How humans are not physically created to eat meat

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Although some historians and anthropologists say that man is historically omnivorous, our anatomical equipment ­ teeth, jaws, and digestive system ­ favors a fleshless diet. The American Dietetic Association notes that "most of mankind for most of human history has lived on vegetarian or near-vegetarian diets."

 

And much of the world still lives that way. Even on most industrialized countries, the love affair with meat is less than a hundred years old. It started with the refrigerator car and the twentieth-century consumer society. But even with the twentieth century, man's body hasn't adapted to eating meat. The prominent Swedish scientist Karl von Linne states, "Man's structure, external and internal, compared with that of the other animals, shows that fruit and succulent vegetables constitute his natural food." The chart below compares the anatomy of man with that of carnivorous and herbivorous animals.

 

When you look at the comparison between herbivores and humans, we compare much more closely to herbivores than meat eating animals. Humans are clearly not designed to digest and ingest meat.

 

Meat-eaters: have claws

Herbivores: no claws

Humans: no claws

 

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue

Herbivores: perspire through skin pores

Humans: perspire through skin pores

 

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding

Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

 

Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly

Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

 

Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat

Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

 

Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.

Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits

Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

 

Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Based on a chart by A.D. Andrews, Fit Food for Men, (Chicago: American Hygiene Society, 1970)

 

 

Clearly if humans were meant to eat meat we wouldn't have so many crucial ingestive/digestive similarities with animals that are herbivores.

 

Many people ask me, "If we weren't supposed to eat meat than why do we?". It is because we are conditioned to eat meat. Also, the ADA (American Dietetic Association) tells us that "most of mankind for most of human history has lived on a vegetarian or Lacto-ovo vegetarian diet.

 

A popular statement that meat eaters say is; "In the wild, animals kill other animals for food. It's nature." First of all, we are not in the wild. Secondly, we can easily live without eating meat and killing, not to mention we'd be healthier. And finally, as I have already shown, we weren't meant to eat meat. Meat and seafood putrefies within 4 hours after consumption and the remnants cling to the walls of the stomach and intestines for 3-4 days or longer than if a person is constipated. Furthermore, the reaction of saliva in humans is more alkaline, whereas in the case of flesh-eating or preying animals, it is clearly acidic. The alkaline saliva does not act properly on meat.

 

The final point I would like to make on how we as humans were not meant to eat meat is this. All omnivorous and carnivorous animals eat their meat raw. When a lion kills an herbivore for food, it tears right into the stomach area to eat the organs that are filled with blood (nutrients). While eating the stomach, liver, intestine, etc., the lion laps the blood in the process of eating the dead animals flesh. Even bears that are omnivores eat salmon raw. However, eating raw or bloody meat disgust us as humans. Therefore, we must cook it and season it to buffer the taste of flesh.

 

If a deer is burned in a forest fire, a carnivorous animal will NOT eat its flesh. Even circus lions have to be feed raw meat so that they will not starve to death. If humans were truly meant to eat meat, then we would eat all of our meat raw and bloody. The thought of eating such meat makes one’s stomach turn. This is my point on how we as humans are conditioned to believe that animal flesh is good for us and that we were meant to consume it for survival and health purposes. If we are true carnivores or omnivores, cooking our meat and seasoning it with salt, ketchup, or tabasco sauce would disguise and we as humans would refuse to eat our meat in this form.

 

Overall advantages of vegetarianism

You can indeed reap a lot of benefits by being a vegetarian and people have become more aware of the health benefits of being a vegetarian. Animal rights issues is only one of the reasons why people decide to go on a vegetarian diet. People are beginning to care more about the environment. However, the main reason why people go on vegetarian diet is because of health benefits.

 

Meat is not good for you as it clogs your thinking. This is especially true if you eat red meat; white meat has less fat compared to red meat. Excessive intake of fats into your body can result in having a high level of cholesterol. If you think that not eating meat is going to make you look scrawny or unhealthy please think again. Just imagine that cows, goats, gorillas, elephants, rhinoceroses and so on are all vegetarians (herbivores) but look at how tough these animals are, not to mention their life span which is longer compared to the carnivores (meat eating animals).

 

If you look at the chicken and vulture (carnivores), these animals eat just about everything and notice how unhealthy these animals look. The Chinese believe that the chi or life force in your body is less when you consume meat and so do the Indians with their ancient yogic principles, their life force was called prana.

 

The great Tai Chi masters of China were adept at preserving their chi, even if some of the masters were not vegetarians, they still had a balanced diet. It has now been scientifically proven that a balanced vegetarian diet is better compared to a diet that is taken with meat.

 

There are a lot of misconceptions about being a vegetarian; protein is one of the main topics of debate as a lot of people think that you can only get protein from meat. Vegetarians get a lot of protein, if they eat a variety of fruits, vegetables, grains and legumes. What vegetarians don't get is the excess protein of traditional American diet, excess that leads to kidney overload and mineral deficiency diseases.

 

A lot of people also think that a vegetarian diet is not a balanced diet. Vegetarian diets have a proportion of three macronutrients, which are complex carbohydrates, protein, and fat. Vegetarian food sources (plants) tend to be higher sources of most micronutrients. Another myth that needs to be clarified is the so-called lack of calcium among vegetarians. Many vegetables, especially green, leafy ones, have a good supply of calcium. The truth is that vegetarians suffer less from osteoporosis (a deficiency of calcium that leads to weak bones).

 

It is not my intention to force people to become vegetarians. However, vegetarianism is my answer to complete health and wholeness. The three issues to consider in regard to vegetarianism are: spiritual, mental, and physical (nutritional).

 

The spiritually aspiring person attempts to work on his/her self. The purpose of spiritual growth is to move away from the animal nature into the more human nature that God intended for us to have. Meat eating inhibits this. Again, the same science that sometimes attempts to ignore the existence of a force higher than man also has proved, in the laboratory, that aggression levels are much higher in meat eaters than non-meat eaters! The animal instincts become more powerful every time you eat meat. Another spiritual aspect of being a meat eater is when one must question the necessity and the method as well as the karma of killing animals. However, everyone has their own mores which they must determine for themselves. It is not the purpose of my dissertation to force a specific moral behavior on anyone. Most spiritual people believe auras. Kirilian photography shows us that a force field remains around dead or amputated tissue. You adopt that animal aura when you eat a dead animal. Fruits and vegetables have a higher vibrational aura than animal products. Is it not personal evolution that the spiritual candidate is interested in? If so, meat eating is urgently prohibited.

 

“You are what you eat”, is a slogan that I love to use to show the mental aspect of vegetarianism. When animals are slaughtered, fear and aggression enzymes are shot into their cells from their glands and other organs, just as in humans, and are part of the dead carcass that goes on to the food store. They remain in the meat until the consumer ingests those same enzymes, which are molecularly very similar to those found in humans. Fruits and vegetables do not have emotions; therefore, when they are picked they do not release any emotions cells prior to digestion. The enzymes within fruits and vegetables supply the body with sufficient nutrients that will always uphold a healthy state of mind.

