Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Hi Amber, Any undenatured whey can be used for cancer; what is of interest is two things: 1) high levels of the glutathione precursor peptides, cysteine- containing amino acids joined together with an " undenatured " sulfide bond. 2)the ability of whey generally to promote growth that might overpower or stay abreast of wasting in cancer (cachexia). The glutathione precursors are listed and four good undenatured wheys are compared on my website; I think the Jarrow is one of the most cost effective in the industry and it is filtered not hydrolyzed so contains little or no MSG. I have a separate page for glutathione references; note the published review of several clinical studies on the use of dietary undenatured whey to shrink cancer. I think selenium supplementation is an important part of a bid to increase glutathione. In addition to borderline selenium deficiency we have ample exposure to arsenic in our drinking water to further deplete it; arsenic is a documented cancer cause even at chronic but " safe " low levels that are commonly found in drinking water. Duncan e , " Stargazer " <Stargazer wrote: > > Which brands of whey do you recommend for cancer Duncan? ~Amber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Thank you for this great info Duncan - it's just what I needed. Now I know what kind to buy. Any tips on what to do with it? It's so gloppy when I try to put it in hot tea or something. ~Amber ---- Duncan Crow 1/28/2007 1:09:16 PM Re: whey and cancer Hi Amber, Any undenatured whey can be used for cancer; what is of interest is two things: 1) high levels of the glutathione precursor peptides, cysteine- containing amino acids joined together with an "undenatured" sulfide bond. 2)the ability of whey generally to promote growth that might overpower or stay abreast of wasting in cancer (cachexia). The glutathione precursors are listed and four good undenatured wheys are compared on my website; I think the Jarrow is one of the most cost effective in the industry and it is filtered not hydrolyzed so contains little or no MSG. I have a separate page for glutathione references; note the published review of several clinical studies on the use of dietary undenatured whey to shrink cancer. I think selenium supplementation is an important part of a bid to increase glutathione. In addition to borderline selenium deficiency we have ample exposure to arsenic in our drinking water to further deplete it; arsenic is a documented cancer cause even at chronic but "safe" low levels that are commonly found in drinking water. Duncan e , "Stargazer" <Stargazer wrote: > > Which brands of whey do you recommend for cancer Duncan? ~Amber «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤» § - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! § Subscribe:......... - «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤» Other like groups: MedicalConspiracies Subscribe: MedicalConspiracies- Post message: MedicalConspiracies List owner: MedicalConspiracies-owner «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤» 1400 Member Group: MedicalConspiracies (One Word)at Google groups: http://groups.google.comMedicalConspiracies Post message: MedicalConspiracies (AT) googl (DOT) com Subscribe: MedicalConspiracies- (AT) googl (DOT) com «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤» Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. Always consult with a qualified health practitioner before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Amber, make sure you put whey into not too hot a solution and avoid breaking it. I just use it as a milkshake with water, and sometimes in 1/2 cup of stale coffee. If you find that document on my site on whey and cancer it should give you considerable confidence. I'd also use other immune boosters such as Transfer Factor Plus Advanced Formula, selenium 600-1100 mcg, potassium, nutritional supplements, and roll of pH paper and perhaps a little cesium chloride to quickly alkalinize some cancer cells. Duncan , " Stargazer " <Stargazer wrote: > > Thank you for this great info Duncan - it's just what I needed. Now I know > what kind to buy. Any tips on what to do with it? It's so gloppy when I > try to put it in hot tea or something. > > ~Amber > > ---- > > Duncan Crow > 1/28/2007 1:09:16 PM > > Re: whey and cancer > > Hi Amber, > > Any undenatured whey can be used for cancer; what is of interest is > two things: > > 1) high levels of the glutathione precursor peptides, cysteine- > containing amino acids joined together with an " undenatured " sulfide > bond. > > 2)the ability of whey generally to promote growth that might overpower > or stay abreast of wasting in cancer (cachexia). > > The glutathione precursors are listed and four good undenatured wheys > are compared on my website; I think the Jarrow is one of the most cost > effective in the industry and it is filtered not hydrolyzed so > contains little or no MSG. > > I have a separate page for glutathione references; note the published > review of several clinical