ANTIDEPRESSANTS : MOTIVES BEHIND THE PUSH

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ANTIDEPRESSANTS : MOTIVES BEHIND THE PUSH http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=97148

Posted By: Daystar <Send E-Mail>Sunday, 24 December 2006, 7:14 a.m.

 

I received a link today to an Alex Jones video interview concerning antidepressants, drug companies and the extensiveness of forced drugging. The two people being interviewed have produced a film and written a book on this subject. I feel the information needs to be spread far and wide. I wanted to share the link and also repost an older article of mine which concentrates on this subject.Antidepressants may be needed for some people as a desperate stop gap measure but we should really be looking for the main cause, which in many cases can be microbial. I think Brave New World should be required reading. I wonder how often this book is now suggested reading in the schools? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex Jones interview re: new documentary: "Prescription Suicide". http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1690572043290680841 & q >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Antidepressants - Motives Behind The Push By Marjorie Tietjen Daystar1952@ 10-24-3 It has become increasingly obvious that there may be diabolical motives behind the intense push for antidepressant consumption. Antidepressants are immune suppressive, can cause violent tendencies, suicidal thoughts, depersonalization, complete changes in personality and depression, the very symptom this drug is supposed to alleviate. I highly recommend a book by Ann Blake Tracy. I encourage you to read it and pass it on. The title is "Prozac, Panacea or Pandora". It is an excellent eye opener. The following is a quote from her book. " A Yale study , which was released in March 1991, indicates that one out of seven of their patients suffered intense suicidal preoccupation or intense feelings of violence. They state very clearly , that from their observations, this is not a coincidence, but a reaction directly related to Prozac. If we use their one out of seven figure, or approximately 15%, we are looking at an astounding figure of 1,350,000 patients, three quarters of a million patients experiencing the most serious of Prozac's adverse reactions - adverse reactions which affect not only the patient but all of society." Many chronically ill patients with disease labels such as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, ALS, MS, Parkinson's, Gulf War Illness, Alzheimer's, Lyme, etc., are essentially being denied curative treatment, in the form of antibiotics and natural substances. Most insurance companies do not cover naturopathic services. This seems odd to me considering preventative treatments would save the insurance companies large sums of money. Many have been recently raising the question as to why, using certain lab tests, many patients with these diseases are found to be infected with mycoplasma, the lyme spirochete and other microbes which are treatable with antibiotics. Certain government agencies are very aware of this situation. Why then is nothing being done about it? Instead of curative treatment, we are being told that our symptoms are all in our head, therefore we must need psychoactive drugs. The SSRI drugs , which include Paxil, Prozac and Zoloft, suppress the immune system, so......not only are we being denied curative treatments but we are being coerced into using drugs which further weaken our already fragile immune systems. I wonder how many of you are on these drugs yourselves or know someone that is ? The following is another excerpt from Ann Blake Tracy's book. "The CIA had a great interest in drugs for chemical warfare and mind control in particular. After several years of using Scopolamine and liquid marijuana, they began searching for additional, even stronger mind altering drugs and turned to LSD. Their goal was to find a chemical which would: 1. cause a disruption in memory, 2. discredit individuals by producing aberant behavior, 3. alter sexual patterns, 4. elicit information from the person, 5. open one's mind to suggestion for mind control, and 6. create addiction and dependence. If the reader will turn to the chapter entitled "Patient Reports", they will find those on Prozac reporting all six of these results as reactions to the drug." Many of us who are aware of what is really happening in our society, concerning chemtrails, the push for One World Government, etc., try to warn others. We have been very puzzled and frustrated at the general lack of concern. Most people just don't seem to care and change the subject when presented with this information. There are many methods of producing apathy....through propaganda, subliminal messages, specific electronic frequencies, chemicals, and more. Could the use of antidepressents be playing a role in the zombification of our nation? A book published by Stanford University in 1983 "On Nineteen Eighty Four", extensively explains how these chemicals erode our identities and it's devastating effects on society as a whole. Many report that these drugs affect one's ability to connect spiritually. Patients on Prozac report that it rips out one's soul. A quote from "Toxic Psychiatry" by Dr. Breggin. "I saw no mystery in how the treatments worked. By damaging the brain and mind, they made the patients docile and passive...suitable for control within these abusive institutions. The frontal lobes are the seat of higher human functions such as love, concern for others, empathy, insight, creativity, initiative, autonomy, rationality, abstract reasoning, judgement, future planning, foresight, willpower, determination and concentration. The frontal lobes allow us to be human in the full sense of that word. They are required for a civilized, effective, mature life." Psychiatric drugs are designed to interfere with the neurotransmitters which connect the frontal lobes of the brain with the rest of the brain. This creates a lobotomy effect. A large portion of the population who are experiencing symptoms such as depression, anxiety or panic attacks, may actually be suffering from a brain infection. For example, irritability, rage, depression and panic attacks are only some of the brain symptoms that can be produced by the lyme spirochete and certain strains of mycoplasma. Wouldn't it make more sense to treat the underlying cause rather than allowing the disease to progress by covering up the symptoms? Adding immune suppression to the picture, caused by antidepressents, makes a recipe for disaster. We must not leave out the fact that natural life circumstances are also a cause for depression.. ..but it is then the situation and our response to it which needs attention. Here again, antidepressents only mask the underlying problem. I'd like to share one more quote from the book "Prozac, Panacea Or Pandora". "Prozac blocks out too many necessary life generating emotions. It tends to dull the higher feelings while enhancing the animalistic feelings. When Prozac affects the mood centers to block out what we would classify as "bad" feelings, it also blocks out the "good" feelings. Aren't feelings there to let us know we do exist and to increase our awareness of ourselves and our surroundings? Is it worth cutting those unpleasant feelings out of our life , if we at the same time cut out the feelings of love, concern, empathy, hope - all the good feelings? Without feelings are we really alive? Are we human? And if we can no longer feel, is life "real" for us and worth living? How terribly depressing it must be to feel nothing." One can see how easy it would be to gain total control of a nation of drugged apathetic citizens. People seem to be losing the ability to care, reason and evaluate the events taking place in our world. Many of us can't even remember what we did yesterday. More of us need to step out of the crowd, voice our opinions and share constructive information with others. The future of our world depends on each and every one of us. While you're at it, don't forget to spread some love around. That is the most essential ingredient! Please refer to Ann Blake Tracy's book for natural solutions

