Homeopathy Forum

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne. I'm not sure what you mean by food grade herbs. Meaning safe to

ingest? Or pure as in pesticide free? Naturally it would be good to start

out with pesticide free herbs, and I can't say for sure if all homeopathic

remedies start out that way, but as far as the herbs being safe to eat--well

that's not exactly necessary when it comes to homeopathy (nor essences).

Granted, I'm not a trained homeopathic therapist and am speaking from the

background of being a flower essence therapist and maker--but I do know that

many homeopathic remedies are made with toxic substances that would kill you

if you put the substance in its pure form into or on your body. But by the

time the homeopathy remedy is made there is no scientific means to detect

any presence of that substance in the remedy. All you are left with, as in

flower essences, is the SIGNATURE VIBRATION or FREQUENCY of that substance.

Therefore, they are all " safe " to take internally or externally. You cannot

be poisoned by taking a remedy or essence. You can, however, have an

unpleasant reaction to either a remedy or essence. What I know of remedies

is that they can cause certain physical reactions--which is how they were

proofed. Meaning that is how it was discovered what the remedy was good for

A remedy was made and given to a person that didn't have any health

problems. When that person (normally a group of people were tested)

reported that the remedy gave them a throbbing headache with fuzzy eyesight,

then they knew that a person who was ill with throbbing headaches and fuzzy

eyesight would be HELPED by taking that remedy. So a remedy will not harm

you permanently but can cause uncomfortable symptoms if you take the wrong

remedy. That's why going to a trained homeopathic therapist is so

important--to see that you get the correct remedy for your problem.

 

With flower essences--they are a bit different than remedies--made

differently and usually not tested the same way, yet both work on

vibrational energy. As for Bach's, they were from flowers growing outside

of his clinic--not that he specifically said " I won't use flowers from

poisonous plants " . He would take long walks outside thinking about his

clients problems and found himself drawn again and again to certain flowers.

He did use homeopathy in his clinic so that's probably how he knew how to

make essences, but believe me, essences have been around as long as mankind

has. What do you think flower teas are?? :-) Anyway, many essence makers

today actually talk with the plant spirits to find out what the essences are

to be used for (and I think Bach did the same, though he never said so, but

that's just my idea :-), rather than testing them as had been done with

homeopathic remedies, plus they are not diluted as much as homeopathic

remedies, nor do they start with an alcoholic extract. Essences start with

flowers and water--the alcohol is added later simply to prevent spoiling.

Again, there is nothing left of the plant or flower (Or stone or leaf or

crystal or whatever the essence is made from, which can be anything) in the

end essence. Nothing detectable by any scientific instrument. When an

essence or remedy is tested all that is found is water and alcohol.

Essences, as far as I have found in the past 7 years of making and using

them, have no detrimental physical effect on people. Normally, if you don't

need the energy of an essence, you can still take all you want and NOT get

any type of reaction-physical, mental or emotional-at all. If your body or

soul does not need the essence, it will have zero effect on you. BUT--again

there are certain people that have very STRONG response to any essence,

which can be overwhelming to them. Say a person is trying to get over some

type of slight sadness. They take an essence that helps with that, and they

find themselves suddenly weeping and practically hysterical and overcome

with great sadness. Did the essence cause this?? Yes and no. The essence

caused " it by bringing up what was actually a very deep sadness that the

person had buried deep inside and had never acknowledged. So yes, the

essence caused the reaction but wasn't THE cause of the reaction. As the

person continues taking the essence, the essence actually helps the person

go through the hidden emotions and finally RELEASE the emotions so that the

person no longer feels any sadness at all. It didn't actually cause sadness

that wasn't there originally--it " merely " brought the hidden emotion to the

surface where it could be dealt with and released. Most people do not react

that way to essences; actually the majority of the people don't react this

way, but I have seen it happen. Essences are normally very gentle on a

person. It's just that some people are hyper sensitive and can have extreme

reactions to any given essence. So again, it's always best to consult with

a trained essence therapist to decide which essence to take for a problem.

 

Samala

Renee

 

----

 

 

*You see Homeopathy as where an Herbal-distiller takes Pure Herbal

Extracts such as Chamommile-flowers and takes these Herbal extracts

And dilutes the Herb-extracts in purified water and bottles it up.

 

This is actually what Homeopathy is. From what I watched on a

Documentary from a vidoe I rented form the Library on " Natural

Healing: the science of Homepathy was developed by the same person;

Dr. Mesmorise (sp.?) which the term " Mesmorized is deviated.

 

HOWEVER: and here is the whole key:

 

Not all the Herbs used in Homeopathy are considered food-grade Herbs.

 

I would be for Homeopathy if only food grade safe Herbs were used.

 

Like the Bach Flower Remedies which used only safe known Flowers.

 

But your concept of Homeopathy " S Healing by Herb's Vibrations is good.

[Guest guest]

Hi Renee: I enjoyed reading your essay. Very enlightening; I think.

 

By Food-grade Herbs I mean; foods that can be eaten safely.

 

I presume this would also mean no pesticides either.

 

My example of a safe Food-grade Herb would be Peppermint Leaves.

 

Peppermint Leaves; can be eaten;stewed;steeped;boiled;steamed etc.

 

Then these leaves can be used as a flavoring in food fresh or a Tea.

 

So I already know The Peppemint Leaf is a safe food grade Herb.