 

Fruits and vegetables are high in nutrients; the very thing the body needs to live a long disease and pain free life. The same cannot be said for meat. Nutritionally, the alkaline-based digestive system of humans will not properly break down substantial acid substances, the greatest of which is meat.

 

Colon cancer is rampant! This is caused by the slow evacuation and the putrefaction in the colon of the remains of meat. Lifelong vegetarians never suffer from such an illness. Many meat eaters believe that meat is the sole source of protein. However, the quality of this protein is so poor that little of it can ever be utilized by humans because it is incomplete and lacks the correct combination of amino acids, the building blocks of protein. Studies show that the average American gets five times the amount of protein needed. It is a common medical fact that excess protein is dangerous, the prime danger being that uric acid (the waste product produced in the process of digesting protein) attacks the kidneys, breaking down the kidney cells called nephrons. This condition is called nephritis; the prime cause of it is overburdening the kidneys. More usable protein is found in one tablespoon of tofu or soybeans than the average serving of meat!

 

Have you ever seen what happens to a piece of meat that stays in the sun for three days? Meat can stay in the warmth of the intestine for at least four days until it is digested. It does nothing but wait for passage. Often, it usually stays there for

much longer, traces remaining for up to several months. Colonic therapists always see meat passing through in people who have been vegetarians for several years, thus indicating that meat remains undigested there for a long time. Occasionally this has been documented in twenty-year vegetarians!

 

Some vegetarians claim they are more satisfied after they eat. The reason for this is that there are fewer ketones (protein-digestive substances) formed when vegetable protein is digested. For many, ketones cause a trace amount of nausea which one normally interprets as a decreased desire for food due to this uncomfortable and slight degree of queasiness. Although the body calls for more food, the taste buds tolerate less. This is the danger of the popular high-protein diet substances on the market. This abnormally high level of ketones is called ketosis and refers to the state of starvation that the body incurs due to the inability of the appetite to call for nutrition. Most Americans who eat the wrong

type of carbohydrates never recognize the high amount of complex carbohydrates required to overthrow this condition. Also, when the blood ketone level is too high, it results in abnormally acidic blood, called acidosis.

 

Tigers or lions who eat meat and grow strong on it have acid-based digestive systems. Our Hydrochloric Acid isn’t strong enough to fully digest meat. Also, their intestines are in a straight run of about five feet long, not twisted and turned, layer over layer, compacted into a small area like the human intestine, which is twenty feet long.

 

Meats are frozen for a long period of times. Some meat (especially poultry) is frozen up to two years. Cold temperatures do not kill all species of bacteria. Worse than this, as it is shipped and stored, most frozen meat is thawed and refrozen many times. This is almost unavoidable.

 

Meat eaters suffer more frequently from various types of food poisoning than vegetarian eaters, so much so that statistics show that every American has had food poisoning on at least one occasion. When you've felt ill, out-of-sorts, had

diarrhea, or were just a little sick to your stomach, no doubt you had not the slightest idea that you had been poisoned by scavengers living off the dead carcass you just ate.

 

Meat is costly and it is the most wasteful source of resources. When one removes meat from his or her diet, a whole new world of eating opens up. Cooking and preparing vegetarian style is no more time consuming than cooking meat. It costs less than half as much to eat vegetarian as it does to eat meat. There are excellent, nutritious, and easy to prepare vegetarian dishes that are Italian, Chinese, Indian, Mid-Eastern, French, Spanish, etc.

 

Additionally, one can enjoy many other foods that he has never tasted because of the meat craze. Most consumers have eaten no more than five or six varieties of beans and legumes — less than 10% of what is available and grains, including different appetizing types of wheat, nuts, and seeds. And they can be prepared very creatively!

 

In my opinion, there are far more benefits to becoming a vegetarian then there are becoming or staying a meat eater. Due to the fact that I was raised on meat, I have the wonderful experiences from both worlds. As a meat eater, I was constantly sick, tired, and overweight. As a vegetarian, I am healthy, full of energy, and maintaining a perfect weight. I love being a vegetarian and it shows. Because I wish the best for myself, it’s just second nature to want the best for others. From my past experience and research, going vegetarian is the best thing anyone can do for their mind, body and spirit.

 

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GaiaHemp aka Hempress

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We have canine teeth for a reason though

 

Duncan

[Guest guest]

and we only sweat from our noses, pads of our paws and tongues for a reason;)

 

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Duncan Crow

02/23/07 11:20:25

 

Re: How humans are not physically created to eat meat

 

 

We have canine teeth for a reason though ;)Duncan

 

[Guest guest]

Spoken like a vegetarian no doubt. I ask again, what do you suppose

canine teeth are for, if not for eating meat?

 

Duncan

[Guest guest]

You mean spoken like a Vegan, and why are you asking about canine teeth, which are meant to eat raw meat, when the subject is about Humans not meant to eat other animals??

 

 

 

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Duncan Crow

02/23/07 12:17:14

 

Re: How humans are not physically created to eat meat

 

 

Spoken like a vegetarian no doubt. I ask again, what do you suppose canine teeth are for, if not for eating meat?Duncan

 

[Guest guest]

ok, i didn't know our teeth were also called canine teeth, so to your question just read the articles, ok?

 

 

“Aren't humans natural carnivores?”http://www.peta.org/about/faq-veg.asp

"Humans have flat, flexible nails, and our so-called “canine” teeth are minuscule compared to those of carnivores and even compared to vegetarian primates like gorillas and orangutans."

 

Humans are Omnivores

http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm

"Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns."

 

Eating meat isn't natural

http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html

"They somehow seem to believe that every strong and evidenced point I make somehow disappears into thin air when they present their lone argument, such as that humans have canine teeth. Please don't fall into that trap."

 

 

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Duncan Crow

02/23/07 12:17:14

 

Re: How humans are not physically created to eat meat

 

 

Spoken like a vegetarian no doubt. I ask again, what do you suppose canine teeth are for, if not for eating meat?Duncan

 

[Guest guest]

I mean to say, are other animals not made of meat, and are canine

teeth in humans not meant for meat? Raw or cooked is irrelevant.

 

I note the vegan point has not been proven; it's just an emotional

argument, that's all. The vegetarian myths on Mercola is a good

article. Here's the link:

http://www.mercola.com/2000/apr/2/vegetarian_myths.htm

 

Duncan

 

, " HAH " <GaiaHemp wrote:

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> You mean spoken like a Vegan, and why are you asking about canine

teeth,

> which are meant to eat raw meat, when the subject is about Humans

not meant

> to eat other animals??

