Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 I was just at the FDA website, perusing the relevant dogma on the ephedra ruling. I found this in their FAQ on the ruling: http://www.fda.gov/oc/initiatives/ephedra/december2003/qa.html Are all products containing ephedra affected? Essentially all currently marketed dietary supplements will be affected by the rule. The rule does not pertain to traditional Chinese herbal remedies. It generally doesn't apply to products like herbal teas that are regulated as conventional foods. This is where it all starts: http://www.fda.gov/oc/initiatives/ephedra/december2003/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Goody! Thank you Skip I had seen a few things to that effect but even upon Google searches it was tough to find anything up-to-date. Some search returns even pointed to portions of the FDA's website but those, too, are now out- of-date and many gov't sites in general are sometimes tricky to navigate. All I really found was less-than-perfect information about a " ban on ephedra " and these sites failed to say that this ban is *IN CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER STIMULANTS*. I'm undecided about supporting THIS particular ban. Part of me is still opposed to this ban because ppl still have a right to make their own choices. On the other hand, though, part of me does support the ban on the ephedra/other stimulant combo because more ppl will ignore the warnings and overdose or otherwise abuse these formulas, and die. While I don't care about that so much (sorry if that sounds heartless) the reason I DO care about that happening is that eventually the FDA MIGHT ban ephedra altogether, which would affect us and all the good that we and many others are trying to do. Any thoughts? Muchas gracias again to you, Skip. Peace, --Jen herbal remedies , " Skip Taylor " <res08wix@v...> wrote: > I was just at the FDA website, perusing the relevant dogma on the ephedra ruling. > > I found this in their FAQ on the ruling: > > http://www.fda.gov/oc/initiatives/ephedra/december2003/qa.html > Are all products containing ephedra affected? > Essentially all currently marketed dietary supplements will be affected by the rule. > The rule does not pertain to traditional Chinese herbal remedies. It generally doesn't > apply to products like herbal teas that are regulated as conventional foods. > > This is where it all starts: > > http://www.fda.gov/oc/initiatives/ephedra/december2003/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 I will personally never support any ban on any form of alternative healing ever!!!! Every man, woman and child on the face of this planet has a God given right to choose their own health, therapy, medication, food, and lifestyle. Yes, maybe it does sound heartless, but it was their choice to die. Every one has that choice. This is how we live and learn. This is exactly the way it is intended from the beginning. Learning to make the most prosurvival choices all the time. I feel compassion for those who choose to kill themselves out of ignorance, but that the way it should be because it is their choice and they need to learn to make the most prosurvival choices. Government has no business in anything!!! The only reason government exists at all is because people are ignorant of truth. Government knows nothing about health, nutrition, medicine, medications or anything. As long as people continue to allow government to control every aspect of their lives then government will continue to control them. Give them an inch and they will take it all. It has already happened. We are just too blind to see the truth. However, nothing is ever carved in stone except death. Anything can change at any moment and change is always good no matter how anyone may view it at any time. Okay, I am done doing a little ranting and raving. The Mad Man of Slovenia, Don Quai - supervixen08 herbal remedies Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:42 AM [herbal remedies] Re: Ephedra and the FDA Goody! Thank you Skip ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Way to go, Don, glad you are HOT on the trail of it. Phyllis Who knows too. In a message dated 1/3/04 9:39:48 AM Mountain Standard Time, mysticalherbalist writes: Only the body dies, as we know it now. Me, I am eternal, infinite always. I am working on improving the body aspect to up the lifetime potential to thousands of years. Why keep changing bodies all the time. What a waste of energy. Sheeesh. Got to be a better way and I am hot on the trail of it. Hehehehehe Don Quai Who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 You're right on it!!! Can't argue with anything that you're saying except maybe.. and just maybe this: nothing is ever carved in stone except death? You must mean death of this body? Or of this reality? Brigitte who doesn't believe in death :-)) Don Quai [mysticalherbalist] January 3, 2004 5:53 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Ephedra and the FDA I will personally never support any ban on any form of alternative healing ever!!!! Every man, woman and child on the face of this planet has a God given right to choose their own health, therapy, medication, food, and lifestyle. Yes, maybe it does sound heartless, but it was their choice to die. Every one has that choice. This is how we live and learn. This is exactly the way it is intended from the beginning. Learning to make the most prosurvival choices all the time. I feel compassion for those who choose to kill themselves out of ignorance, but that the way it should be because it is their choice and they need to learn to make the most prosurvival choices. Government has no business in anything!!! The only reason government exists at all is because people are ignorant of truth. Government knows nothing about health, nutrition, medicine, medications or anything. As long as people continue to allow government to control every aspect of their lives then government will continue to control them. Give them an inch and they will take it all. It has already happened. We are just too blind to see the truth. However, nothing is ever carved in stone except death. Anything can change at any moment and change is always good no matter how anyone may view it at any time. Okay, I am done doing a little ranting and raving. The Mad Man of Slovenia, Don Quai - supervixen08 herbal remedies Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:42 AM [herbal remedies] Re: Ephedra and the FDA Goody! Thank you Skip ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 YEEHAWWW!!! *John stands up and applauds vigorousely* JohnDon Quai <mysticalherbalist wrote: I will personally never support any ban on any form of alternative healing ever!!!! Every man, woman and child on the face of this planet has a God given right to choose their own health, therapy, medication, food, and lifestyle. Yes, maybe it does sound heartless, but