Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Those of you who are herbalists might know the answer... I'm just preparing for the worst-case scenario and I'm wondering: is there an herb with qualities/effects similar to ephedra that might be used with some reliability in place of ephedra in formulae like those in the Files? Just curious, in case the heavy hand comes down with finality. Love to all, --Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Well I'm not sure off the top of my head (dusting off the books) Was going to be a long rainy day. will have to give this a look. : ) Don, Suzi....? herbal remedies , " supervixen08 " <supervixen08> wrote: > Those of you who are herbalists might know the answer... I'm just > preparing for the worst-case scenario and I'm wondering: is there an > herb with qualities/effects similar to ephedra that might be used > with some reliability in place of ephedra in formulae like those in > the Files? Just curious, in case the heavy hand comes down with > finality. > > Love to all, > --Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Off the top of my head I don't think there is a substitute... not saying I could be wrong.. however, if there is, why haven't the drug companies used a substitute to appease the FDA etc... just my thoughts. many herbs don't have a substitute... they have particular qualities.. that is what makes this so bad..once these herbs are gone...there is no replacing them..it is like the rain forrests...we are losing valuable herbs - There may be something similar but will not be the same or have the same results. SuziRay <jankgreenhouse wrote: Well I'm not sure off the top of my head (dusting off the books)Was going to be a long rainy day. will have to give this a look. : )Don, Suzi....? Find out what made the Top Searches of 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 There are not too many plants, that have been researched, that contain ephedrine. Sida cordifolia is one and there are a whole slew of others beginning with Ephedra or Sida. But not too many others. Guess it is gonna boil down to natural health going underground again like it had to do hundreds of years ago. Ah well, keep your eyeballs peeled for whatever you can find. All known herbal knowledge today came about through prayer, visions and trial and error. I much prefer the first two myself. So who knows what we will find when we have to resort to other means?????? Don Quai - Ray herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 2:48 PM [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? Well I'm not sure off the top of my head (dusting off the books)Was going to be a long rainy day. will have to give this a look. : ) ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 There you go..LOL Now a real dumb question: What does Ephedrine do exactly in our body? Don Quai [mysticalherbalist] January 2, 2004 1:53 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? There are not too many plants, that have been researched, that contain ephedrine. Sida cordifolia is one and there are a whole slew of others beginning with Ephedra or Sida. But not too many others. Guess it is gonna boil down to natural health going underground again like it had to do hundreds of years ago. Ah well, keep your eyeballs peeled for whatever you can find. All known herbal knowledge today came about through prayer, visions and trial and error. I much prefer the first two myself. So who knows what we will find when we have to resort to other means?????? Don Quai - Ray herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 2:48 PM [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? Well I'm not sure off the top of my head (dusting off the books)Was going to be a long rainy day. will have to give this a look. : ) ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 What about Ma Huang? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Hi Chris, Ma Huang is the Chinese name for Ephedra. Same plant. Don Quai - Chris Rife herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 8:13 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? What about Ma Huang? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 C'mon now, No dumb questions exist in this universe. Here is some info on ephedra. Now the little part in red is most likely why ephedra is about to be banned in America. The pharmaceutical companies are not benefiting enough from their toxic wastes and too many people are being healthy or getting their on their own. Need I say more. This is not something to try and fight French Liveritis with. Don Quai Medicinal Values The Medicinal use of Ephedra in China dates from approximately 2800B.C. In 1923 the practitioners of Western Medicine began their interest in Ephedra. Soon after, ephedrine became widely used as a nasal decongestant, a central nervous system stimulant, and a treatment for asthma in America. The isolated alkaloid originally obtained from Ephedra species, have been used in a substantial amount of prescription drugs and over-the-counter decongestants and allergy medications (2,4). The main alkaloids are ephedrine and pseudoephedrine. Ephedrine taken orally or by injection is a successful bronchodilator used