>

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> Duncan Crow

> 02/23/07 12:17:14

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> Re: How humans are not physically

created to

> eat meat

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> Spoken like a vegetarian no doubt. I ask again, what do you suppose

> canine teeth are for, if not for eating meat?

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

Humans are probaly not carnivores but are certainly omnivores;

omnivores posess characteristics for efficiently eating meat as well

as vegetables. Emotional arguments aside, there's no denying the

genetics.

 

Duncan

 

, " HAH " <GaiaHemp wrote:

>

> ok, i didn't know our teeth were also called canine teeth, so to your

> question just read the articles, ok?

[Guest guest]

Duncan

Do you suppose that, setting aside whether we "can" eat a food, or "can" survive on it, that there are foods to which the human is "ideally" suited; or, to which one human type is more suited than other types?

john polifronio

 

 

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Duncan Crow

Friday, February 23, 2007 3:56 PM

Re: How humans are not physically created to eat meat

 

 

Humans are probaly not carnivores but are certainly omnivores; omnivores posess characteristics for efficiently eating meat as well as vegetables. Emotional arguments aside, there's no denying the genetics.Duncan , "HAH" <GaiaHemp wrote:>> ok, i didn't know our teeth were also called canine teeth, so to your> question just read the articles, ok?

[Guest guest]

The Meat "flesh" Industry has a lot of power and it appears Dr. Mercola, who used to be a evangelical Christian, that are also Dominionistic in their views of other species, is a very good ally for them in his case studies, but i dont follow as millions others that dont care to eat flesh~

 

 

As a evolving conscientious objector, liberating oneself from eating dead and sometimes rotting and always dis-eased corpses is more than an emotional reason, its a health and environmental reason, as well, which Dr Mercola would disagree with, but since you brought up emotion, i would never put anything into my body without my emotions connected to it,, never did i want to after i was near Chicago's Stock Yard as a child, now that was emotional!

 

thanks for the read~

 

Hempress

 

 

 

 

 

"The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than blacks were made for whites, or woman for man."-- Alice WalkerAuthor of 'The Color Purple'

 

"The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man." -- Charles Darwin.

 

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Duncan Crow

02/23/07 15:52:53

 

Re: How humans are not physically created to eat meat

 

 

I mean to say, are other animals not made of meat, and are canine teeth in humans not meant for meat? Raw or cooked is irrelevant.I note the vegan point has not been proven; it's just an emotional argument, that's all. The vegetarian myths on Mercola is a good article. Here's the link:http://www.mercola.com/2000/apr/2/vegetarian_myths.htmDuncan--- In , "HAH" <GaiaHemp wrote:>> You mean spoken like a Vegan, and why are you asking about canine teeth,> which are meant to eat raw meat, when the subject is about Humans not meant> to eat other animals?? > > > > ----> > Duncan Crow> 02/23/07 12:17:14> > Re: How humans are not physically created to> eat meat> > Spoken like a vegetarian no doubt. I ask again, what do you suppose > canine teeth are for, if not for eating meat?> > Duncan>

 

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I was born in Chicago, and will never forget the times my dad took our family for various trips out of our city, when we passed close to the stockyards. The stench was devastating and horrible. I'm nearly 70 years old, and this memory, when I was a child of 5, or a little older (we left Chicago when I was 12), is imprinted indelibly in my memory till my dying breath.

jp

 

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HAH

Friday, February 23, 2007 7:24 PM

Re: Re: How humans are not physically created to eat meat

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Meat "flesh" Industry has a lot of power and it appears Dr. Mercola, who used to be a evangelical Christian, that are also Dominionistic in their views of other species, is a very good ally for them in his case studies, but i dont follow as millions others that dont care to eat flesh~

 

 

As a evolving conscientious objector, liberating oneself from eating dead and sometimes rotting and always dis-eased corpses is more than an emotional reason, its a health and environmental reason, as well, which Dr Mercola would disagree with, but since you brought up emotion, i would never put anything into my body without my emotions connected to it,, never did i want to after i was near Chicago's Stock Yard as a child, now that was emotional!

 

thanks for the read~

 

Hempress

 

 

 

 

 

"The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than blacks were made for whites, or woman for man."-- Alice WalkerAuthor of 'The Color Purple'

 

"The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man." -- Charles Darwin.

 

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Duncan Crow

02/23/07 15:52:53

 

Re: How humans are not physically created to eat meat

 

 

I mean to say, are other animals not made of meat, and are canine teeth in humans not meant for meat? Raw or cooked is irrelevant.I note the vegan point has not been proven; it's just an emotional argument, that's all. The vegetarian myths on Mercola is a good article. Here's the link:http://www.mercola.com/2000/apr/2/vegetarian_myths.htmDuncan--- In , "HAH" <GaiaHemp wrote:>> You mean spoken like a Vegan, and why are you asking about canine teeth,> which are meant to eat raw meat, when the subject is about Humans not meant> to eat other animals?? > > > > ----> > Duncan Crow> 02/23/07 12:17:14> > Re: How humans are not physically created to> eat meat> > Spoken like a vegetarian no doubt. I ask again, what do you suppose > canine teeth are for, if not for eating meat?> > Duncan>

 

[Guest guest]

The research on blood group classification and diet

can provide scientific basis to non-vege Vs

vegetarians. I think it was the father and son Dr.

Amato team who came up with the finding that, for

example O blood group people do need meat as the O

blood group is the group of the first humans before

the advent of agriculture. So their blood could not

produce enzymes needed to digest vege food. The blood

of O blood people will treat the vege food particles

as foreign bodies.

Ratan.

--- Duncan Crow <duncancrow wrote:

 

> I mean to say, are other animals not made of meat,

> and are canine

> teeth in humans not meant for meat? Raw or cooked is

> irrelevant.

>

> I note the vegan point has not been proven; it's

> just an emotional

> argument, that's all. The vegetarian myths on

> Mercola is a good

> article. Here's the link:

>

http://www.mercola.com/2000/apr/2/vegetarian_myths.htm

>

> Duncan

>

> , " HAH "

> <GaiaHemp wrote:

> >

> > You mean spoken like a Vegan, and why are you

> asking about canine

> teeth,

> > which are meant to eat raw meat, when the subject

> is about Humans

> not meant

> > to eat other animals??

> >

> >

> >

> > ----

> >

> > Duncan Crow

> > 02/23/07 12:17:14

> >

> > Re: How humans are

> not physically

> created to

> > eat meat

> >

> > Spoken like a vegetarian no doubt. I ask again,

> what do you suppose

> > canine teeth are for, if not for eating meat?

> >

> > Duncan

> >

>

>

>

 

 

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University Medical School, Philadelphia, USA);

- Hypnotist, Biofeedback and Meditation Therapist.

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->Consultant Nutritional & Clinical Psychologist in Jaipur Hospital, India.

