Guest guest Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 Hi Brigitte, Glad to hear things are moving again! You're done with husband #1!! On to #2!! At least it says in the write-up that constipation can occur, so you knew that it wasn't completely unnatural during the juice fast. I was very lethargic the first day and a half. Felt some definite signs of healing the first day too - areas of discomfort in my body. Those are gone now. Woke up this morning with a sensation of energy just coarsing through me! I really feel like I'm alive and have lots of energy today! I think this juice fast is really a good follow up to the body cleanse for me! I'm going to up my juice intake today, though, as Don suggests. My teeth are getting very lonely - think I've abandoned them. I miss chewing! Brigitte, if you've emailed me privately, I apologize for not answering. I've been unable to get onto that email system. I'm checking the group posts from a different system here... sorry! OK, let's keep going! You just have 2 husbands, I mean, days left!! Much love, Kelli herbal remedies , " Bridge " <bbaas@s...> wrote: > Hello Kelli, > > I am doing fine, my blood sugar level is a little high so I still have > to take the medication for it and I don't know what happened yesterday > but all of a sudden everything seemed to block and I stayed like that > for the rest of the day. Bladder and bowel: no action whatsoever. > Couldn't drink more since everything stayed in me and I was looking like > I was 9 months pregnant this lasted till this morning (didn't even get > up during the night and normally I have to at least two or three times a > night) and now.. Well.. Can't stay far from the bathroom once again. I > am sipping my prune juice this morning and my stomack is back to normal > again. > > I think that my first husband didn't want to go down the drain.. 15 > years of abuse is a lot to remove from your system..LOL Well the next > one won't be so hard to get rid of (Ihope)..LOL > > Have a great day! > Avec Amour, > Brigitte > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 Well Kelli, Karen Carpenter didn't take very good care of herself. She had this strange fixation on her being too fat. Realistically though, you can do this for the rest of your life if you so choose. You will not die unless of course you believe you will. Your body will only lose as much weight as it needs to in order to get to its optimum weight. You are not starving yourself by drinking only juices. Man in his perfect state, which I am not at yet and don't know anyone who is but there are some who come really close, should not need to eat hardly anything at all in order to survive and be healthy and vibrant. Sun, air, and water should be all we need, depending of course on whether our bodies are perfectly cleansed and healthy. This is only my belief though and is not shared by many. There have been many people throughout history who did not eat and did not need to eat and they lived very long and productive lives. Yes it is possible and is a goal worth attaining in my view. However, I have a lot of work to do before I get there. Shoot, I am not even 100% raw yet. But I digress or am wandering out into left field somewhere. Keep a positive mind and outlook. Do not allow negative thoughts and emotions to enter into your space and you will have no problems whatsoever. Love yourself for who you are and strive to be the best you can be for yourself first. Juice away, you will need it as the years go by. Out in left field somewhere, Don Quai - Kelli Bever herbal remedies Friday, November 28, 2003 8:01 PM [herbal remedies] Re: juice fast - was: CNS questions OK, a bit of a serious question here. How far CAN you go withthis juice fast thing before it starts becoming too "KarenCarpenter"? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release 11/27/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 In a message dated 11/29/2003 7:19:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, kelli writes: but what is your opinion on sleep? I think it's a bloody waste of time and would love to gain an extra 6-7 hours in each day! Do you have any good news for me there? Im not Don but sleep is needed. There was a recent study I was hearing about that said people who didnt get enough sleep for long years at a time lowered their lifetime DRAMATICALLY, about the same as smoking. It was a reputable study but I am not sure now on the right name as I didnt read it, just was hearing it on the radio or something like that. Sleep is needed for health. But yes, it would be nice to get those hours of the day back ;p The thing is, different amounts of sleep are needing for different people. Sigh. So too much sleep can equal feeling more tired. Things get so complicated sometimes lol Erin Tony Montana: Me, I want what's coming to me. Manny: Oh, well what's coming to you? Tony Montana: The world, Chico, and everything in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 Hi Kelli, You want to go no sleep? No problemo. First, totally purify your body and cleanse it till it is pristine clean. Go totally raw and I mean only fresh juicy fruits and green leafy veggies. Only drink fresh organic fruit juices, green leafy veggie juices and distilled water with organic lemon added. Then exercise your body thoroughly, skin brush twice a day, get lots