Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 HiJenny , AWESOME and good for you, too many think that it is non existing like they claim dyslexia does not exist, my brother is dyslexic...lol..go fig he? Well through it all I have learned a lot about my family and I but I don't have the time to sort through food s etcc....as some may have. So I just go with what works for me...I am a much happier person for it. All the best to you and your family. chris ---- Jenny Kernan 4/13/2007 6:09:54 PM Re: ADD/ADHD in 4 year olds? Hi Christine, I was diagnosed ADD/ADHD at 16 and then Bi-Polar 18 years ago. I have been the gamut of meds. I was taking 40 mg 2 times a day for ADD, the 20 of Mellaril at night so I could sleep, then start the vicious cycle over again in the morning as I was so groggy from the anti depressants, which also made me suicidal. I lost 30 lbs in 3 months. Girls in school would come up to me and ask how I got so skinny. I loved it. However it really messed up my metabolism and I have now struggled with bulimia (early adulthood) and rollercoaster weight all of my adult life. Then as an adult I was taken off ritalin, put on Prozac which worked well for about 12 years. Yes there is such thing as ADD/ADHD and it does make a difference of Night and Day when not treated. Bi-Polar only exasorbates the symptoms. Home environment, poor parenting skills, diet, preservatives, food colorings, refined flours and sugars, food allergies, allergies etc all contribute to making symptoms worse. lack of a good support system can also contribute. Today I am totally psych meds free for over year now. I use the SCIO device to balance my hormones, emotions, neurotransmitters and EEG/ECG waves. I still deal with the hyperactivity, but have learned to focus it rather than bounce off the walls. I have also changed my diet to something similar to the Feingold diet. Jenny Kernan --- christine DeMey <cdemey wrote: > Hi Jenny, > Thank you for sharing your experience, I get > very " hot " when I hear people > coming off with this " it does not exist " crud. I > firmly believe that too > many kids are being driven down this route, which is > sad because the ones > who really do need it get overlooked. I am > A.D.D./DEPRESSION, BI POLAR...I > am on meds for all of them and I can tell you that I > would not go back. It > makes a night and day difference in my life...I even > have a sense of humor > now...lol...I never would have laid money on > that...lol...it feels good. > Chris > > ---- > > Jenny Kernan > 4/9/2007 11:34:59 PM > > Re: ADD/ADHD in 4 year > olds? > > I agree with you Chris. I was diagnosed at age 16 > with > MBD...the predecessor for ADD/ADHD. I was failing in > school, had no social skills, couldn't concentrate, > couldn't sit still and no I was not lazy. > > The first day I was on Ritalin, my special education > teacher asks me when I'm going to go to my next > class. > I had been reading a book at the time. I told him it > wasn't time to go and he corrected me telling me I > had > been sitting still for over 2 hours! I was shocked! > I > had never in my life been able to do that. My grades > went up, my social life improved, I was able to > attend > regular high school classes and hold down 2 part > time > jobs. For the first time in my life math made sense. > > My mom quickly put my whole family on the feingold > diet and was able to control the ADD/ADHD in all 4 > siblings and my father. > > I am now the mother of 5 + 3 more and 6 of those 8 > are > ADD/ADHD or Autistic. Guess what we discovered? That > diet does benefit and help to control the symptoms. > We > don't medicate as we don't believe in > pharmaceuticals, > but we do use herbals and diet, and it works. Along > with regular EEG/ECG sessions on the SCIO. > > Jenny Kernan > > --- christine DeMey <cdemey wrote: > > > Well, with all due respect I " totally " disagree > with > > you, I had lived many > > years with A.D.D. And you know what? I never > > considered medication until I > > was in my 40's ... I totally regret not having the > > " passion " to seek a > > better life than the one I was leading then...If > you > > have not got the > > ailment you have... " NO CLUE " ...no one who has > > it...truly has it and gets > > treated for it is " not' going to be able to tell > the > > difference... My father > > also has it and has the same symptoms I do...he > does > > well w/o medication I > > don't.... I am on strattera and I will tell you > > this...my mind has never > > been so clear consice and have the ability to much > > better learn ,remember > > and think through...so I for one will argue with a > > passion about it existing > > and how it can affect you....as far as lazy, > > everyone has their moments, but > > they are further and fewer between....you are > > entitled to your opinion but > > like tom cruise , in