Bill to ban smoking on beaches, in car with kids

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LONG BEACH - If you need a smoke at a state-owned beach or park, or in a car with children, you might need to reconsider. Newly elected state senator Jenny Oropeza, (D-Carson), has introduced two bills that would ban smoking - one in state-owned beaches and parks (SB 4) and the other in cars carrying children (SB 7). Oropeza, a former state Assembly member and Long Beach City Council member, wants to protect people against the effect of toxins in second-hand smoke that doctors say can cause lung cancer, heart disease, emphysema and asthma. She also believes the ban at state beaches and parks, which would carry a $250 fine, will drastically cut down on litter that damages the environment. "There's a real environmental problem with cigarette butts and wrappers on the beaches that end up in the ocean and impact the water, the fish, and the food chain," Oropeza said. "Our parks are littered with them as well." Cigarette butts are the largest source of litter in parks, according to Paul Knepprath, vice president of the American Lung Association of California. "As we've seen the development of local smoke-free ordinances for beaches, piers and parks across California, this is an

important extension against second-hand smoke," Knepprath said. The second bill, carrying a fine of $100, would ban smoking in a car with children who are under the age of 18. The bills still need go on to a committee, most like the Senate Health Committee. "(Second-hand smoke) really affects the most vulnerable population - children - who are affected really in an exponential way relative to adults because their lungs are still developing," Oropeza said. The senator said the age threshold could be lowered in the bill, depending on data on the effects of smoke on children's lungs. A Senate bill banning smoking with children 6 or younger in a car passed this year but an Assembly version did not. Despite cars being private property, Knepprath said that the state has a responsibility to protect children. "All you have to know is if you're a child strapped in a safety seat and inundated with smoke this is a serious health issue," he said. "We're not regulating adult smoking. We're not saying they can't smoke. We do all kinds of things like child safety seats and requiring children to wear helmets when riding bicycles." Oropeza recently had a personal bout with liver cancer. She was diagnosed toward the end of the 2004 legislative session, then underwent surgery and chemotherapy before being declared cancer-free in 2005. She said her cancer was not smoking related, but it did raise her concern about health issues. "(The two bills) are not really connected to my cancer," she said. "Honestly, having cancer heightened my awareness to health issues in general but it's not really connected directly." Tom Auyeung, who was smoking outside his office building downtown, disagreed with the beach and park ban. "I mean, in public parks it's free air flowing around," Auyeung said. "I don't think it's that bad. You just put your butts in the trash can." However, he agreed with the children in car ban. "With the children, you should never smoke around them anyway," he said.

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I cannot see anything more inconsistent with logical human endeavour, than :

a] getting into a car, closing the electrically operated windows, cranking up the air-con, and lighting up a cancer stick.....

b] going to the beach, with all that fresh air, sea spray, and oxygenated atmosphere, and polluting it all for themselves and others, by lighting up a cancer stick - THEN, littering the area by burying the buts in the sand......

 

Must be a 'human trait'..... to foul in one's own nest......

 

Australia has such laws .. beach smoking is banned, as is smoking at playgrounds, and cars are seriously being looked at, but the most effective has been ban on smoking at eateries and inside bars ... VERY nice, as one can go home after enjoying a meal without second-hand effluent being wafted over the table, without stinking clothes/hair/etc....

Jorge

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Anti-Smoking Legislation should sweep the country, but nowhere is it more imperative than it is, to strongly ban smoking in automobiles occupied by underage children. Smoking probably ought not to be made illegal, but cigarette addicts should not be allowed to iinjure others with their pathetically stupid habit, and should not be allowed to pollute and contaminate the environment, especially beaches and parks. Cigarettes butts should be discarded in trash cans, for disposal in large trash receptacles of the kind found in front of everyone's home or apartment, and end up in trash trucks for delivery to the city dump. This should, by law, be the only route of disposal.

 

Cigarette smoking should be allowed in the privacy of one's home, and in bars, etc. Cigarettes should absolutely not be allowed where a majority of citizens have expressed a desire to see them prohibited, such as in all public places, in and in front of restaurants where people can dine outdoors, and where they're forced to sit in close proximity to one another.

