MMM beef its what's for dinner!

[Guest guest]

You really do need to see this as disturbing as it is. Its not just

case of awareness. It's a case of action. You may love meat, eat

daily, keep eating it, just know where it comes from and how. This is

not the reason I am vegan. But its a great reason to be. Watch it if

you dare.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6GT8AtVvqA

 

The meat industry produces a tremendous amount of waste. Half of

every cow and one-third of every pig butchered is wasted. Add to that

the millions of tons of dead animals each year and you have an

incredible waste problem.

 

In the United States alone, rendering is a $2.4 billion industry with

286 rendering plants disposing of over 100 million pounds of dead

animals, meat wastes and fat EVERY DAY.

 

A few years ago, Baltimore reporter Van Smith visited a rendering

plant in his city and found that the large vats that collect and

filter the animals prior to cooking contained a vast array of animals

including dead dogs, cats, raccoons, opossums, deer, foxes, snakes, a

baby circus elephant and the remains of a police department horse.

This one rendering plant alone processes 1,824 dead animals every

month. Every year this one plant turns 150 million pounds of

decaying, diseased and drug filled flesh and kitchen grease into 80

million pounds of meat and bone meal, tallow and yellow grease. This

nutritionally dead, often toxic material provides the base for most

pet foods and is found in a vast array of products used by humans as

well.

 

 

 

Shredding before boiling at the rendering plant (Photo courtesy Fan

Separator Company

This meat and bone meal is used to augment the feed of poultry, pigs,

cattle and sheep destined for human consumption.

 

The deceptive product label names to watch out for that indicate the

presence of this deadly soup include meat meal, meat by-products,

poultry meal, poultry by-products, fish meal, fish oil, yellow

grease, tallow, beef fat, chicken fat and fatty acids.

 

Fatty acids can be found in lipstick, inks and waxes and other

rendering products such as tallow and grease go into soaps, candles,

tires, many drugs and gummy candies. The health conscious consumer

should avoid all these ingredients in human and pet foods.

 

 

 

Downed dairy cow waiting to be picked up by the rendering plant

(Photo courtesy Farm Sanctuary)

Many toxic chemicals make their way into the rendered products. In

addition to the unused meat from the livestock slaughtering process,

dead, dying, diseased and disabled animals are also included. These

animals are known as " 4D meat " in the trade. Along with the meat

comes disease, antibiotics and other drugs used during the animals'

lives, pesticides, cattle ID tags and surgical needles.

 

Unsold supermarket meats, still in their plastic and Styrofoam

wrappings, go into the mix as well as the plastic bags they are

delivered in.

 

The millions of dead dogs and cats from veterinarians and animals

shelters go into the rendering pots, including their flea collars

containing toxic pesticides, ID tags and a variety of powerful drugs.

 

The city of Los Angeles sends 200 tons of euthanized cats and dogs to

West Coast Rendering plant every month. This is just from the city's

animal shelters and does not include animals from private

veterinarians.

 

 

 

Euthanized dogs (Photo by Barbara Ward from

http://www.critterconnection.com/casey.html)

A common drug found in the rendering brew is phenobarbital, commonly

used to euthanize sick animals. The American Journal of Veterinary

Research did a study in 1985 that showed there was virtually no

degradation of this drug during the typical rendering process and

that measurable quantities of it remain present in the rendered

material used for pet foods and for feeding cattle destined for human

consumption.

 

The grains in pet food bear little resemblance to the nutrient rich

cereals we assume are present. Pet food grain consists of the

leftovers after the grain has been processed for humans. It also

contains moldy grain that has been declared unfit for human

consumption. Some of the mold is toxic and potentially deadly.

 

The preservatives added to pet foods, and human foods, are highly

toxic. Sodium nitrite, a coloring agent and preservative, ethoxyquin,

an insecticide, BHA and BHT have all been linked to cancer. Your dog

could be consuming as much as 26 pounds of preservatives each year if

it is fed these foods.

 

The state of ill health that these non-foods generate is responsible

for a host of health problems and can cause a hypersensitivity to

flea and insect bites. Many flea allergies would go away in animals

if their diets were changed.

 

 

 

8,000 gallon fat boiler ((Photo courtesy National Bi-Products)

The pet food industry is unregulated by government bodies. An

organization called the Association of American Feed Control

Officials sets the standards. Its membership includes a few state

agency representatives, but it is mostly run by commercial pet food

industry workers.

 

Don't be fooled by pet food sold at a veterinarian's office.