 

Then take an Herb like Belladonna; which is used in Homeopathy.

 

I am not against BellaDonna mind you; I was given BellaDonna by my

Physican a few years ago to quell severe stomahc cramping due to Flu.

The Belladonna solution taken by mouth was so effective and helped me.

 

HOWEVER; Belladonna is a toxic substance and the Drug Co. that

manufactured the Belladonna solution given to me at the E.R. was 'in

the exact proper amounts and dosages for a female of my age and

weight. SO AS A PRECRIPTION; BELLADONNA IS SAFE USED AS DIRECTED.

 

HERE ARE MY CONCERNS:

 

1. I do NOT beleive you are corrcect when you say " There is nothing

in the Homeopathic Remedies except water and the essence of the Herb.

 

I beleive there IS an extract of the Herb in Homeopathic Solutions.

 

2. I believe you are CORRECT when you state the Bach and other Flower

Remedies do NOT contain any of the actual Herb;just The Essence and

water. Dr. Back began his work to help duaghter's depression.

 

So my questions is this: If the Belladonna Berry (also called The

Nightshade Plant) is a known Toxin; so Toxic that even just one Berry

eaten by a child from the Nightshade plant can " kill a person " ; and

if The Belladonna Berry is used in Homeopathy; which it is:

 

How can one be sure of the proper dosage so as not to poison anyone?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Renee " <gaiacita

wrote:

>

> Hi Anne. I'm not sure what you mean by food grade herbs. Meaning

safe to

> ingest? Or pure as in pesticide free? Naturally it would be good

to start

> out with pesticide free herbs, and I can't say for sure if all

homeopathic

> remedies start out that way, but as far as the herbs being safe to

eat--well

> that's not exactly necessary when it comes to homeopathy (nor

essences).

> Granted, I'm not a trained homeopathic therapist and am speaking

from the

> background of being a flower essence therapist and maker--but I do

know that

> many homeopathic remedies are made with toxic substances that would

kill you

> if you put the substance in its pure form into or on your body.

But by the

> time the homeopathy remedy is made there is no scientific means to

detect

> any presence of that substance in the remedy. All you are left

with, as in

> flower essences, is the SIGNATURE VIBRATION or FREQUENCY of that

substance.

> Therefore, they are all " safe " to take internally or externally.

You cannot

> be poisoned by taking a remedy or essence. You can, however, have

an

> unpleasant reaction to either a remedy or essence. What I know of

remedies

> is that they can cause certain physical reactions--which is how

they were

> proofed. Meaning that is how it was discovered what the remedy was

good for

> A remedy was made and given to a person that didn't have any

health

> problems. When that person (normally a group of people were tested)

> reported that the remedy gave them a throbbing headache with fuzzy

eyesight,

> then they knew that a person who was ill with throbbing headaches

and fuzzy

> eyesight would be HELPED by taking that remedy. So a remedy will

not harm

> you permanently but can cause uncomfortable symptoms if you take

the wrong

> remedy. That's why going to a trained homeopathic therapist is so

> important--to see that you get the correct remedy for your

problem.

>

> With flower essences--they are a bit different than remedies--made

> differently and usually not tested the same way, yet both work on

> vibrational energy. As for Bach's, they were from flowers growing

outside

> of his clinic--not that he specifically said " I won't use flowers

from

> poisonous plants " . He would take long walks outside thinking about

his

> clients problems and found himself drawn again and again to certain

flowers.

> He did use homeopathy in his clinic so that's probably how he knew

how to

> make essences, but believe me, essences have been around as long as

mankind

> has. What do you think flower teas are?? :-) Anyway, many

essence makers

> today actually talk with the plant spirits to find out what the

essences are

> to be used for (and I think Bach did the same, though he never said

so, but

> that's just my idea :-), rather than testing them as had been done

with

> homeopathic remedies, plus they are not diluted as much as

homeopathic

> remedies, nor do they start with an alcoholic extract. Essences

start with

> flowers and water--the alcohol is added later simply to prevent

spoiling.

> Again, there is nothing left of the plant or flower (Or stone or

leaf or

> crystal or whatever the essence is made from, which can be

anything) in the

> end essence. Nothing detectable by any scientific instrument.

When an

> essence or remedy is tested all that is found is water and alcohol.

> Essences, as far as I have found in the past 7 years of making and

using

> them, have no detrimental physical effect on people. Normally, if

you don't

> need the energy of an essence, you can still take all you want and

NOT get

> any type of reaction-physical, mental or emotional-at all. If your

body or

> soul does not need the essence, it will have zero effect on you.

BUT--again

> there are certain people that have very STRONG response to any

essence,

> which can be overwhelming to them. Say a person is trying to get

over some

> type of slight sadness. They take an essence that helps with that,

and they

> find themselves suddenly weeping and practically hysterical and

overcome

> with great sadness. Did the essence cause this?? Yes and no. The

essence

> caused " it by bringing up what was actually a very deep sadness

that the

> person had buried deep inside and had never acknowledged. So yes,

the

> essence caused the reaction but wasn't THE cause of the reaction.

