Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Stock up guys. This herb is crucial to the Nerve Regeneration Formula. Get some seeds and plant your own. According to some skinny lines I'm on, Natural Healing as we know it may be outlawed within the next 2 to 3 years. The following story is from the Christian Science Monitor On line: US to ban dietary supplement ephedra Posted: Tuesday, December 30, 9:45am ESTThe Bush administration has decided to ban the herbal weight-loss supplement ephedra from the marketplace because of concerns about its effects on health, government officials said Tuesday. Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson and Food and Drug Administration chief Mark McClellan were to announce the ban at a midday news conference, the officials said, speaking only on condition of anonymity. The ban is likely to be met with litigation from manufacturers who dispute the agency's assertion that ephedra, which was blamed in the death of a professional baseball player earlier this year, is a health risk. The government ban, one of the first involving a dietary supplement, comes after Thompson this summer urged Congress to rewrite a law that rolled back dietary-supplement regulations and to require manufacturers to acknowledge potential side effects. Ephedra has been linked to as many as 100 deaths, officials have said. And Congress gathered testimony from families of people who are believed to have died from its side effects. Among those who testified were the parents of Baltimore Orioles pitcher Steve Bechler, who died during spring training last February while trying to lose weight. Toxicology tests showed ephedra in his system. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 No way Tiff!!! Don't give in to this bull shit. Look at the figures below. We're talking about "as many as 100 deaths" which is 1/3,000,000ths of the American population or one in 3 million or .0000003% of the population. Over 250,000 people die each year from Iatrogenic diseases (Medical Doctor caused). Outlaw Medical Doctors - Not Ephedra!!! This is a Pharmaceutical / Medico con job. Just another nail in the Herbal Medicine coffin. Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Tiffany Schaibley herbal remedies Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:00 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Ephedra This is all over the news as well. While I agree that there are many benefits...I almost think this is a must. People are not using it safely and they are dying. While alot of people arent into herbs and wont take matters into their own hands...they will buy something in a bottle that promises weight loss...which is what they are using it for, not nerve regeneration. If people cant be responsable then this is sadly what will continue to happen. tiffany"Dr. Ian Shillington" <Dr.IanShillington wrote: Stock up guys. This herb is crucial to the Nerve Regeneration Formula. Get some seeds and plant your own. According to some skinny lines I'm on, Natural Healing as we know it may be outlawed within the next 2 to 3 years. The following story is from the Christian Science Monitor On line: US to ban dietary supplement ephedra Posted: Tuesday, December 30, 9:45am ESTThe Bush administration has decided to ban the herbal weight-loss supplement ephedra from the marketplace because of concerns about its effects on health, government officials said Tuesday. Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson and Food and Drug Administration chief Mark McClellan were to announce the ban at a midday news conference, the officials said, speaking only on condition of anonymity. The ban is likely to be met with litigation from manufacturers who dispute the agency's assertion that ephedra, which was blamed in the death of a professional baseball player earlier this year, is a health risk. The government ban, one of the first involving a dietary supplement, comes after Thompson this summer urged Congress to rewrite a law that rolled back dietary-supplement regulations and to require manufacturers to acknowledge potential side effects. Ephedra has been linked to as many as 100 deaths, officials have said. And Congress gathered testimony from families of people who are believed to have died from its side effects. Among those who testified were the parents of Baltimore Orioles pitcher Steve Bechler, who died during spring training last February while trying to lose weight. Toxicology tests showed ephedra in his system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 I understand hon, but the greatest "out-point" in the news article is the "dropped time". 100 people since "when"??????? This could be over a 2 year period or over 20 to 50 years . . . "They" left this very important piece of the puzzle out of the equation (typical for the pharmaceuticals when they're trying to sell us a bull of goods). Even though Ephedra is a powerful herb, you really have to go out of your way to do any serious damage with it. I mean, you really have to "try" to do yourself in with it. Way more than a 100 people die each year just from colds. You have to put this in its proper perspective. People don't use sugar correctly either. They don't use "meat" correctly. People abuse pharmaceuticals way more than herbals but the herb stats are the ones touted by the FDA etc. Naaaaaaaaaaa, I'll take the chance of a couple of deaths and keep my freedoms. And that's speaking from my Doctor hat and my Patriot hat worn synonymously. These hats are not antipathetic. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Tiffany Schaibley herbal remedies Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Ephedra Oh gosh, Im not giving into anything...I totally believe in the power of herbs. I just believe that this is a very powerful one and people are not using it correctly. The nurse in me tends to come out every once in awhile..."Dr. Ian Shillington" <Dr.IanShillington wrote: No way Tiff!!! Don't give in to this bull shit. Look at the figures below. We're talking about "as many as 100 deaths" which is 1/3,000,000ths of the American population or one in 3 million or .0000003% of the population. Over 250,000 people die each year from Iatrogenic diseases (Medical Doctor caused). Outlaw Medical Doctors - Not Ephedra!!! This is a Pharmaceutical / Medico con job. Just another nail in the Herbal Medicine coffin. Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Answer: The same way they feel they have the right to listen in on our private communications with the Patriot Act I & II. They are fully capable of intercepting this email. You can have your Folgers. I'm ready for a tall stiff drink and a cigar LOL ;o) Doc PS. Only kidding on the "drink and the cigar". I neither smoke nor drink alcohol. How about a stiff glass of orange juice ;o) Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Ray herbal remedies Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:22 AM [herbal remedies] re: ephedra Thanks for the heads up on ephedra, will find seed today.Question here. how does the GOV. care to attempt to make herbal medicine/ healing against the law?As long as anyone has a thought process and as long as there is information about the herbs that mother has given us then there will always be those of us that choose to do things this way. I never thought that there would be a problem with simple plants.Strange reaction from a politician who carrys a surname from the plant kingdom.This is almost enough to make one want to go drink a couple pots of FOLGERS... : )Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Emergency medicine only. I can think of no other cases where they needed at all. Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Tiffany Schaibley herbal remedies Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:50 AM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: Ephedra hmmm...I refuse to be inclusive on that part. There are many cases in which prescription drugs and docotrs are very much needed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 You know, what I find amazing Diane, is that you'll find the Psychs and their "opinions" (on those three subjects) in the thick of it all. Interesting. Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - jesusislord57 herbal remedies Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:00 PM [herbal remedies] Re: Ephedra OHHHHHHHH dont get me started on that one! The failure of the publick school system is totally unreal and inexcusable!.... guns, my herbs, and publick school! (Yes i spelled it that way intentionally.)AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!diane in nw mt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Tiff, I don't think anyone here is trying to "flame" you. I think you're just running into some very vehement disagreement. When you say, "but I also dont think it should be readily available on the shelves of walmart", you are compromising. And for those of us who are hard core herbalists, to us, this statement is a compromise with "Freedom" itself. Now I might compromise with my wife Valorie on what to have for dinner or on what movie we're going to go see next, but there are certain things I refuse to compromise on whatsoever. And "FREEDOM" is at the head of that list. This is a difficult subject and can be muddied very easily by those who are trying to push succumbingness, degredation and slavery down our throats. Your Porno King (psych encouraged) is trying to claim he is "free" to publish his filth while abusing and exploiting children. This is Orwellian double think, just as the government's naming of the Patriot Act is double speak. In reality, it is not patriotic at all, and is actually the reverse. There is "Freedom From" and there is "Freedom To". And one has to look at this from the viewpoint of "The Greatest Good, For the Greatest Number" of all concerned. Is a factor "Survival" oriented, or is it "Succumb" oriented??? This is what needs to be answered in regards any freedom concept as pertaining to the greatest number of individuals. To me, 100 deaths over the years, out of 300,000,000 is not a stat I'm going to get upset about. It is not even a sizable minority or even a drop in the bucket. A drop in the ocean maybe. I'd rather Ephedra be on the shelves of Walmart and have a few die each year than have any kind of limitation on the rest of us and our use of it. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Tiffany Schaibley herbal remedies Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:23 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Ephedra BEing a doctor you do know that it is not necessary to go out of your way to harm yourself with any herb or medication. Lets think about all the health problems and such that are out there....the heart conditions, the liver conditions...these are affected by anything you do or take in excess! I think Ephedra is marketed towards people with weight problems that have little in the way of self esteem, sadly enough...once these people get a few pounds off, they are taking much more than recommended...it is no hidden fact that Ephedra comes with alot of side effects...as does being overweight...the two together increase anyones risks of the effects on each of them...coprenda? I do not think that it should be banned...but I also dont think it should be readily avaiable on the shelves of walmart... tiffany"Dr. Ian Shillington" <Dr.IanShillington wrote: I understand hon, but the greatest "out-point" in the news article is the "dropped time". 100 people since "when"??????? This could be over a 2 year period or over 20 to 50 years . . . "They" left this very important piece of the puzzle out of the equation (typical for the pharmaceuticals when they're trying to sell us a bull of goods). Even though Ephedra is a powerful herb, you really have to go out of your way to do any serious damage with it. I mean, you really have to "try" to do yourself in with it. Way more than a 100 people die each year just from colds. You have to put this in its proper perspective. People don't use sugar correctly either. They don't use "meat" correctly. People abuse pharmaceuticals way more than herbals but the herb stats are the ones touted by the FDA etc. Naaaaaaaaaaa, I'll take the chance of a couple of deaths and keep my freedoms. And that's speaking from my Doctor hat and my Patriot hat worn synonymously. These hats are not antipathetic. Love, Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 According to the Vital Statistics for the year 2001, the American Medical System was the leading cause of death and injury. 2001 Causes of deaths: from the vital statistics: iatrogenic 783,936 heart disease 699,697 cancer 553,251 stroke 163,538 accidents 101,537 from www.drugwarfacts.org: tobacco 430,700 (cigarette smoking remains the leading preventable cause of death) alcohol 110,640 suicide 30,575 homicide 18,272 NSAIDs 7,600 (aspirin, ibuprofen, acetominifen, naproxen, etc.) food poisoning 5,000 (approx) and now.....drumroll.................. dietary supplements 7 (6 from ABUSE of ephedra, and 1 from ABUSE of Kava Kava) There have been less than 5 per year AVERAGE over the past 25 years . . . due mainly to intentional abuse (Guess they got their number "100" by adding up all the deaths in the past 25+ years) Lets see now...46 people die EVERY DAY from aspirin alone. (Source, Journal of the American Medical Association) So, are herbal suplements safe? windflower "Dr. Ian Shillington" <Dr.IanShillington wrote: I understand hon, but the greatest "out-point" in the news article is the "dropped time". 100 people since "when"??????? This could be over a 2 year period or over 20 to 50 years . . . "They" left this very important piece of the puzzle out of the equation (typical for the pharmaceuticals when they're trying to sell us a bull of goods). Even though Ephedra is a powerful herb, you really have to go out of your way to do any serious damage with it. I mean, you really have to "try" to do yourself in with it. Way more than a 100 people die each year just from colds. You have to put this in its proper perspective. People don't use sugar correctly either. They don't use "meat" correctly. People abuse pharmaceuticals way more than herbals but the herb stats are the ones touted by the FDA etc. Naaaaaaaaaaa, I'll take the chance of a couple of deaths and keep my freedoms. And that's speaking from my Doctor hat and my Patriot hat worn synonymously. These hats are not antipathetic. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Tiffany Schaibley herbal remedies Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Ephedra Oh gosh, Im not giving into anything...I totally believe in the power of herbs. I just believe that this is a very powerful one and people are not using it correctly. The nurse in me tends to come out every once in awhile..."Dr. Ian Shillington" <Dr.IanShillington wrote: No way Tiff!!! Don't give in to this bull shit. Look at the figures below. We're talking about "as many as 100 deaths" which is 1/3,000,000ths of the American population or one in 3 million or .0000003% of the population. Over 250,000 people die each year from Iatrogenic diseases (Medical Doctor caused). Outlaw Medical Doctors - Not Ephedra!!! This is a Pharmaceutical / Medico con job. Just another nail in the Herbal Medicine coffin. Doc Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 <<< I also dont think that herbal medicine will be whipped out in 2-3 years...since alot of herbals can be grown and are found wild...thats just ridiculous...where thre is a will there is a way. >>>> I think this is a real possibility