sprouted grains and gluten intolerance question

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Hi Kelli,

 

Once that grain is sprouted it is no longer a grain but a living plant. If you now take these living plants and dry them very carefully then grind them into flour you will have what is known as sprouted flour. I do not believe that you have to wait until the grain actually sprouts to do this. Just soaking your grains for 12 hours, draining and leaving to sprout for another 24 will be sufficient. Once they are dried (sun dried best but dried over very low heat is okay) they can then be ground into flour and used just like any other flour.

 

The gluten is the storehouse of nutrients that the 'seed' needs for sprouting. So sprouting the grains, seeds, nuts etc should not cause you or your daughter any problems.

 

HTH,

 

Don Quai

 

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Kelli Bever

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Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:56 AM

[herbal remedies] sprouted grains and gluten intolerance question

 

 

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Yes and no, actually it is showing up a toxic problem within your body that needs to be addressed. Either by diet or cleansing or both. I know everyone believes in food allergies. Personally, and I love going out on limbs, I don't think there is any such thing. I believe that what we call food allergies is just a toxic condition within the body. Either that or your body is trying to tell you that what you are eating is poisonous to your body.

 

As nobody, at least nobody I know of, has a perfectly clean body it is quite difficult to actually test this theory. Another 5 years or so and I should be there. Got a long way to go though. All medical data on files anywhere in the world is based on polluted, toxic bodies. This is what we call normal. No wonder the medical and pharmaceutical cartel are making out like bandits. We all need to learn to listen to what our bodies are telling us. Whether it is through muscle testing, saliva testing, personal testing or what. Then we all need to seriously clean house and change not only our diets but our lifestyles as well, if this applies to any of us that is.

 

Sorry, I guess I got kind of rambly here. Yes you could call it a food allergy. Gluten intolerance is saying the same thing. Either way, it is toxic to your body in your bodies present condition.

 

Don Quai

 

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Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:48 PM

RE: [herbal remedies] sprouted grains and gluten intolerance question

 

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Ah, now that makes sense to me! Thanks Don!

 

I haven't been retested in 3 1/2 yrs, and I just did the total body cleanse this

past Aug. I'm sure that when I was tested before, my poor body was reacting,

as best it could, to anything I was giving it! They just happened to be looking

for the gluten reaction!

 

The first time I heard the sprouted grain data on Doc's tape, it made SOOO much

sense to me, but I didn't know how to reconcile the information with what I'd

previously been told about gluten. Now I can think with this, which is important

because I have to explain it to my daughter so that she can make an informed

choice too.

 

Thanks!!

Kelli

 

 

 

Don Quai [mysticalherbalist] Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:40 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] sprouted grains and gluten intolerance question

Yes and no, actually it is showing up a toxic problem within your body that needs to be addressed. Either by diet or cleansing or both. I know everyone believes in food allergies. Personally, and I love going out on limbs, I don't think there is any such thing. I believe that what we call food allergies is just a toxic condition within the body. Either that or your body is trying to tell you that what you are eating is poisonous to your body.

 

As nobody, at least nobody I know of, has a perfectly clean body it is quite difficult to actually test this theory. Another 5 years or so and I should be there. Got a long way to go though. All medical data on files anywhere in the world is based on polluted, toxic bodies. This is what we call normal. No wonder the medical and pharmaceutical cartel are making out like bandits. We all need to learn to listen to what our bodies are telling us. Whether it is through muscle testing, saliva testing, personal testing or what. Then we all need to seriously clean house and change not only our diets but our lifestyles as well, if this applies to any of us that is.

 

Sorry, I guess I got kind of rambly here. Yes you could call it a food allergy. Gluten intolerance is saying the same thing. Either way, it is toxic to your body in your bodies present condition.