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I'm type O- and have Peter D'Adamo's (that's his name) book, but as a Vegan i am not having a problem with digesting vegs, in fact i'm doing much better, and get my protein (which is said to be different proteins) from the whole foods i do consume~ I dont agree with Dr Mercola on his views about consuming flesh and here are his views about blood types below, i found this info on the same page about what he says about Vegetarianism~ You'll have to scroll all the way to the bottom to find this part below~

 

 

http://www.mercola.com/2000/apr/2/vegetarian_myths.htm

NOTE ON BLOOD TYPING THEORIES There is a nutritional "fad" at the present time, spurred on by the book, Eat Right 4 Your Type, by Peter D'Adamo, ND (Putnam; USA, 1996). The main tenet of the book is that the four major blood types (O, A, B, AB) evolved sequentially as humans colonised the Earth. Anthropologists, however, have disputed this and have produced considerable evidence that all four types were present at the same time. On top of this obvious difficulty is the reality that there are well over 400 blood types found in human beings! Though most of these are confined to small groups of isolated peoples, the fact remains that such diversity argues against the blood type/nutrition theory. Clinically, I have seen patients who have had a lack of stomach acid who were type Os. According to the theory, type Os should produce plenty of HCL acid to handle more meats. Additionally, I have seen blood type As with no HCL acid deficiencies. According to the theory, type As should have low HCL levels. Such experiences strongly argue against the blood typing/food theory. For more detail on this subject, I refer readers to the article, "Eat Right 4 Your Type Hype," by Sally Eauclaire Osborne, published in The Price-Pottenger Nutrition Journal, Winter 1998, link to "Eat Right 4 Your Type Hype," by Sally Eauclaire Osborne.

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02/25/07 08:50:21

 

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The research on blood group classification and dietcan provide scientific basis to non-vege Vsvegetarians. I think it was the father and son Dr.Amato team who came up with the finding that, forexample O blood group people do need meat as the Oblood group is the group of the first humans beforethe advent of agriculture. So their blood could notproduce enzymes needed to digest vege food. The bloodof O blood people will treat the vege food particlesas foreign bodies.Ratan.--- Duncan Crow <duncancrow (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote:> I mean to say, are other animals not made of meat,> and are canine > teeth in humans not meant for meat? Raw or cooked is> irrelevant.> > I note the vegan point has not been proven; it's> just an emotional > argument, that's all. The vegetarian myths on> Mercola is a good > article. Here's the link:>http://www.mercola.com/2000/apr/2/vegetarian_myths.htm> > Duncan> > , "HAH"> <GaiaHemp wrote:> >> > You mean spoken like a Vegan, and why are you> asking about canine > teeth,> > which are meant to eat raw meat, when the subject> is about Humans > not meant> > to eat other animals?? > > > > > > > > ----> > > > Duncan Crow> > 02/23/07 12:17:14> > > > Re: How humans are> not physically > created to> > eat meat> > > > Spoken like a vegetarian no doubt. I ask again,> what do you suppose > > canine teeth are for, if not for eating meat?> > > > Duncan> >> > > Ratan SinghPhone: 91 141 2652561Address: 7- NA- 16Jawahar NagarJaipur- 302004 INDIA----------- Certificate in Food & Nutrition;- Author of "Nutrition & Supplements in Major Mental Illnesses";- M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.;- Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. Wolpe's Unit, Temple University Medical School, Philadelphia, USA);- Hypnotist, Biofeedback and Meditation Therapist.- Family, Marital and Sex Therapist.->Consultant Nutritional & Clinical Psychologist in Jaipur Hospital, India.psych_58 , www.jaipurmart.com/trade/meditationandhealth,meditationandcancer-________Never Miss an EmailStay connected with Mail on your mobile. Get started!http://mobile./services?promote=mail

 

[Guest guest]

I've sen people of both blood types who were deficient in stomach HCl

(keyword: hypochlorhydria). All it takes is intestinal malabsorption

of zinc and a couple of vitamins, usually due to bowel dysbiosis.

 

Duncan

 

 

 

, " HAH " <GaiaHemp wrote:

>

> I'm type O- and have Peter D'Adamo's (that's his name) book, but

as a Vegan

> i am not having a problem with digesting vegs, in fact i'm doing

much better

> and get my protein (which is said to be different proteins) from

the whole

> foods i do consume~ I dont agree with Dr Mercola on his views about

> consuming flesh and here are his views about blood types below, i

found this

> info on the same page about what he says about Vegetarianism~

You'll have to

> scroll all the way to the bottom to find this part below~

>

>

> http://www.mercola.com/2000/apr/2/vegetarian_myths.htm

> NOTE ON BLOOD TYPING THEORIES

> There is a nutritional " fad " at the present time, spurred on by the

book,

> Eat Right 4 Your Type, by Peter D'Adamo, ND (Putnam; USA, 1996).

The main

> tenet of the book is that the four major blood types (O, A, B, AB)

evolved

> sequentially as humans colonised the Earth. Anthropologists,

however, have

> disputed this and have produced considerable evidence that all four

types

> were present at the same time. On top of this obvious difficulty is

the

> reality that there are well over 400 blood types found in human

beings!

> Though most of these are confined to small groups of isolated

peoples, the

> fact remains that such diversity argues against the blood

type/nutrition

> theory.

> Clinically, I have seen patients who have had a lack of stomach

acid who

> were type Os. According to the theory, type Os should produce

plenty of HCL

> acid to handle more meats. Additionally, I have seen blood type As

with no

> HCL acid deficiencies. According to the theory, type As should have

low HCL

> levels. Such experiences strongly argue against the blood

typing/food theory

>

> For more detail on this subject, I refer readers to the

article, " Eat Right

> 4 Your Type Hype, " by Sally Eauclaire Osborne, published in The

> Price-Pottenger Nutrition Journal, Winter 1998, link to " Eat Right

4 Your

> Type Hype, " by Sally Eauclaire Osborne.

> Author's Notes:

>

> ----

>

> psych doc

> 02/25/07 08:50:21

>

> Re: Re: How humans are not physically

created

> to eat meat

>

> The research on blood group classification and diet

> can provide scientific basis to non-vege Vs

> vegetarians. I think it was the father and son Dr.

> Amato team who came up with the finding that, for

> example O blood group people do need meat as the O

> blood group is the group of the first humans before

> the advent of agriculture. So their blood could not

> produce enzymes needed to digest vege food. The blood

> of O blood people will treat the vege food particles

> as foreign bodies.

> Ratan.

> --- Duncan Crow <duncancrow wrote:

>

> > I mean to say, are other animals not made of meat,

> > and are canine

> > teeth in humans not meant for meat? Raw or cooked is

> > irrelevant.

> >

> > I note the vegan point has not been proven; it's

> > just an emotional

> > argument, that's all. The vegetarian myths on

> > Mercola is a good

> > article. Here's the link:

> >

> http://www.mercola.com/2000/apr/2/vegetarian_myths.htm

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> > , " HAH "

> > <GaiaHemp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > You mean spoken like a Vegan, and why are you

> > asking about canine

> > teeth,

> > > which are meant to eat raw meat, when the subject

> > is about Humans

> > not meant

> > > to eat other animals??