As the

> person continues taking the essence, the essence actually helps the

person

> go through the hidden emotions and finally RELEASE the emotions so

that the

> person no longer feels any sadness at all. It didn't actually

cause sadness

> that wasn't there originally--it " merely " brought the hidden

emotion to the

> surface where it could be dealt with and released. Most people do

not react

> that way to essences; actually the majority of the people don't

react this

> way, but I have seen it happen. Essences are normally very gentle

on a

> person. It's just that some people are hyper sensitive and can

have extreme

> reactions to any given essence. So again, it's always best to

consult with

> a trained essence therapist to decide which essence to take for a

problem.

>

> Samala

> Renee

>

> ----

>

>

> *You see Homeopathy as where an Herbal-distiller takes Pure Herbal

> Extracts such as Chamommile-flowers and takes these Herbal extracts

> And dilutes the Herb-extracts in purified water and bottles it up.

>

> This is actually what Homeopathy is. From what I watched on a

> Documentary from a vidoe I rented form the Library on " Natural

> Healing: the science of Homepathy was developed by the same person;

> Dr. Mesmorise (sp.?) which the term " Mesmorized is deviated.

>

> HOWEVER: and here is the whole key:

>

> Not all the Herbs used in Homeopathy are considered food-grade

Herbs.

>

> I would be for Homeopathy if only food grade safe Herbs were used.

>

> Like the Bach Flower Remedies which used only safe known Flowers.

>

> But your concept of Homeopathy " S Healing by Herb's Vibrations is

good.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Renee: This is part 2 of my reply to this message. from anne/conn.

 

FLOWER ESSENCES:

 

*I am 100% in favor of Flower Essences because I know the Herbs used

are native Flowers that grew outside Bach's House in upstate N.Y.

 

The Flowers Bach used grow outside my window and are considered to be

weeds. Someitmes the Gardener pulls up the very flowers Dr. Bach uses

in his formulas and I sit there shaking my heat looking at them and

thinking: " All those wasted Flower Essences. Maybe this year I'll ask

Gardner not to pull them. I'll send you a picture of the Flower.

 

Everyday I see people pulling up Medicinal Herbs and Beneficial

Flowers. I see Mullein being pulled; I see Milk weed being pulled.

 

Did you know Milk weed Leaves are where Monarch Butterflies lay eggs

and the Monarch Caterpillers only known food is the Milk weed Leaf?

 

This is similar to Panda Bears eating only Bamboo shoots as a staple.

 

Like I say the world of Nature; Herbs; Flowers leaves roots is Great/.

(ps I will send pictures of Mullein also; Mullein is a giant herb !)

, " Renee " <gaiacita

wrote:

>

> Hi Anne. I'm not sure what you mean by food grade herbs. Meaning

safe to

> ingest? Or pure as in pesticide free? Naturally it would be good

to start

> out with pesticide free herbs, and I can't say for sure if all

homeopathic

> remedies start out that way, but as far as the herbs being safe to

eat--well

> that's not exactly necessary when it comes to homeopathy (nor

essences).

> Granted, I'm not a trained homeopathic therapist and am speaking

from the

> background of being a flower essence therapist and maker--but I do

know that

> many homeopathic remedies are made with toxic substances that would

kill you

> if you put the substance in its pure form into or on your body.

But by the

> time the homeopathy remedy is made there is no scientific means to

detect

> any presence of that substance in the remedy. All you are left

with, as in

> flower essences, is the SIGNATURE VIBRATION or FREQUENCY of that

substance.

> Therefore, they are all " safe " to take internally or externally.

You cannot

> be poisoned by taking a remedy or essence. You can, however, have

an

> unpleasant reaction to either a remedy or essence. What I know of

remedies

> is that they can cause certain physical reactions--which is how

they were

> proofed. Meaning that is how it was discovered what the remedy was

good for

> A remedy was made and given to a person that didn't have any

health

> problems. When that person (normally a group of people were tested)

> reported that the remedy gave them a throbbing headache with fuzzy

eyesight,

> then they knew that a person who was ill with throbbing headaches

and fuzzy

> eyesight would be HELPED by taking that remedy. So a remedy will

not harm

> you permanently but can cause uncomfortable symptoms if you take

the wrong

> remedy. That's why going to a trained homeopathic therapist is so

> important--to see that you get the correct remedy for your

problem.

>

> With flower essences--they are a bit different than remedies--made

> differently and usually not tested the same way, yet both work on

> vibrational energy. As for Bach's, they were from flowers growing

outside

> of his clinic--not that he specifically said " I won't use flowers

from

> poisonous plants " . He would take long walks outside thinking about

his

> clients problems and found himself drawn again and again to certain

flowers.

> He did use homeopathy in his clinic so that's probably how he knew

how to

> make essences, but believe me, essences have been around as long as

mankind

> has. What do you think flower teas are?? :-) Anyway, many

essence makers

> today actually talk with the plant spirits to find out what the

essences are

> to be used for (and I think Bach did the same, though he never said

so, but

> that's just my idea :-), rather than testing them as had been done

with

> homeopathic remedies, plus they are not diluted as much as

homeopathic

> remedies, nor do they start with an alcoholic extract. Essences

start with

> flowers and water--the alcohol is added later simply to prevent

spoiling.

> Again, there is nothing left of the plant or flower (Or stone or

leaf or

> crystal or whatever the essence is made from, which can be

anything) in the

> end essence. Nothing detectable by any scientific instrument.

When an

> essence or remedy is tested all that is found is water and alcohol.