my personal opinion you are > way > > off base. > > Respectfully , > > Chris > > > > ---- > > > > Jessika Stone > > 04/08/07 22:06:54 > > > > Re: ADD/ADHD in 4 > year > > olds? > > > > Call me crazy, but I don't believe ADD or ADHD > > exists. > > I was diagnosed with ADD when I was twelve, and do > > you know what the problem actually was? I was > lazy. > > I was lazy and I had no discipline. I have never > > known another person who has been diagnosed with > > either of those diseases that didn't have some > > similar > > sort of self image based problem. > > As far as I know about the symptoms of ADHD (and > > this > > is a personal passion of mine, having been > medicated > > with mind altering drugs for a disease that > doesn't > > even exist in the past myself), every 4 year old > on > > the planet has ADHD. > > What ever you do, do not treat him like he has > some > > sort of strange disease. I hardly know anyone who > > has > > not been diagnosed with that, or some other > " mental > > disorder " that strangely resembles a natural human > > emotion or something even more basic like > > dehydration. > > Also, DO NOT put him on any of those mind altering > > drugs, EVER! I suffered from such terrible > > depression > > for years after taking those. I even tried to kill > > myself once. If anything damages the brain, its > > those > > drugs. > > Do yourself a favor and check out the book Your > Drug > > Might be Your Problem by Peter R. Breggin and > David > > Cohen for a good starting point on these brain > > disorders they love to advertise so much now. > > Good luck > > Jessi > > --- sknoll1318 <sweetbutterfly1318 > > wrote: > > > > > My son's preschool wants him to be tested for > > > ADD/ADHD. I was wondering > > > if this is rather young for a child to be tested > > and > > > medicated for > > > this. I took online tests about my child's > > behavior > > > and I was able to > > > check off all but one for ADHD. My husband and I > > > would like to use > > > natural medications instead. So far, we have > > > attempted to take dairy > > > out of his diet, this is rather hard considering > > we > > > live in WI, but we > > > have made the best of it. The issue is that we > > have > > > tried using soy > > > milk, but my son won't drink it unless it is > mixed > > > half w/reg milk. > > > Now, since dairy wasn't TOTALLY taken out of his > > > diet, would the > > > reduction of the dairy still have a behavior > > change > > > on him, or not > > > because it wasn't totally taken out? I was > > planning > > > on upping his Omega- > > > 3 as I know that this can cause ADD symptoms > also. > > I > > > did research > > > online and saw a natural remedy for the symptoms > > off > > > ADHD, but I don't > > > know anything about it. > > > > > > If anyone has any information that would be > useful > > > in diet changes and > > > natural remedies, please let me know. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > Bored stiff? Loosen up... > > Download and play hundreds of games for free on > > Games. > > http://games./games/front > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 I was one that never really " thought " much about it. In fact I did not believe it either...until my kids started school and I remembered how embarrassing it was to go to class and no matter how much I tried and desired to pay attention my mind was anywhere but school, after 43 years of struggling I finally decided to get myself and my family help...my kids have some of these things too...there are for real clinical things like depression, bi polar, A.D.D....A.D.H.D, THEYdo exist....and as much as natural herbs and so on may be the route for others I am not even close to against the " narcotic medication " ...I did not lose weight on stratera and the fact is as I have gone on medication and gotten help they have slowly over time found all the symptoms for everything I inhereted...from A.D.D. To depression and bi polar....I now can think, my brain actually thinks better and faster, doing paperwork at work no longer takes me 30 minutes into the next shift and I can actually have fun with my fellow employees and after 20 years of being a bag to the people I had to work with I feel more sorry for them than I do for myself for not getting help sooner....I had friends tell me how and what they did to cope with working with me....embarrassing! I have apologized to many co workers for making it so difficult for them...the best part is I can go into work now and smile laugh and have fun...as far as nutrition I lost 70 pounds by taking the calories and fat out of my diet and I take black root kohosh for my female changes and omega 3 for my mental balance and overall health...oh yeah and ginko because of the memory problems my grandmother had....so I do like the natural forms of what helps but for my mental well