studies on the use of dietary undenatured > whey to shrink cancer. > > I think selenium supplementation is an important part of a bid to > increase glutathione. In addition to borderline selenium deficiency we > have ample exposure to arsenic in our drinking water to further > deplete it; arsenic is a documented cancer cause even at chronic > but " safe " low levels that are commonly found in drinking water. > > Duncan > > e , " Stargazer " > <Stargazer@> wrote: > > > > Which brands of whey do you recommend for cancer Duncan? ~Amber > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Doesn't whey protein contain bovine growth harmone? The whey I use most is from Now, which is probably poor quality. The local health food store sometimes has Enzyme Process (trade name) whey but I am looking at their container now and it does not say its free of bovine growth harmone - and its more expensive than Now. BernardDuncan Crow <duncancrow wrote: Amber, make sure you put whey into not too hot a solution and avoid breaking it. I just use it as a milkshake with water, and sometimes in 1/2 cup of stale coffee.If you find that document on my site on whey and cancer it should give you considerable confidence. I'd also use other immune boosters such as Transfer Factor Plus Advanced Formula, selenium 600-1100 mcg, potassium, nutritional supplements, and roll of pH paper and perhaps a little cesium chloride to quickly alkalinize some cancer cells.Duncan , "Stargazer" <Stargazer wrote:>> Thank you for this great info Duncan - it's just what I needed. Now I know> what kind to buy. Any tips on what to do with it? It's so gloppy when I> try to put it in hot tea or something. > > ~Amber > > ----> > Duncan Crow> 1/28/2007 1:09:16 PM> > Re: whey and cancer> > Hi Amber,> > Any undenatured whey can be used for cancer; what is of interest is> two things:> > 1) high levels of the glutathione precursor peptides, cysteine-> containing amino acids joined together with an "undenatured" sulfide> bond.> > 2)the ability of whey generally to promote growth that might overpower> or stay abreast of wasting in cancer (cachexia).> > The glutathione precursors are listed and four good undenatured wheys> are compared on my website; I think the Jarrow is one of the most cost> effective in the industry and it is filtered not hydrolyzed so> contains little or no MSG.> > I have a separate page for glutathione references; note the published> review of several clinical studies on the use of dietary undenatured> whey to shrink cancer.> > I think selenium supplementation is an important part of a bid to> increase glutathione. In addition to borderline selenium deficiency we> have ample exposure to arsenic in our drinking water to further> deplete it; arsenic is a documented cancer cause even at chronic> but "safe" low levels that are commonly found in drinking water.> > Duncan> > e , "Stargazer"> <Stargazer@> wrote:> >> > Which brands of whey do you recommend for cancer Duncan? ~Amber> "No man in the wrong can stand up against a fellow that's in the right and keeps a-comin.' " Texas Ranger Captain Bill McDonald James 5:1-6"Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud (INCOME TAX), crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth." Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Wow Duncan - how come so much Selenium? I thought the max dosage you could take was 200mg. How much potassium would be good to take? I thought cesium chloride was iv only. The whey I have is NOW brand and it looks like powder, so I must have the kind that's already been broken. ~Amber ---- Duncan Crow 2/3/2007 10:55:17 AM Re: whey and cancer Amber, make sure you put whey into not too hot a solution and avoid breaking it. I just use it as a milkshake with water, and sometimes in 1/2 cup of stale coffee. If you find that document on my site on whey and cancer it should give you considerable confidence. I'd also use other immune boosters such as Transfer Factor Plus Advanced Formula, selenium 600-1100 mcg, potassium, nutritional supplements, and roll of pH paper and perhaps a little cesium chloride to quickly alkalinize some cancer cells. Duncan , "Stargazer" <Stargazer wrote: > > Thank you for this great info Duncan - it's just what I needed. Now I know > what kind to buy. Any tips on what to do with it? It's so gloppy when I > try to put it in hot tea or something. > > ~Amber > > ---- > > Duncan Crow > 1/28/2007 1:09:16 PM > > Re: whey and cancer > > Hi Amber, > > Any undenatured whey can be used for cancer; what is of interest is > two things: > > 1) high levels of the glutathione precursor peptides, cysteine- > containing amino acids joined together with an "undenatured" sulfide > bond. > > 2)the ability of whey generally to promote growth that might overpower > or stay abreast of wasting in cancer (cachexia). > > The glutathione precursors are listed and four good undenatured wheys > are compared on my website; I think the Jarrow is one of the most cost > effective in the industry and it is filtered not hydrolyzed so > contains little or no MSG. > > I have a separate