> Essences, as far as I have found in the past 7 years of making and

using

> them, have no detrimental physical effect on people. Normally, if

you don't

> need the energy of an essence, you can still take all you want and

NOT get

> any type of reaction-physical, mental or emotional-at all. If your

body or

> soul does not need the essence, it will have zero effect on you.

BUT--again

> there are certain people that have very STRONG response to any

essence,

> which can be overwhelming to them. Say a person is trying to get

over some

> type of slight sadness. They take an essence that helps with that,

and they

> find themselves suddenly weeping and practically hysterical and

overcome

> with great sadness. Did the essence cause this?? Yes and no. The

essence

> caused " it by bringing up what was actually a very deep sadness

that the

> person had buried deep inside and had never acknowledged. So yes,

the

> essence caused the reaction but wasn't THE cause of the reaction.

As the

> person continues taking the essence, the essence actually helps the

person

> go through the hidden emotions and finally RELEASE the emotions so

that the

> person no longer feels any sadness at all. It didn't actually

cause sadness

> that wasn't there originally--it " merely " brought the hidden

emotion to the

> surface where it could be dealt with and released. Most people do

not react

> that way to essences; actually the majority of the people don't

react this

> way, but I have seen it happen. Essences are normally very gentle

on a

> person. It's just that some people are hyper sensitive and can

have extreme

> reactions to any given essence. So again, it's always best to

consult with

> a trained essence therapist to decide which essence to take for a

problem.

>

> Samala

> Renee

>

> ----

>

>

> *You see Homeopathy as where an Herbal-distiller takes Pure Herbal

> Extracts such as Chamommile-flowers and takes these Herbal extracts

> And dilutes the Herb-extracts in purified water and bottles it up.

>

> This is actually what Homeopathy is. From what I watched on a

> Documentary from a vidoe I rented form the Library on " Natural

> Healing: the science of Homepathy was developed by the same person;

> Dr. Mesmorise (sp.?) which the term " Mesmorized is deviated.

>

> HOWEVER: and here is the whole key:

>

> Not all the Herbs used in Homeopathy are considered food-grade

Herbs.

>

> I would be for Homeopathy if only food grade safe Herbs were used.

>

> Like the Bach Flower Remedies which used only safe known Flowers.

>

> But your concept of Homeopathy " S Healing by Herb's Vibrations is

good.

>

[Guest guest]

Again, remembering that I am NOT trained in homeopathy in any way--just what

little I have read on my own, maybe what they gave you in the hospital was

NOT homeopathic. Perhaps it was a tincture. In true homeopathy there IS no

detectable prime substance left. Period. That's why most doctors will tell

you homeopathy is quack science. If your doctor was NOT a trained homeopath

then he/she was probably not giving you a homeopathic remedy. Mistletoe is

toxic, but it is given to some cancer patients as a tincture by professional

herbalists. Too much of the tincture can make a person very, very ill, so

the herbalist must know what they are doing. But given in the right

proportions (as you say for age and weight) then it is very effective

against cancer. Wrong doses will harm. This is not a homeopathic remedy

but an actual tincture with prime (mistletoe) detectable substance in the

liquid. A tincture is the plant steeped in alcohol and water. Homeopathy

is usually made by at least a 3x, meaning diluted 3 times, but more often it

is diluted much more than that. So, from my understanding, a substance (we

ll say an herb) is made in tincture form, of the herb and alcohol. Then one

drop of this tincture is put into 100 drops of water (or maybe alcohol, I

forget which) and succussed 100 times. Then one drop of that is added to

100 drops of water and again shaken 100 times. Then this is done again the

third time for a 3x. So as you can see, there wouldn't be much of the

actual herb left--though I will admit that possibly there is at only a 3x

remedy. <shrug> Lots of remedies are 20 on up to 200x. The more times it

is removed from the original tincture the less and less of the actual plant

there is, until you would mathematically reach a point where no plant

material is detectable. At which x that happens I can't be sure because as

I said--I'm no homeopath. Perhaps one of the many homeopaths on this list

will correct me where I am at fault in my explanations.

 

But as I said, from all that I have read, there's not suppose to be any

detectable prime material in any homeopathic remedy. Although I do know

that a trained homeopath will give you only a certain amount of any remedy,

based on your problem, weight, emotional state, etc. That is why it takes

them years to complete their training--so that they can pick not only the

right remedy based on your whole body situation (not just your physical

problem) but also the correct strength. Because the more the remedy is

diluted, the stronger it becomes!! Sounds backwards, but it's been proven

to be true. So one person with a certain health problem might only need a

20x remedy, while another person with the same health problem but differing

body type and emotional state, may need that same remedy but at 60x dilution

 

 

So I would still be wondering, what exactly did the hospital give

you--tincture or remedy. And was it a trained homeopath that gave it to

you--because then it might be given almost as a prescription.

 

Samala

Renee--hoping a trained homeopath will jump in here and fix my mistakes. :-)

 

----

 

HOWEVER; Belladonna is a toxic substance and the Drug Co. That

Manufactured the Belladonna solution given to me at the E.R. Was 'in

The exact proper amounts and dosages for a female of my age and

Weight. SO AS A PRECRIPTION; BELLADONNA IS SAFE USED AS DIRECTED.

 

HERE ARE MY CONCERNS:

 

1. I do NOT believe you are corrcect when you say " There is nothing

In the Homeopathic Remedies except water and the essence of the Herb.

 

I believe there IS an extract of the Herb in Homeopathic Solutions.