Depending upon the brand, this food can contain most of the same

ingredients as commercial pet foods sold in supermarkets. The

corporations that own these brands are simply very clever with their

advertisement and product placements and begin courting vets during

their training with free food, lectures and even clothing.

 

As always, larger issues loom. We must cast off the comfortable

assumptions we have lived with all our lives, discover the truth and

act on it. Change your pet's food today. And change your own, while

you are at it!

 

wanna see more

 

 

 

http://blog.360./blog-zd__UWczd6edsUE015ZQHdxDPbY.bw--?

cq=1 & p=699

[Guest guest]

Somehow, not sure how, I managed to get through the entire video. And

Im a pretty strong stomached person.

 

Id seriously consider going vegetarian (although DANG itd be HARD as

ive NEVER done it before, but at least Im willing) but my question is,

what are everyones thoughts about being a vegetarian but not Vegan?

 

Thank you

 

Jennifer

[Guest guest]

It's a matter of preference. I cannot do vegan...I

have to have some protien that isn't legumes, soy etc.

I do eat fish and chicken, eggs and dairy. My partner

is mostly vegan except for eggs and dairy. He grew up

in a 7th Day Adventist commune, so it was fairly easy

for him to return to what he knew. I on the other hand

grew up meat and potatoes and giving up meat has been

very difficult. Especially when I love it. Now I

literally get sick like food poisoning when I eat

beef, pork or processed meats like hot dogs and lunch

meats. So I stick with fish or chicken when I can

afford them. With Halibut at $17 a pound here it's a

luxery.

 

Jenny Kernan

 

--- Frazz <frazzmomto4 wrote:

 

> Somehow, not sure how, I managed to get through the

> entire video. And

> Im a pretty strong stomached person.

>

> Id seriously consider going vegetarian (although

> DANG itd be HARD as

> ive NEVER done it before, but at least Im willing)

> but my question is,

> what are everyones thoughts about being a vegetarian

> but not Vegan?

>

> Thank you

>

> Jennifer

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I love steak and burgers too. Way big. This won't be easy to chuck it.

I will keep organic milk and eggs, but not meat. I can do it. I want to.

But, I know it will take some time getting use to.

 

Sheree

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email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at

http://www.aol.com.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Jennifer,

 

Just the viewing of the video and the intention to try to be

vegetarian/vegan is

just great. I rejoice for you. It doesn't happen over night and there will

be times when

we do want meat, but it's a process. So many people believe we need to eat

red

meat for a certain amount of protein and this is just not true.

Do some research on whole grains,(Quinoa is a complete protein), healthy fats

and oils, nuts and seeds, supplements etc, and you will really see and feel a

difference to/for yourself.

Good Luck

Cathy

 

 

Frazz <frazzmomto4 wrote:

Somehow, not sure how, I managed to get through the entire video. And

Im a pretty strong stomached person.

 

Id seriously consider going vegetarian (although DANG itd be HARD as

ive NEVER done it before, but at least Im willing) but my question is,

what are everyones thoughts about being a vegetarian but not Vegan?

 

Thank you

 

Jennifer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

AGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Shawntaye

 

, " rainysnana "

<rainysnana wrote:

>

>

> You really do need to see this as disturbing as it is. Its not

just

> case of awareness. It's a case of action. You may love meat, eat

> daily, keep eating it, just know where it comes from and how. This

is

> not the reason I am vegan. But its a great reason to be. Watch it

if

> you dare.

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6GT8AtVvqA

>

> The meat industry produces a tremendous amount of waste. Half of

> every cow and one-third of every pig butchered is wasted. Add to

that

> the millions of tons of dead animals each year and you have an

> incredible waste problem.

>

> In the United States alone, rendering is a $2.4 billion industry

with

> 286 rendering plants disposing of over 100 million pounds of dead

> animals, meat wastes and fat EVERY DAY.

>

> A few years ago, Baltimore reporter Van Smith visited a rendering

> plant in his city and found that the large vats that collect and

> filter the animals prior to cooking contained a vast array of

animals

> including dead dogs, cats, raccoons, opossums, deer, foxes,

snakes, a

> baby circus elephant and the remains of a police department horse.

> This one rendering plant alone processes 1,824 dead animals every

> month. Every year this one plant turns 150 million pounds of

> decaying, diseased and drug filled flesh and kitchen grease into

80

> million pounds of meat and bone meal, tallow and yellow grease.