page for glutathione references; note the published > review of several clinical studies on the use of dietary undenatured > whey to shrink cancer. > > I think selenium supplementation is an important part of a bid to > increase glutathione. In addition to borderline selenium deficiency we > have ample exposure to arsenic in our drinking water to further > deplete it; arsenic is a documented cancer cause even at chronic > but "safe" low levels that are commonly found in drinking water. > > Duncan > > e , "Stargazer" > <Stargazer@> wrote: > > > > Which brands of whey do you recommend for cancer Duncan? ~Amber > «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤» § - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! § Subscribe:......... - «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤» Other like groups: MedicalConspiracies Subscribe: MedicalConspiracies- Post message: MedicalConspiracies List owner: MedicalConspiracies-owner «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤» 1400 Member Group: MedicalConspiracies (One Word)at Google groups: http://groups.google.comMedicalConspiracies Post message: MedicalConspiracies (AT) googl (DOT) com Subscribe: MedicalConspiracies- (AT) googl (DOT) com «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤» Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. Always consult with a qualified health practitioner before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 I suggest 400 mcg selenium alot of the time because 200-600 mcg daily is the therapeutic dose, and 150 mcg - 300 mcg was suggested across the adult population in research I saw. Sick people need more than the average in order to overcome issues that led to the glutathione depletion and oxidative stress; also people who are exposed to low but chronic levels of arsenic in their drinking water, that is, most of us, also need more selenium to somewhat counteract its depletion by the arsenic. Selenium is a useful preventive and it can also be curative but at much higher doses; at 1100 mcg/day tumor shrinkage and viral load reduction was seen in at least three studies I saw, and at 3200 mcg the only toxic effect after a year of supplementation was fingernail deformity, which soon grew out. Both broken and unbroken wheys are powder. What's important is the temperature it was made at and how the good parts were salvaged. I could only guess on the potassium; what I do is not use salt at all beyond casual exposure in some prepared foods like ham and condiments like hoisin sauce or olives, and use " No-Salt " potassium salts to salt my food. I think it amounts to cutting back by 1/4 tsp or so and adding the No Salt. Duncan .. , " Stargazer " <Stargazer wrote: > > Wow Duncan - how come so much Selenium? I thought the > max dosage you could take was 200mg. How much potassium > would be good to take? I thought cesium chloride was iv only. The > whey I have is NOW brand and it looks like powder, so I must have > the kind that's already been broken. > > ~Amber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Duncan, Would goat whey supply a similar amount of glutathione? I seem to tolerate goat products much better than cow. I heard of a company called Mt. Capra that makes a goat whey, it says it's minimally processed, is alkaline, has minerals but don't see any info on glutathione. With the severe asthma I'm dealing with I need to be careful about my diet, otherwise, I'd throw caution to the wnd and try the cow whey. Thanks again for your help, Keith Duncan Crow <duncancrow wrote: I suggest 400 mcg selenium alot of the time because 200-600 mcg daily is the therapeutic dose, and 150 mcg - 300 mcg was suggested across the adult population in research I saw. Sick people need more than the average in order to overcome issues that led to the glutathione depletion and oxidative stress; also people who are exposed to low but chronic levels of arsenic in their drinking water, that is, most of us, also need more selenium to somewhat counteract its depletion by the arsenic.Selenium is a useful preventive and it can also be curative but at much higher doses; at 1100 mcg/day tumor shrinkage and viral load reduction was seen in at least three studies I saw, and at 3200 mcg the only toxic effect after a year of supplementation was fingernail deformity, which soon grew out.Both broken and unbroken wheys are powder. What's important is the temperature it was made at and how the good parts were salvaged.I could only guess on the potassium; what I do is not use salt at all beyond casual exposure in some prepared foods like ham and condiments like hoisin sauce or olives, and use "No-Salt" potassium salts to salt my food. I think it amounts to cutting back by 1/4 tsp or so and adding the No Salt. Duncan. , "Stargazer" <Stargazer wrote:>> Wow Duncan - how come so much Selenium? I thought the > max dosage you could take was 200mg. How much potassium > would be good to take? I thought cesium chloride was iv only. The > whey I have is NOW brand and it looks like powder, so I must have > the kind that's already been