Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Yes it does. Doesn't it? But I too am not closing my mind to the possibilities. This is an awful lot of hulabeleu over one cow. Any bets as to whether or not the cow was raised commercially??? ;o) Remember that when we're talking about Proteins, we're talking about Amino-Acids, with the emphasis on "acid". Does this mean that the solution for handling mad cow disease is Panther Piss, and / or going vegetarian and eating alkaline ash producing foods only??? And the holes in the brain??? This sounds almost like science fiction, kinda like the "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" LOL. And you know they've never really, truly been able to determine whether a neuron is cellular or viral. Just one of those mysteries, and if it is viral, does this mean a "cure" lies in the field of handling viri??? Of course we're talking Garlic and DMSO now. Aren't we??? In your second post, you mentioned a vaccination, and I'll be keeping my eye out for this one, you can betcha!!!! You know that the pharmaceuticals are racing away with their research on this one (that is if they didn't have it first and then "accidentally" discovered the MCD case, as in the story line in Mission Impossible #2). I wouldn't put anything past these nuts. Nothing! Of course, what I am in mortal fear of, is when it mutates and we are then attacked by a strain of MBD = Mad Bunny Disease ROTFLMAO. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Don Quai Doc Sunday, January 04, 2004 12:27 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Mad as Hell - by Dennis H. Clarke Hey Doc, This whole prion thing sounds a little too unreal. Although I am keeping an open mind on this. If it truly exists what do you think about ozone and peroxide therapy for combating it? I'm not really up on my microbiology and am not so certain about backwards folded proteins that are crystalline in structure eating holes in peoples brains. Personally,, I am having some doubts here. But if they are crystalline in structure would that make them anaerobic, aerobic or both? And what is the gov really up to that they need to keep everyone stirred up over a hamburger or two? Hmmmm?? Just wonderin kinda out loud. Love, Don - Dr. Ian Shillington herbal remedies Sunday, January 04, 2004 6:42 PM [herbal remedies] Mad as Hell - by Dennis H. Clarke ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Doc is there a natural method of treating mad cow in people? Janet - Dr. Ian Shillington herbal remedies Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:42 AM [herbal remedies] Mad as Hell - by Dennis H. Clarke Just when you thought it was safe to eat chicken… Part One By Dennis H. Clarke NOTE: The infectious agent in Mad cow disease and all of its various forms, including those so far found in birds, rodents, cats, deer, elk, sheep, swine, cattle, humans and other species is a mutated form of protein called a prion. It can't be "killed" or rendered harmless by cooking, freezing, radiation or any other known means It infects species and is then further infectious by blood and blood byproducts. Gestation periods vary but from the onset of symptoms to death is always within a year. It is an apparent neurological disease which destroys the brain, leaving the brains of animals shot throughout with perforations causing the brains of its victim to resemble a sponge. There is no known cure. As most of us are probably now aware, U.S. and Canadian beef is currently under embargo by most of our largest trading partners due to a Mad Cow having recently been discovered in Washington State and the discovery that it is connected (again) to cow herds in Alberta Canada. In a comment made to the Western Governors Conference in Montana this last September and as reported on the Canadian Broadcasting Company (CBC) site and other Canadian news sources, Alberta Premier Ralph Klein made the suggestion that such problems could have been avoided if the rancher who owned the cow discovered in Canada had known what to do. Obviously, this particular rancher "knew nothing about cattle ranching," per Klein who added, "I guess any self-respecting rancher would have shot, shoveled and shut up," rather than ship the sickly animal for slaughter. Subsequent to that interview, several beef farmers in the area were interviewed and a substantial proportion of them went along with the, “shoot, shovel and shut up” suggestion. “If you know your business, you don’t send your problems to town” one said. Talk about “mad!” But what, you may ask, has this got to do with chicken? Well, you don’t want to know so I’ll save that for a bit later in this article to give you time to adjust to the concepts. We are now being told that “all” American beef is safe by no less than the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) of the U.S. Government, an agency that sees nothing wrong with the fact that one out of every five Americans who wakes up dead each year has been killed by a medical treatment (not counting abortions. Stats and references on demand). It’s the FDA that is responsible for “testing” and other measures to assure the safety of our food. Last year alone, they claim to have tested 20,000 cows to see if they were ”mad.” This tiny number is about the equivalent of going up to a cow, pulling out a wild hair (from the cow), rolling it between middle finger and thumb and declaring the animal “safe for human consumption.” None of the 20,000 were found to be mad but some of them may have been a little upset. You see, there were around 35 million cows sent