 

Don Quai

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Hi Kelli. I have been diagnosed with Celiac's Disease. It is a condition brought about, among other things, by "gluten intolerance". I am allergic to it. It has caused the celia of my small intestines to be all but destroyed. It took time to happen, but I wasn't diagnosed until a couple of years ago, and have the "intolerance" since I was a child (I am 41 now). I have had surgery to help with some of the more difficult symptoms, and have had to modify my lifestyle drastically, but for the better.

 

If your child is gluten intolerant, please don't hesitate to modify whatever you need to in order to prevent it from becoming something worse in the future. She may not like it at first, but the end results will be worth it.

 

I have found that, for myself, sprouted grains are tolerable, as long as taken in moderation. I LOVE sprouted Winter Wheat and Red Wheat, with a little alfafa mixed in!! Makes a great mid-day snack, very sweet and chewy.

 

Keep in mind that if the damage has been done to the small intestines already, then milk is a definite no-no! Stay away from all milk products. From my readings, it appears as if there is something in milk that our small intestines "re-create" into something useful, but if our intestines are compromised, then the enzyme (?) is not changed, and is a psychotopic (?), and not healthy at all. I will dig out my papers, and post a better relating of this later.

 

Just some thoughts off the top of my head.

 

JohnKelli Bever <kelli wrote:

Hi there,I'm hoping that some of you out there may be able topoint me at some data on the subject of "gluten intolerance"and the possible relation to enzyme inhibitors in unsproutedgrains. First, a little background of my question...3 1/2 yrs ago my daughter and I were diagnosed as "glutenintolerant" by our natural health care practitioner via asaliva test. Going off gluten at that time made a HUGE difference for me in my digestion - all grumbling, gasypains disappeard, and I had thought they were NORMAL fordigestion! Now that I've got the data from Doc's tape onenzyme inhibitors, I'm wondering if my situation was really anything to do with gluten, or if it was reallythe enzyme inhibitors.I've asked my practitioner about the saliva test, and thenew blood test that they use, and both only test for

anantibody reaction to the gluten protein. This doesn'texplain their theory they tell the "gluten intolerant"which is that the body's reaction to the undigested proteinactually causes the stripping of the digestive lining sothat the silia (sp?) which produce the digestive enzymesare destroyed, opening the body up to all sorts of harmfulside effects (parasites, candida, etc). It seems to methat this environment could also be created by enzymeinhibitors.I have been eating the occasional sprouted grain breadover the last couple months and do not experience any ofthe gasy digestion pains that I used to on the grain/carbodiet I used to have.Anyway, I am curious if even sprouted grains are reallyan extreme hazard for me and my daughter. I can go eitherway on this, diet-wise, but she's only 9 and I'd like togently steer her in the right direction without changingtracks too many times.Do any of you

wonderful people know anything about thisor can you point me at any web sites/books/etc for informationon this??Thanks and sorry this is such a long post!!KelliFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Hi John,

 

Thank you very much for this data. I had heard or Celiac's Disease before, but

only know it to be on the very serious side of the gluten intolerance spectrum.

 

I'm curious what your symptoms were and how you got diagnosed.

 

I actually didn't really have anything that I would have called a "symptom". I had

just been going to a practitioner that is "known" for diagnosing people with

gluten intolerance. I have friends that have stated they will never go there because

they love eating bread!

 

Going off bread definitely did change the "rumbly" stomach, but it was never

severe and I didn't have any other digestive problems. In fact, when the

practitioner suggested that I take this test, I thought she was crazy. I have

always had a stomach of steel. I especially love hot and spicy food - it's not

spicy enough unless it makes me sweat! And I've never had heartburn or

indigestion, even when 8 or 9 months pregnant!

 

Since doing the body cleanse, I can really tell what my body reacts to and

doesn't like. The things I've made with sprouted grain seem to be fine, although

I do very little of that anyway. (I'm 41 as well, by the way. As of last Tuesday!)

 

My daughter's initial symptom was a severe candida overgrowth. Going

non-gluten handled that. She doesn't have any digestive issues, though.

