Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Would it hurt to use alchol with the ACV in the total tonic? I was thinking in terms of really long term storage. Then I see your talking about tincturing lobelia with ACV. I wanted to do a tincture of lobelia, mullein, eucalyptus, and marshmellow leaf togeather. Should I use just ACV? Thanks, Kathe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Hi Peter: In a perfect world, you would be able to pick these from the trees and make your tincture for the year. Artemesia Absynthium hedges would line your walkway. As these trees do not populate the whole planet it is very possible that there is not the supply for the upcomming demand- presenting the next problem with this. To be honest I do not know how long the tincture is effective. A supplier of mine has 2010 as an expiry date but I do not hold onto large stocks of this- just enough for the patients that I have requiring it. It seems I have stirred up a hornet's nest in replying to the Dr. in England. This was not my intention at all. I hesitated in sharing this knowledge as to most it seems too easy to be true. How could something so simple be effective when billions of dollars are going in the other direction. Actually this is an old remedy- written in the bible 6 times. This I found out after knowing what it was and what it could do. Interesting to note it was given to Christ while on the cross- Wormwood and Gall- so- not my nobel prize. Someone in the know at that time told the Romans it was a type of poison, probably having the foresight to know that day would be written down for the ages. Who ever asked what that was about? As a TCM Dr. , did you ever consider the three gifts the Maji from the EAST gave to the Christ child? We all know that gold is a good thing for a young family- what /who/why was the frankincense and myrrh for? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 As a TCM Dr. , did you ever consider the three gifts the Maji from the EAST gave to the Christ child? We all know that gold is a good thing for a young family- what /who/why was the frankincense and myrrh for? Bill My recollection is that gold symbolized royalty (King of Kings); frankincense divinity; and myrrh foretold his death. Pat ============================================================================== NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not read, use or disseminate the information. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. ============================================================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Also, Pat and all, myrrh is used for cuts, canker sores, etc, to heal and relieve pain. Cheers,Pam Price ============== As a TCM Dr. , did you ever consider the three gifts the Maji from the EAST gave to the Christ child? We all know that gold is a good thing for a young family- what /who/why was the frankincense and myrrh for? Bill My recollection is that gold symbolized royalty (King of Kings); frankincense divinity; and myrrh foretold his death. Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Hi Bill! At my school we were told " DDDO - Different doctor different opinion. A number of things that were once considered cure-alls were subsequently considered poison and then later used for certain well-defined conditions. The Thalidomide issue comes to mind. One of the hallmarks of alternative medicine is open-mindedness - both ways. There is a folklore about the wise men's gifts, can't remember it right now, though. Something about gold because Jesus was a king, Frankincense because He was God and myrrh because He was destined to suffer. At 10:17 AM 3/4/2004, you wrote: >Hi Peter: In a perfect world, you would be able to pick these from the >trees and make your tincture for the year. Artemesia Absynthium hedges >would line your walkway. As these trees do not populate the whole planet >it is very possible that there is not the supply for the upcomming demand- >presenting the next problem with this. To be honest I do not know how long >the tincture is effective. A supplier of mine has 2010 as an expiry date >but I do not hold onto large stocks of this- just enough for the patients >that I have requiring it. It seems I have stirred up a hornet's nest in >replying to the Dr. in England. This was not my intention at all. I >hesitated in sharing this knowledge as to most it seems too easy to be >true. How could something so simple be effective when billions of dollars >are going in the other direction. Actually this is an old remedy- written >in the bible 6 times. This I found out after knowing what it was and what >it could do. Interesting to note it was given to Christ while on the >cross- Wormwood and Gall- so- not my nobel prize. Someone in the know at >that time told the Romans it was a type of poison, probably having the >foresight to know that day would be written down for the ages. Who ever >asked what that was about? As a TCM Dr. , did you ever consider the three >gifts the Maji from the EAST gave to the Christ child? We all know that >gold is a good thing for a young family- what /who/why was the >frankincense and myrrh for? >Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Hi Peter: I wasn't quizzing about the folklore- I just wanted to illustrate that few people have asked this question from a story that we have all heard. And, few people would know the properties of these herbs to think what their use, other than the folklore would be. As these Magi were the most learned people from the East ( china) they had to be practioners of also. These herbs are used in for post partum haemorrhage and pain - and - must have been for Mary!