to market and slaughtered last year in the U.S. alone. Do the math. This declaration of “safe for human consumption/free of “mad cow,” after “testing” 20,000 cows or .000571% of the American herd is just nuts (madness if you will). No worries!!! “But,” the FDA tells us, “We checked the paperwork of most of the cattle feed suppliers and found them to be in order!” What do they mean by that? The FDA, without really inspecting (by "really" I mean actually “looking” for themselves and not just “listening” to what was said by suppliers to be going into animal feed), accepted the “word” or “paperwork” of all of the feed suppliers in the country (and wherever else we are getting such “feed”) that they didn’t allow any cow brains or spinal tissue to be put back into the cattle via their cattle feed. No one seems to be willing to confront the fact that we are only now beginning to catch up to some dim awareness of what has already been learned the hard way in Europe: The food supply will never be safe as long as animal parts are being fed to animals in this already highly infected environment. In England, one critic of the governments handling of the very same problem, exposed via a simple telephone survey that each week, based upon the total tonnage of cow parts being collected which were suspected of being infected with mad cow, 400 tones of suspect cow brains, spinal cords, head parts and other materials were slipping through the government created sieve and ending up in cattle feed "each week"! That would translate into approximately 5,000 tons per week in the U.S., leaking back into cow and other livestock feed if our regulations were that good. Our regulations are not that good. Associated Press reported this week that “Federal officials insist U.S. meat is safe because the brain, spinal cord and lower intestine — parts that they claim carry infection,” the same mistake of underestimation made in Europe, “were removed from the diseased cow before its meat was processed for human consumption.” In case you may be wondering what effect cooking meat may have on the spread of mad cow to humans, forget it. Cooking of the meat, rare or well done, has no effect on the transmission of the disease to humans. (By the way, once infected, we know that the disease is suspected of being able to be transmitted from one human to another via blood transfusions and donor organs.) We know that other parts of cows which are now known to be infected, from bone meal to cow lips to eyeballs can and do, all end up in feed for U.S. cattle (if not our hot dogs) and that bone marrow may be as infectious as various other organs from the spleen to dorsal root ganglia and as well, byproducts such as tallow and gelatin. How infected is the environment? Consider this: There were 81 cows from the same herd as the cow now in the news (parts of which may have gone to 8 states). Some of those cows may have given birth and some may have been shot shoveled and are not being spoken of today. Seem like a manageable number? Yes, this is manageable, 81 cows and their offspring identified and not, plus the meat of one known-to-be-infected cow spread over 40 or so businesses in eight States and Guam. Unfortunately, that’s “good news” the FDA wants us to concentrate our attention on for a moment and then go back to worrying about "terrorism." What they don’t want our attention on is the fact that the disease has been jumping species and that there are now know cases of infected cows, cats, birds, pigs, sheep and goats, mice, rabbits and some other rodents, as well as certain antelope, deer and elk and of course most important to your next meal, humans currently being infected. Perhaps the most pronounced and best known of these jumps outside of the cattle market is found in a wildfire amongst U.S. wild deer and elk. Tens-of-thousands of deer and elk have been discovered to be dieing of the same disease all around us. One of the ways our FDA has kept a lid on this has been by renaming the disease “chronic wasting disease.” It produces the same sponge-like destroyed brains. So, while it was a nice try and has diverted attention, changing the name of the disease hasn’t changed the disease or the outcome but has only served to magnify the threat. Quietly, the U.S. Department of Agriculture has set up what they call “free kill zones” in several states wherein hunters are being told to kill all deer and elk (and in some cases any other game), regardless of age or sex and to deliver the carcasses to be burned by the Ag folks at collection stations. The bottom line on this cross-species infection is that the disease, which is given a different name in each new host it infects, turns the brains of that species to a naked “Sponge Bob.” The good news is that there is “little or no evidence” of cross infection among the animals being fed the body parts of cattle and other animals and not much at this point about an epidemic among humans. But what the FDA doesn’t want us to look at (among lots of other things the FDA doesn’t want us to look at) is why this crisis is being called, “The Chernobyl of food disasters.” This has to do with the incubation period (the period from infection to onset of the obvious symptoms of disease) for this brain-wasting killer differs from one species to the next. In cattle, it is generally believed to take five to seven years before the animal appears sick and it progresses rapidly to death within a year. As with the radiation poisonings of perhaps millions of people across the old USSR and Europe, the real effects of the nuclear disaster at