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----

> > >

> > > Duncan Crow

> > > 02/23/07 12:17:14

> > >

> > > Re: How humans are

> > not physically

> > created to

> > > eat meat

> > >

> > > Spoken like a vegetarian no doubt. I ask again,

> > what do you suppose

> > > canine teeth are for, if not for eating meat?

> > >

> > > Duncan

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

> Ratan Singh

> Phone: 91 141 2652561

> Address: 7- NA- 16

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How about we forget about canines for as minute and just go to

scripture....What did God say was provided for us in Genesis, don't recall

anything about meat! And Jesus did say that we were not to partake of the

sacrafice's [ the only thing sacraficed in those days were animals] and

just as an aside, it's not the vegetarians who are keeping the colo-rectal

surgeons busy and making chemo into a 100 billion $$ a year industry!!!

Do you need to be reminded that all flesh turns the body acid and cancer

loves an acid environment?? Mad cow disease anyone!!! How about bovine

growth hormones, anti-biotics, vaccines and who knows what else!! Ya'll go

ahead!!! Maybe spend a day down wind from a feed lot or how about a hog

factory farm, maybe eat a fresh caught fish downstream? [ in North Carolina

streams, you're probably safer playing russian roulette] Kraig

 

 

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Here comes the religion thing. This should finally settle the debate, eh?

 

Ed

 

 

 

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The Havens

Monday, February 26, 2007 5:57 PM

Re: How humans are not physically created to eat meat

 

 

How about we forget about canines for as minute and just go to scripture....What did God say was provided for us in Genesis, don't recall anything about meat! And Jesus did say that we were not to partake of the sacrafice's [ the only thing sacraficed in those days were animals] and just as an aside, it's not the vegetarians who are keeping the colo-rectal surgeons busy and making chemo into a 100 billion $$ a year industry!!! Do you need to be reminded that all flesh turns the body acid and cancer loves an acid environment?? Mad cow disease anyone!!! How about bovine growth hormones, anti-biotics, vaccines and who knows what else!! Ya'll go ahead!!! Maybe spend a day down wind from a feed lot or how about a hog factory farm, maybe eat a fresh caught fish downstream? [ in North Carolina streams, you're probably safer playing russian roulette] Kraig

 

 

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4 Then God said: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all the wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground."

 

 

People who take that book/scripts literally has caused the extinction and horrible deaths of many living creatures and everything else upon our glorious green earth~ Birds and fish and everything else was doing just fine for millions of years before one of many authors wrote that Dominionistic script in that book~

 

so please, lets leave religion out of this~

 

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02/26/07 17:28:19

 

Re: Re: How humans are not physically created to eat meat

 

 

 

Here comes the religion thing. This should finally settle the debate, eh?

 

Ed

 

 

 

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The Havens

Monday, February 26, 2007 5:57 PM

Re: How humans are not physically created to eat meat

 

 

How about we forget about canines for as minute and just go to scripture....What did God say was provided for us in Genesis, don't recall anything about meat! And Jesus did say that we were not to partake of the sacrafice's [ the only thing sacraficed in those days were animals] and just as an aside, it's not the vegetarians who are keeping the colo-rectal surgeons busy and making chemo into a 100 billion $$ a year industry!!! Do you need to be reminded that all flesh turns the body acid and cancer loves an acid environment?? Mad cow disease anyone!!! How about bovine growth hormones, anti-biotics, vaccines and who knows what else!! Ya'll go ahead!!! Maybe spend a day down wind from a feed lot or how about a hog factory farm, maybe eat a fresh caught fish downstream? [ in North Carolina streams, you're probably safer playing russian roulette] Kraig

 

 

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Well Ed, reason, logic physiology and science didn't get to far....but

just so you know , i have nothing to do with religion...religion is

responsible for more death and destruction on this planet than even the

illumanati are! But, [and this has nothing to do with religion] Jesus

said that the bible should never have been written, it should have been

spoken!! You do know that ?? Some enlightened soul once said " that as

long as we kill to eat, there will be war " !! Currently there are about 150

armed conflicts globally!!! Kraig

 

 

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My point on religion, and what you say is religion as what you say is what you value and it doesn't need to be organized to be religious. Everybody has "religion." Everybody has their own world and life view, and that can be broken down into a group of presuppositions that are held in the faith that they are true. How you would read the Scriptures, and what you as an individual get out of them depends on this world and life view (your presuppositions). That is why there is ceaseless debate.

I read them and I don't get "hah's" dominionistic opinion from them. Most of Christianity does. She would seem to be aligned against that interpretation and possibly thinks that all of the Scriptures have that. I don't know this, and she hasn't said quite that. But when I read the Genesis account, what I get out of it is that mankind is put into a particular position in the Creation and that really involves working with everything and that work is accomplished not in a matter of making slaves of everything but rather in serving all of everything else. Not being a slave though. Just recognizing one's place. But then recognizing one's place gets open up to all sorts of debate as well. But I've always thought that the dominion thing, if ever having had been there (and it is not really as nothing is given to just use up to anybody), would have/should have been done away with by the concept of "the first shall be last and the last shall be first" and associated concepts.

But your first line below, is, to me, ludicrous. Reason, logic, physiology and science, are also all dependent upon world and life view presuppositions for getting either rational propositional truth (reason and logic) or pragmatic truth operational to the eye of the beholder, or operator in relation to physiology (the doctor, or even ourselves in terms of what we want to do with our bodies); and science as well. What each person observes as truth absolutely relies on the values that he comes to the examination with. Those values can not and are not ever put aside. They can change over time, when things happen from outside of the world and life experience of the individual, and are not explanable within the context of the individual's present belief system. An instance of that would be the World Trade Center falling as in a controlled demolition, and a person observes that while believing in a US government that he "worships" and serves. And then the explanation of terrorism for the controlled demolition just does not fit. So other explanations are sought.

And, so, I don't agree with the quoting of scriptures to prove something. They only prove anything to the choir. They are absolutely nothing to a person who doesn't believe in those same scriptures. Expressions of one's world and life view are useful to reveal oneself and how one thinks and to better communication with each other, but they are useless in terms of proving things, even in terms of articulating operational models of existence. That is your operational model, and it may correspond more or less with reality, but it remains yours. And mine, or yours, or Dr. Mercola's, or anybody elses have to retain as much validity as anybody else's out of respect for the individual. There is "truth" out there. And one might say reality is truth. But, we are all of us fallible in our own cognizance of it, as well as in our own articulation of it.

The elephant remained an elephant. But they didn't see it that way.