broken. > > ~Amber The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Natural whey contains some growth factors unless they're removed by micro-filtration or perhaps cooking. If you mean you don't want the unusually high BGH values you sometimes see in milk from BGH injections for milk production, choose whey that is advertised to come from herds that are not exposed to whatever you want to avoid. Realize too that many people take colostrum for the specific reason that it is unusually high in BGH, especially if their HGH levels were a bit low. Elderly people getting HGH injections made by genetically-spliced e. coli bacteria had much lower cancer incidence than the controls; the group of humans with then highest HGH release, children and teens, naturally have the lowest cancer incidence. Duncan , bernard pyron <bernard_pyron wrote: > > Doesn't whey protein contain bovine growth harmone? > The whey I use most is from Now, which is probably > poor quality. The local health food store sometimes > has Enzyme Process (trade name) whey but I am looking > at their container now and it does not say its free of > bovine growth harmone - and its more expensive than Now. > Bernard > > Duncan Crow <duncancrow wrote: > Amber, make sure you put whey into not too hot a solution and avoid > breaking it. I just use it as a milkshake with water, and sometimes > in 1/2 cup of stale coffee. > > If you find that document on my site on whey and cancer it should > give you considerable confidence. I'd also use other immune boosters > such as Transfer Factor Plus Advanced Formula, selenium 600-1100 mcg, > potassium, nutritional supplements, and roll of pH paper and perhaps > a little cesium chloride to quickly alkalinize some cancer cells. > > Duncan > > , " Stargazer " > <Stargazer@> wrote: > > > > Thank you for this great info Duncan - it's just what I needed. > Now I know > > what kind to buy. Any tips on what to do with it? It's so gloppy > when I > > try to put it in hot tea or something. > > > > ~Amber > > > > ---- > > > > Duncan Crow > > 1/28/2007 1:09:16 PM > > > > Re: whey and cancer > > > > Hi Amber, > > > > Any undenatured whey can be used for cancer; what is of interest is > > two things: > > > > 1) high levels of the glutathione precursor peptides, cysteine- > > containing amino acids joined together with an " undenatured " sulfide > > bond. > > > > 2)the ability of whey generally to promote growth that might > overpower > > or stay abreast of wasting in cancer (cachexia). > > > > The glutathione precursors are listed and four good undenatured > wheys > > are compared on my website; I think the Jarrow is one of the most > cost > > effective in the industry and it is filtered not hydrolyzed so > > contains little or no MSG. > > > > I have a separate page for glutathione references; note the > published > > review of several clinical studies on the use of dietary undenatured > > whey to shrink cancer. > > > > I think selenium supplementation is an important part of a bid to > > increase glutathione. In addition to borderline selenium deficiency > we > > have ample exposure to arsenic in our drinking water to further > > deplete it; arsenic is a documented cancer cause even at chronic > > but " safe " low levels that are commonly found in drinking water. > > > > Duncan > > > > e , " Stargazer " > > <Stargazer@> wrote: > > > > > > Which brands of whey do you recommend for cancer Duncan? ~Amber > > " No man in the wrong can stand up against a fellow that's in the right and keeps a-comin.' " Texas Ranger Captain Bill McDonald > > James 5:1-6 > > " Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud (INCOME TAX), crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. " > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Yes, I'm sure goat whey would be adequate if it's cold-processed. I should reiterate that recovery of glutathione levels is accomplished by concentrated whey and selenium (and lipoic acid); if one drank fresh liquid whey one could not approach the levels we're doing with powder. I've cured asthma with an antioxidant protocol including whey, following research that pointed out a key factor in asthma is glutathione depletion systemically, and also locally in the lung tissue. Duncan , Keith Eagle <jacobadler123 wrote: > > Duncan, > > Would goat whey supply a similar amount of glutathione? I seem to tolerate goat products much better than cow. I heard of a company called Mt. Capra that makes a goat whey, it says it's minimally processed, is alkaline, has minerals but don't see any info on glutathione. With the severe asthma I'm dealing with I need to be careful about my diet, otherwise, I'd throw caution to the wnd and try the cow whey. > > Thanks again for your help, > Keith > > Duncan Crow <duncancrow wrote: > I suggest 400 mcg selenium alot of the time because 200- 600 mcg daily > is the therapeutic dose, and 150 mcg - 300 mcg was suggested across > the adult population in research I saw. Sick people need more than > the average in order to overcome issues that led to the glutathione > depletion and oxidative