A vegetarian's nightmare

January 27, 2007

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I should have seen it coming.According to Stephen F. Sundlof, D.V.M., Ph.D., director of FDA's Center for Veterinary Medicine, "Based on [the] FDA's analysis of hundreds of peer-reviewed publications and other studies on the health and food composition of clones and their offspring, the draft risk assessment has determined that meat and milk from clones and their offspring are as safe as food we eat every day." Let's clone our way to a baseless existence that lacks a sense of ethics all together. Let's clone the best of the best, breed them and then kill their babies so ethically retarded consumers can eat their way to a gluttonous, morally reprehensible lifestyle.Okay, perhaps I'm being slightly dramatic. But animal cloning is a reality I wasn't ready for and one that people don't seem to care very much about. That doesn't mean we shouldn't pay attention.So here are some of the reasons as to why I feel my concerns are justified:1. Animal cloning for the purpose of producing high-quality meat and dairy is wrong in so far as creating life in order to destroy it for an unnecessary whim or human desire is unwarranted and (dare I say) excessive. 2. I realize some of you may disagree with point one and say that we are carnivores (and other arguments of the like), and some will hastily reply, "it tastes good!" To this logic I ask you: To what extent is meat an absolutely necessary part your diet? That is, can you survive on a meat-free diet? (For most the answer is "yes," but let's move on.)3. Even though animal cloning might allow for high-quality animals with superior genetics, it is not financially feasible for everyone. It's difficult enough for small (organic) farmers to compete with farming giants, but to introduce scientifically engineered copies of their "best" animals might deliver a terrible blow to the small farmer. 4. The impact cloning might have on animal breeders would devastate top-quality breeders of horses and other competition animals who might not have $16,000 (or amoral tendencies) to clone their highest-earning thoroughbred horses, cutting horses or prize-wining steers. (In return, the rich will continue getting richer? Sounds like the same old sad song and dance. )

Continued...

love*light,

GaiaHemp aka Hempress

January 27, 2007

Hempress, Lets leave the moral issues aside for the moment[ tho i

completely agree with you] lets just talk money and health...meat

production of any kind is the most expensive form of protein production,

period...they require huge amounts of OIL! And produce the largest amount

of pollution than any other protein source! You do know that no one in

their right mind, goes into any fresh water bodies in North Carolina [ the

nation, if not the worlds largest factory hog farms] because the rivers and

streams in much of the state has a very nasty creature called pfysteria sp?

i may have the spelling wrong, but several years back the state

epidemiologist almost lost her life [ by some how getting infected thru the

testing she was doing] and did lose her job after discovering that this

ugly thing came from hog waste getting into the rivers and streams!! No

one wanted to hear the truth! Now, lets leave the pigs alone and move on

to the beef....The beef industry experts and the FDA said no way Mad Cow

would get into the American food chain...OOOPPPS! And the piece you quoted

said the clones were as safe as what we already have?! Maybe they won't

have to shoot up the clones the way they do the " regular Mac Donalds fare "