 

ANXIETY AND PANIC ATTACKS http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=97166

Posted By: Daystar <Send E-Mail>Sunday, 24 December 2006, 11:11 a.m. In Response ANTIDEPRESSANTS SAVED MY LIFE (billym)

 

I don't doubt the suffering people go through and I realize some people need help immediately which is why I made sure I expressed that at the beginning. Although I've never been clinically depressed, I have had extreme anxiety and panic attacks. They came on me gradually and then became full blown when I acquired a flulike illness. The panic was so bad that I paced the floor trying to get away from it. At that time I did not know what was causing it so the doctor prescribed antianxiety meds. It was wonderful at first to have relief, even if it was only for 4 hours when I would take another pill. Gradually the side effects of the pills wearing off between each dose became worse than the problem was originally so I had to VERRYY slowly wean myself off. At that point, maybe a year later I discovered I no longer had the anxiety even tho I began to develope other severe forms of neurological lyme. I have since learned that I actually had lyme disease and that this is a major cause of this type of extreme anxiety. The lyme spirochete attacks the brain and causes many psychological symptoms, including depression. In fact, many who have manic depression and psychotic episodes, do have lyme disease and some people also have attending coinfections, such as mycoplasma.I feel I harbored the lyme organism for quite a while. In the beginning it affected my nervous system and caused some milder free floating anxiety. Now,if people's immune systems can keep the infection at this level, then a person may not even suspect an infectious disease. My concern is that the antidepressants cover up these beginning symptoms which are there to warn us. The testing for lyme is intentionally inaccurate which promotes misdiagnosis and the sale of antidepressants AND other symptomatic drugs. There is currently NO accepted mainstream test which can rule out lyme disease. It is becoming a severe pandemic. So, yes.....depression can be biochemical and people do need help. My concern is that it is microbes which are causing most of this biochemical depression. Many will say...oh, I inherited depression from my family. Well, I think that in an indirect way, they are correct. Even tho we are not told this , it is believed that lyme (like it's close cousin syphilis) can be passed through the blood supply, passed on through the placenta, through breast milk, intercourse....it is even found in tears.It is also thought by some researchers to be passed on by any blood sucking insects...not just ticks. What we may be facing could be similar to David Icke's Problem - Reaction - Solution. The government has admitted that lyme is a good candidate for a biowarfare agent and that they are studying it for this purpose. It appears to many that this "potential" biowarfare agent is a prime example of a very effective disabling biowarfare agent. Disabling agents are considered to be much more effective in crushing a nation that spreading a disease which kills. Another quality here is the difficulty in diagnosing which is a much desired trait of a biowarfare agent. It is also considered beneficial to use a biological agent which has many symptoms in different parts of the body....to make it seem as if a patient is malingering. These qualities result in the main cause of the disease being ignored and allowed to pass through the population unchecked. The result, many believe...is Parkinson's, Alzheimer's manic depression, ALS, lupus, CFS Fibromyalgia, ADD, Autism and the list continues to go on and on.So, they may have caused the problem of depression (the epidemic form we are facing), waited for our reaction...which is depression and the need for some agent to stop it and then they present the drugs which seem to help the situation (and really does help in some instances or the plan wouldn't work). Much money can be made on this form of symptomatic treatment and other "coverup the symptom drugs". Many times more than one agenda can be accomplished at once. Social control of the population is a huge motive. I am on a private doctor's email list with doctors and psychiatrists and lyme activists who are very concerned about microbes causing mental illness,,,especially lyme disease. So, I am not against people getting help when they need it but we have to demand that the real cause of all this chronic mental/physical illness be exposed. The social implications of most of the country being on antidepressants and other similar pysch drugs , is staggering. There are people who do not appear to have negative effects from this class of drugs but there are vast numbers who have had bad experiences with them. I was told I was depressed and didn't know it...so I was put on antidepressants. However the two times they tried to get me to take them, once I fainted and fell down a flight of stairs and had to be taken to the hospital. The other time when trying a different type, I had intense prickles and chills going up only one side of my body. Antidepressants are being prescribed for just about anyone. It's unbelievable.

