Arthritis and Diet

[Guest guest]

Arthritis and Diet A healthy diet can help the body in its efforts to heal itself, and in some cases, particular foods can lessen symptoms. To address problems commonly associated with arthritis, try the following: Decrease protein toward 10 percent of daily caloric intake. Replace animal protein as much as possible with plant protein. Eliminate milk and milk products, substituting other calcium sources. Eliminate polyunsaturated vegetable oils, margarine, vegetable shortening, all partially hydrogenated oils, and all foods that might contain trans-fatty acids (such as deep-fried foods). Use extra-virgin olive oil as your main fat. Increase intake of omega-3 fatty acids. Eat ginger and turmeric regularly, both of which are natural anti-inflammatories.

Dr. Weil http://www.drweil.com "Get off your ass and take your government back." ~Rocky Ward

[Guest guest]

Dr. Weil has low credibility as an information source.

 

For example, he is wrong on decreasing protein to 10% of daily

caloric intake; his mistake is obviously based on the popular but

incorrect generalisation that all animal proteins are equivalent,

while nothing could be further from the truth.

 

Undenatured whey protein can be increased; an animal protein, it

is unique in that it is alkalizing rather than acidifying. It's

also more alkalizing than the plant proteins Weil champions.

 

Undenatured whey is much more easily assimilated than any other

protein, with almost no digestion being required (useful for the

very young and those with impaired digestion). Undenatured whey

has in fact the highest biological value of any protein;

conversely, the plant protein Weil champions has the lowest

biological value.

 

Undenatured whey is also the strongest natural glutathione

promoter known; conversely, there are only traces of glutathione

precursors in raw vegetables. This is pretty important

considering glutathione is not only the master antioxidant and

detoxifier but also a crucial part of the Krebs energy (ATP)

cycle.

 

With regard to arthritis, undenatured whey not only reduces

inflammation by reducing free radical damage, it immunomodulates

away from that inflammation process as well. Clearly, undenatured

whey can be increased to a majority of caloric intake as part of

the cure, with no risk at all.

 

Moving on, Weil's comment on olive oil being fit for consumption

as your main fat shows he knows little about fat metabolism. I'm

pleased he stopped championing canola oil in the last couple of

years but still, using olive oil as the main fat would still

provide too much omega-6 unless you were limiting its use. A read

of fatty acids expert Floyd Chilton's book Inflammation Nation

provides revelatory details. Your main fat should be SATURATED

fat, which is not inflammatory and is not involved in

atherosclerosis.

 

Weil is correct that increasing omega-3 oils is a good idea for

most people (dose dependant); DHA and EPA are anti-inflammatory

AND used in cell membranes as construction material.

 

In the context of arthritis inflammation and omega-3 oils, I'd

like to draw your attention to a pair of rare omega-3 oils

extracted from the Green-lipped mussel, that reduce inflammation

at a dose of just 1% of the DHA and EPA in cod-liver oil. Here's

the fascinating work so far:

http://www.aor.ca/related_research/lyprinol.php

 

A key concept that Weil missed entirely with regard to arthritis

information is the involvement of toxin load produced by a bad

bowel fluorish called dysbiosis. From my website: " Other research

has linked ulcerative colitis and Crohn´s disease, and also

irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), bowel candida, vaginitis, and

vaginal yeast infections, urinary tract infections (UTI),

rheumatoid arthritis, pancreatitis, ear infections, diarrhea,

constipation, lupus, breast cancer, cirrhosis of the liver, acne,

premenstrual syndrome (PMS), and psoriasis to dysbiosis. "

 

Dysbiosis and leaky gut syndrome are diet-induced; an inadequate

amount of inulin to balance sugar and starch intake fails to feed

probiotic organisms so they have a fighting chance at controlling

pathogen fluorish and their toxins For more information along

these lines I urge anyone with arthritis, leaky gut syndrome or

dysbiosis to join the candidiasis :

candidiasis

 

 

Duncan

 

 

On 15 Dec 2006 at 10:25,

wrote:

 

> Arthritis and Diet

> Posted by: " Rocky Ward " rachelleward2 rachelleward2

> Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:21 am ((PST))

>

> Arthritis and Diet

>

> A healthy diet can help the body in its efforts to heal itself, and

> in some cases, particular foods can lessen symptoms. To address

> problems commonly associated with arthritis, try the following:

>

> Decrease protein toward 10 percent of daily caloric intake. Replace

> animal protein as much as possible with plant protein. Eliminate

> milk and milk products, substituting other calcium sources.