 

Governments should be deaf to appeals from restauranteurs worried that they'll make less cash, if they disallow smoking, including those that seat their customers in outdoor environments. This is not a frivolous and harmless pastime. Cigarette smoking is the most toxic, addictive and deadly behavior that people find themselves trapped in. And this toxicity threatens the life of everyone exposed to it, whether they smoke or not. It's time that City and State governments take a mature and firm attitude toward this "legal" means of destroying ourselves and those unwittingly forced to be in our company or proximity, and proceed to make it illegal in all but the most permissive environmnts.

jp

 

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HAH

Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:07 PM

Bill to ban smoking on beaches, in car with kids

 

 

 

 

 

 

LONG BEACH - If you need a smoke at a state-owned beach or park, or in a car with children, you might need to reconsider. Newly elected state senator Jenny Oropeza, (D-Carson), has introduced two bills that would ban smoking - one in state-owned beaches and parks (SB 4) and the other in cars carrying children (SB 7). Oropeza, a former state Assembly member and Long Beach City Council member, wants to protect people against the effect of toxins in second-hand smoke that doctors say can cause lung cancer, heart disease, emphysema and asthma. She also believes the ban at state beaches and parks, which would carry a $250 fine, will drastically cut down on litter that damages the environment. "There's a real environmental problem with cigarette butts and wrappers on the beaches that end up in the ocean and impact the water, the fish, and the food chain," Oropeza said. "Our parks are littered with them as well." Cigarette butts are the largest source of litter in parks, according to Paul Knepprath, vice president of the American Lung Association of California. "As we've seen the development of local smoke-free ordinances for beaches, piers and parks across California, this is an

important extension against second-hand smoke," Knepprath said. The second bill, carrying a fine of $100, would ban smoking in a car with children who are under the age of 18. The bills still need go on to a committee, most like the Senate Health Committee. "(Second-hand smoke) really affects the most vulnerable population - children - who are affected really in an exponential way relative to adults because their lungs are still developing," Oropeza said. The senator said the age threshold could be lowered in the bill, depending on data on the effects of smoke on children's lungs. A Senate bill banning smoking with children 6 or younger in a car passed this year but an Assembly version did not. Despite cars being private property, Knepprath said that the state has a responsibility to protect children. "All you have to know is if you're a child strapped in a safety seat and inundated with smoke this is a serious health issue," he said. "We're not regulating adult smoking. We're not saying they can't smoke. We do all kinds of things like child safety seats and requiring children to wear helmets when riding bicycles." Oropeza recently had a personal bout with liver cancer. She was diagnosed toward the end of the 2004 legislative session, then underwent surgery and chemotherapy before being declared cancer-free in 2005. She said her cancer was not smoking related, but it did raise her concern about health issues. "(The two bills) are not really connected to my cancer," she said. "Honestly, having cancer heightened my awareness to health issues in general but it's not really connected directly." Tom Auyeung, who was smoking outside his office building downtown, disagreed with the beach and park ban. "I mean, in public parks it's free air flowing around," Auyeung said. "I don't think it's that bad. You just put your butts in the trash can." However, he agreed with the children in car ban. "With the children, you should never smoke around them anyway," he said.

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Yeah, it's amazing how filthy we are towards are own planet and loved ones when it comes to sucking on those cancer sticks/fags~ I work in the children's department of our local library and it just astounds me when i smell cigarette smoke seeping from children after they've been exposed to it for i don't know how many hours/years since they've been alive! I am so appalled at parents that allow their precious babies to inhale such dangerous toxins from their own hands! just sickening!

 

It such be outlawed anywhere around children, as well, not just in cars, just like an unlocked handgun should be~

 

Hempress

 

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Jorge Roshkov

12/15/06 12:54:52

 

Re: Bill to ban smoking on beaches, in car with kids

 

 

 

I cannot see anything more inconsistent with logical human endeavour, than :

a] getting into a car, closing the electrically operated windows, cranking up the air-con, and lighting up a cancer stick.....

b] going to the beach, with all that fresh air, sea spray, and oxygenated atmosphere, and polluting it all for themselves and others, by lighting up a cancer stick - THEN, littering the area by burying the buts in the sand......

 

Must be a 'human trait'..... to foul in one's own nest......

 

Australia has such laws .. beach smoking is banned, as is smoking at playgrounds, and cars are seriously being looked at, but the most effective has been ban on smoking at eateries and inside bars ... VERY nice, as one can go home after enjoying a meal without second-hand effluent being wafted over the table, without stinking clothes/hair/etc....

Jorge

 

 

[Guest guest]

oops!