This

> nutritionally dead, often toxic material provides the base for

most

> pet foods and is found in a vast array of products used by humans

as

> well.

>

>

>

> Shredding before boiling at the rendering plant (Photo courtesy

Fan

> Separator Company

> This meat and bone meal is used to augment the feed of poultry,

pigs,

> cattle and sheep destined for human consumption.

>

> The deceptive product label names to watch out for that indicate

the

> presence of this deadly soup include meat meal, meat by-products,

> poultry meal, poultry by-products, fish meal, fish oil, yellow

> grease, tallow, beef fat, chicken fat and fatty acids.

>

> Fatty acids can be found in lipstick, inks and waxes and other

> rendering products such as tallow and grease go into soaps,

candles,

> tires, many drugs and gummy candies. The health conscious consumer

> should avoid all these ingredients in human and pet foods.

>

>

>

> Downed dairy cow waiting to be picked up by the rendering plant

> (Photo courtesy Farm Sanctuary)

> Many toxic chemicals make their way into the rendered products. In

> addition to the unused meat from the livestock slaughtering

process,

> dead, dying, diseased and disabled animals are also included.

These

> animals are known as " 4D meat " in the trade. Along with the meat

> comes disease, antibiotics and other drugs used during the

animals'

> lives, pesticides, cattle ID tags and surgical needles.

>

> Unsold supermarket meats, still in their plastic and Styrofoam

> wrappings, go into the mix as well as the plastic bags they are

> delivered in.

>

> The millions of dead dogs and cats from veterinarians and animals

> shelters go into the rendering pots, including their flea collars

> containing toxic pesticides, ID tags and a variety of powerful

drugs.

>

> The city of Los Angeles sends 200 tons of euthanized cats and dogs

to

> West Coast Rendering plant every month. This is just from the

city's

> animal shelters and does not include animals from private

> veterinarians.

>

>

>

> Euthanized dogs (Photo by Barbara Ward from

> http://www.critterconnection.com/casey.html)

> A common drug found in the rendering brew is phenobarbital,

commonly

> used to euthanize sick animals. The American Journal of Veterinary

> Research did a study in 1985 that showed there was virtually no

> degradation of this drug during the typical rendering process and

> that measurable quantities of it remain present in the rendered

> material used for pet foods and for feeding cattle destined for

human

> consumption.

>

> The grains in pet food bear little resemblance to the nutrient

rich

> cereals we assume are present. Pet food grain consists of the

> leftovers after the grain has been processed for humans. It also

> contains moldy grain that has been declared unfit for human

> consumption. Some of the mold is toxic and potentially deadly.

>

> The preservatives added to pet foods, and human foods, are highly

> toxic. Sodium nitrite, a coloring agent and preservative,

ethoxyquin,

> an insecticide, BHA and BHT have all been linked to cancer. Your

dog

> could be consuming as much as 26 pounds of preservatives each year

if

> it is fed these foods.

>

> The state of ill health that these non-foods generate is

responsible

> for a host of health problems and can cause a hypersensitivity to

> flea and insect bites. Many flea allergies would go away in

animals

> if their diets were changed.

>

>

>

> 8,000 gallon fat boiler ((Photo courtesy National Bi-Products)

> The pet food industry is unregulated by government bodies. An

> organization called the Association of American Feed Control

> Officials sets the standards. Its membership includes a few state

> agency representatives, but it is mostly run by commercial pet

food

> industry workers.

>

> Don't be fooled by pet food sold at a veterinarian's office.

> Depending upon the brand, this food can contain most of the same

> ingredients as commercial pet foods sold in supermarkets. The

> corporations that own these brands are simply very clever with

their

> advertisement and product placements and begin courting vets

during

> their training with free food, lectures and even clothing.

>

> As always, larger issues loom. We must cast off the comfortable

> assumptions we have lived with all our lives, discover the truth

and

> act on it. Change your pet's food today. And change your own,

while

> you are at it!

>

> wanna see more

>

>

>

>

> http://blog.360./blog-zd__UWczd6edsUE015ZQHdxDPbY.bw--?

> cq=1 & p=699

>

[Guest guest]

Yikes. I knew commercial cat food is not the greatest

stuff but this is worse than I thought.

 

The question is: what else are we going to do with

animal carcasses?

I quite agree this stuff does not belong in the food chain,

but it has to go somewhere! Tame flocks of Raven?

 

As for human food: Living in a more Northern latitude

eating some animal food just makes sense to me,

especially in winter.

