Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 - NEWS FROM THE TIPI Monday, October 09, 2006 8:58 AM Troops spread superbug. www.timesonline.co.uk/ Troops 'spread superbug'Steven Swinford WOUNDED troops returning from Iraq have been linked by government scientists to outbreaks of a deadly superbug in National Health Service hospitals. Injured soldiers flown back to be treated on the NHS have been infected with a rare strain of Acinetobacter baumannii, a superbug resistant to antibiotics. At one hospital in Birmingham in 2003 the bacteria went on to infect 93 people, 91 of whom were civilians. Thirty-five died, although the hospital has not been able to establish whether the superbug was a contributory factor. The revelation comes amid growing concerns about the treatment of wounded troops on NHS wards alongside civilian patients. It follows reports that a paratrooper, wounded in Afghanistan and treated at the hospital — Selly Oak in Birmingham — was allegedly threatened by a Muslim visitor. Acinetobacter baumannii commonly inhabits soil and water and is associated with warmer climates such as the Middle East. It is resistant to most common antibiotics and, if left untreated, can lead to pneumonia, fever and septicemia. The bacterium has become a concern in the US army, where it has been identified in more than 240 military personnel since 2003, killing five. The first case in a British soldier returning from Iraq has been disclosed by scientists from the government’s Health Protection Agency. In a survey of 30 NHS trusts that had received troops, they discovered a soldier at Selly Oak, which houses the Royal Centre for Defence Medicine, had been infected with a strain of the bacterium known as “T”. Another British soldier infected with the superbug was admitted to the hospital in November 2004. Dr Mark Enright, a reader in epidemiology at London’s Imperial College, said the superbug can spread rapidly in intensive care wards. It can also survive on dry surfaces for up to 20 days. “The problem is that acinetobacter can spread like wildfire between patients. If you’ve got someone who has been evacuated from Iraq with multiple burns and acinetobacter, it would spread to patients in the same unit from the hands of nursing staff and doctors.” The Ministry of Defence said it was negotiating with Selly Oak to create a military-only ward, and added that it had introduced “stringent isolation and infection control measures” that had helped limit infections among military personnel to two soldiers, both of whom survived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Down in the last paragraphs it mentions acenetobacter spreading from one patient to the other merely through the use of the doctors' and nurses' hands. Can anybody explain to me how this could be if doctors and nurses are following strict sanitary procedures, perhaps wearing gloves and changing gloves between patients, especially when knowing about the possibility of acenetobacter contamination. ed - NEWS FROM THE TIPI Undisclosed-Recipient:; Monday, October 09, 2006 11:59 AM Re: Troops spread superbug. - NEWS FROM THE TIPI Monday, October 09, 2006 8:58 AM Troops spread superbug. www.timesonline.co.uk/ Troops 'spread superbug'Steven Swinford WOUNDED troops returning from Iraq have been linked by government scientists to outbreaks of a deadly superbug in National Health Service hospitals. Injured soldiers flown back to be treated on the NHS have been infected with a rare strain of Acinetobacter baumannii, a superbug resistant to antibiotics. At one hospital in Birmingham in 2003 the bacteria went on to infect 93 people, 91 of whom were civilians. Thirty-five died, although the hospital has not been able to establish whether the superbug was a contributory factor. The revelation comes amid growing concerns about the treatment of wounded troops on NHS wards alongside civilian patients. It follows reports that a paratrooper, wounded in Afghanistan and treated at the hospital — Selly Oak in Birmingham — was allegedly threatened by a Muslim visitor. Acinetobacter baumannii commonly inhabits soil and water and is associated with warmer climates such as the Middle East. It is resistant to most common antibiotics and, if left untreated, can lead to pneumonia, fever and septicemia. The bacterium has become a concern in the US army, where it has been identified in more than 240 military personnel since 2003, killing five. The first case in a British soldier returning from Iraq has been disclosed by scientists from the government’s Health Protection Agency. In a survey of 30 NHS trusts that had received troops, they discovered a soldier at Selly Oak, which houses the Royal Centre for Defence Medicine, had been infected with a strain of the bacterium known as “T”. Another British soldier infected with the superbug was admitted to the hospital in November 2004. Dr Mark Enright, a reader in epidemiology at London’s Imperial College, said the superbug can spread rapidly in intensive care wards. It can also survive on dry surfaces for up to 20 days. “The problem is that acinetobacter can spread like wildfire between patients. If you’ve got someone who has been evacuated from Iraq with multiple burns and acinetobacter, it would spread to patients in the same unit from the hands of nursing staff and doctors.” The Ministry of Defence said it was negotiating with Selly Oak to create a military-only ward, and added that it had introduced “stringent isolation and infection control measures” that had helped limit infections among military personnel to two soldiers, both of whom survived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 There's nothing