 

2. I believe you are CORRECT when you state the Bach and other Flower

Remedies do NOT contain any of the actual Herb;just The Essence and

Water. Dr. Back began his work to help duaghter's depression.

 

So my questions is this: If the Belladonna Berry (also called The

Nightshade Plant) is a known Toxin; so Toxic that even just one Berry

Eaten by a child from the Nightshade plant can " kill a person " ; and

If The Belladonna Berry is used in Homeopathy; which it is:

[Guest guest]

Oh, don't get me started. Lol If people only realized what they were doing

when they " weeded " their yards. Dandelion is a terrific herb for the blood

and a great diuretic. Chickweed is a wonderful lymph cleaner and skin herb.

Mullein is great for the lungs, etc. Most weeds have some type of

benefit--either straight up as an herbal (I'm also a self-taught herbalist

wanna-be), or their flowers as essences. I hate to see people spraying

their yards for " weeds " . Sigh

 

I just don't understand why people don't spend their money on edible

landscaping. If you are going to plant something--plant something useful!!

Instead of just a shade tree, why not a good nut tree. You will get shade

and nuts, or a fruit tree--shade and fruit. Don't put up a fence--plant a

rose border or berry border. Both have stickers to keep people out but both

have medicinal and food uses. Don't just plant pretty flowers, plant edible

pretty flowers. There's so much a person can do in their yard to make it

look pretty AND useful. The plant world wants to help us, but most people

are so far removed from nature they have no idea anymore how to make use of

plants, especially wild native ones.

 

Samala

Renee

 

----

 

Everyday I see people pulling up Medicinal Herbs and Beneficial

Flowers. I see Mullein being pulled; I see Milk weed being pulled.

 

Did you know Milk weed Leaves are where Monarch Butterflies lay eggs

And the Monarch Caterpillers only known food is the Milk weed Leaf?

[Guest guest]

, " Renee " <gaiacita

wrote:

>

> Oh, don't get me started. Lol If people only realized what they

were doing

> when they " weeded " their yards. Dandelion is a terrific herb for

the blood

> and a great diuretic. Chickweed is a wonderful lymph cleaner and

skin herb.

> Mullein is great for the lungs, etc. Most weeds have some type of

> benefit--either straight up as an herbal (I'm also a self-taught

herbalist

> wanna-be), or their flowers as essences. I hate to see people

spraying

> their yards for " weeds " . Sigh

>

> I just don't understand why people don't spend their money on edible

> landscaping. If you are going to plant something--plant something

useful!!

> Instead of just a shade tree, why not a good nut tree. You will

get shade

> and nuts, or a fruit tree--shade and fruit. Don't put up a fence--

plant a

> rose border or berry border. Both have stickers to keep people out

but both

> have medicinal and food uses. Don't just plant pretty flowers,

plant edible

> pretty flowers. There's so much a person can do in their yard to

make it

> look pretty AND useful. The plant world wants to help us, but most

people

> are so far removed from nature they have no idea anymore how to

make use of

> plants, especially wild native ones.

>

> Samala

> Renee

>

> ----

>

> Everyday I see people pulling up Medicinal Herbs and Beneficial

> Flowers. I see Mullein being pulled; I see Milk weed being pulled.

>

> Did you know Milk weed Leaves are where Monarch Butterflies lay

eggs

> And the Monarch Caterpillers only known food is the Milk weed Leaf?

>Your post is so true, my lawn guy doesn't ask anymore if I want my

lawn to be weed free, about 9 years ago I told him that the universe

put weeds here for a reason and I would never put down anything to

kill them, go figure, this year I have a fairly big square footage, i

am having all grass removed and planting 90 percent food consumption.

[Guest guest]

In response to your question on homeopathy.... Renee was quite accurate....

homeopathic remedies only contain the signature of the plant... it's

'essence'. There is nothing left of the physical plant.

 

Google 'how to make a homeopathic remedy' and you will be given information

on how this is accomplished. In fact, the higher the 'dose', the less on

the signature is there. For instance... 30C has more of the signature of

the plant than 200C, although 200C is much more potent.

 

Keria

 

Keria Rossin

Administrative Assistant

University of Michigan - TCAUP

2000 Bonisteel Blvd.

Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2069

T. 734.764.1300

F. 734.763.2322

 

Expect a miracle!

[Guest guest]

Hi Renee: and thank you for your reply. I found it interesting to

read. I am glad I finally understand the concept of " Homeopathy; esp.

the way Homeopathy " works. So from what I understand I would say:

 

*Flower Essences contain no amount of the Flower of herbal used.

" Homeopathies(may)have trace amounts of the original Herbal Extracts.

*Teas contain an undetermined amount of the original herb used.

*Extracts contain the highest amount of the orignal beneficial Herb.

 

Don't know if the caps of pure herbs are stronger than the Extracts.

 

I am way into Herbal Extracts. Echinnacea is a wonderful extract. : )

, " Renee " <gaiacita

wrote:

>

> Again, remembering that I am NOT trained in homeopathy in any way--

just what

> little I have read on my own, maybe what they gave you in the

hospital was

> NOT homeopathic. Perhaps it was a tincture. In true homeopathy

there IS no

> detectable prime substance left. Period. That's why most doctors

will tell

> you homeopathy is quack science. If your doctor was NOT a trained

homeopath

> then he/she was probably not giving you a homeopathic remedy.

