you can turn off the tv or better yet, get rid of it

- you can build their resistance to chemtrails by eating proper

organic foods and using herbs, flower essences and natural

antibiotics (like colloidal silver)

- they won't get sick if they are taught to use energy medicine and

learn that they have complete control over their health with the

power of their minds

- population control will eventually blow up in the faces of those

who pursue it

 

Sounds like a lot of work but it's worth it. Don't give in to the

bastards who are running the show right now because Gandhi stated the

truth when he said, " When I despair, I remember that all through

history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been

tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the

end, they always fall - think of it, always. "

 

 

 

, Steve <stock_talent

wrote:

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> why bother having kids when:

> -they are vaccinated as babies (mandatory) resulting in

retardation, autism etc

> -they are likely to be drafted by the new world order for war

> -they are mentally programmed by television to be consumers

> -will be sprayed by chemtrails

> -will likely become sick from man made diseases

> -are slated for population control aka death

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> i love kids but with never ending wars, drafts, ridiculous laws,

taxes, eugenics , high cost of private schooling etc etc why bother.

you will have enough trouble protecting yourself from the drug

companies, oil companies, military ind complex in the coming years.

it is simply to risky to raise children now.

>

> if there are any single ladies near nyc that agree with me send me

an email as i am single and looking.

>

>

>

> Get your own web address.

> Have a HUGE year through Small Business.

>

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Single and looking:

You made a good case for not having children. It's the path I followed, and, at close to 70, I'd had nearly zero regrets. I also love children, and don't see why people think you're missing something if you don't "have" them. Has it ever occured to the people that want you to have children, that they are missing something by "not" having them? I think they are, but I know better than to think I can ever persuade most of them.

 

What matters in this life, in my view, is not whether you have children, but how you treat them, and everyone else.

 

jp

 

 

 

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november.gale

Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:42 PM

Re: An Apology for Not Breeding

 

 

My two cents in response to your reasons for not having kids:- you can refuse vaccinations based on religious reasons (who cares if you're lying?)- they can't be drafted and sent to a war zone if they claim conscientious objector status- you can turn off the tv or better yet, get rid of it- you can build their resistance to chemtrails by eating proper organic foods and using herbs, flower essences and natural antibiotics (like colloidal silver)- they won't get sick if they are taught to use energy medicine and learn that they have complete control over their health with the power of their minds- population control will eventually blow up in the faces of those who pursue itSounds like a lot of work but it's worth it. Don't give in to the bastards who are running the show right now because Gandhi stated the truth when he said, "When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall - think of it, always." , Steve <stock_talent wrote:>> why bother having kids when:> -they are vaccinated as babies (mandatory) resulting in retardation, autism etc> -they are likely to be drafted by the new world order for war> -they are mentally programmed by television to be consumers> -will be sprayed by chemtrails> -will likely become sick from man made diseases> -are slated for population control aka death> > i love kids but with never ending wars, drafts, ridiculous laws, taxes, eugenics , high cost of private schooling etc etc why bother. you will have enough trouble protecting yourself from the drug companies, oil companies, military ind complex in the coming years. it is simply to risky to raise children now.> > if there are any single ladies near nyc that agree with me send me an email as i am single and looking.> > > > Get your own web address.> Have a HUGE year through Small Business.>

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counterpnt writes:

 

You made a good case for not having children. It's the path I followed, and, at close to 70, I'd had nearly zero regrets.>>

 

I see some of these folks, in my neighborhood. Often wanting my and other neighborhood children to "do chores, mow lawn, etc". I carefully warn my kids, "No, stay away from those sort". Though I do pity them. They are often the ones raided by the police for "having 57 cats" or taking in dozens of stray dogs. What they are desperately trying to do is: fill the natural void in their psyche, which should have been fulfilled in having a family. Sure, we all have that "Uncle Elmer" or "Auntie Mabel" who never married...for unspecified reasons. And, they don't exactly brighten up the Holidays, if we ever invite them over for dinner. No need to say further.

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This respone amuses me. Now to the facts.

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I do my own chores, and am even reluctant to have grownups, let alone kids, do them for me.

 

I can't stand "pets," though I love animals. I've never owned one, and never will.

I have no desperate need to fill my psyche, or "nautral voids."

 

I've been married for nearly 30 years, to the same woman, a relationship that deepens with time.

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What people like you stubbornly refuse to accept, is that people are different. They have different needs, different expectations, different goals in life.

 

I wouldn't accept you as a model human being, since you seem to express a nearly hateful feeling for single people; and people that don't have children; you want to keep your children "away" them; and you won't have them over for dinner. Where have I heard these attitudes before? I assume you also have separate bathrooms and drinking fountains for us.

 

Don't bother feeling pity for us, we're perfectly content with our life style, and wouldn't have it any other way.

 

jp

 

 

 

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JazziDJess

Sunday, March 18, 2007 3:58 AM

Re: Re: An Apology for Not Breeding

 

 

counterpnt (AT) earthlink (DOT) net writes:

You made a good case for not having children. It's the path I followed, and, at close to 70, I'd had nearly zero regrets.>> I see some of these folks, in my neighborhood. Often wanting my and other neighborhood children to "do chores, mow lawn, etc". I carefully warn my kids, "No, stay away from those sort". Though I do pity them. They are often the ones raided by the police for "having 57 cats" or taking in dozens of stray dogs. What they are desperately trying to do is: fill the natural void in their psyche, which should have been fulfilled in having a family. Sure, we all have that "Uncle Elmer" or "Auntie Mabel" who never married...for unspecified reasons. And, they don't exactly brighten up the Holidays, if we ever invite them over for dinner. No need to say further. .