strict about the medical society procedures except making sure they keep us as long term patients! ---- Ed Siceloff 10/09/06 16:47:47 Re: Re: Troops spread superbug. Down in the last paragraphs it mentions acenetobacter spreading from one patient to the other merely through the use of the doctors' and nurses' hands. Can anybody explain to me how this could be if doctors and nurses are following strict sanitary procedures, perhaps wearing gloves and changing gloves between patients, especially when knowing about the possibility of acenetobacter contamination. ed - NEWS FROM THE TIPI Undisclosed-Recipient:; Monday, October 09, 2006 11:59 AM Re: Troops spread superbug. - NEWS FROM THE TIPI Monday, October 09, 2006 8:58 AM Troops spread superbug. www.timesonline.co.uk/ Troops 'spread superbug'Steven Swinford WOUNDED troops returning from Iraq have been linked by government scientists to outbreaks of a deadly superbug in National Health Service hospitals. Injured soldiers flown back to be treated on the NHS have been infected with a rare strain of Acinetobacter baumannii, a superbug resistant to antibiotics. At one hospital in Birmingham in 2003 the bacteria went on to infect 93 people, 91 of whom were civilians. Thirty-five died, although the hospital has not been able to establish whether the superbug was a contributory factor. The revelation comes amid growing concerns about the treatment of wounded troops on NHS wards alongside civilian patients. It follows reports that a paratrooper, wounded in Afghanistan and treated at the hospital — Selly Oak in Birmingham — was allegedly threatened by a Muslim visitor. Acinetobacter baumannii commonly inhabits soil and water and is associated with warmer climates such as the Middle East. It is resistant to most common antibiotics and, if left untreated, can lead to pneumonia, fever and septicemia. The bacterium has become a concern in the US army, where it has been identified in more than 240 military personnel since 2003, killing five. The first case in a British soldier returning from Iraq has been disclosed by scientists from the government’s Health Protection Agency. In a survey of 30 NHS trusts that had received troops, they discovered a soldier at Selly Oak, which houses the Royal Centre for Defence Medicine, had been infected with a strain of the bacterium known as “T”. Another British soldier infected with the superbug was admitted to the hospital in November 2004. Dr Mark Enright, a reader in epidemiology at London’s Imperial College, said the superbug can spread rapidly in intensive care wards. It can also survive on dry surfaces for up to 20 days. “The problem is that acinetobacter can spread like wildfire between patients. If you’ve got someone who has been evacuated from Iraq with multiple burns and acinetobacter, it would spread to patients in the same unit from the hands of nursing staff and doctors.” The Ministry of Defence said it was negotiating with Selly Oak to create a military-only ward, and added that it had introduced “stringent isolation and infection control measures” that had helped limit infections among military personnel to two soldiers, both of whom survived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 You mean those on this group and others who also believe in alternative healing, as well as the rest of the ordinary medical profession, do not practice,sanitary procedures? When its been necessary and I've been around this pharma/cutemup/radiate-em people they have always treated me sanitarily. For their own sakes at any rate, if not quite mine, gloves, etc. I won't stereotype the entire industry. I've always found out that I am in the wrong when I start stereotyping people ever. ed - HAH Monday, October 09, 2006 8:08 PM Re: Re: Troops spread superbug. There's nothing strict about the medical society procedures except making sure they keep us as long term patients! ---- Ed Siceloff 10/09/06 16:47:47 Re: Re: Troops spread superbug. Down in the last paragraphs it mentions acenetobacter spreading from one patient to the other merely through the use of the doctors' and nurses' hands. Can anybody explain to me how this could be if doctors and nurses are following strict sanitary procedures, perhaps wearing gloves and changing gloves between patients, especially when knowing about the possibility of acenetobacter contamination. ed - NEWS FROM THE TIPI Undisclosed-Recipient:; Monday, October 09, 2006 11:59 AM Re: Troops spread superbug. - NEWS FROM THE TIPI Monday, October 09, 2006 8:58 AM Troops spread superbug. www.timesonline.co.uk/ Troops 'spread superbug'Steven Swinford WOUNDED troops returning from Iraq have been linked by government scientists to outbreaks of a deadly superbug in National Health Service hospitals. Injured soldiers flown back to be treated on the NHS have been infected with a rare strain of Acinetobacter baumannii, a superbug resistant to antibiotics. At one hospital in Birmingham in 2003 the bacteria went on to infect 93 people, 91 of whom were civilians. Thirty-five died, although the hospital has not been able to establish whether the superbug was a contributory factor. The revelation comes amid growing concerns about the treatment of wounded troops on NHS wards alongside civilian patients. It follows reports that a paratrooper, wounded in Afghanistan and treated at the hospital — Selly Oak in Birmingham — was allegedly threatened by a Muslim visitor. Acinetobacter baumannii commonly inhabits soil and water and is associated with warmer climates such as the Middle East. It is resistant to most common antibiotics and, if left untreated, can lead to pneumonia, fever and septicemia. The bacterium has become