in the treatment of mild to moderate asthma and hay fever. Its been known that long term use of Ephedra may weaken the adrenal glands, causing a decrease in the therapeutic effects and a development of dependency. Another popular use of Ephedra is its ability to suppress the appetite. It increases the body's metabolic rate, and aids in fat breakdown (5). Research has shown that weight reduction is greatest in individuals with a naturally low basal metabolic rate. Ephedra's thermogenic effects can be intensified when taken in combination with caffeine. Herbal sources rich in caffeine include coffee (Coffea arabica), tea (Cameilia sinensis), and cola nut (Cola nitida). Ephedra has also been used in decreasing of cigarette craving, promotion of uterine contraction, and promotion of menstruation (3). Ephedra is very similar in action to Epinephrine (adrenaline). They both increase heart rate, blood pressure, and cardiac output, but Ephedrine lasts about ten times longer. Ephedrine can be administered orally, whereas Epinephrine must be injected. Ephedra's molecular structure is similar to methamphetamines (speed), and therefore can produce a positive urine test for amphetamines (speed). Ephedrine has been used as an alternative to "Ecstasy", an illegal street drug (2,5). Warnings The known side effects of Ephedra include insomnia, slight elevation in blood pressure, increased pulse rate, anxiety, dry mouth, and headaches. Ephedra has multiple adverse effects, particularly in large doses. One effect is its action in the gastrointestinal tract; it decreases tone motility, and secretory activity, which can result in nausea and vomiting. The Food and Drug Administration, recommends individuals with heart disease, high blood pressure, thyroid disease, diabetes, and/or an enlarged prostate should not take Ephedrine (2-5). - Bridge herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 8:02 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? There you go..LOL Now a real dumb question: What does Ephedrine do exactly in our body? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Than you..;-) and don't worry I am careful..The reason I asked was that Borage (flowers) as the same effect on the CNS and I was wondering if it could replace Ephedra but would be safer? Don Quai [mysticalherbalist] January 2, 2004 2:28 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? C'mon now, No dumb questions exist in this universe. Here is some info on ephedra. Now the little part in red is most likely why ephedra is about to be banned in America. The pharmaceutical companies are not benefiting enough from their toxic wastes and too many people are being healthy or getting their on their own. Need I say more. This is not something to try and fight French Liveritis with. Don Quai Medicinal Values The Medicinal use of Ephedra in China dates from approximately 2800B.C. In 1923 the practitioners of Western Medicine began their interest in Ephedra. Soon after, ephedrine became widely used as a nasal decongestant, a central nervous system stimulant, and a treatment for asthma in America. The isolated alkaloid originally obtained from Ephedra species, have been used in a substantial amount of prescription drugs and over-the-counter decongestants and allergy medications (2,4). The main alkaloids are ephedrine and pseudoephedrine. Ephedrine taken orally or by injection is a successful bronchodilator used in the treatment of mild to moderate asthma and hay fever. Its been known that long term use of Ephedra may weaken the adrenal glands, causing a decrease in the therapeutic effects and a development of dependency. Another popular use of Ephedra is its ability to suppress the appetite. It increases the body's metabolic rate, and aids in fat breakdown (5). Research has shown that weight reduction is greatest in individuals with a naturally low basal metabolic rate. Ephedra's thermogenic effects can be intensified when taken in combination with caffeine. Herbal sources rich in caffeine include coffee (Coffea arabica), tea (Cameilia sinensis), and cola nut (Cola nitida). Ephedra has also been used in decreasing of cigarette craving, promotion of uterine contraction, and promotion of menstruation (3). Ephedra is very similar in action to Epinephrine (adrenaline). They both increase heart rate, blood pressure, and cardiac output, but Ephedrine lasts about ten times longer. Ephedrine can be administered orally, whereas Epinephrine must be injected. Ephedra's molecular structure is similar to methamphetamines (speed), and therefore can produce a positive urine test for amphetamines (speed). Ephedrine has been used as an alternative to "Ecstasy", an illegal street drug (2,5). Warnings The known side effects of Ephedra include insomnia, slight elevation in blood pressure, increased pulse rate, anxiety, dry mouth, and headaches. Ephedra has multiple adverse effects, particularly in large doses. One effect is its action in the gastrointestinal tract; it decreases tone motility, and secretory activity, which can result in nausea and vomiting. The Food and Drug Administration, recommends individuals with heart disease, high blood pressure, thyroid disease, diabetes, and/or an enlarged prostate should not take Ephedrine (2-5). - Bridge herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 8:02 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? There you go..LOL Now a real dumb question: What does Ephedrine do exactly in our body? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 I doubt they will ban Sudafed though. That one has a "patent". -Shelby Don Quai [mysticalherbalist]Friday, January 02, 2004 11:28 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? C'mon now, No dumb questions exist in this universe. Here is some info on ephedra. Now the little part in red is most likely why ephedra is about to be banned in America. The pharmaceutical companies are not benefiting enough from their toxic wastes and too many people are being healthy or getting their on their own. Need I say more. This is not something to try and fight French Liveritis with. Don Quai Medicinal Values The Medicinal use of Ephedra in China dates from approximately 2800B.C. In 1923 the practitioners of Western Medicine began their interest in Ephedra. Soon after, ephedrine became widely used as a nasal decongestant, a central nervous system stimulant, and a treatment for asthma in America. The isolated alkaloid originally obtained from Ephedra species, have been used in a substantial amount of prescription drugs and over-the-counter decongestants and allergy medications (2,4). The main alkaloids are ephedrine and pseudoephedrine. Ephedrine taken orally or by injection is a successful bronchodilator used in the treatment of mild to moderate asthma and hay fever. Its been known that long term use of Ephedra may weaken the adrenal glands, causing a decrease in the therapeutic effects and a development of dependency. Another popular use of Ephedra is its ability to suppress the appetite. It increases the body's metabolic rate, and aids in fat breakdown (5). Research has shown that weight reduction is greatest in individuals with a naturally low basal metabolic rate. Ephedra's thermogenic effects can be intensified when taken in combination with caffeine. Herbal sources rich in caffeine include coffee (Coffea arabica), tea (Cameilia sinensis), and cola nut (Cola nitida). Ephedra has also been used in decreasing of cigarette craving, promotion of uterine contraction, and promotion of menstruation (3). Ephedra is very similar in action to Epinephrine (adrenaline). They both increase heart rate, blood pressure, and cardiac output, but Ephedrine lasts about ten times longer. Ephedrine can be administered orally, whereas Epinephrine must be injected. Ephedra's molecular structure is similar to methamphetamines (speed), and therefore can produce a positive urine test for amphetamines (speed). Ephedrine has been used as an alternative to "Ecstasy", an illegal street drug (2,5). Warnings The known side effects of Ephedra include insomnia, slight elevation in blood pressure, increased pulse rate, anxiety, dry mouth, and headaches. Ephedra has multiple adverse effects, particularly in large doses. One effect is its action in the gastrointestinal tract; it decreases tone motility, and secretory activity, which can result in nausea and vomiting. The Food and Drug Administration, recommends individuals with heart disease, high blood pressure, thyroid disease, diabetes, and/or an enlarged prostate should not take Ephedrine (2-5). - Bridge herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 8:02 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? There you go..LOL Now a real dumb question: What does Ephedrine do exactly in our body? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Don, If I only had French Liveritis I would be the happiest person in the world. But at times I really need something to give me a bit of a boost as I don't have enough energy to even get out of bed or do anything useful, I've found that if I take a cup of Borage it does stimulate me, but I have to divide the cup in six or height since it is too strong for my nervous system. But in little dose it is a wonderful feeling.. just like when you get an emergency and your adrenaline is pumping..;-) Tried the leaves and they don't have the same effects but are full of potassium and taste good so I use them in my salad dressings. Do you think that it would be also dangerous for my liver? Didn't have any problems related to this so far. Brigitte Don Quai [mysticalherbalist] January 2, 2004 2:28 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? C'mon now, No dumb questions exist in this universe. Here is some info on ephedra. Now the little part in red is most likely why ephedra is about to be banned in America. The pharmaceutical companies are not benefiting enough from their toxic wastes and too many people are being healthy or getting their on their own. Need I say more. This is not something to try and fight French Liveritis with. Don Quai Medicinal Values The Medicinal use of Ephedra in China dates from approximately 2800B.C. In 1923 the practitioners of Western Medicine began their interest in Ephedra. Soon after, ephedrine became widely used as a nasal decongestant, a central nervous system stimulant, and a treatment for asthma in America. The isolated alkaloid originally obtained from