Mistletoe is

> toxic, but it is given to some cancer patients as a tincture by

professional

> herbalists. Too much of the tincture can make a person very, very

ill, so

> the herbalist must know what they are doing. But given in the right

> proportions (as you say for age and weight) then it is very

effective

> against cancer. Wrong doses will harm. This is not a homeopathic

remedy

> but an actual tincture with prime (mistletoe) detectable substance

in the

> liquid. A tincture is the plant steeped in alcohol and water.

Homeopathy

> is usually made by at least a 3x, meaning diluted 3 times, but more

often it

> is diluted much more than that. So, from my understanding, a

substance (we

> ll say an herb) is made in tincture form, of the herb and alcohol.

Then one

> drop of this tincture is put into 100 drops of water (or maybe

alcohol, I

> forget which) and succussed 100 times. Then one drop of that is

added to

> 100 drops of water and again shaken 100 times. Then this is done

again the

> third time for a 3x. So as you can see, there wouldn't be much of

the

> actual herb left--though I will admit that possibly there is at

only a 3x

> remedy. <shrug> Lots of remedies are 20 on up to 200x. The more

times it

> is removed from the original tincture the less and less of the

actual plant

> there is, until you would mathematically reach a point where no

plant

> material is detectable. At which x that happens I can't be sure

because as

> I said--I'm no homeopath. Perhaps one of the many homeopaths on

this list

> will correct me where I am at fault in my explanations.

>

> But as I said, from all that I have read, there's not suppose to be

any

> detectable prime material in any homeopathic remedy. Although I do

know

> that a trained homeopath will give you only a certain amount of any

remedy,

> based on your problem, weight, emotional state, etc. That is why

it takes

> them years to complete their training--so that they can pick not

only the

> right remedy based on your whole body situation (not just your

physical

> problem) but also the correct strength. Because the more the

remedy is

> diluted, the stronger it becomes!! Sounds backwards, but it's been

proven

> to be true. So one person with a certain health problem might only

need a

> 20x remedy, while another person with the same health problem but

differing

> body type and emotional state, may need that same remedy but at 60x

dilution

>

>

> So I would still be wondering, what exactly did the hospital give

> you--tincture or remedy. And was it a trained homeopath that gave

it to

> you--because then it might be given almost as a prescription.

>

> Samala

> Renee--hoping a trained homeopath will jump in here and fix my

mistakes. :-)

>

> ----

>

> HOWEVER; Belladonna is a toxic substance and the Drug Co. That

> Manufactured the Belladonna solution given to me at the E.R.

Was 'in

> The exact proper amounts and dosages for a female of my age and

> Weight. SO AS A PRECRIPTION; BELLADONNA IS SAFE USED AS DIRECTED.

>

> HERE ARE MY CONCERNS:

>

> 1. I do NOT believe you are corrcect when you say " There is nothing

> In the Homeopathic Remedies except water and the essence of the

Herb.

>

> I believe there IS an extract of the Herb in Homeopathic Solutions.

>

> 2. I believe you are CORRECT when you state the Bach and other

Flower

> Remedies do NOT contain any of the actual Herb;just The Essence and

> Water. Dr. Back began his work to help duaghter's depression.

>

> So my questions is this: If the Belladonna Berry (also called The

> Nightshade Plant) is a known Toxin; so Toxic that even just one

Berry

> Eaten by a child from the Nightshade plant can " kill a person " ; and

> If The Belladonna Berry is used in Homeopathy; which it is:

>

[Guest guest]

oh and ps The Belladonna was a prescription of Alkoloids(of

Belladonna); I read there are " 21 prescription brands of Belladonna

in the USA today. Belladonna is used to quell Stomach Cramping; and

it does work. I guess they dilute minute amounts in a cherry syrup;

atleast that is the form the prescription. I wouldn't take Bella

donna on my own for example; I wouldn't make a tea out of the leaves.

 

I would only make Teas out of Herbs I know are 100% safe;(edible).

Much of modern medicine is based on Herbs;or the Herb's structure.

 

For example: S.S.R.I.'s are based on the molecule of St.John's Wort!

, " Renee " <gaiacita

wrote:

>

> Again, remembering that I am NOT trained in homeopathy in any way--

just what

> little I have read on my own, maybe what they gave you in the

hospital was

> NOT homeopathic. Perhaps it was a tincture. In true homeopathy

there IS no

> detectable prime substance left. Period. That's why most doctors

will tell

> you homeopathy is quack science. If your doctor was NOT a trained

homeopath

> then he/she was probably not giving you a homeopathic remedy.

Mistletoe is

> toxic, but it is given to some cancer patients as a tincture by

professional

> herbalists. Too much of the tincture can make a person very, very

ill, so

> the herbalist must know what they are doing. But given in the right

> proportions (as you say for age and weight) then it is very

effective

> against cancer. Wrong doses will harm. This is not a homeopathic

remedy

> but an actual tincture with prime (mistletoe) detectable substance

in the

> liquid. A tincture is the plant steeped in alcohol and water.

Homeopathy

> is usually made by at least a 3x, meaning diluted 3 times, but more

often it

> is diluted much more than that. So, from my understanding, a

substance (we

> ll say an herb) is made in tincture form, of the herb and alcohol.