 

 

 

"Yeah, it's amazing how filthy we are towards are own planet and"

 

(our own planet)

 

"It such be outlawed anywhere around children"

 

(It should be outlawed)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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HAH

12/16/06 19:08:25

 

Re: Bill to ban smoking on beaches, in car with kids

 

Yeah, it's amazing how filthy we are towards are own planet and loved ones when it comes to sucking on those cancer sticks/fags~ I work in the children's department of our local library and it just astounds me when i smell cigarette smoke seeping from children after they've been exposed to it for i don't know how many hours/years since they've been alive! I am so appalled at parents that allow their precious babies to inhale such dangerous toxins from their own hands! just sickening!

 

It such be outlawed anywhere around children, as well, not just in cars, just like an unlocked handgun should be~

 

Hempress

 

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Jorge Roshkov

12/15/06 12:54:52

 

Re: Bill to ban smoking on beaches, in car with kids

 

 

 

I cannot see anything more inconsistent with logical human endeavour, than :

a] getting into a car, closing the electrically operated windows, cranking up the air-con, and lighting up a cancer stick.....

b] going to the beach, with all that fresh air, sea spray, and oxygenated atmosphere, and polluting it all for themselves and others, by lighting up a cancer stick - THEN, littering the area by burying the buts in the sand......

 

Must be a 'human trait'..... to foul in one's own nest......

 

Australia has such laws .. beach smoking is banned, as is smoking at playgrounds, and cars are seriously being looked at, but the most effective has been ban on smoking at eateries and inside bars ... VERY nice, as one can go home after enjoying a meal without second-hand effluent being wafted over the table, without stinking clothes/hair/etc....

Jorge

 

 

 

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Can we put this in context? Not that i advocate smoking---but can we get REAL? http://images.search./search/images?p=chemtrails & fr=yfp-t-501 & toggle=1 & cop=mss & ei=UTF-8 & vc= & fp_ip=CA HAH <GaiaHemp wrote:

oops! "Yeah, it's amazing how filthy we are towards are own planet and" (our own planet) "It such be outlawed anywhere around children" (It should be outlawed) ---- HAH 12/16/06 19:08:25 Re: Bill to ban smoking on beaches, in car with kids Yeah, it's amazing how filthy we are towards are own planet and loved ones when it comes to sucking on those cancer sticks/fags~ I work in the children's department of our local library and it just astounds me when i smell cigarette smoke seeping from children after they've been exposed to it for i don't know how many hours/years since they've been alive! I am so appalled at parents that allow their precious babies to inhale such

dangerous toxins from their own hands! just sickening! It such be outlawed anywhere around children, as well, not just in cars, just like an unlocked handgun should be~ Hempress ---- Jorge Roshkov 12/15/06 12:54:52 Re: Bill to ban smoking on beaches, in car with kids I cannot see anything more inconsistent with logical human endeavour, than : a] getting into a car, closing the electrically operated windows, cranking up the air-con, and lighting up a cancer stick..... b] going to the beach, with all that fresh air, sea spray, and oxygenated atmosphere, and polluting it all for themselves and others, by lighting up a cancer stick - THEN, littering the area by burying the buts in the sand...... Must be a 'human trait'..... to foul in one's own nest...... Australia has such laws .. beach smoking is banned, as is smoking at playgrounds, and cars are seriously being looked at, but the most effective has been ban on smoking at eateries and inside bars ...

VERY nice, as one can go home after enjoying a meal without second-hand effluent being wafted over the table, without stinking clothes/hair/etc.... Jorge

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I do not favor the prohibition of cigarette smoking under all circumstances. But consider, that hemp, a plant which continues to get every kind of bad press from the establishment media, is infinitely more useful to mankind and certainly no more harmful. Yet nearly all marijuana smokers must engage their habit in hiding from the law, like criminals. Why is cigarette smoking not in this position? ...can we get REAL? But cigarette smoking is responsible for 1/2 million deaths a year, and this makes no mention of the suffering it brings to a vastly larger number that simply fail to die from their addictiion. Our cancer and heart disease statistics are swollen greatly by this scourge of cigarette smoking. I see no reason why millions of people must be forced to encounter this insanity and not be able to escape it everywhere they go in heavily populated society.

 

I say make it illegal in all areas where there is not universal approval for its use, such as in bars and in the privacy of your home. Have strict laws for the disposal of cigarette butts, so that they contaminate and pollute areas where people try to experience fairly wholesome public activities such as exist at beaches and parks.