 

ANTIDEPRESSANTS SAVED MY LIFE http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=97157

Posted By: billym <Send E-Mail>Sunday, 24 December 2006, 9:53 a.m. In Response ANTIDEPRESSANTS : MOTIVES BEHIND THE PUSH (Daystar)

 

Thoughts on Antidepressants Although I can agree with parts of this article it should not stand without some testimony from someone who has experienced severe clinical depression and been saved from suicide by an antidepressent. I am such a one. One must first distinguish between depression which has a biological cause and depression which is mind-based (mental, not brain). Depression which is caused by depletion of neurotransmitters is unlike anything you can imagine. No amount of talking can bring you out of it. The world and universe seem like a nightmare. Nothing makes any sense. Those involved in antidepressant-bashing have no idea what it's like. Before antidepressants the only medication readily at hand was alcohol. That's what I used at first. I didn't have a clue what was wrong with me. By numbing everything alcohol can give several hours of relief from the symptoms, but of course starts up its own pernicious cycle of deterioration. It is itself a depressant drug. Many drunks are just chronic depressives. The next day the symptoms return, along with hangover, and the cycle repeats. Brief symptomatic relief without touching the underlying chemical cause. The hysteria about antidepressants causing suicide is a total red herring. First, depressed people are already likely to want to kill themselves. But in the absence of a functioning brain (low neurotransmitters) they are completely incompetent to do so. They just can't seem to get it together. Taking ANY action is impossible because of their condition. When medication begins it takes a while to work and there is the danger period there. The depressed state is still not lifted fully, but the ability to take actions starts to return. So their long laid plans to kill themselves become possible. It's very simple. That's why a 2 week stay in the hospital is best during this critical period. They lock the doors. The key here is the real incapacity of the truly depressed. Such people are safer than those who are just starting to get better. Those in the depressed state can make endless plans for suicide and go round and round in circles but they don't have the ability to actually carry out their plans. However, when medication starts, they regain a bit of that ability before fully out of the state which inspired such plans in the first place. If they can get through this danger period they will later wonder why they ever wanted to die in the first place. The true depressed state is absolutely incomprehensible from the normal state (and vice versa). No one who has not been in the clinically depressed state is qualified to talk about it. It is unimaginable from the normal state. Those who have been there, know. Those who haven't felt it, suffered it, don't know what they are talking about. And they should feel glad that they don't. Another thing that one must understand is that there are lots of people in depression that is NOT caused by a brain chemical problem. This is called "situational depression" (my wife left me, I lost my house, I lost my job, nobody loves me, etc.). Such people do not need antidepressants (except perhaps as placebo), they need to work through the problems and endure somehow. Medication is not likely to help because it is not needed. There's a great deal of difference between having lots of problems and having something chemically wrong in your brain. But we tend to lump all kinds of depression together as one and say everyone who "feels bad" needs medication. I don't really need to discuss the issue because I have had proof, several times. The seeming miracle that occurs (and I really mean "miracle") when the medication starts working is the proof that it works. Only those who have been through it will understand what I am talking about. This "proof" is not just proof that the medications work, it is also proof to the persion that one's despression really was chemical in nature (true clinical depression) and not mere "situational depression." I remember during one bout the exact moment the medicine kicked in. I had been very sick with the depression for months and months. I was staying at a friend's house in Santa Moncia. I decided to go to the store. As I was walking along I simply looked up and saw the sky. It was blue with puffed clouds and it suddenly struck me as glorious. Then I realized that this was the first time I had looked up (while walking) in a long long time. I realized I had always been looking down at the sidewalk, seeing nothing, noticing nothing, interested in nothing. The colors were suddenly colors again, bright colors, and I realized I had been living in a black and white world. I had lost the colored world. After weeks of waiting for the meds to kick in I