being I have to stick with those " terrible " medications....See not everyone is so structured they can go a million routes to find what works for them...and when you do medication they do find out little by little what your problem may be....In the real world very few are so structured that they have the time and the ability to check everything they eat...Just my 2 cents worth...everyone handles things differently...all in all as long as you get the help you need and do " not " ignore or deny (which we all know is part of the problem) you are being responsible. Yes different people are affected in different ways...I am a bigger more solidly built woman so it does not tear me down as easily...I am thankful that I went the route I did. ---- Jessika Stone 4/10/2007 9:56:04 PM Re: ADD/ADHD in 4 year olds? The only difference I noticed on my medication was depression and lack of appetite. It was the thinnest I ever was, I did kind of like that result. My mother said that I was paying attention much better, and continued to say it months after I had stopped taking my medicine without telling her. The only thing that made my " ADD " better was joining the Army and learning about discipline. christine DeMey <cdemey wrote: Well, with all due respect I " totally " disagree with you, I had lived many years with A.D.D. And you know what? I never considered medication until I was in my 40's ... I totally regret not having the " passion " to seek a better life than the one I was leading then...If you have not got the ailment you have... " NO CLUE " ...no one who has it...truly has it and gets treated for it is " not' going to be able to tell the difference... My father also has it and has the same symptoms I do...he does well w/o medication I don't.... I am on strattera and I will tell you this...my mind has never been so clear consice and have the ability to much better learn ,remember and think through...so I for one will argue with a passion about it existing and how it can affect you....as far as lazy, everyone has their moments, but they are further and fewer between....you are entitled to your opinion but like tom cruise , in my personal opinion you are way off base. Respectfully , Chris ---- Jessika Stone 04/08/07 22:06:54 Re: ADD/ADHD in 4 year olds? Call me crazy, but I don't believe ADD or ADHD exists. I was diagnosed with ADD when I was twelve, and do you know what the problem actually was? I was lazy. I was lazy and I had no discipline. I have never known another person who has been diagnosed with either of those diseases that didn't have some similar sort of self image based problem. As far as I know about the symptoms of ADHD (and this is a personal passion of mine, having been medicated with mind altering drugs for a disease that doesn't even exist in the past myself), every 4 year old on the planet has ADHD. What ever you do, do not treat him like he has some sort of strange disease. I hardly know anyone who has not been diagnosed with that, or some other " mental disorder " that strangely resembles a natural human emotion or something even more basic like dehydration. Also, DO NOT put him on any of those mind altering drugs, EVER! I suffered from such terrible depression for years after taking those. I even tried to kill myself once. If anything damages the brain, its those drugs. Do yourself a favor and check out the book Your Drug Might be Your Problem by Peter R. Breggin and David Cohen for a good starting point on these brain disorders they love to advertise so much now. Good luck Jessi --- sknoll1318 <sweetbutterfly1318 wrote: > My son's preschool wants him to be tested for > ADD/ADHD. I was wondering > if this is rather young for a child to be tested and > medicated for > this. I took online tests about my child's behavior > and I was able to > check off all but one for ADHD. My husband and I > would like to use > natural medications instead. So far, we have > attempted to take dairy > out of his diet, this is rather hard considering we > live in WI, but we > have made the best of it. The issue is that we have > tried using soy > milk, but my son won't drink it unless it is mixed > half w/reg milk. > Now, since dairy wasn't TOTALLY taken out of his > diet, would the > reduction of the dairy still have a behavior change > on him, or not > because it wasn't totally taken out? I was planning > on upping his Omega- > 3 as I know that this can cause ADD symptoms also. I > did research > online and saw a natural remedy for the symptoms off > ADHD, but I don't > know anything about it. > > If anyone has any information that would be useful > in diet changes and > natural remedies, please let me know. > > Thank you. > > ________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. http://games./games/front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 As a retired school nurse