Ephedra species, have been used in a substantial amount of prescription drugs and over-the-counter decongestants and allergy medications (2,4). The main alkaloids are ephedrine and pseudoephedrine. Ephedrine taken orally or by injection is a successful bronchodilator used in the treatment of mild to moderate asthma and hay fever. Its been known that long term use of Ephedra may weaken the adrenal glands, causing a decrease in the therapeutic effects and a development of dependency. Another popular use of Ephedra is its ability to suppress the appetite. It increases the body's metabolic rate, and aids in fat breakdown (5). Research has shown that weight reduction is greatest in individuals with a naturally low basal metabolic rate. Ephedra's thermogenic effects can be intensified when taken in combination with caffeine. Herbal sources rich in caffeine include coffee (Coffea arabica), tea (Cameilia sinensis), and cola nut (Cola nitida). Ephedra has also been used in decreasing of cigarette craving, promotion of uterine contraction, and promotion of menstruation (3). Ephedra is very similar in action to Epinephrine (adrenaline). They both increase heart rate, blood pressure, and cardiac output, but Ephedrine lasts about ten times longer. Ephedrine can be administered orally, whereas Epinephrine must be injected. Ephedra's molecular structure is similar to methamphetamines (speed), and therefore can produce a positive urine test for amphetamines (speed). Ephedrine has been used as an alternative to "Ecstasy", an illegal street drug (2,5). Warnings The known side effects of Ephedra include insomnia, slight elevation in blood pressure, increased pulse rate, anxiety, dry mouth, and headaches. Ephedra has multiple adverse effects, particularly in large doses. One effect is its action in the gastrointestinal tract; it decreases tone motility, and secretory activity, which can result in nausea and vomiting. The Food and Drug Administration, recommends individuals with heart disease, high blood pressure, thyroid disease, diabetes, and/or an enlarged prostate should not take Ephedrine (2-5). - Bridge herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 8:02 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? There you go..LOL Now a real dumb question: What does Ephedrine do exactly in our body? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 It is my understanding from what I can glean the the flowers of borage are very low in PA's. The leaves will have much more of the PA's and you may wish to use them only if you are trying to address your adrenal glands. Coures you can always use parsley root and parsley leaf to address your adrenals as well and they are much less prone to causing liver damage. Change your salad greens to parsley, radiccio, lamb's lettuce, spinach, endive, cilantro, or other green leafy vegetables. Too much of the borage leaves will be just like eating too much comfrey. They both contain the PA's. (pyrrolizidine alkaloids). Don Quai - Bridge herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 9:10 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Don I don't use the leaves as a vegetable, I use them as a condiment in the salad dressing. Not more than 3-4 young leaves for 4. Taste a bit like cucumber and is great that way. As for the tea I never take it more than once a week, like I told you before I also have a CNS that goes weird on me.. (just like today) and I am all crooked, face, body and walk like I am drunk. Brain is slow as well when I have those spells. Nobody can find what I have, so am very careful as to what I put in my body so I don't overstimulate anything..;-) Brigitte Don Quai [mysticalherbalist] January 2, 2004 4:06 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? It is my understanding from what I can glean the the flowers of borage are very low in PA's. The leaves will have much more of the PA's and you may wish to use them only if you are trying to address your adrenal glands. Coures you can always use parsley root and parsley leaf to address your adrenals as well and they are much less prone to causing liver damage. Change your salad greens to parsley, radiccio, lamb's lettuce, spinach, endive, cilantro, or other green leafy vegetables. Too much of the borage leaves will be just like eating too much comfrey. They both contain the PA's. (pyrrolizidine alkaloids). Don Quai - Bridge herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 9:10 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 what is "French Liveritis" ?? ken - Don Quai herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 2:27 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? C'mon now, No dumb questions exist in this universe. Here is some info on ephedra. Now the little part in red is most likely why ephedra is about to be banned in America. The pharmaceutical companies are not benefiting enough from their toxic wastes and too many people are being healthy or getting their on their own. Need I say more. This is not something to try and fight French Liveritis with. Don Quai Medicinal Values The Medicinal use of Ephedra in China dates from approximately 2800B.C. In 1923 the practitioners of Western Medicine began their