- as, following the star , they were expecting a birth. Cool thought - maybe right- no way of telling. The other story about the wormwood and gall, given to Christ on the cross must now make you wonder at the reason for this being given and why. It is not what it was said/ written to be - so what was the point in it being given? I would imagine few people of the day would have knowledge of the properties of the herbs- as few could write. I would also imagine that the importance of the day was not lost on anyone smart- especially if it happened the way it was written down. Could this person that gave the herbs have known it's usage and importance and, knowing the day would be written down for all time... deliberately fooled the Romans into allowing the " poison " to be given? - Knowing- sometime- somewhere- someone would find it's proper usage and realize it, not actually being poison- would question why. Smart Man! Bill - Pete Theisen Chinese Medicine Friday, March 05, 2004 12:08 AM Re: Re: tincture Hi Bill! At my school we were told " DDDO - Different doctor different opinion. A number of things that were once considered cure-alls were subsequently considered poison and then later used for certain well-defined conditions. The Thalidomide issue comes to mind. One of the hallmarks of alternative medicine is open-mindedness - both ways. There is a folklore about the wise men's gifts, can't remember it right now, though. Something about gold because Jesus was a king, Frankincense because He was God and myrrh because He was destined to suffer. At 10:17 AM 3/4/2004, you wrote: >Hi Peter: In a perfect world, you would be able to pick these from the >trees and make your tincture for the year. Artemesia Absynthium hedges >would line your walkway. As these trees do not populate the whole planet >it is very possible that there is not the supply for the upcomming demand- >presenting the next problem with this. To be honest I do not know how long >the tincture is effective. A supplier of mine has 2010 as an expiry date >but I do not hold onto large stocks of this- just enough for the patients >that I have requiring it. It seems I have stirred up a hornet's nest in >replying to the Dr. in England. This was not my intention at all. I >hesitated in sharing this knowledge as to most it seems too easy to be >true. How could something so simple be effective when billions of dollars >are going in the other direction. Actually this is an old remedy- written >in the bible 6 times. This I found out after knowing what it was and what >it could do. Interesting to note it was given to Christ while on the >cross- Wormwood and Gall- so- not my nobel prize. Someone in the know at >that time told the Romans it was a type of poison, probably having the >foresight to know that day would be written down for the ages. Who ever >asked what that was about? As a TCM Dr. , did you ever consider the three >gifts the Maji from the EAST gave to the Christ child? We all know that >gold is a good thing for a young family- what /who/why was the >frankincense and myrrh for? >Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 As these Magi were the most learned people from the East ( china) they had to be practioners of also. - Bill Actually, I believe most scholarship nowadays puts them as coming from Persia (Iran), where astrology was a highly evolved art. They may have had exposure to more Eastern influences from the trade routes, of course. Pat ============================================================================== NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not read, use or disseminate the information. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. ============================================================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Good for you Pam!!! The herbs were for Mary! Bill - Pam Price Chinese Medicine Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:30 PM Re: Re: tincture Also, Pat and all, myrrh is used for cuts, canker sores, etc, to heal and relieve pain. Cheers,Pam Price ============== As a TCM Dr. , did you ever consider the three gifts the Maji from the EAST gave to the Christ child? We all know that gold is a good thing for a young family- what /who/why was the frankincense and myrrh for? Bill My recollection is that gold symbolized royalty (King of Kings); frankincense divinity; and myrrh foretold his death. Pat Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. To change your email settings, i.e. individually, daily digest or none, visit the groups' homepage: Chinese Medicine/ click 'edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. To send an email to <Chinese Medicine- > from the email account you joined with. You will be removed automatically but will still recieve messages for a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Ddo I need to add more liquid and move it to a bigger jar??? Or just addd more liquid?? I would say add more liquid. My rule of thumb is, once it's settled, three-quarters of the jar is herbs, and one quarter is liquid, usually floating on the top. Most of the time I have to keep adding more liquid to eventually get these proportions. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 I started my kelp tincture (for my thyroid) I Poured in about a 1/4 jar full of chopped sifted kelp and the rest organic apple cider vinegar and stired very good - but today its all thick like oatmeal. Ddo I need to add more liquid and move it to a bigger jar??? Or just addd more liquid?? All I had at this time was a small mayo jar untill I can purchase some amber jars. Deana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Wait for a couple days for it all to soak up and settle. As long as you have 2/3 or more plant matter in the jar then you are fin hon. If you are following a more specific formula then simply see it through and you'll be just fine. Sincerely, Zeb herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Deana Brown Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:56 AM herbal remedies Re: Herbal Remedies - tincture I started my kelp tincture (for my thyroid) I Poured in about a 1/4 jar full of chopped sifted kelp and the rest organic apple cider vinegar and stired very good - but today its all thick like oatmeal. Ddo I need to add more liquid and move it to a bigger jar??? Or just addd more liquid?? All I had at this time was a small mayo jar untill I can purchase some amber jars. Deana Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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