realized it was going to be okay. The darkness was lifting again. Yet another thing one must be aware of is that antidepressants are still in a crude stage of development, imperfect. Most work by affect what is called the "reuptake" of various neurotransmitters, boosting them by boosting the natural way they are re-used in the brain. This may not eventually be the best way to do it. There may be other ways. Another important point is that many better possible approaches are totally illegal. Ecstasy is an example of a chemical that was showing such promise in psychiatry that when it was made illegal there was such an outcry from psychiatrists all over the country that it was placed back in the experimental category. (Later when the flap died down they quietly made it illegal again). Recently there have been articles about the use of "magic mushrooms" for psychiatric problems. One study showed that the mushrooms can definitely give spiritual or religious experiences which change lives. Another study recently showed the mushrooms can help with obsessive compulsive disorder. One advantage of this (psychedelic) approach is that a single session (or a few) often does the work. One need not take some chemical indefinitely. It is more on the order of a cure rather than a mere treatment. Certainly such approaches are anethima to the pharma companies. They don't want a cure, that would dry up their business. Look at all the work of Alexander Shulgin who synthesized and test hundreds of molecules in the phenethylamine and triptimine families. So many promising avenues to follow and all of them illegal. And big pharma pays the lawmakers to keep them illegal. I would even class simple marijuana as a possible antidepressant. For those not too severely depressed it can work wonders by restoring interest in things, enjoyment of things, joy of communication with friends, appetite and enjoyment of food. Most depressed people have little appetite at all. Food looks strange and sinister. And then there is the so-called "zombie-effect." Again we have to discriminate a bit. The antipsychotic drugs definitely have this effect, as I have seen with various patients. But in my experience with antidepressants I see the opposite. I was a zombie when I was in the depressed state. No enthusiasm for anything. No interest in talking to anyone. Curled up in a corner incapacitated. After the meds started working it was like night and day. I think most cases of the zombie effect might be with people who were not truly clinically (chemically) depressed in the first place. The effect of antidepressants on people who don't really need them is a whole other topic. Obviously they should only be used for people whose despression is chemical. One of the biggest problems is that big pharma companies want everyone to take them. That's absurd. If it ain't broken, don't "fix" it. One of the weapons I used in fighting my own depression was knowledge. I read every book on depression in the library. I researched every drug on the internet. Severe depression can make you feel as if you are going crazy. With knowledge I realized I was not crazy. It was a chemical problem and treatable. This knowledge allowed me to hang on. True depression almost certainly has a genetic component. My mother had it. When I was two and a half and my younger brother was born my mother went into post partum depression, and for a long time. At that time (late 40s) there were NO antidepressants. She got two treatments: electroshock and insulin shock. In the latter the patient is given a big shot of insulin and they pass out into a diabetic coma. After some time (not sure how long) they are given glucose and brought back. That was somehow supposed to do something for the depression. Didn't work. Imagine the desperation of doctors driven to such extreme treatments in those days. Electroshock is still used today. Believe me, antidepressants are better. The hysteria over antidepressants is coming from people who have never been in a state of true depression. As I said, no one who has not been there can imagine what it is like. Even I, now that I am out of it, can't really remember what it was like. I just remember that it was pure psychic darkness. I can't really remember the "feel" of it or the horror. I was lucky because each time medication brought me out of it into the sunlight again. So I know as a personal fact that something that can do that can't be all bad. What is really needed now is to open up research and testing of the illegal drugs (see Alexander Shulgin), many of which may offer a one-shot cure instead of endless treatment with daily chemicals. That, of course, will be impossible as long as the big pharma companies wield so much power. If people want to get hysterical about dangerous chemicals, let them concentrate on alcohol and nicotine (tobacco). Those cause far more damage than antidepressant ever will, and you don't even need a prescription!