Then one

> drop of this tincture is put into 100 drops of water (or maybe

alcohol, I

> forget which) and succussed 100 times. Then one drop of that is

added to

> 100 drops of water and again shaken 100 times. Then this is done

again the

> third time for a 3x. So as you can see, there wouldn't be much of

the

> actual herb left--though I will admit that possibly there is at

only a 3x

> remedy. <shrug> Lots of remedies are 20 on up to 200x. The more

times it

> is removed from the original tincture the less and less of the

actual plant

> there is, until you would mathematically reach a point where no

plant

> material is detectable. At which x that happens I can't be sure

because as

> I said--I'm no homeopath. Perhaps one of the many homeopaths on

this list

> will correct me where I am at fault in my explanations.

>

> But as I said, from all that I have read, there's not suppose to be

any

> detectable prime material in any homeopathic remedy. Although I do

know

> that a trained homeopath will give you only a certain amount of any

remedy,

> based on your problem, weight, emotional state, etc. That is why

it takes

> them years to complete their training--so that they can pick not

only the

> right remedy based on your whole body situation (not just your

physical

> problem) but also the correct strength. Because the more the

remedy is

> diluted, the stronger it becomes!! Sounds backwards, but it's been

proven

> to be true. So one person with a certain health problem might only

need a

> 20x remedy, while another person with the same health problem but

differing

> body type and emotional state, may need that same remedy but at 60x

dilution

>

>

> So I would still be wondering, what exactly did the hospital give

> you--tincture or remedy. And was it a trained homeopath that gave

it to

> you--because then it might be given almost as a prescription.

>

> Samala

> Renee--hoping a trained homeopath will jump in here and fix my

mistakes. :-)

>

> ----

>

> HOWEVER; Belladonna is a toxic substance and the Drug Co. That

> Manufactured the Belladonna solution given to me at the E.R.

Was 'in

> The exact proper amounts and dosages for a female of my age and

> Weight. SO AS A PRECRIPTION; BELLADONNA IS SAFE USED AS DIRECTED.

>

> HERE ARE MY CONCERNS:

>

> 1. I do NOT believe you are corrcect when you say " There is nothing

> In the Homeopathic Remedies except water and the essence of the

Herb.

>

> I believe there IS an extract of the Herb in Homeopathic Solutions.

>

> 2. I believe you are CORRECT when you state the Bach and other

Flower

> Remedies do NOT contain any of the actual Herb;just The Essence and

> Water. Dr. Back began his work to help duaghter's depression.

>

> So my questions is this: If the Belladonna Berry (also called The

> Nightshade Plant) is a known Toxin; so Toxic that even just one

Berry

> Eaten by a child from the Nightshade plant can " kill a person " ; and

> If The Belladonna Berry is used in Homeopathy; which it is:

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Renee: When I see people spraying Dandelions instead of just

pulling them up; I " cringe. Atleast when my parents weeded Dandelions

they would pull them up (these were big wild native Dandelions) and

then toss them into the compost pile. I still regret not steaming

those Dandelions up every year. Supermarkets sell Dandelion Leaves!

 

One native crop I did get my hands on tho' was the Wild WaterCress

crop growing in the 'rents back field in Connecticut. The WaterCress

would grow so abudantly this watercress Herb would clog the Brooks.

 

We would harvest the WaterCress and keep it fresh in a vase of water.

 

Even city dwellers can cash in on edible crops; like Container

Tomatoes; one Cherry or Plum Tomato plant can yield 100's of Tomato!

 

ps I understand *Lycopene in Tomatoes is good for both men and women.

 

Pear Trees are also often overlooked; they like Cold Weather so Pear

Trees are an excellent choice for the Northern states; Apples too.

 

Apples are often thrown away;even though they could be dried. I would

like to see less waste by commercial food companies and see the by-

products such as *Extract of Whole Brown Rice Bran " be used. Anne.

, " Renee " <gaiacita

wrote:

>

> Oh, don't get me started. Lol If people only realized what they

were doing

> when they " weeded " their yards. Dandelion is a terrific herb for

the blood

> and a great diuretic. Chickweed is a wonderful lymph cleaner and

skin herb.

> Mullein is great for the lungs, etc. Most weeds have some type of

> benefit--either straight up as an herbal (I'm also a self-taught

herbalist

> wanna-be), or their flowers as essences. I hate to see people

spraying

> their yards for " weeds " . Sigh

>

> I just don't understand why people don't spend their money on edible

> landscaping. If you are going to plant something--plant something

useful!!

> Instead of just a shade tree, why not a good nut tree. You will

get shade

> and nuts, or a fruit tree--shade and fruit. Don't put up a fence--

plant a

> rose border or berry border. Both have stickers to keep people out

but both

> have medicinal and food uses. Don't just plant pretty flowers,

plant edible

> pretty flowers. There's so much a person can do in their yard to

make it

> look pretty AND useful. The plant world wants to help us, but most

people

> are so far removed from nature they have no idea anymore how to

make use of

> plants, especially wild native ones.

>

> Samala

> Renee

>

> ----

>

> Everyday I see people pulling up Medicinal Herbs and Beneficial

> Flowers. I see Mullein being pulled; I see Milk weed being pulled.