a concern in the US army, where it has been identified in more than 240 military personnel since 2003, killing five. The first case in a British soldier returning from Iraq has been disclosed by scientists from the government’s Health Protection Agency. In a survey of 30 NHS trusts that had received troops, they discovered a soldier at Selly Oak, which houses the Royal Centre for Defence Medicine, had been infected with a strain of the bacterium known as “T”. Another British soldier infected with the superbug was admitted to the hospital in November 2004. Dr Mark Enright, a reader in epidemiology at London’s Imperial College, said the superbug can spread rapidly in intensive care wards. It can also survive on dry surfaces for up to 20 days. “The problem is that acinetobacter can spread like wildfire between patients. If you’ve got someone who has been evacuated from Iraq with multiple burns and acinetobacter, it would spread to patients in the same unit from the hands of nursing staff and doctors.” The Ministry of Defence said it was negotiating with Selly Oak to create a military-only ward, and added that it had introduced “stringent isolation and infection control measures” that had helped limit infections among military personnel to two soldiers, both of whom survived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 So first you ask the question, how could this be when you apparently had the answer to your own question?? So, to you, there is NO WAY this could happen, that a germ could spread from nurse to patient bc they are so strict in sanitary practices?? I'm here to say they are not strict, for that's why so many patients die everyday from staph (staff) infections! Stop Hospital Infections http://www.consumersunion.org/campaigns/stophospitalinfections/newsroom.html Hempress ---- Ed Siceloff 10/09/06 19:53:55 Re: Re: Troops spread superbug. You mean those on this group and others who also believe in alternative healing, as well as the rest of the ordinary medical profession, do not practice,sanitary procedures? When its been necessary and I've been around this pharma/cutemup/radiate-em people they have always treated me sanitarily. For their own sakes at any rate, if not quite mine, gloves, etc. I won't stereotype the entire industry. I've always found out that I am in the wrong when I start stereotyping people ever. ed - HAH Monday, October 09, 2006 8:08 PM Re: Re: Troops spread superbug. There's nothing strict about the medical society procedures except making sure they keep us as long term patients! ---- Ed Siceloff 10/09/06 16:47:47 Re: Re: Troops spread superbug. Down in the last paragraphs it mentions acenetobacter spreading from one patient to the other merely through the use of the doctors' and nurses' hands. Can anybody explain to me how this could be if doctors and nurses are following strict sanitary procedures, perhaps wearing gloves and changing gloves between patients, especially when knowing about the possibility of acenetobacter contamination. ed - NEWS FROM THE TIPI Undisclosed-Recipient:; Monday, October 09, 2006 11:59 AM Re: Troops spread superbug. - NEWS FROM THE TIPI Monday, October 09, 2006 8:58 AM Troops spread superbug. www.timesonline.co.uk/ Troops 'spread superbug'Steven Swinford WOUNDED troops returning from Iraq have been linked by government scientists to outbreaks of a deadly superbug in National Health Service hospitals. Injured soldiers flown back to be treated on the NHS have been infected with a rare strain of Acinetobacter baumannii, a superbug resistant to antibiotics. At one hospital in Birmingham in 2003 the bacteria went on to infect 93 people, 91 of whom were civilians. Thirty-five died, although the hospital has not been able to establish whether the superbug was a contributory factor. The revelation comes amid growing concerns about the treatment of wounded troops on NHS wards alongside civilian patients. It follows reports that a paratrooper, wounded in Afghanistan and treated at the hospital — Selly Oak in Birmingham — was allegedly threatened by a Muslim visitor. Acinetobacter baumannii commonly inhabits soil and water and is associated with warmer climates such as the Middle East. It is resistant to most common antibiotics and, if left untreated, can lead to pneumonia, fever and septicemia. The bacterium has become a concern in the US army, where it has been identified in more than 240 military personnel since 2003, killing five. The first case in a British soldier returning from Iraq has been disclosed by scientists from the government’s Health Protection Agency. In a survey of 30 NHS trusts that had received troops, they discovered a soldier at Selly Oak, which houses the Royal Centre for Defence Medicine, had been infected with a strain of the bacterium known as “T”. Another British soldier infected with the superbug was admitted to the hospital in November 2004. Dr Mark Enright, a reader in epidemiology at London’s Imperial College, said the superbug can spread rapidly in intensive care wards. It can also survive on dry surfaces for up to 20 days. “The problem is that acinetobacter can spread like wildfire between patients. If you’ve got someone who has been evacuated from Iraq with multiple burns and acinetobacter, it would spread to patients in the same unit from the hands of nursing staff and doctors.” The Ministry of Defence said it was negotiating with Selly Oak to create a military-only ward, and added that it had introduced “stringent isolation and infection control measures” that had helped limit infections among military personnel to two soldiers, both of whom survived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 How