interest in Ephedra. Soon after, ephedrine became widely used as a nasal decongestant, a central nervous system stimulant, and a treatment for asthma in America. The isolated alkaloid originally obtained from Ephedra species, have been used in a substantial amount of prescription drugs and over-the-counter decongestants and allergy medications (2,4). The main alkaloids are ephedrine and pseudoephedrine. Ephedrine taken orally or by injection is a successful bronchodilator used in the treatment of mild to moderate asthma and hay fever. Its been known that long term use of Ephedra may weaken the adrenal glands, causing a decrease in the therapeutic effects and a development of dependency. Another popular use of Ephedra is its ability to suppress the appetite. It increases the body's metabolic rate, and aids in fat breakdown (5). Research has shown that weight reduction is greatest in individuals with a naturally low basal metabolic rate. Ephedra's thermogenic effects can be intensified when taken in combination with caffeine. Herbal sources rich in caffeine include coffee (Coffea arabica), tea (Cameilia sinensis), and cola nut (Cola nitida). Ephedra has also been used in decreasing of cigarette craving, promotion of uterine contraction, and promotion of menstruation (3). Ephedra is very similar in action to Epinephrine (adrenaline). They both increase heart rate, blood pressure, and cardiac output, but Ephedrine lasts about ten times longer. Ephedrine can be administered orally, whereas Epinephrine must be injected. Ephedra's molecular structure is similar to methamphetamines (speed), and therefore can produce a positive urine test for amphetamines (speed). Ephedrine has been used as an alternative to "Ecstasy", an illegal street drug (2,5). Warnings The known side effects of Ephedra include insomnia, slight elevation in blood pressure, increased pulse rate, anxiety, dry mouth, and headaches. Ephedra has multiple adverse effects, particularly in large doses. One effect is its action in the gastrointestinal tract; it decreases tone motility, and secretory activity, which can result in nausea and vomiting. The Food and Drug Administration, recommends individuals with heart disease, high blood pressure, thyroid disease, diabetes, and/or an enlarged prostate should not take Ephedrine (2-5). - Bridge herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 8:02 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? There you go..LOL Now a real dumb question: What does Ephedrine do exactly in our body? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Ken, A very rare disease that only people who speak French and have difficulties with the English language can have. Very painful.. believe me. It is just a joke between us.. for my liver problem and since I am French.. well. The good news nobody on this group can catch it except maybe John :-))) Don't worry it is not a new disease, Avec humour, Brigitte Atnip [catnip] January 2, 2004 4:38 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? what is "French Liveritis" ?? ken - Don Quai herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 2:27 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? C'mon now, No dumb questions exist in this universe. Here is some info on ephedra. Now the little part in red is most likely why ephedra is about to be banned in America. The pharmaceutical companies are not benefiting enough from their toxic wastes and too many people are being healthy or getting their on their own. Need I say more. This is not something to try and fight French Liveritis with. Don Quai Medicinal Values The Medicinal use of Ephedra in China dates from approximately 2800B.C. In 1923 the practitioners of Western Medicine began their interest in Ephedra. Soon after, ephedrine became widely used as a nasal decongestant, a central nervous system stimulant, and a treatment for asthma in America. The isolated alkaloid originally obtained from Ephedra species, have been used in a substantial amount of prescription drugs and over-the-counter decongestants and allergy medications (2,4). The main alkaloids are ephedrine and pseudoephedrine. Ephedrine taken orally or by injection is a successful bronchodilator used in the treatment of mild to moderate asthma and hay fever. Its been known that long term use of Ephedra may weaken the adrenal glands, causing a decrease in the therapeutic effects and a development of dependency. Another popular use of Ephedra is its ability to suppress the appetite. It increases the body's metabolic rate, and aids in fat breakdown (5). Research has shown that weight reduction is greatest in individuals with a naturally low basal metabolic rate. Ephedra's thermogenic effects can be intensified when taken in combination with caffeine. Herbal sources rich in caffeine include coffee (Coffea arabica), tea (Cameilia sinensis), and cola nut (Cola nitida). Ephedra has also been used in decreasing of cigarette craving, promotion of uterine contraction, and promotion of menstruation (3). Ephedra is very similar in action to Epinephrine (adrenaline). They both increase heart rate, blood pressure, and cardiac output, but Ephedrine lasts about ten times longer. Ephedrine can be administered