Never complains about stomach aches or anything like that. (Although

she does complain about the occasional headache, which is odd to me.

I never get headaches and don't really know what to do for her. Can't

talk her into the body cleanse...

 

I'm thinking that for both her and I we should be OK with sprouted grains.

It's more important for her - she's 9 yrs old and would DIE if she didn't

get the occassional pizza!

 

 

Kelli

 

 

John Ybarra [deuteronomy2929] Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:46 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] sprouted grains and gluten intolerance question

Hi Kelli. I have been diagnosed with Celiac's Disease. It is a condition brought about, among other things, by "gluten intolerance". I am allergic to it. It has caused the celia of my small intestines to be all but destroyed. It took time to happen, but I wasn't diagnosed until a couple of years ago, and have the "intolerance" since I was a child (I am 41 now). I have had surgery to help with some of the more difficult symptoms, and have had to modify my lifestyle drastically, but for the better.

 

If your child is gluten intolerant, please don't hesitate to modify whatever you need to in order to prevent it from becoming something worse in the future. She may not like it at first, but the end results will be worth it.

 

I have found that, for myself, sprouted grains are tolerable, as long as taken in moderation. I LOVE sprouted Winter Wheat and Red Wheat, with a little alfafa mixed in!! Makes a great mid-day snack, very sweet and chewy.

 

Keep in mind that if the damage has been done to the small intestines already, then milk is a definite no-no! Stay away from all milk products. From my readings, it appears as if there is something in milk that our small intestines "re-create" into something useful, but if our intestines are compromised, then the enzyme (?) is not changed, and is a psychotopic (?), and not healthy at all. I will dig out my papers, and post a better relating of this later.

 

Just some thoughts off the top of my head.

 

John

[Guest guest]

<<<< I know everyone believes in food allergies.

Personally, and I love going out on limbs, I don't think

there is any such thing. I believe that what we call food

allergies is just a toxic condition within the body. Either

that or your body is trying to tell you that what you are

eating is poisonous to your body .>>>>>

 

I agree totally with this. So many of my patients that I've

taken care of for years will come in and 'suddenly' they

have a food/environment allergy. Ahem, I say to them: is

this the same food and air you've been breathing for the

past 50+ (usually when it starts, although over the past

decade, it's starting in the 30 and 40 years olds)

years??????????? I then ask them if those living with them

have developed the same problem...no, is the usual answer.

I then try to explain to them that the 30 to 80 or more

pounds they've gained over the two decades I've known them

have clogged up their liver and they need to clean it out.

" Huh? " they say and that's the beginning of their learning

what health is really about. I'd say 80% don't want to do

the work to get healthy and jump on the drug train.

 

Oh, well, I tried :-)

 

BTW, I love 'going out on the limb', too. A lot of the

stuff I've said out thar on that limb has been proven to be

true!!! Soooo much of it is just ol' fashioned common

sense.

 

Anna, Chiropractor since 1976

[Guest guest]

Hi Leah,

 

It is called mental conditioning or brain washing. Basically we are all eating a really sucky diet and slowly killing our bodies. Well the medical/pharmaceutical cartels are capitalizing on this by coming up with all these new dis-eases and body problems. You see something enough times you are going to start to believe in it even if a little bit. Therefore, all the advertising by humungopharmatel pays off for them and the MD's. Shoot, nobody has acid indigestion anymore or heart burn. These now have really fancy names and some pretty purple pills that will make you feel really good really fast. This way you can go on eating your really sucky diet, killing your body and feel good about doing it cause you are not responsible. After all, if the pharmaceutical companies and medical establishment let on that you were the one who was responsible for your condition and only you can fix it then they wouldn't have much to do anymore would they.