stress; also people who are exposed to low > but chronic levels of arsenic in their drinking water, that is, most > of us, also need more selenium to somewhat counteract its depletion > by the arsenic. > > Selenium is a useful preventive and it can also be curative but at > much higher doses; at 1100 mcg/day tumor shrinkage and viral load > reduction was seen in at least three studies I saw, and at 3200 mcg > the only toxic effect after a year of supplementation was fingernail > deformity, which soon grew out. > > Both broken and unbroken wheys are powder. What's important is the > temperature it was made at and how the good parts were salvaged. > > I could only guess on the potassium; what I do is not use salt at all > beyond casual exposure in some prepared foods like ham and condiments > like hoisin sauce or olives, and use " No-Salt " potassium salts to > salt my food. I think it amounts to cutting back by 1/4 tsp or so and > adding the No Salt. > > Duncan > > . , " Stargazer " > <Stargazer@> wrote: > > > > Wow Duncan - how come so much Selenium? I thought the > > max dosage you could take was 200mg. How much potassium > > would be good to take? I thought cesium chloride was iv only. The > > whey I have is NOW brand and it looks like powder, so I must have > > the kind that's already been broken. > > > > ~Amber > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Can the precursor aminos to glutathione be obtained by drinking goat or cow's milk heated to below 70 degree C rather than making whey out of it? For lipoic acid one has to go for the supplement or potatoes and other foods will be enough? Is lipoic acid also destroyed by temperature? Ratan. --- Duncan Crow <duncancrow wrote: > Yes, I'm sure goat whey would be adequate if it's > cold-processed. > > I should reiterate that recovery of glutathione > levels is > accomplished by concentrated whey and selenium (and > lipoic acid); if > one drank fresh liquid whey one could not approach > the levels we're > doing with powder. > > I've cured asthma with an antioxidant protocol > including whey, > following research that pointed out a key factor in > asthma is > glutathione depletion systemically, and also locally > in the lung > tissue. > > Duncan > > > , Keith > Eagle > <jacobadler123 wrote: > > > > Duncan, > > > > Would goat whey supply a similar amount of > glutathione? I seem to > tolerate goat products much better than cow. I heard > of a company > called Mt. Capra that makes a goat whey, it says > it's minimally > processed, is alkaline, has minerals but don't see > any info on > glutathione. With the severe asthma I'm dealing with > I need to be > careful about my diet, otherwise, I'd throw caution > to the wnd and > try the cow whey. > > > > Thanks again for your help, > > Keith > > > > Duncan Crow <duncancrow wrote: > > I suggest 400 mcg selenium alot of the > time because 200- > 600 mcg daily > > is the therapeutic dose, and 150 mcg - 300 mcg was > suggested across > > the adult population in research I saw. Sick > people need more than > > the average in order to overcome issues that led > to the glutathione > > depletion and oxidative stress; also people who > are exposed to low > > but chronic levels of arsenic in their drinking > water, that is, > most > > of us, also need more selenium to somewhat > counteract its depletion > > by the arsenic. > > > > Selenium is a useful preventive and it can also be > curative but at > > much higher doses; at 1100 mcg/day tumor shrinkage > and viral load > > reduction was seen in at least three studies I > saw, and at 3200 mcg > > the only toxic effect after a year of > supplementation was > fingernail > > deformity, which soon grew out. > > > > Both broken and unbroken wheys are powder. What's > important is the > > temperature it was made at and how the good parts > were salvaged. > > > > I could only guess on the potassium; what I do is > not use salt at > all > > beyond casual exposure in some prepared foods like > ham and > condiments > > like hoisin sauce or olives, and use " No-Salt " > potassium salts to > > salt my food. I think it amounts to cutting back > by 1/4 tsp or so > and > > adding the No Salt. > > > > Duncan > > > > . , > " Stargazer " > > <Stargazer@> wrote: > > > > > > Wow Duncan - how come so much Selenium? I > thought the > > > max dosage you could take was 200mg. How much > potassium > > > would be good to take? I thought cesium chloride > was iv only. The > > > whey I have is NOW brand and it looks like > powder, so I must have > > > the kind that's already been broken. > > > > > > ~Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fish are biting. > > Get more visitors on your site using > Search Marketing. > > > > > Ratan Singh Phone: 91 141 2652561 Address: 7- NA- 16 Jawahar Nagar Jaipur- 302004 INDIA ---------- - Certificate in Food & Nutrition; - Author of " Nutrition & Supplements in Major Mental Illnesses " ; - M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.; - Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. Wolpe's Unit, Temple University Medical