 

I wish I didn't know so much about the way commercial

pork is raised, but we do. So those lovely lean cheap

pork chops in the grocery store are out. Ditto for all the

tasty sausages.

 

From the store we get wild pink salmon and sardines

canned in water. Both are still cheap and healthy.

We can now get free range organic bison, and as far

as I know New Zealand lamb is always free range,

isn't it?

 

I get the ground meat form of both and mix them

half and half for a mix that is just right. Bison is a

bit too lean, lamb a bit too fatty. Make them into

meatballs, vary the flavoring, and that is our red meat

fix, maybe twice a month.

 

We are not hunters, but if one would come around and

help to bring some balance to the insanely huge white

tail deer population, I'd welcome that too.

 

Most of our animal food comes from the freezer.

I raise and butcher my own chickens. They have a

brief but pleasant life and a quick merciful death..

I take great pride in taking responsibility for our own

needs in this way. Of course this is only possible for

us lucky country dwellers.

 

Yes, that seemingly pleasant face on my

page is that of an axe murderer.......

 

Ien in the Kootenays

http://freegreenliving.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am a yooper and I fully agree in raising your own food. Back in the 80's a

bunch of government guys came up there and yelled at us because we make our own

feed and don't buy from outside but when they informed us of what was inside

their feed we told them that would drive the cattle nuts and they told us no it

wouldn't. guess who was right! we told them not to feed cattle to cattle but

they decided not to listen and thought we didn't know what we were talking

about. now mad cow disease is rampant

 

 

 

Ieneke van Houten <ienvan

 

Sunday, March 11, 2007 7:20:21 AM

Re: Re: MMM beef its what's for dinner!

 

Yikes. I knew commercial cat food is not the greatest

stuff but this is worse than I thought.

 

The question is: what else are we going to do with

animal carcasses?

I quite agree this stuff does not belong in the food chain,

but it has to go somewhere! Tame flocks of Raven?

 

As for human food: Living in a more Northern latitude

eating some animal food just makes sense to me,

especially in winter.

 

I wish I didn't know so much about the way commercial

pork is raised, but we do. So those lovely lean cheap

pork chops in the grocery store are out. Ditto for all the

tasty sausages.

 

From the store we get wild pink salmon and sardines

canned in water. Both are still cheap and healthy.

We can now get free range organic bison, and as far

as I know New Zealand lamb is always free range,

isn't it?

 

I get the ground meat form of both and mix them

half and half for a mix that is just right. Bison is a

bit too lean, lamb a bit too fatty. Make them into

meatballs, vary the flavoring, and that is our red meat

fix, maybe twice a month.

 

We are not hunters, but if one would come around and

help to bring some balance to the insanely huge white

tail deer population, I'd welcome that too.

 

Most of our animal food comes from the freezer.

I raise and butcher my own chickens. They have a

brief but pleasant life and a quick merciful death..

I take great pride in taking responsibility for our own

needs in this way. Of course this is only possible for

us lucky country dwellers.

 

Yes, that seemingly pleasant face on my

page is that of an axe murderer.... ...

 

Ien in the Kootenays

http://freegreenliv ing.com

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes, New Zealand lamb is free range, but for the most part, it's far

from the clean and green image New Zealand would have you imagine.

Lamb/mutton is an intensively farmed meat. While it's better than

animals which are raised in a feed lot, for more than half the 40

million sheep in New Zealand, they don't have the greatest life, and

the trucks in which they are taken to be slaughtered are horrible. I

cringe every time I see them driving down the road.

 

Something you probably didn't want to know, but probably should

know. I always want to know where my food comes from, how it was

raised, how it died. For years we rarely ate meat because we

couldn't find an option that suited us, but since we bought our 10

acres farm, we raise probably 60% of our own food, including all meat

and dairy products, most veggies and some fruit (orchard being

established!). It takes time, supreme effort, and we're very

fortunate that I am able to be home tending to the farm while my

husband works.

 

I know this isn't a realistic scenario for many, but, depending on

where you live, you can find food, including meat and dairy products,

which are locally produced, and you can meet the people who raise it

all, and buy directly from them (one can't buy meat other than from a

butchery, at least not legally, but there are plenty of places in the

US - we used to live there - where you can buy directly from the

farm, many of which are certified organic... just haveto do some

research).

 

Cheers

Andrea

NZ

 

 

On 12/03/2007, at 3:20 AM, Ieneke van Houten wrote:

 

> and as far

> as I know New Zealand lamb is always free range,

> isn't it?