 

In this opinion, I probably am in a distinct minority; but I believe that cigarette somking is "not" a choice. It's addictive, learned behavior, usually learned when we're children, and wish to seem "adult," and "mature," and when we know nothing of the destruction we inflict on our bodies. The cigarette companies are run by the true drug dealers in our country, and they care nothing for the health of our people. I smoked from the age of 15 til the age of 30, fifteen years which have caused me irreparable damage, and shortened my life. Even though I've stopped for decades, the damage can never be undone, and I'll die prematurely of heart disease or cancer. Does this sound like a habit that we can play around with?

 

jp

 

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Bea Bernhausen

Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:42 PM

Re: Bill to ban smoking on beaches, in car with kids

 

 

 

Can we put this in context? Not that i advocate smoking---but can we get REAL?

 

http://images.search./search/images?p=chemtrails & fr=yfp-t-501 & toggle=1 & cop=mss & ei=UTF-8 & vc= & fp_ip=CA

 

HAH <GaiaHemp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

oops!

 

 

 

"Yeah, it's amazing how filthy we are towards are own planet and"

 

(our own planet)

 

"It such be outlawed anywhere around children"

 

(It should be outlawed)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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HAH

12/16/06 19:08:25

 

Re: Bill to ban smoking on beaches, in car with kids

 

Yeah, it's amazing how filthy we are towards are own planet and loved ones when it comes to sucking on those cancer sticks/fags~ I work in the children's department of our local library and it just astounds me when i smell cigarette smoke seeping from children after they've been exposed to it for i don't know how many hours/years since they've been alive! I am so appalled at parents that allow their precious babies to inhale such dangerous toxins from their own hands! just sickening!

 

It such be outlawed anywhere around children, as well, not just in cars, just like an unlocked handgun should be~

 

Hempress

 

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Jorge Roshkov

12/15/06 12:54:52

 

Re: Bill to ban smoking on beaches, in car with kids

 

 

 

I cnot see anything more inconsistent with logical human endeavour, than :

a] getting into a car, closing the electrically operated windows, cranking up the air-con, and lighting up a cancer stick.....

b] going to the beach, with all that fresh air, sea spray, and oxygenated atmosphere, and polluting it all for themselves and others, by lighting up a cancer stick - THEN, littering the area by burying the buts in the sand......

 

Must be a 'human trait'..... to foul in one's own nest......

 

Australia has such laws .. beach smoking is banned, as is smoking at playgrounds, and cars are seriously being looked at, but the most effective has been ban on smoking at eateries and inside bars ... VERY nice, as one can go home after enjoying a meal without second-hand effluent being wafted over the table, without stinking clothes/hair/etc....

Jorge

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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you are so right, we see it as smoke/toxins but those in power say it isn't such~

 

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Bea Bernhausen

12/16/06 21:44:34

 

Re: Bill to ban smoking on beaches, in car with kids

 

 

 

Can we put this in context? Not that i advocate smoking---but can we get REAL?

 

http://images.search./search/images?p=chemtrails & fr=yfp-t-501 & toggle=1 & cop=mss & ei=UTF-8 & vc= & fp_ip=CA

 

HAH <GaiaHemp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

oops!

 

 

 

"Yeah, it's amazing how filthy we are towards are own planet and"

 

(our own planet)

 

"It such be outlawed anywhere around children"

 

(It should be outlawed)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----

 

 

HAH

12/16/06 19:08:25

 

Re: Bill to ban smoking on beaches, in car with kids

 

Yeah, it's amazing how filthy we are towards are own planet and loved ones when it comes to sucking on those cancer sticks/fags~ I work in the children's department of our local library and it just astounds me when i smell cigarette smoke seeping from children after they've been exposed to it for i don't know how many hours/years since they've been alive! I am so appalled at parents that allow their precious babies to inhale such dangerous toxins from their own hands! just sickening!

 

It such be outlawed anywhere around children, as well, not just in cars, just like an unlocked handgun should be~

 

Hempress

 

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Jorge Roshkov

12/15/06 12:54:52

 

Re: Bill to ban smoking on beaches, in car with kids

 

 

 

I cannot see anything more inconsistent with logical human endeavour, than :

a] getting into a car, closing the electrically operated windows, cranking up the air-con, and lighting up a cancer stick.....

b] going to the beach, with all that fresh air, sea spray, and oxygenated atmosphere, and polluting it all for themselves and others, by lighting up a cancer stick - THEN, littering the area by burying the buts in the sand......

