Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Hi Johnny Serrano Seed, With your previous condition Celiac, I would steer clear of dairy, meats, and carbs. Protein? You can get all the protein you need from vegetables and fruits. Sprouts of all kinds will be very beneficial. So will wheatgrass juice twice a day, at least, 30 mins. before your meals. You can also try Quinoa for your protein. It is the only non-grain cereal that is a complete protein, including the amino acid lysine which other grains do not have, except the other two non-grain cereals buckwheat and amaranth. Plenty of proteins from the plants kingdom and much more easily digested and utilized. Milk Thistle is one of the safest hepatics/cholagogues we have. Good for all liver/gallbladder complaints. Golden Seal is also very good for the liver. Do definitely add gentian to your routine. It will be very beneficial to your liver as well. Donny Habanero Seed - John Ybarra herbal_remedies Friday, December 26, 2003 8:26 PM [herbal remedies] liver damage and diet I've been reading up on diet as it pertains to liver damage, and am curious about some things I am reading. It appears that high protein intake can be damaging to an already damaged liver, causing a buildup of amonia. One article indicated that the best source of protein is milk. Of course I balk at that! Any ideas as to what sources of protein would be appropriate? It also appears that a high level of carbs is recommended. And an avoidance of any animal-based foods, which I've pretty much already done anyway. Any insights or suggestions would be appreciated. John ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release 12/26/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 John, This url does sell stuff but it is the information contained that you might want to read I would suggest making your own and not buying their product....http://www.vitaminretailer.com/VR/articles/MilkThistle.htm This diet is intended to protect the liver (in a person with liver disease) from overwork and enable it to function as efficiently as possible.Proteins assist with tissue repair, and prevention of fatty infiltration and damage to the liver cells. In people with severely damaged livers, the proteins cannot be properly metabolized and waste products (including ammonia) that are toxic to the body can build up and affect the brain. In this case, protein may be restricted.The increase in carbohydrate helps in providing for an adequate reserve of glycogen, which is the storage form of carbohydrate. Carbohydrates should be the major source of calories for people with liver disease.Anemia, peripheral neuropathy, and nutritional deficiencies may be treated with medication and vitamin supplementation.Ascites and edema may be worsened by salt intake because salt holds on to water in the body. Most people with live disease will need to have a sodium restricted diet. Food Sources The liver is involved with the metabolism of all foods. Therefore, proteins, carbohydrates, fats, vitamins, sodium (salt), and fluids may be affected by this diet. Side Effects Because liver disease can affect the absorption of all types of food, weight loss, anorexia and vitamin deficiency are major side effects. Prolonged protein restriction can cause deficiencies of certain amino acids. Recommendations The dietary recommendations may vary somewhat depending on how well the person's liver is functioning. It is very important to be under the care of a health professional otherwise malnutrition can lead to serious consequences. In general, recommendations include: high intake of carbohydrate foods. Carbohydrates should be the major source of calories in this diet. A moderate intake of fat (as prescribed by the health care provider). The increased carbohydrate and fat as recommended help in preserving the protein in the body and prevent excessive protein breakdown. approximately 1 gram of protein per kilogram of body weight. For a 70 kilogram man (154 pounds), 70 grams of protein translates into 8 ounces of cooked protein and two 8-ounce glasses of milk on a daily basis. This does not include the protein from starches and vegetables. People with a severely damaged liver may be on a strict protein restriction, and may be limited to only minimal quantities of essential amino acids (obtained through special nutritional supplements). vitamin supplementation as medically recommended, especially B-complex. sodium restriction if fluid retention is present. SAMPLE MENU breakfast 1 orange cooked oatmeal, with milk and sugar 1 slice of