of fresh air, lots of sunshine all over your body, and be in nature as much as possible without the addition of society and you will probably need less than 1 hour of sleep per day. Eating and sleeping are both a huge waste of time. There is no reason for either of them other than we choose to follow this road. So we can choose to follow the other road and be vibrantly health, wealthy and incredibly wise. You will have to make sure your body is a pure as possible I believe. In time you will have so much energy you won't need sleep. A simple hour of resting will be enough to recharge you. If you don't eat and have no need to eat you won't wear your body out through toxins, wasting energy digesting etc, etc, etc. My two thoughts or maybe three. Don Quai - Kelli Bever herbal remedies Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:18 AM [herbal remedies] Re: juice fast - was: CNS questions Hi Don,Thank you very much for your wanderings, left field and all! ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release 11/27/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 You know, these are areas where the information that I have - old and new - don't seem to jive very well, and that's what I'm struggling with as well. For example, I've heard all the things you have about juices and fasts, etc. I really felt great on the juice fast this past weekend, though. In fact, I really wasn't hungry at all yesterday and pretty much just juiced another day. The interesting thing about this is that I also started needing less sleep than normal after the first couple days on the juice fast. (The first couple days I was really tired. I could also feel my body going through some healing.) I don't know what all this means. I'm still trying to figure it out. I don't take "studies" or what doctors say or "what everyone knows" at face value anymore. I've found that too often there is some other agenda, or assumptions based on false information as the premise to the whole thing, and that makes the information unworkable. The goal that I started on this journey with was my belief that my body, with the proper care and feeding, should be healthy and running in good order without supplements or medicines to keep anything functioning. It's interesting to me that the more I follow this down the line, with the cleanses, etc, the more I believe that the generally accepted information in regards to health, nutrition, sleep, etc, is based on a "lowest common denominator" in regards to health. For example, ideas like the food pyramid are well accepted because that's what most people eat. (Looks good on the side of a cereal box.) "Everyone" needs 8 hrs sleep because that's what most people feel better getting. What would the generally accepted ideas be in regards to nutrition and sleep, however, if the health level of everyone was much, much higher? Do we even know what we're fully capable of if in ultimate health? Anyway....gosh I can sure go on! Thanks for listening to me "think out loud!" :)Kelli supervixen08 [supervixen08] Monday, December 01, 2003 8:11 AMherbal remedies Subject: [herbal remedies] Re: juice fast - was: CNS questionsFWIW, I also heard of another study (in a textbook I have somewhere) done on sleep deprivation. They didn't talk about the results a whole lot, they only said that 1) the experiment had to be discontinued and 2) they'll probably not be doing another like it anytime soon because the effects of sleeplessness (even for a little under a week) were too drastic.(I'm not a doctor--yet! -- but I also think that a no-food diet is too extreme. Fruits contain lots of sugar and if they're juiced, from what I've heard, all of the fiber is removed, and I think this might do nasty things to blood sugar levels and thus the pancreas, adrenals, etc. From what I've read, those kinds of fasts and cleanses, while supposed to be done on a regular periodic basis, are not supposed to be done for a very extended period of time.) Any docs want to shed more light? Please correct me if I'm in error anywhere!herbal remedies , ErinJC23@a... wrote:> In a message dated 11/29/2003 7:19:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, > kelli@c... writes:> > Im not Don but sleep is needed. There was a recent study I was hearing about > that said people who didnt get enough sleep for long years at a time lowered > their lifetime DRAMATICALLY, about the same as smoking. It was a reputable > study but I am not sure now on the right name as I didnt read it, just was hearing > it on the radio or something like that. Sleep is needed for health. But yes, > it would be nice to get those hours of the day back ;p The thing is, > different amounts of sleep are needing for different people. Sigh. So too much sleep > can equal feeling more tired.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Hi Kelli, All I can say is whether you believe you need sleep or whether you believe you don't need sleep, you are right. Whether you believe you need to eat food or whether you believe you don't need to eat food you are right. We each create our own realities every second of every day constantly. What you believe to be true will be true for you! We all get to choose our own realities and how they will appear to us. Don Quai reading the signpost up ahead in the Twilight Zone!! Is that Rod Serling I hear??? We must all find the truth for ourselves. We cannot accept anothers truth as being our own for it is not our truth. Everything is relative to ones point of view. Okay, Ima gonna quit now. - Kelli Bever herbal remedies Monday, December 01, 2003 6:51 PM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: juice fast - was: CNS questions You know, these are areas where the information that I have - old and new - don't seem to jive very well, and that's what I'm struggling with as well. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release 11/27/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Hi Kelli, I don't mean to be rude but couldn't help but add in my two cents worth on this. You might be able to convince your daughter to give up junk food but you will most likely turn her the other way. Like Doc says, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. The best way to convince your daughter is by being the change you wish to see in her. Let her see the changes and work out the information on her own. She will, eventually, come to the realization that it is a much healthier way of living. But she has to do it herself in her own way in her own time, as we all must do. HTH, Don Quai - Kelli Bever herbal remedies Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:25 AM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: juice fast - was: CNS questions I really liked your post about giving up the junk food! I can really relate to that! If you figure out how to really convince an offspring that it's the right thing to do, though, please let me know how! Kelli ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release 11/27/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Hi Don, I don't think it's possible for you to be rude! I appreciate your advice on my daughter. Fortunately, she and I have a very strong connection and can talk about anything! I am able to have quite mature conversations with her, talking with her about things, explaining things, etc, and she really can reason with it. When she was much younger, I used more of the "because it's healthier" or other such reasons with her and she'd do it. Now that she's 9 yrs old, I give her the data and pretty much let her make up her mind. There are certain family rules we have - I buy organic and don't buy junk food because I won't waste my money on it. Since she does chores to earn her own money, she is welcome to spend it on anything she likes, and sometimes that includes candy, but it's her decision. (I wouldn't want anyone telling me what to spend my money on!) I insist that she eat a good meal before eating the candy, and often by that time, she forgets she has the candy! I also insist that she get enough sleep. I don't limit it by hours, but have criteria that I base her bedtime on - she has to be able to wake up easily in the morning and not be tired through the day. If she can go to bed at midnight and still achieve that, fine! Usually it's 9:00pm though! When I did the body cleanse, my daughter didn't like it at all. She was VERY scared for my health. She thought that eating only raw fruits and veges and taking tinctures and teas was going to kill me. This is just my daughter. She is very attached to me. I am not allowed to pretend to faint or "die of fright" on Halloween - it sends her straight into severe grief and sobs. The healing episodes I went through during the cleanse scared her. It was proof in her mind that the cleanse was bad for me. Now that it's been a while, though, and she can see how much healthier I am and she hears other people comment on it all the time, she tells me that she's glad I did it and it really was good. So, I guess the point of all my rambling is that my philosophy is that I give her the data but pretty much let her make up her own mind. She'll decide to "drink" when she's ready! It's just very hard as a mom, however, to watch her do things I know are not good for herself, and just let her do it. I know I have to - the first sign I had to "let go" were the contractions! OK, thanks again Don!! Kelli Don Quai [mysticalherbalist] Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:00 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: juice fast - was: CNS questions Hi Kelli, I don't mean to be rude but couldn't help but add in my two cents worth on this. You might be able to convince your daughter to give up junk food but you will most likely turn her the other way. Like Doc says, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. The best way to convince your daughter is by being the change you wish to see in her. Let her see the changes and work out the information on her own. She will, eventually, come to the realization that it is a much healthier way of living. But she has to do it herself in her own way in her own time, as we all must do. HTH, Don Quai - Kelli Bever herbal remedies Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:25 AM RE: [herbal remedies] Re: juice fast - was: CNS questions I really liked your post about giving up the junk food! I can really relate to that! If you figure out how to really convince an offspring that it's the right thing to do, though, please let me know how! Kelli ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release 11/27/03Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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