 

Now, where in the world does "Jesus" say that the Bible should have never been written? It says of itself in relation to at least the part the Moses is said to author that the 10 commandments were written by the finger of the Creator. Never meant to be written?

At any rate, ....your appeal was to "divine revelation and the authority it would impose." But that divine revelation is not accepted by everybody. That was my note. And I think that it is why the group here tries to stay away from explicitly religious quotations of proof dependent upon authority that comes from "elsewhere."

The whole debate on the subject matter is a presuppositional debate, but up to your statement it was not based on the invoking of divine authority.

 

Ed

 

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The Havens

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:24 AM

Re: How humans are not physically created to eat meat

 

 

Well Ed, reason, logic physiology and science didn't get to far....but just so you know , i have nothing to do with religion...religion is responsible for more death and destruction on this planet than even the illumanati are! But, [and this has nothing to do with religion] Jesus said that the bible should never have been written, it should have been spoken!! You do know that ?? Some enlightened soul once said " that as long as we kill to eat, there will be war"!! Currently there are about 150 armed conflicts globally!!! Kraig

 

 

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One subtle aspect we tend to often ignore is that the animal's

vibration is lower than a human's vibration, although scientists can't

measure vibration or consciousness and yet many of us believe in such

differences. Consuming animals allows the animal's vibration to effect

the human consumer's vibration and is a major reason why certain

cultures banned eating flesh: you take on lower animal energies and

the karma of the animal. The vibrational levels of animals is entirely

distinct from the slaughter process itself which Eric Schlosser writes

about in his bestselling book Fast Food Nation. Anyway the

animal's life is ended will also leave a strong fear vibration in the

tissue biochemistry since I don't think there is a peaceful method of

terminating their life. These issues go beyond our current day

science. Schlosser was still a flesh eater when I heard him speak

about ten years ago but was working on changing.

 

Why synthetic is different than natural

 

Homeopathy has faced the question of subtle vibrational

differences between natural vs synthetic substances. German scientist

Rudolph Hauschka's book The Nature of Substance investigated

the subtle differences between natural vs synthetic substances by

considering that vibrational aspects are present in all matter from

the tiniest atom to the cosmos. He tested Benzoic Acid in a series of

experiments! Natural Benzoic Acid prepared from a natural plant source

was tested along with Synthetic Benzoic Acid made from Coal Tar. The

two types of Benzoic Acid are chemically identical or

indistinguishable as far as the numbers of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen

atoms. When the homeopathic remedies were prepared, major differences

emerged between the two types of Benzoic Acid. The 100% Natural

Benzoic Acid possessed all the desired healing properties a

homeopath would expect, while the Synthetic Benzoic Acid had no

healing properties.

 

My point is that subtle energy, vibrational and consciousness

differences exist between human beings, animals and other forms of

matter. Dr. Emoto's research seems to bearing out subtle vibrational

differences in crystalline structures that quantum physics may help to

explain. Having worked in a natural products chemistry laboratory for

years, crystallization of new molecules is an art form because

molecules seem to have a personality of their own that defies

traditional chemistry and physics. Some people were skilled at the art

of crystallization and others were not so lucky. Even Nobel laureates

in Medicine & Physiology James D. Watson and Francis Crick in

their DNA original research described how difficult it was to

initially crystallize the first DNA molecules out of solution they

needed for x-ray crystallography, without which their DNA structural

analysis would have gone no where.

 

Neil Carman

 

 

At 9:24 AM -0500 2/27/07, The Havens wrote:

Well Ed, reason, logic physiology and

science didn't get to far....but

just so you know , i have nothing to do with religion...religion

is

responsible for more death and destruction on this planet than even

the

illumanati are! But, [and this has nothing to do with religion]

Jesus

said that the bible should never have been written, it should have

been

spoken!! You do know that ?? Some enlightened soul once said "

that as

long as we kill to eat, there will be war " !! Currently there are

about 150

armed conflicts globally!!! Kraig

 

 

 

 

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In terms of vibrations, would not plant life be of a different vibration than that of humans as well? I don't question your point, except to think that anything we eat is of a different vibrational level, even as all various bacteria that we have in our bodies, including ones we live in symbiosis with, have different vibrational levels as well.

One might say that "life" is symbiosis. When out of balance, something dies.

 

Ed

 

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Neil Carman

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:29 AM

Re: How humans are not physically created to eat meat

 

 

 

One subtle aspect we tend to often ignore is that the animal's vibration is lower than a human's vibration, although scientists can't measure vibration or consciousness and yet many of us believe in such differences. Consuming animals allows the animal's vibration to effect the human consumer's vibration and is a major reason why certain cultures banned eating flesh: you take on lower animal energies and the karma of the animal. The vibrational levels of animals is entirely distinct from the slaughter process itself which Eric Schlosser writes about in his bestselling book Fast Food Nation. Anyway the animal's life is ended will also leave a strong fear vibration in the tissue biochemistry since I don't think there is a peaceful method of terminating their life. These issues go beyond our current day science. Schlosser was still a flesh eater when I heard him speak about ten years ago but was working on changing.

 

Why synthetic is different than natural

 

Homeopathy has faced the question of subtle vibrational differences between natural vs synthetic substances. German scientist Rudolph Hauschka's book The Nature of Substance investigated the subtle differences between natural vs synthetic substances by considering that vibrational aspects are present in all matter from the tiniest atom to the cosmos. He tested Benzoic Acid in a series of experiments! Natural Benzoic Acid prepared from a natural plant source was tested along with Synthetic Benzoic Acid made from Coal Tar. The two types of Benzoic Acid are chemically identical or indistinguishable as far as the numbers of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen atoms. When the homeopathic remedies were prepared, major differences emerged between the two types of Benzoic Acid. The 100% Natural Benzoic Acid possessed all the desired healing properties a homeopath would expect, while the Synthetic Benzoic Acid had no healing properties.

 

My point is that subtle energy, vibrational and consciousness differences exist between human beings, animals and other forms of matter. Dr. Emoto's research seems to bearing out subtle vibrational differences in crystalline structures that quantum physics may help to explain. Having worked in a natural products chemistry laboratory for years, crystallization of new molecules is an art form because molecules seem to have a personality of their own that defies traditional chemistry and physics. Some people were skilled at the art of crystallization and others were not so lucky. Even Nobel laureates in Medicine & Physiology James D. Watson and Francis Crick in their DNA original research described how difficult it was to initially crystallize the first DNA molecules out of solution they needed for x-ray crystallography, without which their DNA structural analysis would have gone no where.

 

Neil Carman

 

 

At 9:24 AM -0500 2/27/07, The Havens wrote:

Well Ed, reason, logic physiology and science didn't get to far....butjust so you know , i have nothing to do with religion...religion isresponsible for more death and destruction on this planet than even theillumanati are! But, [and this has nothing to do with religion] Jesussaid that the bible should never have been written, it should have beenspoken!! You do know that ?? Some enlightened soul once said " that aslong as we kill to eat, there will be war"!! Currently there are about 150armed conflicts globally!!! Kraig

 

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I note that animals avoid unappealing food; humans find meat

appealing, unlike herbivores, which avoid it. Good point?

