Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Pseudoephedrene was overly abused in Australia years ago and so therefore Ephedra and Ma Huang was no longer able to be purchased because of this. We still sell Sudafed here but only in packs of 30's (used to have choice of 30's, 60's and 90's) and has to be passed by the pharmacist before you can sell it over the counter (it is under schedule 3 here or pharmacists only medicine) and has to be out of patient view. There are still many products with pseudoephedrine in it and care with patients with high blood pressure or other medical conditions have to be taken into account before we can sell it over the counter. I think it was also banned in the UK before it did in Australia as I remember in 1992 I worked in Pharmacy and there was a big hoo haa about it and the banning here must have happened between 1998 and 2002 when I had a break from working in pharmacy. I don't know of any substitutes but I know that some chinese formulas still contain Ma Huang but I think has to be purchased from overseas and cannot be obtainable here. For sinus problems there are definately a lot of other products in herbal form that could do just as good or a better job. I know there was a craze with weight loss to help speed up the metabolism (quote me wrong) but then again proper management of food and exercise and the overall look of the patients picture could find what the fault could be and treat it so that once corrected the patient will lose weight...all my weight loss patients are treated differently as each person has a different problem. My Aus 2 cents worth. Wendy (Australia) MessageI doubt they will ban Sudafed though. That one has a " patent " . -Shelby http://personals..au - Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 No problemo then Brigitte. Enjoy your salads and dressings. Don Quai PS-- Checked for parasites at any time? - Bridge herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 10:27 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? Don I don't use the leaves as a vegetable, I use them as a condiment in the salad dressing. Not more than 3-4 young leaves for 4. Taste a bit like cucumber and is great that way. As for the tea I never take it more than once a week, like I told you before I also have a CNS that goes weird on me.. (just like today) and I am all crooked, face, body and walk like I am drunk. Brain is slow as well when I have those spells. Nobody can find what I have, so am very careful as to what I put in my body so I don't overstimulate anything..;-) Brigitte Don Quai [mysticalherbalist] January 2, 2004 4:06 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? It is my understanding from what I can glean the the flowers of borage are very low in PA's. The leaves will have much more of the PA's and you may wish to use them only if you are trying to address your adrenal glands. Coures you can always use parsley root and parsley leaf to address your adrenals as well and they are much less prone to causing liver damage. Change your salad greens to parsley, radiccio, lamb's lettuce, spinach, endive, cilantro, or other green leafy vegetables. Too much of the borage leaves will be just like eating too much comfrey. They both contain the PA's. (pyrrolizidine alkaloids). Don Quai - Bridge herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 9:10 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 No, How would they do that? Or is there a way I can do that myself? Tnx, Brigitte Don Quai [mysticalherbalist] January 3, 2004 6:26 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? No problemo then Brigitte. Enjoy your salads and dressings. Don Quai PS-- Checked for parasites at any time? - Bridge herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 10:27 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? Don I don't use the leaves as a vegetable, I use them as a condiment in the salad dressing. Not more than 3-4 young leaves for 4. Taste a bit like cucumber and is great that way. As for the tea I never take it more than once a week, like I told you before I also have a CNS that goes weird on me.. (just like today) and I am all crooked, face, body and walk like I am drunk. Brain is slow as well when I have those spells. Nobody can find what I have, so am very careful as to what I put in my body so I don't overstimulate anything..;-) Brigitte Don Quai [mysticalherbalist] January 2, 2004 4:06 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? It is my understanding from what I can glean the the flowers of borage are very low in PA's. The leaves will have much more of the PA's and you may wish to use them only if you are trying to address your adrenal glands. Coures you can always use parsley root and parsley leaf to address your adrenals as well and they are much less prone to causing liver damage. Change your salad greens to parsley, radiccio, lamb's lettuce, spinach, endive, cilantro, or other green leafy vegetables. Too much of the borage leaves will be just like eating too much comfrey. They both contain the PA's. (pyrrolizidine alkaloids). Don Quai - Bridge herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 9:10 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Stool samples are a very good place to start. Many problems in the body can be attributed to parasites whether they are intestinal, liver, lung or wherever. They can create all kinds of problems that are usually "We really don't know why you are experiencing these problemsIt is all in your head". Everyone has parasites in them. They are symbiotic which means they need your body to live. You give them life they give you eventual death. Some trade off eh?? For someone whose immune system has been compromised severly these parasites can really get a good foothold and have loads of fun at your expense. Talk with Doc he will be able to give you a much clearer picture about how to figure out or check out whether you have parasites or not. I am not trying to open a can of "worms here" pun intended but this could be a problem worth checking out and eliminating. Don Quai - Bridge herbal remedies Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:31 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? No, How would they do that? Or is there a way I can do that myself? Tnx, Brigitte ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 I am short on time so I haven't dug into the files, so I am sorry if I don't totally answer your question... Ephedra is traditionally used as a treatment for asthma, most likely because it is a decongestant. If it is used in a cold/flu formula or asthma formula my guess is it is because of the decongestant properties. You can substitute an herb like thyme or garlic or peppermint or any other decongestant. herbal remedies , " supervixen08 " <supervixen08> wrote: > Those of you who are herbalists might know the answer... I'm just > preparing for the worst-case scenario and I'm wondering: is there an > herb with qualities/effects similar to ephedra that might be used > with some reliability in place of ephedra in formulae like those in > the Files? Just curious, in case the heavy hand comes down with > finality. > > Love to all, > --Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 I'll do a bit of research on this Don, Thank you for the suggestion! BB Don Quai [mysticalherbalist] January 3, 2004 12:11 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? Stool samples are a very good place to start. Many problems in the body can be attributed to parasites whether they are intestinal, liver, lung or wherever. They can create all kinds of problems that are usually "We really don't know why you are experiencing these problemsIt is all in your head". Everyone has parasites in them. They are symbiotic which means they need your body to live. You give them life they give you eventual death. Some trade off eh?? For someone whose immune system has been compromised severly these parasites can really get a good foothold and have loads of fun at your expense. Talk with Doc he will be able to give you a much clearer picture about how to figure out or check out whether you have parasites or not. I am not trying to open a can of "worms here" pun intended but this could be a problem worth checking out and eliminating. Don Quai - Bridge herbal remedies Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:31 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? No, How would they do that? Or is there a way I can do that myself? Tnx, Brigitte ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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