> Eliminate polyunsaturated vegetable oils, margarine, vegetable

> shortening, all partially hydrogenated oils, and all foods that

> might contain trans-fatty acids (such as deep-fried foods). Use

> extra-virgin olive oil as your main fat. Increase intake of

> omega-3 fatty acids. Eat ginger and turmeric regularly, both of

> which are natural anti-inflammatories.

>

> Dr. Weil

> http://www.drweil.com

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan

For my part i support Dr Weils view on this issue . You say he has

low credibility, yet you only parrott the high protien crowd. What

credentials do you have to make such remarks?

 

Billy

 

, Duncan Crow

<duncancrow wrote:

>

> Dr. Weil has low credibility as an information source.

>

> For example, he is wrong on decreasing protein to 10% of daily

> caloric intake; his mistake is obviously based on the popular but

> incorrect generalisation that all animal proteins are equivalent,

> while nothing could be further from the truth.

>

> Undenatured whey protein can be increased; an animal protein, it

> is unique in that it is alkalizing rather than acidifying. It's

> also more alkalizing than the plant proteins Weil champions.

>

> Undenatured whey is much more easily assimilated than any other

> protein, with almost no digestion being required (useful for the

> very young and those with impaired digestion). Undenatured whey

> has in fact the highest biological value of any protein;

> conversely, the plant protein Weil champions has the lowest

> biological value.

>

> Undenatured whey is also the strongest natural glutathione

> promoter known; conversely, there are only traces of glutathione

> precursors in raw vegetables. This is pretty important

> considering glutathione is not only the master antioxidant and

> detoxifier but also a crucial part of the Krebs energy (ATP)

> cycle.

>

> With regard to arthritis, undenatured whey not only reduces

> inflammation by reducing free radical damage, it immunomodulates

> away from that inflammation process as well. Clearly, undenatured

> whey can be increased to a majority of caloric intake as part of

> the cure, with no risk at all.

>

> Moving on, Weil's comment on olive oil being fit for consumption

> as your main fat shows he knows little about fat metabolism. I'm

> pleased he stopped championing canola oil in the last couple of

> years but still, using olive oil as the main fat would still

> provide too much omega-6 unless you were limiting its use. A read

> of fatty acids expert Floyd Chilton's book Inflammation Nation

> provides revelatory details. Your main fat should be SATURATED

> fat, which is not inflammatory and is not involved in

> atherosclerosis.

>

> Weil is correct that increasing omega-3 oils is a good idea for

> most people (dose dependant); DHA and EPA are anti-inflammatory

> AND used in cell membranes as construction material.

>

> In the context of arthritis inflammation and omega-3 oils, I'd

> like to draw your attention to a pair of rare omega-3 oils

> extracted from the Green-lipped mussel, that reduce inflammation

> at a dose of just 1% of the DHA and EPA in cod-liver oil. Here's

> the fascinating work so far:

> http://www.aor.ca/related_research/lyprinol.php

>

> A key concept that Weil missed entirely with regard to arthritis

> information is the involvement of toxin load produced by a bad

> bowel fluorish called dysbiosis. From my website: " Other research

> has linked ulcerative colitis and Crohn´s disease, and also

> irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), bowel candida, vaginitis, and

> vaginal yeast infections, urinary tract infections (UTI),

> rheumatoid arthritis, pancreatitis, ear infections, diarrhea,

> constipation, lupus, breast cancer, cirrhosis of the liver, acne,

> premenstrual syndrome (PMS), and psoriasis to dysbiosis. "

>

> Dysbiosis and leaky gut syndrome are diet-induced; an inadequate

> amount of inulin to balance sugar and starch intake fails to feed

> probiotic organisms so they have a fighting chance at controlling

> pathogen fluorish and their toxins For more information along

> these lines I urge anyone with arthritis, leaky gut syndrome or

> dysbiosis to join the candidiasis :

> candidiasis

>

>

> Duncan

>

>

> On 15 Dec 2006 at 10:25,

> wrote:

>

> > Arthritis and Diet

> > Posted by: " Rocky Ward " rachelleward2 rachelleward2

> > Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:21 am ((PST))

> >

> > Arthritis and Diet

> >

> > A healthy diet can help the body in its efforts to heal itself,

and

> > in some cases, particular foods can lessen symptoms. To address

> > problems commonly associated with arthritis, try the following:

> >

> > Decrease protein toward 10 percent of daily caloric intake.