Chernobyl won’t be seen for years to come. The best guesstimate as to the time “Mad Cow” will take to reveal itself is about 30 years from infection in humans. All of this brings us back to chickens. Almost all of our livestock at this point, due to the insane policies of the killers at the FDA, should be suspected of having been infected via contaminated feed. Among such contaminated livestock are chickens which have not only been fed contaminated cow parts but are being slaughtered before any chance of the onset of the most apparent and final symptoms of "mad chicken disease." Further, chicken litter (chicken fecal matter) is being added back into cattle and other feeds to be recirculated, presumably to widen the infection of the various species involved. But now with some of us watching, the only real good news for the criminals at the FDA is that no one has yet figured out how to tell “mad chickens” from normal ones. It's a bit like the FDA allowing drug companies to test the safety of antidepressants on rats. It's rather difficult for most researchers to tell a sane from a depressed from a suicidal rat or from a rat who if he could, would take up an AK-47 assault rifle and shoot every rat he or she knows. Thus the rule should be that if any medical doctor negligently and irresponsibly prescribes such an inherently dangerous substance as an antidepressant that the doctor should be held responsible for the outcome and any FDA official who failed to enforce such a rule should be held culpable as well. When it comes to "mad cows, deer, elk, chickens, ducks, ostriches hogs, sheep" and other species now infected (not to mention Fido and your cat), the FDA policy is simple: encourage farmers and others to shoot, shovel and shut the (bleep) up! Dennis H. Clarke Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillingtonFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. 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Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Don't know at this time hon. But, if it ever becomes a problem (no real problem at this time, though I wouldn't eat any meat that wasn't 100% organic), you can bet I'll research my little buns off to get an answer to that as fast as I can. As it is, I do not eat a lot of meat, as a little of it goes a long ways. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Janet Seidlitz herbal remedies Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:29 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Mad as Hell - by Dennis H. Clarke Doc is there a natural method of treating mad cow in people? Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Well, we can always dream, can't we? herbal remedies , " Dr. Ian Shillington " <Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote: > And, you're asking for a sane solution from the FDA??? > Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 In this day and age, it's too close to a delusion. ;o) Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - supervixen08 herbal remedies Sunday, January 04, 2004 6:49 PM [herbal remedies] Re: Mad as Hell - by Dennis H. Clarke Well, we can always dream, can't we? ;)herbal remedies , "Dr. Ian Shillington" <Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote:> And, you're asking for a sane solution from the FDA???> Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 That's that whole Fat Tax thing that they're trying to push thru. They wanna tax certain foods that they think contribute to obesity or something...that was like a year or 2 ago that I heard that, tho. Don't mean to be OT or anything... Avec humour (sorry, I had to copy that phrase, it's appropriate ) --Jen herbal remedies , " Dr. Ian Shillington " <Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote: > Next they'll be telling us how to eat it. > ) > Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 So is it Mad Cow itself that they're fixin to try and vaccinate against? If not, what other " disease " are they going to vote into existence to run a vaccination campaign for? (And if I've misunderstood completely, plz forgive me...that loopy brain fog from yesterday is still hangin' around.) lol herbal remedies , " Dr. Ian Shillington " <Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote: > > In your second post, you mentioned a vaccination, and I'll be keeping my eye out for this one, you can betcha!!!! You know that the pharmaceuticals are racing away with their research on this one (that is if they didn't have it first and then " accidentally " discovered the MCD case, as in the story line in Mission Impossible #2). I wouldn't put anything past these nuts. Nothing! > Of course, what I am in mortal fear of, is when it mutates and we are then attacked by a strain of MBD = Mad Bunny Disease ROTFLMAO. > Love, > Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Yeah, true...and then the Medico/Psycho ppl would rule us delusional and shove Paxil in our faces or whatever the hell else they're pushing this week. herbal remedies , " Dr. Ian Shillington " <Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote: > In this day and age, it's too close to a delusion. ;o) > > Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. > 505-772-5889 > Dr.IanShillington@G... > - > supervixen08 > herbal remedies > Sunday, January 04, 2004 6:49 PM > [herbal remedies] Re: Mad as Hell - by Dennis H. Clarke > > > Well, we can always dream, can't we? > > herbal remedies , " Dr. Ian Shillington " > <Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote: > > And, you're asking for a sane solution