with vaccines, and hormones and who knows what kind of junk is put in the

feed lot food to fatten them up for market?! Now the rates of colo-rectal

cancer are at epidemic proportions [ funny aside here, i know of a

colo-rectal surgeon who could not attend a function i had been invited to

because he was recovering from...you guessed it...colo-rectal surgery! And

still can't figure it out!] But the good news is ,business is

booming! When anyone puts a hunk of dead meat into a 98' oven and this is

done later in the day, when the body stops producing the acids necessary to

break down the meat, it sits there and putrifys...even if it is

organic! All flesh is the most difficult thing for the body to digest

and keeps the body acid [cancer loves an acid environment] sucks down lots

of energy just to try and move this stuff thru 12 feet [ not sure of the

exact length ] of our G.I. tract so it can be turned into 'juice' small

enough to pass thru the villi of the small intestine and finally into the

blood stream! My late wife found a great line from an enlightened being

that said, " as long as we kill to eat, there will be war " ! Anyone want to

take a guess at the percentage of the monthly 8.4 BILLION $$ that goes to

Iraq is for MEAT!!! As if the troops don't have enough to deal with in

vaccinations, depeleted uranium aspertame in the 'soft' drinks' and i

wonder how much MSG is put in or on the MEAT!??? Makes you wonder who

really is trying to kill " our people " !! Kraig

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The whole meat, pharmaceutical and oil industry makes me think that maybe (good and) bad bacteria (Alien DNA) have evolved on earth so to harvest/colonize flesh and make war for their so called master race, for they thrive only on blood money and power~ As a Panspermist i also believe good bacteria arrived here, as well, at that same time (this was the meteorite that destroyed the dinosaurs), some of us have more than the other in our gene pool (genome) today~ Those who can not live without killing/wars have also the DNA connected with dinosaurs that were carnivorous and those of us who are peaceful are connected to the herbivore dinosaurs, for just like dinosaurs, man can not naturally fly or live in water~ The prehistoric reptiles (plesiosaurs & pterodactyl) are our birds and fish, and i am sure a few other creatures, on earth today~ Humans that have the need to fly craft and go beneath the sea are also more connected to (plesiosaurs & pterodactyl) prehistoric reptiles of the past but those who dream of going into space, well,,, i think are yearning for the place where their bacteria originated from before it became intertwined with earth species~

so there will always be an unfortunate need to kill flesh and make war by a minority of huemans, but most of us were meant to be peaceful and eat plants like were most of the herbivore dinosaurs of our past, et......

i know that was terribly written, but that's my story (theory) and i'm sticking to it:)~

thanks,

Hempress

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The Havens

01/27/07 15:18:02

Re:A vegetarian's nightmare

Hempress, Lets leave the moral issues aside for the moment[ tho i completely agree with you] lets just talk money and health...meat production of any kind is the most expensive form of protein production, period...they require huge amounts of OIL! And produce the largest amount of pollution than any other protein source! You do know that no one in their right mind, goes into any fresh water bodies in North Carolina [ the nation, if not the worlds largest factory hog farms] because the rivers and streams in much of the state has a very nasty creature called pfysteria sp? i may have the spelling wrong, but several years back the state epidemiologist almost lost her life [ by some how getting infected thru the testing she was doing] and did lose her job after discovering that this ugly thing came from hog waste getting into the rivers and streams!! No one wanted to hear the truth! Now, lets leave the pigs alone and move on to the beef....The beef industry experts and the FDA said no way Mad Cow would get into the American food chain...OOOPPPS! And the piece you quoted said the clones were as safe as what we already have?! Maybe they won't have to shoot up the clones the way they do the "regular Mac Donalds fare" with vaccines, and hormones and who knows what kind of junk is put in the feed lot food to fatten them up for market?! Now the rates of colo-rectal cancer are at epidemic proportions [ funny aside here, i know of a colo-rectal surgeon who could not attend a function i had been invited to because he was recovering from...you guessed it...colo-rectal surgery! And still can't figure it out!] But the good news is ,business is booming! When anyone puts a hunk of dead meat into a 98' oven and this is done later in the day, when the body stops producing the acids necessary to break down the meat, it sits there and putrifys...even if it is organic! All flesh is the most difficult thing for the body to digest and keeps the body acid [cancer loves an acid environment] sucks down lots of energy just to try and move this stuff thru 12 feet [ not sure of the exact length ] of our G.I. tract so it can be turned into 'juice' small enough to pass thru the villi of the small intestine and finally into the blood stream! My late wife found a great line from an enlightened being that said," as long as we kill to eat, there will be war"! Anyone want to take a guess at the percentage of the monthly 8.4 BILLION $$ that goes to Iraq is for MEAT!!! As if the troops don't have enough to deal with in vaccinations, depeleted uranium aspertame in the 'soft' drinks' and i wonder how much MSG is put in or on the MEAT!??? Makes you wonder who really is trying to kill "our people"!! Kraig