it was their choice to die. Every one has that choice. This is how we live and learn. This is exactly the way it is intended from the beginning. Learning to make the most prosurvival choices all the time. I feel compassion for those who choose to kill themselves out of ignorance, but that the way it should be because it is their choice and they need to learn to make the most prosurvival choices. Government has no business in anything!!! The only reason government exists at all is because people are ignorant of truth. Government knows nothing about health, nutrition, medicine, medications or anything. As long as people continue to allow government to control every aspect of their lives then government will continue to control them. Give them an inch and they will take it all. It has already happened. We are just too blind to see the truth. However, nothing is ever carved in stone except death. Anything can change at any moment and change is always good no matter how anyone may view it at any time. Okay, I am done doing a little ranting and raving. The Mad Man of Slovenia, Don Quai - supervixen08 herbal remedies Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:42 AM [herbal remedies] Re: Ephedra and the FDA Goody! Thank you Skip ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Damn straight The Libertarians have it right: Gov't's only 2 legit roles are the protection of life and property. ('Course, I'm Libertarian, so I'm biased lol.) I don't think that's heartless at all. I just threw that in as a disclaimer lol It's a survival-of-the-fittest thing, the Laws of Nature, which our society tends to ignore in favor of taking care of everyone. Everyone, of course, cannot be taken care of, so I get a little hot under the collar when we try, because this usually means that intelligent ppl are inconvenienced with stupid laws or taxed excessively. My ONLY worry is that if enough ppl were reckless with the weight- loss supplements and died from them, that would provide the gov't with the ammo they think they need to ban ephedra altogether, even though it's a safe God-made plant. Gov't doesn't think about survival of the fittest and how that philosophy is best when dealing with the human race in the long term. They simply don't care. They think it's their job to take care of everyone and they'll try to appear like they're doing so in order to keep getting re-elected. And you are right: give them an inch and they'll take it all. And: once they have it, they'll never give it back. I would absolutely NEVER support a ban on ephedra itself. (Hell, y'all saw my panic over the last couple of days lol.) What I think is happening is that the FDA is coming down on companies who sell epheDRINE (which is classified as a drug, not a dietary supplement) as a component in the weight-loss products. (Somehow, this got translated into the hot rumor that they're gonna " ban ephedra " .) My gut reaction is that they can regulate DRUGS all they want: but leave the natural PLANTS alone! They're food supplements and should be treated as such. Foods have wonderful constituents that do great things. Pineapple is a decongestant, peppermint is a digestive aid, ginger's good for nausea, and garlic is nature's real antibiotic. All natural food has powerful (and often underrated) effects. Ephedra is the same way: food with powerful effects. Just because some ppl took the drug epheDRINE with a bunch of caffeine and not-shockingly died is NOT a reason to ever ban ephedra. Hehe, hope that made sense, I've been sick and on top of that, I just woke up Peace, --Jen herbal remedies , " Don Quai " <mysticalherbalist> wrote: > I will personally never support any ban on any form of alternative healing > ever!!!! Every man, woman and child on the face of this planet has a God > given right to choose their own health, therapy, medication, food, and > lifestyle. Yes, maybe it does sound heartless, but it was their choice to > die. Every one has that choice. This is how we live and learn. This is > exactly the way it is intended from the beginning. Learning to make the most > prosurvival choices all the time. > > I feel compassion for those who choose to kill themselves out of ignorance, > but that the way it should be because it is their choice and they need to > learn to make the most prosurvival choices. > > Government has no business in anything!!! The only reason government exists > at all is because people are ignorant of truth. Government knows nothing > about health, nutrition, medicine, medications or anything. > > As long as people continue to allow government to control every aspect of > their lives then government will continue to control them. Give them an inch > and they will take it all. It has already happened. We are just too blind to > see the truth. However, nothing is ever carved in stone except death. > Anything can change at any moment and change is always good no matter how > anyone may view it at any time. > > Okay, I am done doing a little ranting and raving. > > The Mad Man of Slovenia, > > Don Quai > - > supervixen08 > herbal remedies > Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:42 AM > [herbal remedies] Re: Ephedra and the FDA > > > Goody! Thank you Skip > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here! > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Only the body dies, as we know it now. Me, I am eternal, infinite always. I am working on improving the body aspect to up the lifetime potential to thousands of years. Why keep changing bodies all the time. What a waste of energy. Sheeesh. Got to be a better way and I am hot on the trail of it. Hehehehehe Don Quai Who knows - Bridge herbal remedies Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:55 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: Ephedra and the FDA You're right on it!!! Can't argue with anything that you're saying except maybe.. and just maybe this: nothing is ever carved in stone except death? You must mean death of this body? Or of this reality? Brigitte who doesn't believe in death :-)) ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Alright, alright, I understand the thrust of this, but let's keep the party politics outa this. OK? ) Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - supervixen08 herbal remedies Saturday, January 03, 2004 9:01 AM [herbal remedies] Re: Ephedra and the FDA Damn straight The Libertarians have it right: Gov't's only 2 legit roles are the protection of life and property. ('Course, I'm Libertarian, so I'm biased lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 oops...sorry! herbal remedies , " Dr. Ian Shillington " <Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote: > Alright, alright, I understand the thrust of this, but let's keep the party politics outa this. OK? > ) > Love, > Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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