Herbal Remedies - An Enemy In Our Own Ranks

February 1, 2004

Lemmee see, I can remember Clayton, South West, and Bastyr off the top of my head. There's that 4th one and it slips the mind at the moment (pass the Gingko ;o)

These 4 are after a monopoly. They charge an outrageous amount for tuition, and are basically Medical Doctor wannabees trying to prove they are mainline. If only they are recognized, they could charge what they want, put the little schools out of business, and give the giant pharmaceuticals control over curriculum just as happened in the old Medical Schools. Of course they are being financed by the big pharmaceuticals who are being oh so altruistic LOL.

It's almost getting to the point where being recognized by the government is more of a liability, then a benefit. Almost.

I think the next 2 to 8 years will be dramatic times for not only Naturopaths, but for the entire world. We can no longer afford the currently prevailing, Machiavellian philosophy towards our fellow man. It's time that we as mankind grew up.

Love,

Doc

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

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DrCrandall

herbal remedies

Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:08 PM

RE: Herbal Remedies - An Enemy In Our Own Ranks

Doc, which 4 schools are certified?

I remember the scramble for certification by the chiropractic colleges. There are still periods of time that a school wasn’t certified whereby a student cannot obtain licensing in that state!!

It’s a catch 22, be recognized by the g’ment and deal with the beauracracy or not be recognized and have them chase you down.

What a mess!!

Anna

February 1, 2004

The four schools are: Southwest, Bridgeport, Bastyr and National.-- Remember that Southwest is the one who applied for and recieved the ability to grant certification to all Naturopathic Schools. Very self serving. I heard that there may be a class-action law suit from NDs against them for being exclusionary regarding licensure that only permit grads from those four schools. Katherine

Dr. Ian Shillington [Dr.IanShillington]Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:06 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - An Enemy In Our Own Ranks

Lemmee see, I can remember Clayton, South West, and Bastyr off the top of my head. There's that 4th one and it slips the mind at the moment (pass the Gingko ;o)

These 4 are after a monopoly. They charge an outrageous amount for tuition, and are basically Medical Doctor wannabees trying to prove they are mainline. If only they are recognized, they could charge what they want, put the little schools out of business, and give the giant pharmaceuticals control over curriculum just as happened in the old Medical Schools. Of course they are being financed by the big pharmaceuticals who are being oh so altruistic LOL.

It's almost getting to the point where being recognized by the government is more of a liability, then a benefit. Almost.

I think the next 2 to 8 years will be dramatic times for not only Naturopaths, but for the entire world. We can no longer afford the currently prevailing, Machiavellian philosophy towards our fellow man. It's time that we as mankind grew up.

Love,

Doc

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

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DrCrandall

herbal remedies

Sunday, February 01, 2004 2:08 PM

RE: Herbal Remedies - An Enemy In Our Own Ranks

Doc, which 4 schools are certified?

I remember the scramble for certification by the chiropractic colleges. There are still periods of time that a school wasn’t certified whereby a student cannot obtain licensing in that state!!

It’s a catch 22, be recognized by the g’ment and deal with the beauracracy or not be recognized and have them chase you down.

What a mess!!

Anna

February 1, 2004

It’s just always about money,

huh. I wonder sometimes if chiropractic had to be validated now, what it

would turn into. I know a lot of docs that have graduated in the past 15

years went into it because it’s a clean, low stress, good income

occupation. Promoted as such by HS counselors. Back in the old days

every chiro came to it through a personal experience. And this is what

created the PASSION that kept it from being bought out…….so far!!

I worked with one of the pioneers for a couple of years and the stories he told

about being arrested, going to court, having the cases thrown out before MA won

licensing in 1966. He was married and raising 4 children. Imagine

what that must have been like!!

Anna

*Your Health Is In Your Hands*

February 2, 2004

Thanks Katherine,

I knew you'd set me straight on that ;o) LOL

Love,

Doc

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

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Dr. Katherine Whited

Dr. Ian Shillington ; herbal remedies

Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:40 PM

RE: Herbal Remedies - An Enemy In Our Own Ranks

The four schools are: Southwest, Bridgeport, Bastyr and National.-- Remember that Southwest is the one who applied for and recieved the ability to grant certification to all Naturopathic Schools. Very self serving. I heard that there may be a class-action law suit from NDs against them for being exclusionary regarding licensure that only permit grads from those four schools. Katherine

February 2, 2004

Wellllll Jen, I'm prejudiced against the "Big Four" since they have been infiltrated by the Pharmaceuticals and are being exclusive, and trying to "do in" the other little schools. In reality, the AMA, etc. are trying to destroy "Naturopathy" by making the naturopathic profession another batch of "MD Wannabees" and something they can control. They've been doing this to Chiropractors for years. Last I heard, Chiros were going to have to study about "drugs" of all things. Ask Anna if she's excited about this LOL, and you just might get an ear full ;o)

My almer mater is Trinity College, and the entire 3 to 5 year (depending how fast you are) program was done via correspondence.

Some people tend to laugh at this or slander it as being a diploma mill. This is far from the truth and I challenge such people to try it, (cause I worked my buns off for my degree ;o). Of course these types don't and this shows their quality. Their true colors = The hyper critical ones ;o)

I would recommend Trinity. Their program is excellent. But you might just get as much or more by doing Doc Christopher's courses (Master Herbalist) at his School of Natural Healing. His curriculum is awesome and you WILL LEARN a truly Naturopathic approach with his correspondences courses.

The Naturopath's heritage comes down from the Shaman, the Medicine Man, and even the Witch. And yet it also goes back to Ancient Egypt and directly to Hipocrates and Galen. You can trust me on this one, that ole Hipocrates was one helluva Naturopath. But the allopaths have perverted that one as well. It is typical of this doublethink, doublespeak age we now live in where war is peace, and lack of freedoms and invasive procedures from beaureaucrats are labelled if you can believe it, "The Patriot Act". The true patriots of 1776 are rolling over in their graves, you can betcha.

Don't get me going on that one or Suzi will be slapping me down for getting political LOL ;o)

Any way, I hope this helps.

Love,

Doc

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

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supervixen08

herbal remedies

Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:56 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - An Enemy In Our Own Ranks

lol @ the Ginko My fincee & I are considering naturopathic degrees (eventually). (I think the 4th school is around Toronto? It's somewhere in Ontario.) After some online perusing, Bastyr is our front runner (of course, all that could change if the push for more and better naturopathic schools heats up and more schools spring up). Doc, what's your (and other NDs chime in, too) take on the different schools? Is our current penciled-in idea a good one, or is there another school out there that has just as high a caliber, where no officials'll chase us down that isn't in bed with the megapharmcos?(It's about 5-10 yrs in the future yet, and closer to the latter. But we're beginning the great quest for info, doing all the research we can so that we're well-informed when it's time to make a decision already lol )Love to all,--Jen