 

Duncan

 

, Neil Carman

<Neil_Carman wrote:

>

> One subtle aspect we tend to often ignore is that

> the animal's vibration is lower than a human's

> vibration, although scientists can't measure

> vibration or consciousness and yet many of us

> believe in such differences. Consuming animals

> allows the animal's vibration to effect the human

> consumer's vibration and is a major reason why

> certain cultures banned eating flesh: you take on

> lower animal energies and the karma of the

> animal. The vibrational levels of animals is

> entirely distinct from the slaughter process

> itself which Eric Schlosser writes about in his

> bestselling book Fast Food Nation. Anyway the

> animal's life is ended will also leave a strong

> fear vibration in the tissue biochemistry since I

> don't think there is a peaceful method of

> terminating their life. These issues go beyond

> our current day science. Schlosser was still a

> flesh eater when I heard him speak about ten

> years ago but was working on changing.

>

> Why synthetic is different than natural

>

> Homeopathy has faced the question of subtle

> vibrational differences between natural vs

> synthetic substances. German scientist Rudolph

> Hauschka's book The Nature of Substance

> investigated the subtle differences between

> natural vs synthetic substances by considering

> that vibrational aspects are present in all

> matter from the tiniest atom to the cosmos. He

> tested Benzoic Acid in a series of experiments!

> Natural Benzoic Acid prepared from a natural

> plant source was tested along with Synthetic

> Benzoic Acid made from Coal Tar. The two types of

> Benzoic Acid are chemically identical or

> indistinguishable as far as the numbers of

> carbon, hydrogen and oxygen atoms. When the

> homeopathic remedies were prepared, major

> differences emerged between the two types of

> Benzoic Acid. The 100% Natural Benzoic Acid

> possessed all the desired healing properties a

> homeopath would expect, while the Synthetic

> Benzoic Acid had no healing properties.

>

> My point is that subtle energy, vibrational and

> consciousness differences exist between human

> beings, animals and other forms of matter. Dr.

> Emoto's research seems to bearing out subtle

> vibrational differences in crystalline structures

> that quantum physics may help to explain. Having

> worked in a natural products chemistry laboratory

> for years, crystallization of new molecules is an

> art form because molecules seem to have a

> personality of their own that defies traditional

> chemistry and physics. Some people were skilled

> at the art of crystallization and others were not

> so lucky. Even Nobel laureates in Medicine &

> Physiology James D. Watson and Francis Crick in

> their DNA original research described how

> difficult it was to initially crystallize the

> first DNA molecules out of solution they needed

> for x-ray crystallography, without which their

> DNA structural analysis would have gone no where.

>

> Neil Carman

>

>

> At 9:24 AM -0500 2/27/07, The Havens wrote:

> >Well Ed, reason, logic physiology and science didn't get to

far....but

> >just so you know , i have nothing to do with religion...religion is

> >responsible for more death and destruction on this planet than

even the

> >illumanati are! But, [and this has nothing to do with religion]

Jesus

> >said that the bible should never have been written, it should have

been

> >spoken!! You do know that ?? Some enlightened soul once said "

that as

> >long as we kill to eat, there will be war " !! Currently there are

about 150

> >armed conflicts globally!!! Kraig

> >

> >

> >

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Please check out this documentary about how animals are truly viewed by many humans, it's called "Earthlings"~

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1282796533661048967

 

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02/27/07 10:58:20

 

Re: How humans are not physically created to eat meat

 

 

I note that animals avoid unappealing food; humans find meat appealing, unlike herbivores, which avoid it. Good point?Duncan , Neil Carman <Neil_Carman wrote:>> One subtle aspect we tend to often ignore is that > the animal's vibration is lower than a human's > vibration, although scientists can't measure > vibration or consciousness and yet many of us > believe in such differences. Consuming animals > allows the animal's vibration to effect the human > consumer's vibration and is a major reason why > certain cultures banned eating flesh: you take on > lower animal energies and the karma of the > animal. The vibrational levels of animals is > entirely distinct from the slaughter process > itself which Eric Schlosser writes about in his > bestselling book Fast Food Nation. Anyway the > animal's life is ended will also leave a strong > fear vibration in the tissue biochemistry since I > don't think there is a peaceful method of > terminating their life. These issues go beyond > our current day science. Schlosser was still a > flesh eater when I heard him speak about ten > years ago but was working on changing.> > Why synthetic is different than natural> > Homeopathy has faced the question of subtle > vibrational differences between natural vs > synthetic substances. German scientist Rudolph > Hauschka's book The Nature of Substance > investigated the subtle differences between > natural vs synthetic substances by considering > that vibrational aspects are present in all > matter from the tiniest atom to the cosmos. He > tested Benzoic Acid in a series of experiments! > Natural Benzoic Acid prepared from a natural > plant source was tested along with Synthetic > Benzoic Acid made from Coal Tar. The two types of > Benzoic Acid are chemically identical or > indistinguishable as far as the numbers of > carbon, hydrogen and oxygen atoms. When the > homeopathic remedies were prepared, major > differences emerged between the two types of > Benzoic Acid. The 100% Natural Benzoic Acid > possessed all the desired healing properties a > homeopath would expect, while the Synthetic > Benzoic Acid had no healing properties.> > My point is that subtle energy, vibrational and > consciousness differences exist between human > beings, animals and other forms of matter. Dr. > Emoto's research seems to bearing out subtle > vibrational differences in crystalline structures > that quantum physics may help to explain. Having > worked in a natural products chemistry laboratory > for years, crystallization of new molecules is an > art form because molecules seem to have a > personality of their own that defies traditional > chemistry and physics. Some people were skilled > at the art of crystallization and others were not > so lucky. Even Nobel laureates in Medicine & > Physiology James D. Watson and Francis Crick in > their DNA original research described how > difficult it was to initially crystallize the > first DNA molecules out of solution they needed > for x-ray crystallography, without which their > DNA structural analysis would have gone no where.> > Neil Carman> > > At 9:24 AM -0500 2/27/07, The Havens wrote:> >Well Ed, reason, logic physiology and science didn't get to far....but> >just so you know , i have nothing to do with religion...religion is> >responsible for more death and destruction on this planet than even the> >illumanati are! But, [and this has nothing to do with religion] Jesus> >said that the bible should never have been written, it should have been> >spoken!! You do know that ?? Some enlightened soul once said " that as> >long as we kill to eat, there will be war"!! Currently there are about 150> >armed conflicts globally!!! Kraig> >> >> >> >> >---> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> >Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release 2/14/05>

 

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Ed,

 

Good questions. Finally able to respond.