from the FDA??? > > Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Actually, the more I think about it the more I am inclined to believe that our government has a new toy that they are playing around with. Just have a hard time with the fact that a renegade protein can wreak havoc in our bodies and our immune system can't even detect it. Could be because those who have supposedly contracted this nvCJD or MCD or MBD or MSD or whatever didn't have an immune system to lead the fight with. Yet the holes in the brain almost sounds like a directed particle beam of sorts. Don Quai who hasn't read any sci-fi in years. - Dr. Ian Shillington herbal remedies Monday, January 05, 2004 12:48 AM [herbal remedies] Mad as Hell - by Dennis H. Clarke Yes it does. Doesn't it? But I too am not closing my mind to the possibilities. This is an awful lot of hulabeleu over one cow. Any bets as to whether or not the cow was raised commercially??? ;o) Remember that when we're talking about Proteins, we're talking about Amino-Acids, with the emphasis on "acid". Does this mean that the solution for handling mad cow disease is Panther Piss, and / or going vegetarian and eating alkaline ash producing foods only??? And the holes in the brain??? This sounds almost like science fiction, kinda like the "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" LOL. And you know they've never really, truly been able to determine whether a neuron is cellular or viral. Just one of those mysteries, and if it is viral, does this mean a "cure" lies in the field of handling viri??? Of course we're talking Garlic and DMSO now. Aren't we??? In your second post, you mentioned a vaccination, and I'll be keeping my eye out for this one, you can betcha!!!! You know that the pharmaceuticals are racing away with their research on this one (that is if they didn't have it first and then "accidentally" discovered the MCD case, as in the story line in Mission Impossible #2). I wouldn't put anything past these nuts. Nothing! Of course, what I am in mortal fear of, is when it mutates and we are then attacked by a strain of MBD = Mad Bunny Disease ROTFLMAO. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 You are WAY off base here. It's caused by the combination of aluminum oxide in our toothpaste, which eventually is eliminated by our bodies. Figure in the genetically modified soy/soy protein usage gone rampant and you have toxic waste beyond belief. The real answer is that the byproducts of our bodies eliminating these is contaminating the world's water supply at a very high rate. The proteins are merely the water atoms reacting to the toxic shock they are experiencing. REMEMBER OSMOSIS!!! I recommend another stuffed pinkey droo... heheeeee! On 5 Jan 2004 at 8:01, Don Quai wrote: > Actually, the more I think about it the more I am inclined to believe > that our government has a new toy that they are playing around with. > Just have a hard time with the fact that a renegade protein can wreak > havoc in our bodies and our immune system can't even detect it. Could > be because those who have supposedly contracted this nvCJD or MCD or > MBD or MSD or whatever didn't have an immune system to lead the fight > with. Yet the holes in the brain almost sounds like a directed > particle beam of sorts. > > Don Quai who hasn't read any sci-fi in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Ah so, Aluminum microfibers spewed out the exhaust of every jet in America. I mean we all know that Ralston Purina is not putting mad cows brains into the Bear Chow, Deer Fodder, Squirrel Feed etc. now don't we. And we all know that cows aren't trampling through all the forests contaminating every critter around. Soooooooo....... Seems to be trend here or is it an aluminum thread leading????? Don Quai - Skip Taylor herbal remedies Monday, January 05, 2004 10:19 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Mad as Hell - by Dennis H. Clarke You are WAY off base here. It's caused by the combination of aluminum oxide in our toothpaste, which eventually is eliminated by our bodies. Figure in the genetically modified soy/soy protein usage gone rampant and you have toxic waste beyond belief. The real answer is that the byproducts of our bodies eliminating these is contaminating the world's water supply at a very high rate. The proteins are merely the water atoms reacting to the toxic shock they are experiencing. REMEMBER OSMOSIS!!! ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 We are now being told that “all” American beef is safe by no less than the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) of the U.S. Government, an agency that sees nothing wrong with the fact that one out of every five Americans who wakes up dead each year has been killed by a medical treatment (not counting abortions. Wow, I haven't seen anyone wake up dead. I used to work in a slaughter house back in the 70s after I got out of high school (hated it too). One of my jobs was to half them. You are on a hydraulic platform and have a electric saw which is a giant hacksaw. You saw them straight down the backbone right in the center. And we all know what is in the center. So that blade is throwing the spinal cord all over the halfs. They are only sprayed down with a water hose and sent into the cooler. At the end of the day, all the bones including the skulls went into at holding take that also has the intestines, stomach, and lungs. It was cooked with steam and sent out for feed somewhere. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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