the hang did this start? I asked a question as to how this could happen if they followed strict sanitation procedure. You said the only thing they followed strictly was keeping us in a position to make money. Good grief, in America today the people who follow nothing strictly, and most everything with laxity, far outnumber people who practice anything strictly. I merely objected to your stereotyping of the entire medical profession as bent on making money from us. Of course that is true as an industry. But there are lots of good people in there as well, and there are a good many people who follow strict sanitation procedure as well. I've seen that with my own eyes and been treated that way myself. Hey, another way to look at it is that if you die of a staph infection, they quit making money from you. Would they really want you to die? Does "managed health care" ring a bell for anyone. But again, although the concept of managed health care, both of the body and psychological, means never healing, just keep the patient going. Keep the patient/doctor relationship there. That overarches everything in the medical industry. But, nonetheless, there are still people in the industry who believe and do differently. - HAH Wednesday, October 11, 2006 3:27 PM Re: Re: Troops spread superbug. So first you ask the question, how could this be when you apparently had the answer to your own question?? So, to you, there is NO WAY this could happen, that a germ could spread from nurse to patient bc they are so strict in sanitary practices?? I'm here to say they are not strict, for that's why so many patients die everyday from staph (staff) infections! Stop Hospital Infections http://www.consumersunion.org/campaigns/stophospitalinfections/newsroom.html Hempress ---- Ed Siceloff 10/09/06 19:53:55 Re: Re: Troops spread superbug. You mean those on this group and others who also believe in alternative healing, as well as the rest of the ordinary medical profession, do not practice,sanitary procedures? When its been necessary and I've been around this pharma/cutemup/radiate-em people they have always treated me sanitarily. For their own sakes at any rate, if not quite mine, gloves, etc. I won't stereotype the entire industry. I've always found out that I am in the wrong when I start stereotyping people ever. ed - HAH Monday, October 09, 2006 8:08 PM Re: Re: Troops spread superbug. There's nothing strict about the medical society procedures except making sure they keep us as long term patients! ---- Ed Siceloff 10/09/06 16:47:47 Re: Re: Troops spread superbug. Down in the last paragraphs it mentions acenetobacter spreading from one patient to the other merely through the use of the doctors' and nurses' hands. Can anybody explain to me how this could be if doctors and nurses are following strict sanitary procedures, perhaps wearing gloves and changing gloves between patients, especially when knowing about the possibility of acenetobacter contamination. ed - NEWS FROM THE TIPI Undisclosed-Recipient:; Monday, October 09, 2006 11:59 AM Re: Troops spread superbug. - NEWS FROM THE TIPI Monday, October 09, 2006 8:58 AM Troops spread superbug. www.timesonline.co.uk/ Troops 'spread superbug'Steven Swinford WOUNDED troops returning from Iraq have been linked by government scientists to outbreaks of a deadly superbug in National Health Service hospitals. Injured soldiers flown back to be treated on the NHS have been infected with a rare strain of Acinetobacter baumannii, a superbug resistant to antibiotics. At one hospital in Birmingham in 2003 the bacteria went on to infect 93 people, 91 of whom were civilians. Thirty-five died, although the hospital has not been able to establish whether the superbug was a contributory factor. The revelation comes amid growing concerns about the treatment of wounded troops on NHS wards alongside civilian patients. It follows reports that a paratrooper, wounded in Afghanistan and treated at the hospital — Selly Oak in Birmingham — was allegedly threatened by a Muslim visitor. Acinetobacter baumannii commonly inhabits soil and water and is associated with warmer climates such as the Middle East. It is resistant to most common antibiotics and, if left untreated, can lead to pneumonia, fever and septicemia. The bacterium has become a concern in the US army, where it has been identified in more than 240 military personnel since 2003, killing five. The first case in a British soldier returning from Iraq has been disclosed by scientists from the government’s Health Protection Agency. In a survey of 30 NHS trusts that had received troops, they discovered a soldier at Selly Oak, which houses the Royal Centre for Defence Medicine, had been infected with a strain of the bacterium known as “T”. Another British soldier infected with the superbug was admitted to the hospital in November 2004. Dr Mark Enright, a reader in epidemiology at London’s Imperial College, said the superbug can spread rapidly in intensive care wards. It can also survive on dry surfaces for up to 20 days. “The problem is that acinetobacter can spread like wildfire between patients. If you’ve got someone who has been evacuated from Iraq with multiple burns and acinetobacter, it would spread to patients in the same unit from the hands of nursing staff and doctors.” The Ministry of Defence said it was negotiating with Selly Oak to create a military-only ward, and added that it had introduced “stringent isolation and infection control measures” that had helped limit infections among military personnel to two soldiers, both of whom survived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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