 

Must be a 'human trait'..... to foul in one's own nest......

 

Australia has such laws .. beach smoking is banned, as is smoking at playgrounds, and cars are seriously being looked at, but the most effective has been ban on smoking at eateries and inside bars ... VERY nice, as one can go home after enjoying a meal without second-hand effluent being wafted over the table, without stinking clothes/hair/etc....

Jorge

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I have seen several people driving, smoking AND oxygen cannulas up their noses!

 

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Jorge Roshkov

12/15/06 12:54:52

 

Re: Bill to ban smoking on beaches, in car with kids

 

 

 

I cannot see anything more inconsistent with logical human endeavour, than :

a] getting into a car, closing the electrically operated windows, cranking up the air-con, and lighting up a cancer stick.....

b] going to the beach, with all that fresh air, sea spray, and oxygenated atmosphere, and polluting it all for themselves and others, by lighting up a cancer stick - THEN, littering the area by burying the buts in the sand......

 

Must be a 'human trait'..... to foul in one's own nest......

 

Australia has such laws .. beach smoking is banned, as is smoking at playgrounds, and cars are seriously being looked at, but the most effective has been ban on smoking at eateries and inside bars ... VERY nice, as one can go home after enjoying a meal without second-hand effluent being wafted over the table, without stinking clothes/hair/etc....

Jorge

 

 

[Guest guest]

What a lot of people don't know is that smokers have NO smoker's cough

in the middle of the ocean. What's missing? car exhaust fumes. Best

way to put a cranky toddler to sleep is to go for a ride. Granted,

smoking is not good. Instead of berating and taxing smokers, I feel

that the government should demand all tobacco be grown organic. And by

the way, I do live on a tropical island and I've seen non-smokers

leaving trash on the beaches. As the old saying goes, there's two sides

to a coin. Which is worse-cigarette butts or chewing gum on the ground?

[Guest guest]

My own thought is that if government can ban smoking, then they can ban other things. What it becomes is government decides what is healthy for us and what is not. It takes my decision based on my own knowledge away. Maybe they would at some time decide that I would be healthier in a concentration camp. And then everyone will praise the wonders of good government.

 

Ed

 

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palmtreeswinger

Monday, December 18, 2006 6:38 AM

Re: Bill to ban smoking on beaches, in car with kids

 

 

What a lot of people don't know is that smokers have NO smoker's cough in the middle of the ocean. What's missing? car exhaust fumes. Best way to put a cranky toddler to sleep is to go for a ride. Granted, smoking is not good. Instead of berating and taxing smokers, I feel that the government should demand all tobacco be grown organic. And by the way, I do live on a tropical island and I've seen non-smokers leaving trash on the beaches. As the old saying goes, there's two sides to a coin. Which is worse-cigarette butts or chewing gum on the ground?

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But that's like saying "if the government can ban slavery, then they can ban other things" We as The People tend to know what those "other things" are when it comes to removing really terrible things that do harm to innocent people and our environment in these modern times~ I mean, they aren't banning smoking all together but in certain places, that's all~

 

When i would get hospitalized for asthma in the 80s, i'd wake up in my bed laying next to someone smoking! So i dont see anything wrong with them extending more regulations against something so addicting and filthy like smoking, for i am sure many folks complained about smoking being banned in hospitals back then, as well, but i for one applaud all decisions against smoking anywhere public and private after what ive been thru at the hands of such selfish people~

 

 

 

Hempress

 

 

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Ed Siceloff

12/21/06 14:59:56

 

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My own thought is that if government can ban smoking, then they can ban other things. What it becomes is government decides what is healthy for us and what is not. It takes my decision based on my own knowledge away. Maybe they would at some time decide that I would be healthier in a concentration camp. And then everyone will praise the wonders of good government.

 

Ed

 

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palmtreeswinger

Monday, December 18, 2006 6:38 AM

Re: Bill to ban smoking on beaches, in car with kids

 

 

What a lot of people don't know is that smokers have NO smoker's cough in the middle of the ocean. What's missing? car exhaust fumes. Best way to put a cranky toddler to sleep is to go for a ride. Granted, smoking is not good. Instead of berating and taxing smokers, I feel that the government should demand all tobacco be grown organic. And by the way, I do live on a tropical island and I've seen non-smokers leaving trash on the beaches. As the old saying goes, there's two sides to a coin. Which is worse-cigarette butts or chewing gum on the ground?