Replace

> > animal protein as much as possible with plant protein.

Eliminate

> > milk and milk products, substituting other calcium sources.

> > Eliminate polyunsaturated vegetable oils, margarine, vegetable

> > shortening, all partially hydrogenated oils, and all foods that

> > might contain trans-fatty acids (such as deep-fried foods). Use

> > extra-virgin olive oil as your main fat. Increase intake of

> > omega-3 fatty acids. Eat ginger and turmeric regularly, both

of

> > which are natural anti-inflammatories.

> >

> > Dr. Weil

> > http://www.drweil.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Billy,

 

I highlighted Weil's error in grouping the properties of very

dissimilar proteins; if you re-read my post you'll see that it's

not an argument of high protein vs. low protein at all, and I

find your argument to be shallow and defensive.

 

I don't care whose opinion you follow; I invite you to appreciate

facts over opinion as being more productive. Weil may be sitting

on a stack of credentials; the slight elevation obtained may

serve to impress a few people but it doesn't give him the

detailed knowledge required to comment on any specific subject. I

mean, all of us know doctors who haven't a clue, and I'm sure

they all have some followers.

 

Duncan Crow

 

On 16 Dec 2006 at 7:46, wrote:

 

> Re: Arthritis and Diet

> Posted by: " billy171john " billy171 billy171john

> Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:35 pm ((PST))

>

> Duncan

> For my part i support Dr Weils view on this issue . You say he has

> low credibility, yet you only parrott the high protien crowd. What

> credentials do you have to make such remarks?

>

> Billy

[Guest guest]

well Duncan

 

We would like to have the facts but this area is rife with

contending opinion. You did not offer any persuasion to your view .

Since you present no credentials we assume you read someone who

disagrees with Dr .Weil . Perhaps; you are busy drinking great

quanities of Whey or selling the product .

I gather from a quick web search " undenatured " is a buzz word since

it is still described as an isolate wich almost universally means

hydrolyzed .For my part my specialty is electrical engineering and

can not make sweeping statements on my own about biochemistry and

health .

 

I avoid all bovine products and it has greatly improved my health.

There is a persuasive argument available to avoid milk and more-so

hydrolyzed milk concentrates.

 

I would advise someone to rigorously avoid these products for a few

months and then to take them and see if they were helpfull or not .

All milk based products are generally pro-inflammatory and pro

arthritic in view of the general health movement.

 

Billy

 

 

 

 

, Duncan Crow

<duncancrow wrote:

>

> Billy,

>

> I highlighted Weil's error in grouping the properties of very

> dissimilar proteins; if you re-read my post you'll see that it's

> not an argument of high protein vs. low protein at all, and I

> find your argument to be shallow and defensive.

>

> I don't care whose opinion you follow; I invite you to appreciate

> facts over opinion as being more productive. Weil may be sitting

> on a stack of credentials; the slight elevation obtained may

> serve to impress a few people but it doesn't give him the

> detailed knowledge required to comment on any specific subject. I

> mean, all of us know doctors who haven't a clue, and I'm sure

> they all have some followers.

>

> Duncan Crow

>

> On 16 Dec 2006 at 7:46, wrote:

>

> > Re: Arthritis and Diet

> > Posted by: " billy171john " billy171 billy171john

> > Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:35 pm ((PST))

> >

> > Duncan

> > For my part i support Dr Weils view on this issue . You say he

has

> > low credibility, yet you only parrott the high protien crowd. What

> > credentials do you have to make such remarks?

> >

> > Billy

>

[Guest guest]

Billy, contending opinion is everywhere, but some of those opinions

will be baseless as we have seen in this case of Weil's opinion

on " animal protein " .

 

I'm pleased that you would like to have the facts; I know the facts

of this area of research very well, and I didn't go with gut feelings

or other peoples' opinions to get there. If I had, I would have been

snowed too as so many are.

 

Here are some facts I pointed out; a Gooogle search turns up that

whey has far higher biological value than vegetable protein, meaning

its easily assimilated:

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/proteinrating.html

 

Similarly, a search on alkaline ash foods shows whey isolate is the

MOST alkalizing protein:

http://www.essense-of-life.com/info/foodchart.htm

 

Then, entering glutathione whey in the pubmed search box, (here's

PubMed: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

CMD=search & DB=PubMed) reveals whey is unexcelled as a glutathione

increaser.