 

Several reasons on why plant life is vibrationally and

biologically more simple compared to humans and animals even though

plants share our biological status to some degree as complex

multicellular organisms.

 

Plants are simpler organisms than humans in terms of their

anatomical structure and hormonal biochemistry, obvious from. Plants

make several hormones but it's small compared to humans and animals,

because plants do not need as many hormones as we do. Plants do not

possess regulatory endocrine glands like humans possess. For sure,

plant chemistry is amazing producing hundreds of unique phytochemical

products called secondary products of metabolism besides the primary

metabolic products like proteins, fats and carbohydrates.

 

Plants also do not possess a brain that allows them to think and

be conscious beings like animals. Plants lack a nervous system like

animals do and can not feel pain as we and animals do.

 

Eating meat?

 

Please do not be offended since I used to eat steak nearly every

day growing up.

 

If a person needs to eat meat for nutritional support based on

medical reasons, fine.

 

Nonetheless, what you need to be more aware of is by killing an

animal before it's natural life has been fulfilled will induce

suffering and a horribly painful premature end to their life is a fact

meat consumers seem to ignore and overlook. Clearly it may not leap

out at you from the cold meat cuts while perusing the meat isle as to

whether to buy beef, pork, chicken, etc.

 

The emotional impact to the animal as it is being killed induces

a shocked biochemistry and extreme fear impressions are left in it;

perhaps some folks do not believe animals have emotions, but if you

have ever had pets, then you know how amazing animals can be as

friends to us humans. The shock to the animal's emotions and

biochemistry floods the meat tissues during the dying process with an

array of acidic, destructive biochemicals that will be consumed by the

person.

 

When we consume that meat regardless of how it has been killed,

the theory is that the fear energy from the animal is still present

and is absorbed into the person who eats it. Once you visit a

slaughter house or a rendering plant it becomes difficult to eat meat.

 

 

Meat eaters are thought to be more aggressive than

vegetarians.

 

Two great stories of animals recently rescuing humans. One Golden

retriever knocked her owner down when the lady suddenly began to choke

on a big piece of fruit. The Golden retriever then pounced on the

stomach and out popped the chunk of fruit. The lady said her Golden

retriever saved her life since she was choking and could not stop. No

one else was around at the time. The second story is more amazing. A

lady was in a serious car accident where her car had run off the road

into bushes and she was badly injured with out anyone seeing or

knowing about the accident. A large dog [believe it was German

Shepherd] suddenly appeared at the hidden accident scene and began to

lick the woman's face, although the woman at first was a bit afraid

the dog might attack. The big dog then started pulling her out of the

car by her clothing as the door was open and away from the wreck

dragging her out to the highway where a passerby quickly stopped to

take her to a hospital. The woman said she could have died at the

scene and no one would have found her for several days. The dog is a

homeless dog and so now the woman wants to find the hero dog a good

home. She says the dog saved her life!

 

Heart transplant patients today are known to absorb the habits,

emotions and desires of the person who had the heart originally. One

lady, for instance, who was not that fond of hamburgers suddenly

developed a new desire right after she got the heart of a young man

who enjoyed hamburgers killed in a car accident just after he had

eaten a big Mac and so she suddenly felt this powerful desire to eat

hamburgers. Today there are many documented examples of heart

transplant patients feeling sudden new desires after their heart

transplant surgery. What's happening? Our human heart obviously

absorbs our emotions and behavioral patterns for the years we live

with this amazing organ inside our body, and these emotions are passed

on to the person who receives the heart.

 

Neil

 

At 1:24 PM -0500 2/27/07, Ed Siceloff wrote:

In terms of

vibrations, would not plant life be of a different vibration than that

of humans as well? I don't question your point, except to think

that anything we eat is of a different vibrational level, even as all

various bacteria that we have in our bodies, including ones we live in

symbiosis with, have different vibrational levels as

well.

One might say

that " life " is symbiosis. When out of balance,

something dies.

 

Ed

-

Neil

Carman

 

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:29

AM

Re: How humans are

not physically created to eat meat

 

One subtle aspect we tend to often ignore is that the

animal's vibration is lower than a human's vibration, although

scientists can't measure vibration or consciousness and yet many of us

believe in such differences. Consuming animals allows the animal's

vibration to effect the human consumer's vibration and is a major

reason why certain cultures banned eating flesh: you take on lower

animal energies and the karma of the animal. The vibrational levels of

animals is entirely distinct from the slaughter process itself which

Eric Schlosser writes about in his bestselling book Fast Food

Nation. Anyway the animal's life is ended will also leave a strong

fear vibration in the tissue biochemistry since I don't think there is

a peaceful method of terminating their life. These issues go beyond

our current day science. Schlosser was still a flesh eater when I

heard him speak about ten years ago but was working on

changing.

 

Why synthetic is different than natural

 

Homeopathy has faced the question of subtle vibrational

differences between natural vs synthetic substances. German scientist

Rudolph Hauschka's book The Nature of Substance investigated

the subtle differences between natural vs synthetic substances by

considering that vibrational aspects are present in all matter from

the tiniest atom to the cosmos. He tested Benzoic Acid in a series of

experiments! Natural Benzoic Acid prepared from a natural plant source

was tested along with Synthetic Benzoic Acid made from Coal Tar. The

two types of Benzoic Acid are chemically identical or

indistinguishable as far as the numbers of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen

atoms. When the homeopathic remedies were prepared, major differences

emerged between the two types of Benzoic Acid. The 100% Natural

Benzoic Acid possessed all the desired healing properties a

homeopath would expect, while the Synthetic Benzoic Acid had no

healing properties.

 

My point is that subtle energy, vibrational and

consciousness differences exist between human beings, animals and

other forms of matter. Dr. Emoto's research seems to bearing out

subtle vibrational differences in crystalline structures that quantum

physics may help to explain. Having worked in a natural products

chemistry laboratory for years, crystallization of new molecules is an

art form because molecules seem to have a personality of their own

that defies traditional chemistry and physics. Some people were

skilled at the art of crystallization and others were not so lucky.

Even Nobel laureates in Medicine & Physiology James D. Watson and

Francis Crick in their DNA original research described how difficult

it was to initially crystallize the first DNA molecules out of

solution they needed for x-ray crystallography, without which their

DNA structural analysis would have gone no where.

 

Neil Carman

 

 

At 9:24 AM -0500 2/27/07, The Havens wrote:

Well Ed, reason, logic physiology and

science didn't get to far....but

just so you know , i have nothing to do with religion...religion

is

responsible for more death and destruction on this planet than even

the

illumanati are! But, [and this has nothing to do with religion]

Jesus

said that the bible should never have been written, it should have

been

spoken!! You do know that ?? Some enlightened soul once said "

that as

long as we kill to eat, there will be war " !! Currently there are

about 150

armed conflicts globally!!! Kraig

 

 

 

 

 

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