School, Philadelphia, USA); - Hypnotist, Biofeedback and Meditation Therapist. - Family, Marital and Sex Therapist. ->Consultant Nutritional & Clinical Psychologist in Jaipur Hospital, India. psych_58, www.jaipurmart.com/trade/meditationandhealth, meditationandcancer- ______________________________\ ____ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Yes, there are glutathione precursors in raw milk; it would take about 5 gallons of raw milk to get a maintenance dose, which is about a third of what we use for bailing someone out of a disease situation. Similarly, then lipoic acid can be supplemented for better effect. One has to consider that dietary intakes are not optimal but part of survival and continuation of the species; reversing disease takes higher levels. By example, note the very slow progress people see when using the natural approach promoted on the candidasupport group, compared to the much better progress afforded by the supplementation of a few things that we do on this candidiasis group. Duncan , psych doc <psych_58 wrote: > > Can the precursor aminos to glutathione be obtained by > drinking goat or cow's milk heated to below 70 degree > C rather than making whey out of it? > For lipoic acid one has to go for the supplement or > potatoes and other foods will be enough? Is lipoic > acid also destroyed by temperature? > Ratan. > --- Duncan Crow <duncancrow wrote: > > > Yes, I'm sure goat whey would be adequate if it's > > cold-processed. > > > > I should reiterate that recovery of glutathione > > levels is > > accomplished by concentrated whey and selenium (and > > lipoic acid); if > > one drank fresh liquid whey one could not approach > > the levels we're > > doing with powder. > > > > I've cured asthma with an antioxidant protocol > > including whey, > > following research that pointed out a key factor in > > asthma is > > glutathione depletion systemically, and also locally > > in the lung > > tissue. > > > > Duncan > > > > > > , Keith > > Eagle > > <jacobadler123@> wrote: > > > > > > Duncan, > > > > > > Would goat whey supply a similar amount of > > glutathione? I seem to > > tolerate goat products much better than cow. I heard > > of a company > > called Mt. Capra that makes a goat whey, it says > > it's minimally > > processed, is alkaline, has minerals but don't see > > any info on > > glutathione. With the severe asthma I'm dealing with > > I need to be > > careful about my diet, otherwise, I'd throw caution > > to the wnd and > > try the cow whey. > > > > > > Thanks again for your help, > > > Keith > > > > > > Duncan Crow <duncancrow@> wrote: > > > I suggest 400 mcg selenium alot of the > > time because 200- > > 600 mcg daily > > > is the therapeutic dose, and 150 mcg - 300 mcg was > > suggested across > > > the adult population in research I saw. Sick > > people need more than > > > the average in order to overcome issues that led > > to the glutathione > > > depletion and oxidative stress; also people who > > are exposed to low > > > but chronic levels of arsenic in their drinking > > water, that is, > > most > > > of us, also need more selenium to somewhat > > counteract its depletion > > > by the arsenic. > > > > > > Selenium is a useful preventive and it can also be > > curative but at > > > much higher doses; at 1100 mcg/day tumor shrinkage > > and viral load > > > reduction was seen in at least three studies I > > saw, and at 3200 mcg > > > the only toxic effect after a year of > > supplementation was > > fingernail > > > deformity, which soon grew out. > > > > > > Both broken and unbroken wheys are powder. What's > > important is the > > > temperature it was made at and how the good parts > > were salvaged. > > > > > > I could only guess on the potassium; what I do is > > not use salt at > > all > > > beyond casual exposure in some prepared foods like > > ham and > > condiments > > > like hoisin sauce or olives, and use " No-Salt " > > potassium salts to > > > salt my food. I think it amounts to cutting back > > by 1/4 tsp or so > > and > > > adding the No Salt. > > > > > > Duncan > > > > > > . , > > " Stargazer " > > > <Stargazer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow Duncan - how come so much Selenium? I > > thought the > > > > max dosage you could take was 200mg. How much > > potassium > > > > would be good to take? I thought cesium chloride > > was iv only. The > > > > whey I have is NOW brand and it looks like > > powder, so I must have > > > > the kind that's already been broken. > > > > > > > > ~Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fish are biting. > > > Get more visitors on your site using > > Search Marketing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ratan Singh > Phone: 91 141 2652561 > Address: 7- NA- 16 > Jawahar Nagar > Jaipur- 302004 INDIA > ---------- > - Certificate in Food & Nutrition; > - Author of " Nutrition & Supplements in Major Mental Illnesses " ; > - M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.; > - Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. 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