I wanted to respond to the behavior of some children labeled " ADD/ADHD " . In addition to my full time job as a school nurse I also worked locked pediatric/adolescent psych units. Beyond a shadow of a doubt so many of the children I cared for, in schools and locked units, suffered from poor parenting. The scary part was the willingness of doctors to order medication for these kids. Once parents got hold of the medications they felt they had the right to " up or down " the dose at will. Many times I refused to followed a parents request to give their child a double dose of medication during the school day. R.N.s' follow strict nurse and state practice acts that allow them to only follow doctors orders. Lastly, I'm sure you all saw that terrible article about the parents in Boston who overdosed their 4 years old with clonidine (catapres)for ADD/ADHD, etc. Imagine, this family also had two other children that a Harvard trained psychiatrist diagnosed as ADD/ADHD and other psych illness, This done with only the parents word and the doctor's brief assessment. The little girl died at home on a pile of clothes. School officials had tried to intervene but to no avail as the Harvard Psych overrode them. Now that the child is dead, her siblings have been removed from the home and the doctor's license surrendered to the state. VERY VERY SELDOM DO CHILDREN EVER NEED MEDICATION FOR BEHAVIOR. Oh yes, I also had six children of my own and worked. All seemed well. Regards, Rose McCarthy R.N.c M.ed CSN --- Jenny Kernan <rainysnana wrote: > I agree that the med may work quickly and > effectively > but in my opinion is NOT worth the side effects or > possible damage it may cause. Diet and environment > should be first line of offense not last. > > Many years ago I ran a day care( as many as 88 kids > per day) and many of the children were on Ritalin > etc. > What we found was some of those children who were > " out > of control " were actually victims of their own > parents > lack of parenting skills! And therapist were > prescribing drugs for kids whose parents needed to > learn how to set boundaries, cook better or cook at > all! not serve Mc Donalds everynight. When parents > changed diet and or took the Love n Logic courses > and > actually used what they learned, we saw a huge > difference in the behaviors of the children. > > Just my experience, > Jenny Kernan > > --- Ieneke van Houten <ienvan wrote: > > > Jenny Kernan wrote: > > <My mom quickly put my whole family on the > feingold > > diet and was able to control the ADD/ADHD in all 4 > > siblings and my father. > > > > > AMEN! > > > > Today's kids are the canaries in the proverbial > > coalmine. Except there is no outside (yet) to go > to. > > We have never had this many man-made compounds > > in the food supply and the environment. > > (Let's not use the term " chemical " , since > everything > > can be described as chemical) > > > > Even if individual factors have been tested, > nobody > > tested the whole cocktail. > > We can take straws off the camel's back so to > speak. > > Keep our own home as toxin-free as possible, and > > feed > > those poor kids the best diet possible. > > > > It ALL works. > > > > We do know one thing: whatever causes ADD, it is > not > > > > Ritalin deficiency. I am Ms Natural. Try Food > first > > is > > my motto. > > > > And: I met a nine-year old online, from Holland > > where > > ADD is not nearly as fashionable, who said that > his > > first day on Ritalin was the best day of his life. > > Who am I to quarrel with that? > > > > Drugs work instantly, and in some cases they may > be > > helpful while the deeper causes of the problem are > > > being addressed. > > Sort of like training wheels for the brain. > > > > AND: a child on a drug has an even greater need > for > > whole-food nutritional support and for herbal > > formulas > > that support the liver and kidneys to cope with > the > > drug. > > > > There is so much ideology surrounding this, it > > drives > > me nuts. There is too much fighting over moot > > points. > > > > See the files for more. > > > > > http://health. > > > > Click this link, it will take you to the file > > section of the group. > > You will find a series of articles in the folder > > Coping with ADD. > > Drug-free ways to deal with ADD. > > > > Ien in the Kootenays > > http://freegreenliving.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Yep, this is sometimes..tragically..true...but in many cases, medication is necessary..along with other measures, such as good parenting, change of diet..and such...and can make a very impressive difference. I say this as a holistic doctor who emphasizes " natural methods. " Obviously, this must be closely monitored by the doctor. T.C.H., D.C. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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