 

Don Quai

 

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Leah

herbal remedies

Friday, November 07, 2003 12:42 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] sprouted grains and gluten intolerance question

 

Anna, This reply was nice to read and I agree! I have met so many peoplewith asthma and allergies! I just can't stand it! All of a sudden we allhave asthma, allergies or reflux what is the deal? It is really strange.Leah

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Wendy,

Here are two sites that may help you also.

 

http://www.glutenfree.com/faqs.htm

 

http://www.creatingheaven.net/eeproducts/eesfc/about_sprouted.html

 

"Wendy ." <rowherb wrote:

Betsy or anyone for that matter,Does anyone have a recipe on making sprouted flourbread? I would be interested.Wendy

 

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Hello!

 

May Don or someone else can answer another couple questions I have

about sprouting...

 

1) Should corn be sprouted? (Ie, does it contain enzyme inhibitors?)

 

2) I have been sprouting organic wild rice (I love it!) but have noticed that

not all the grains "break open" and show their white inside. Does this

mean that I'm not sprouting it right, or is that normal?

 

Thanks!

Kelli

 

 

Don Quai [mysticalherbalist] Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:00 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] sprouted grains and gluten intolerance question

Hi Kelli,

 

Once that grain is sprouted it is no longer a grain but a living plant. If you now take these living plants and dry them very carefully then grind them into flour you will have what is known as sprouted flour. I do not believe that you have to wait until the grain actually sprouts to do this. Just soaking your grains for 12 hours, draining and leaving to sprout for another 24 will be sufficient. Once they are dried (sun dried best but dried over very low heat is okay) they can then be ground into flour and used just like any other flour.

 

The gluten is the storehouse of nutrients that the 'seed' needs for sprouting. So sprouting the grains, seeds, nuts etc should not cause you or your daughter any problems.

 

HTH,

 

Don Quai

[Guest guest]

Kelli,

Corn can be sprouted... here is a great website on sprouting all kinds of seeds

http://www.sproutpeople.com/seed/corn.html

 

Sometimes all the seeds don't sprout..if you have soaked them all and the majority have sprouted you're not doing anything wrong... Rice takes about 8-12 hours soaking...

 

SuziKelli Bever <kelli wrote:

 

Hello!

 

May Don or someone else can answer another couple questions I have

about sprouting...

 

1) Should corn be sprouted? (Ie, does it contain enzyme inhibitors?)

 

2) I have been sprouting organic wild rice (I love it!) but have noticed that

not all the grains "break open" and show their white inside. Does this

mean that I'm not sprouting it right, or is that normal?

 

Thanks!

Kelli

 

 

Don Quai [mysticalherbalist] Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:00 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] sprouted grains and gluten intolerance question

Hi Kelli,

 

Once that grain is sprouted it is no longer a grain but a living plant. If you now take these living plants and dry them very carefully then grind them into flour you will have what is known as sprouted flour. I do not believe that you have to wait until the grain actually sprouts to do this. Just soaking your grains for 12 hours, draining and leaving to sprout for another 24 will be sufficient. Once they are dried (sun dried best but dried over very low heat is okay) they can then be ground into flour and used just like any other flour.

 

The gluten is the storehouse of nutrients that the 'seed' needs for sprouting. So sprouting the grains, seeds, nuts etc should not cause you or your daughter any problems.

 

HTH,

 

Don Quai

[Guest guest]

Hi Kelli,

 

All seeds contain enzyme inhibitors. This includes corn. As for your wild rice, don't worry if some of the grains do not pop open. As long as you soak them for 8 - 12 hours and then drain them and allow them to "sprout" for another 12 hours or so you will be alright. You don't have to let them "sprout" unless you wish sprouted rice. Otherwise, soaking them will deactivate the enzyme inhibitors and they should then be okay to eat.

 

Don Quai

 

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Kelli Bever

herbal remedies

Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:29 PM

RE: [herbal remedies] sprouted grains and gluten intolerance question

 

Hello!

 

May Don or someone else can answer another couple questions I have

about sprouting...

 

 

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