and the g'ment is doing it because the supplement industry has made it way too easy for the average person to pop a pill and get healthy or stay healthy. However, if these items are taken off the market or the potency is manipulated, the average person will not do what we all on this list will do i.e. put effort into growing them, etc. so we can still use them. The g'ment is truly in cahoots with the drug industry and it is definitely being affected by people getting and staying healthy. Take a look at this site and you will see how serious this is www.alliance-natural-health.org Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 Well said! And may I add another Fun Fact to the mix? They approved aspartame (aka NutraSweet), too. Get this: I took this straight from: http://www.cfs-recovery.org/aspartam.htm -------- " FDA has received over 10,000 complaints about aspartame compared to less than 4,000 complaints for all other consumer products combined! " -------- Interesting, huh? --Jen herbal remedies , <inner_peace@c...> wrote: > I read somewhere awhile back that Tylenol kills 100,000 people a yr.. I cant remember where that was. As long as the FDA approves it, it is ok if it kills people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 The problem is not that there are incorrect labels on the supplements. The problem is not that people die from their use. The problem is not that people die in hospitals. The problem is not that people die for an overdose of medication or wrong meds. The problem is not that people die from breathing water. The problem is not that people die from walking in front of a bus. The problem is not that people die from a boo-boo in O.R. No, the problem is not a problem at all. What all of this is, is choice. Each and every human being on the face of this planet has free will. That means we each get to choose for ourselves how to live and die. It is all choice PERIOD!!!!! We choose to go to the doctor and he carves a little too deep, oops!! We choose to be in the hospital because our body is failing, because of the choices we made in our diet and lifestyle, and the nurse gives us the wrong meds and we croak, oops. We choose to take ephedra, as many as we can swallow so we can go barrelling down the freeway in our eighteen wheeler dying of a massive heart attack, so we can get our load delivered on time. EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US WILL DIE BECAUSE OF OUR CHOICES. THE CHOICES WE EACH MADE IN LIFE. THERE ARE NO WRONG CHOICES EVER. THERE ARE ONLY VERY PROSURVIVAL CHOICES AND LESS THAN PROSURVIVAL CHOICES. WE REAP WHAT WE SOW BOTH GOOD AND NOT SO GOOD. THIS IS THE MECHANISIM BY WHICH WE HUMANS LEARN ABOUT MAKING THE VERY PROSURVIVAL CHOICES AND LIVING LONG, HEALTHY, HAPPY, PRODUCTIVE LIVES AND EXPERIENCING SERENITY OF BEINGNESS 24/7/365 DAYS A YEAR FOR THE NEXT 1000 YEARS OR SO? HOW LONG WILL A PHYSICAL BODY LAST IF IT IS WROUGHT IN PERFECTION AND ALL THE CHOICES ARE THE MOST PROSURVIVAL CHOICES?? This whole concept of banning by the government being wrong is wrong in itself. The government is doing what the government is doing because of choices each and every one of us has made. Out of ignorance we have allowed the world to be as it now is. Each and every one of us is responsible for this. We are all ignorant as there is not one of us, that I know of, that is perfect or has reached perfection yet. There have been many throughout history but I don't know of one alive today. There is no flaming, there is no wrong, there is no right. There is only personal responsibility for the condition we find ourselves in. No other person is responsible for the condition I find myself in and for me to allude to the fact that someone else might be responsible for my condition is irresponsible on my part and makes me ignorant of the laws governing this physical universe. There is no such thing as an accident nor is there such a thing as coincidence, from my point of view. There is only choice. No, it is not the herbs, the meds, the doctors, nurses, hospitals, cars, busses, trucks, guns, bullets, knives, clubs, or anything else. It is only personal choice made out of ignorance or knowledge. Unfortunately, our knowledge is usually born out of ignorance and lessons learned the hard way. But that too, was our choice. Peace and light, Don Quai - Tiffany Schaibley herbal remedies Wednesday, December 31, 2003 1:37 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Ephedra Yes I think it can be...companies are not putting the labels that need to be on it at truck stops and gas stations and people are taking them like tic tacs.. tiffany ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release 12/26/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Yeah, but the problem is that I don't have a choice whether to play or not. Doc PS. Not openly that is ;o) Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Don Quai herbal remedies Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:14 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Ephedra Codec is coming soon to the theatre near you! Don Quai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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