orally, whereas Epinephrine must be injected. Ephedra's molecular structure is similar to methamphetamines (speed), and therefore can produce a positive urine test for amphetamines (speed). Ephedrine has been used as an alternative to "Ecstasy", an illegal street drug (2,5). Warnings The known side effects of Ephedra include insomnia, slight elevation in blood pressure, increased pulse rate, anxiety, dry mouth, and headaches. Ephedra has multiple adverse effects, particularly in large doses. One effect is its action in the gastrointestinal tract; it decreases tone motility, and secretory activity, which can result in nausea and vomiting. The Food and Drug Administration, recommends individuals with heart disease, high blood pressure, thyroid disease, diabetes, and/or an enlarged prostate should not take Ephedrine (2-5). - Bridge herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 8:02 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? There you go..LOL Now a real dumb question: What does Ephedrine do exactly in our body? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Brigitte, Oui, Merci beaucoup. My wife helped me with this, So I hope this is a nice response. ken - Bridge herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 4:48 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? Ken, A very rare disease that only people who speak French and have difficulties with the English language can have. Very painful.. believe me. It is just a joke between us.. for my liver problem and since I am French.. well. The good news nobody on this group can catch it except maybe John :-))) Don't worry it is not a new disease, Avec humour, Brigitte Atnip [catnip] January 2, 2004 4:38 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? what is "French Liveritis" ?? ken - Don Quai herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 2:27 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? C'mon now, No dumb questions exist in this universe. Here is some info on ephedra. Now the little part in red is most likely why ephedra is about to be banned in America. The pharmaceutical companies are not benefiting enough from their toxic wastes and too many people are being healthy or getting their on their own. Need I say more. This is not something to try and fight French Liveritis with. Don Quai Medicinal Values The Medicinal use of Ephedra in China dates from approximately 2800B.C. In 1923 the practitioners of Western Medicine began their interest in Ephedra. Soon after, ephedrine became widely used as a nasal decongestant, a central nervous system stimulant, and a treatment for asthma in America. The isolated alkaloid originally obtained from Ephedra species, have been used in a substantial amount of prescription drugs and over-the-counter decongestants and allergy medications (2,4). The main alkaloids are ephedrine and pseudoephedrine. Ephedrine taken orally or by injection is a successful bronchodilator used in the treatment of mild to moderate asthma and hay fever. Its been known that long term use of Ephedra may weaken the adrenal glands, causing a decrease in the therapeutic effects and a development of dependency. Another popular use of Ephedra is its ability to suppress the appetite. It increases the body's metabolic rate, and aids in fat breakdown (5). Research has shown that weight reduction is greatest in individuals with a naturally low basal metabolic rate. Ephedra's thermogenic effects can be intensified when taken in combination with caffeine. Herbal sources rich in caffeine include coffee (Coffea arabica), tea (Cameilia sinensis), and cola nut (Cola nitida). Ephedra has also been used in decreasing of cigarette craving, promotion of uterine contraction, and promotion of menstruation (3). Ephedra is very similar in action to Epinephrine (adrenaline). They both increase heart rate, blood pressure, and cardiac output, but Ephedrine lasts about ten times longer. Ephedrine can be administered orally, whereas Epinephrine must be injected. Ephedra's molecular structure is similar to methamphetamines (speed), and therefore can produce a positive urine test for amphetamines (speed). Ephedrine has been used as an alternative to "Ecstasy", an illegal street drug (2,5). Warnings The known side effects of Ephedra include insomnia, slight elevation in blood pressure, increased pulse rate, anxiety, dry mouth, and headaches. Ephedra has multiple adverse effects, particularly in large doses. One effect is its action in the gastrointestinal tract; it decreases tone motility, and secretory activity, which can result in nausea and vomiting. The Food and Drug Administration, recommends individuals with heart disease, high blood pressure, thyroid disease, diabetes, and/or an enlarged prostate should not take Ephedrine (2-5). - Bridge herbal remedies Friday, January 02, 2004 8:02 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: any substitute for ephedra? There you go..LOL Now a real dumb question: What does Ephedrine do exactly in our body? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.557 / Virus Database: 349 - Release 12/30/03Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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