 

There can be no dispute on these three points.

 

Further PubMed searches turn up glutathione's properties as an

immunomodulator, infection suppressor, and so on. These are not

properties of other proteins. Try another keyword such as

mitochondrial or a disease with glutathione to see how crucial it is.

Look up age AND glutathione and see that all centenarians had

unulsually high glutathione levels.

 

Many of the most interesting PubMed searches have been prewritten and

mounted on my website since 1999. (Told you I knew the work Here's

a specific PubMed search on the topic of arthritis and inflammation

that you broached:

http://tinyurl.com/ybolud

 

This is the full text of the search:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=PureSearch

& db=PubMed & details_term=((%22arthritis%22%5BMeSH+Ter

ms%5D+OR+arthritis%5BText+Word%5D)++AND++(Th2 OR Th-2 OR imm

unomodulator)++AND++(%22glutathione%22%5BMeSH+Terms%5D+OR+gl

utathione%5BText+Word%5D))

 

You can find the rest of my glutathione searches by Gooogling Duncan

Crow glutathione references.

 

Anyway, point by point, property by property, I have stripped away

the most common arguments for tossing undenatured whey into the same

bin as " unhealthy animal protein " as Weil did.

 

Obviously, it was Weil, credentials and all, and not I, who followed

some other person's baseless and counterproductive opinion posing as

information; that makes Weil's work sloppy as I previously pointed

out, and his stance on protein a sham, as I'm sure you are now

beginning to appreciate.

 

I urge you to separate myth from fact as I did, and distinguish the

messenger from the message as everyone should. Your belief system

on " milk products " is your business but be aware there are

pronounced, even diametrically opposed differences between them.

While some fraction of society has the opinion whey is not good, the

facts support its use especially in the area of inflammation,

arthritis and general health, as noted above. In other words,

research and practice shows risk:benefit on undenatured whey heavily

favours benefit while not exposing risk.

 

While I've used whey in the cure process, you encourage people to

follow your own advice, which carries even less weight than Weil's

credentialed opinion, which I've already proven is baseless. This is

how myth propagates itself; repetition of myth structures is kind of

like mold in the apple barrel, and we should try to avoid it without

checking on the facts.

 

Duncan

 

, " billy171john "

<billy171 wrote:

>

>

> well Duncan

>

> We would like to have the facts but this area is rife with

> contending opinion. You did not offer any persuasion to your view .

> Since you present no credentials we assume you read someone who

> disagrees with Dr .Weil . Perhaps; you are busy drinking great

> quanities of Whey or selling the product .

> I gather from a quick web search " undenatured " is a buzz word

since

> it is still described as an isolate wich almost universally means

> hydrolyzed .For my part my specialty is electrical engineering and

> can not make sweeping statements on my own about biochemistry and

> health .

>

> I avoid all bovine products and it has greatly improved my health.

> There is a persuasive argument available to avoid milk and more-so

> hydrolyzed milk concentrates.

>

> I would advise someone to rigorously avoid these products for a few

> months and then to take them and see if they were helpfull or not .

> All milk based products are generally pro-inflammatory and pro

> arthritic in view of the general health movement.

>

> Billy

>

>

>

>

> , Duncan Crow

> <duncancrow@> wrote:

> >

> > Billy,

> >

> > I highlighted Weil's error in grouping the properties of very

> > dissimilar proteins; if you re-read my post you'll see that it's

> > not an argument of high protein vs. low protein at all, and I

> > find your argument to be shallow and defensive.

> >

> > I don't care whose opinion you follow; I invite you to appreciate

> > facts over opinion as being more productive. Weil may be sitting

> > on a stack of credentials; the slight elevation obtained may

> > serve to impress a few people but it doesn't give him the

> > detailed knowledge required to comment on any specific subject. I

> > mean, all of us know doctors who haven't a clue, and I'm sure

> > they all have some followers.

> >

> > Duncan Crow

> >

> > On 16 Dec 2006 at 7:46, wrote:

> >

> > > Re: Arthritis and Diet

> > > Posted by: " billy171john " billy171@ billy171john

> > > Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:35 pm ((PST))

> > >

> > > Duncan

> > > For my part i support Dr Weils view on this issue . You say he

> has

> > > low credibility, yet you only parrott the high protien crowd.

What

> > > credentials do you have to make such remarks?

> > >

> > > Billy

> >

>