whole-wheat toast 2 teaspoons of margarine strawberry jam coffee or tea lunch 4 ounces of cooked lean fish, poultry, or meat a starch item (such as potatoes) a cooked vegetable salad 2 slices of whole-grain bread 2 teaspoons of margarine 1 tablespoon of jelly fresh fruit milk midafternoon snack milk with graham crackers dinner 4 ounces of cooked fish, poultry, or meat starch item (such as potatoes) a cooked vegetable salad 2 whole-grain rolls 2 tablespoons of margarine fresh fruit or dessert 8 ounces of milk evening snack high protein milk (milk with non-fat dry milk added) Usually, there are no cautions against specific foods. However, many people are unable to tolerate strongly flavored vegetables, high-fat foods, fried foods, chocolate, nuts, and foods that have a lot of seasoning. John Ybarra <deuteronomy2929 wrote: I've been reading up on diet as it pertains to liver damage, and am curious about some things I am reading. Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Hey, Donny, I completely forgot about Quinoa! I'll pick some up this weekend. If I remember right, it makes a great "poridge". I'm doing the sprouts every day, always keep some going, and eating all raw organic fruits and veggies, plus fruit and veggie juice. I never thought of golden seal. I'll check it out, and probably add it to my daily intake. How much milk thistle would you recommend, and in what form? JohnDon Quai <mysticalherbalist wrote: Hi Johnny Serrano Seed, With your previous condition Celiac, I would steer clear of dairy, meats, and carbs. Protein? You can get all the protein you need from vegetables and fruits. Sprouts of all kinds will be very beneficial. So will wheatgrass juice twice a day, at least, 30 mins. before your meals. You can also try Quinoa for your protein. It is the only non-grain cereal that is a complete protein, including the amino acid lysine which other grains do not have, except the other two non-grain cereals buckwheat and amaranth. Plenty of proteins from the plants kingdom and much more easily digested and utilized. Milk Thistle is one of the safest hepatics/cholagogues we have. Good for all liver/gallbladder complaints. Golden Seal is also very good for the liver. Do definitely add gentian to your routine. It will be very beneficial to your liver as well. Donny Habanero Seed Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Some good information. Thanks, Suzi. Here's another question. Should I continue with my basics, the Total Tonic and Panther Piss? JohnSuzanne <suziesgoats wrote: John, This url does sell stuff but it is the information contained that you might want to read I would suggest making your own and not buying their product....http://www.vitaminretailer.com/VR/articles/MilkThistle.htm Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2003 Report Share Posted December 27, 2003 Hi Johhny. You can take your Milk Thistle anyway you want. You can pour a cup of boiliing water onto 1 teaspoonful of the dried herb and allow it to steep for 10 - 15 minutes. Drink three times a day. You can make a tincture out of it take 1 - 2 ml of the tincture three times a day. You can cap up the herb and take 2 - 3 caps three times a day or you can just put it into a teaspoon and take it with some water or juice three times a day. All this is t.i.d. or as needed. (t.i.d. means three times a day). K??? HTH ya, Donny - John Ybarra herbal remedies Friday, December 26, 2003 11:17 PM Re: [herbal remedies] liver damage and diet Hey, Donny, I completely forgot about Quinoa! I'll pick some up this weekend. If I remember right, it makes a great "poridge". I'm doing the sprouts every day, always keep some going, and eating all raw organic fruits and veggies, plus fruit and veggie juice. I never thought of golden seal. I'll check it out, and probably add it to my daily intake. How much milk thistle would you recommend, and in what form? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release 12/26/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2003 Report Share Posted December 27, 2003 Hey Johnny, I don't know about the orange peel but Licorice root has an uncanny ability to make the other herbs it is blended in with work much better. Kind of boosts their efficiency. Okay orange peel is used to treat coughs, colds, anorexia and malignant breast sores according to Chinese medicine and this is what it is used for. It is considered to be cooling. The sweet varieties increase bronchial secretions and the sour promote expectoration. They also quench thirst. HTH, Don Quai - John Ybarra herbal remedies Saturday, December 27, 2003 5:57 PM Re: [herbal remedies] liver damage and diet Hey Donny, I'll be picking up some today, and add a teaspoon-per-cup to my daily intake of my other liver-aiding tea. What about licorice and orance peel. My herbalist mixes it in her special blend of liver tea, but I can't find out any information on how it would help the liver. I'll ask her today. John ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release 12/26/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2003 Report Share Posted December 27, 2003 Hey, Don... regarding the licorice root... which do you recomend in a concoction such as john might use... the DGL or just the powdered root or tincture? i have some capsuls of licorice root but read that if it hasn't been D G'd that it can have some bad side effects... i take the dgl but wonder under what circumsances would you think i could use the other. I hate to have a bottle of stuff i can't use! <grin>love... grany lee - Don Quai herbal remedies Saturday, December 27, 2003 2:55 PM Re: [herbal remedies] liver damage and diet Hey Johnny, I don't know about the orange peel but Licorice root has an uncanny ability to make the other herbs it is blended in with work much better. Kind of boosts their efficiency. Okay orange peel is used to treat coughs, colds, anorexia and malignant breast sores according to Chinese medicine and this is what it is used for. It is considered to be cooling. The sweet varieties increase bronchial secretions and the sour promote expectoration. They also quench thirst. HTH, Don Quai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 John.. here is what i got off the net (just one of several) i always try to list the source, but i don't seem to have listed it for some reason: Deglycyrrhizinated (DGL) licorice Many antacid or ulcer medications cause the body to inhibit (limit) the formation of acid in the stomach. We have found that this practice can lead to an acid/alkaline 'roller-coaster', leading to chronic antacid use and potentially causing greater digestive problems and body chemistry imbalances. Rather than prevent the release of acid, licorice stimulates the formation and production of protective mucous-secreting cells in the stomach, thereby preventing ulcer formation. Licorice also improves the blood-circulation in the intestinal tract and increases the life-span of intestinal cells. BUT... One chemical in licorice, carboxenoxolone cimetidine, is associated with numerous side effects including edema (fluid retention, swelling), high blood pressure, and lowered potassium levels. Scientists figured out how to remove the carboxenoxolone cimetidine from licorice, creating Deglycyrrhizinated (DGL) licorice. DGL is a very effective, natural anti-ulcer ingredient that has no known side effects. Numerous clinical studies have shown DGL licorice to be a very effective anti-ulcer herbal compound, especially for gastric (stomach) and duodenal (small intestine) ulcers. Gastric ulcers are commonly caused by the overuse of aspirin, alcoholic beverages, or non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAID's). In other clinical studies comparing DGL to prescription and over-the-counter antacids, results showed that double the number of people using DGL completely healed their ulcers within six weeks, and there were fewer relapses in the group taking DGL. References: A. Rees, W.D.W., Rhodes, J., Wright, J.E., et al., "Effect of deglycyrrhizinate liquorice on gastric mucosal damage by aspirin', Scand. J. Gastroent., 1979, 14, pp.605-7. B. Turpie, A.G., Runcie, J. and Thompson, T.J., 'Clinical trial of deglycyrrhinated liquorice in gastric ulcer', Gut, 1969, 10, pp.299-303. C. Tewari, S.N. and Wilson, A.K., "Deglycyrrhinated liquorice in duodenal ulcer', Practitioner, 1972, 210, pp.820-5. D. Kassir, Z.A., 'Endoscopic controlled trial of four drug regimens in the treatment of chronic duodenal ulceration', Irish Med. J., 1985, 78, pp. 153-6. Source: A-D. Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine, Michael T. Murray, N.D., and Joseph Pizzorno, N.D., Prima Publishing, 1991, Pages 522-3. ~~~~~~~~ hope tis helps love... grany lee---- Original Message ----- John Ybarra herbal remedies Saturday, December 27, 2003 7:10 PM Re: [herbal remedies] liver damage and diet Okay, what's DGL? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 One should steer clear of any carbs that do not come from the fruits and vegetables, sprouted nut-grains-seeds that they happen to be eating at any given time. Do stay away from store bought carbs wrapped in a can or box. Don Quai - supervixen08 herbal remedies Sunday, December 28, 2003 8:21 AM [herbal remedies] Re: liver damage and diet Hey all Wouldn't some carbs be different than others? I do know that plenty of plant foods do have many complex carbs in them, and a person does need carbs as a substantial part of the diet...though I do shun any simple or refined carbs, as they do more harm than good. Am I right?herbal remedies , "Don Quai" <mysticalherbalist> wrote:> Hi Johnny Serrano Seed,> > With your previous condition Celiac, I would steer clear of dairy, meats,> and carbs.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Hi Granny, Here is some info on licorice. As the glycrrhizin that is a component of licorice (but not DGL) can affect the regulation of such hormones as cortisol, aldosterone and progesterone, it may produce a variety of serious side effects, including high blood pressure, water retention and cessation of menstruation in people with certain health histories. Licorice should not be used for longer than four to six weeks without medical supervision, and should be avoided by people who have high blood pressure, liver disorders, severe kidney insufficiency and those who use certain diuretic medications. Licorice should also be avoided during pregnancy. So John should use the DGL as it does not contain the glycrrhizin. However, if he could use the regular licorice if he were to use his head and not over do it. It doesn't take much licorice to get the needed effects. Remember that licorice has been used for thousands of years without removing the DGL. Don Quai - leo herbal remedies Saturday, December 27, 2003 11:11 PM Re: [herbal remedies] liver damage and diet Hey, Don... regarding the licorice root... which do you recomend in a concoction such as john might use... the DGL or just the powdered root or tincture? i have some capsuls of licorice root but read that if it hasn't been D G'd that it can have some bad side effects... i take the dgl but wonder under what circumsances would you think i could use the other. I hate to have a bottle of stuff i can't use! <grin>love... grany lee ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release 12/26/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Deglycrrhized licorice that has had the glycrrhizine removed which is the main active constituent of licorice. Don - John Ybarra herbal remedies Sunday, December 28, 2003 2:10 AM Re: [herbal remedies] liver damage and diet Okay, what's DGL? Johnleo <leo wrote: Hey, Don... regarding the licorice root... which do you recomend in a concoction such as john might use... the DGL or just the powdered root or tincture? i have some capsuls of licorice root but read that if it hasn't been D G'd that it can have some bad side effects... i take the dgl but wonder under what circumsances would you think i could use the other. I hate to have a bottle of stuff i can't use! <grin>love... grany lee Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 I would like to put in my two cents here. I use Deglycyrrhizinated (DGL) licorice very often. It is highly effective. I keep a bottle near, whenever my ulcer acts up, I just take a couple. It calms the ulcer down immediately. I have never had any side effects from it. And, have never had to take any other form of medicine for my ulcer. (Which, by the way, was caused by a dentist who gave me a medication I didn't need and never should have had.) Anyway, hope some personal experience helps on this one. Carrie Ann Upperpoet " No great artist ever sees things as they really are. If he did, he would cease to be an artist. " -Oscar Wilde _______________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 yes it is good. i have been uing it for over a year if my memory srves me, nd it has kept the reflux down wonderfully, along with acidophilus and enzymes. i swear by it!... and i'm not one to swear!<grin> love.. granny lee- Carrie Watson I would like to put in my two cents here. I use Deglycyrrhizinated (DGL) licorice very often. It is highly effective. I keep a bottle near, whenever my ulcer acts up, I just take a couple. It calms the ulcer down immediately. I have never had any side effects from it. And, have never had to take any other form of medicine for my ulcer. (Which, by the way, was caused by a dentist who gave me a medication I didn't need and never should have had.) Anyway, hope some personal experience helps on this one.Carrie AnnUpperpoet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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