>

> Did you know Milk weed Leaves are where Monarch Butterflies lay

eggs

> And the Monarch Caterpillers only known food is the Milk weed Leaf?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne. Peach trees are a good choice because besides having delicious

fruit, the leaves can be used in skin care and burn creams! There's so much

the plant world offers us if we just took the time to learn. It's never too

late. Even in the big cities there are empty lots that have wild edible

weeds growing there. It all comes down to how much effort does a person want

to put into learning these wonders of nature--because now there are books

for every part of the country on wild edibles and medicinals.

 

Samala

Renee

 

----

 

Hi Renee: When I see people spraying Dandelions instead of just

Pulling them up; I " cringe. Atleast when my parents weeded Dandelions

They would pull them up (these were big wild native Dandelions) and

Then toss them into the compost pile. I still regret not steaming

Those Dandelions up every year. Supermarkets sell Dandelion Leaves!

 

One native crop I did get my hands on tho' was the Wild WaterCress

Crop growing in the 'rents back field in Connecticut. The WaterCress

Would grow so abudantly this watercress Herb would clog the Brooks.

 

We would harvest the WaterCress and keep it fresh in a vase of water.

 

Even city dwellers can cash in on edible crops; like Container

Tomatoes; one Cherry or Plum Tomato plant can yield 100's of Tomato!

 

PS I understand *Lycopene in Tomatoes is good for both men and women.

 

Pear Trees are also often overlooked; they like Cold Weather so Pear

Trees are an excellent choice for the Northern states; Apples too.

 

Apples are often thrown away;even though they could be dried. I would

Like to see less waste by commercial food companies and see the by-

Products such as *Extract of Whole Brown Rice Bran " be used. Anne.

---

[Guest guest]

Hey Anne. You are getting it! Of the 4 you mentioned extracts probably do

contain the most Of the plant. I personally like tinctures best as the

mixture of water and alcohol, made right, extract most all of the healing

constituents of any given herb. As far as capsules vs. Extracts or

tinctures, it depends on the situation, the person and the herb. Many of

the old herbalists would prescribe a tincture, but also tell the person to

eat the whole herb, or make a tea of the herb and add the tincture to it.

That's where training comes in. :-)

 

Samala

Renee

 

----

 

Hi Renee: and thank you for your reply. I found it interesting to

Read. I am glad I finally understand the concept of " Homeopathy; ESP.

The way Homeopathy " works. So from what I understand I would say:

 

*Flower Essences contain no amount of the Flower of herbal used.

" Homeopathies(may)have trace amounts of the original Herbal Extracts.

*Teas contain an undetermined amount of the original herb used.

*Extracts contain the highest amount of the orignal beneficial Herb.

 

Don't know if the caps of pure herbs are stronger than the Extracts.

[Guest guest]

Then you weren't getting a homeopathic remedy of belladonna, you were

getting an actual bit of the herb. Which is why they were so precise and why

it could have hurt you. It was probably a standardized extract of some type

 

 

Yes, if you haven't studied herbs then it is absolutely the best thing to

stick with the ones that you KNOW are safe. But remember--there can be

poison in different parts of the very safest of plants. You can eat the

stalk of rhubarb, but if you eat the leaf you will get sick. Same with

potatoes--eat the tuber but you'd better leave the above ground part alone.

So it is with " poisonous " plants--many parts of the plant are safe IF you

know what you are doing.

 

Samala

Renee

 

----

 

Oh and PS The Belladonna was a prescription of Alkoloids(of

Belladonna); I read there are " 21 prescription brands of Belladonna

In the USA today. Belladonna is used to quell Stomach Cramping; and

It does work. I guess they dilute minute amounts in a cherry syrup;

Atleast that is the form the prescription. I wouldn't take Bella

Donna on my own for example; I wouldn't make a tea out of the leaves.

[Guest guest]

Hi Renee: so the healing herb extracts would be best and the Teas

next best; possibly followed by the whole Herbs as an adjunct.

 

My question is: What is the dif. 'tween an Herbal Extract and

Tincture? Or are tinctures and extracts synomymos?

 

Some Herbalists mix Herbs. I would however first use one single Herb

such as Peppermint or Rose-Hips.

 

Take Rose-Hips for example; If a person had a flu: I would

recommend; " Fresh Fruit; plus Rose-Hips Tincture and whole herb caps

of Rose-Hips and then add Echinnacea caps (or tincutres or both).

 

Actually; I got my " training from the book Back to Eden by Jethro

Kloss. By reading the book and referring to it as " my herbal-bible: I

was able to understand the Healing Power of Herbs and Foods well.

 

In terms of administering Herbal formulas' amounts; that I do not

have any training.

 

I make Peppermint Tea thusly; Boil Water; add the leaves; let steep.

 

I make my Teas so strong they are almost like Herbal water extracts.

 

Any one can make a Tea out of any food grade Herb. Hint: Take the

outer leaves of Lettuce you may throw out;simmer in water for broth.

 

Try this: Take Sassafras Tree Leaves and boil;strain; " Free Herb-Tea !

, " Renee " <gaiacita

wrote:

>

> Hey Anne. You are getting it! Of the 4 you mentioned extracts

probably do

> contain the most Of the plant. I personally like tinctures best as

the

> mixture of water and alcohol, made right, extract most all of the

healing

> constituents of any given herb. As far as capsules vs. Extracts or

> tinctures, it depends on the situation, the person and the herb.

Many of

> the old herbalists would prescribe a tincture, but also tell the

person to

> eat the whole herb, or make a tea of the herb and add the tincture

to it.

> That's where training comes in. :-)

>

> Samala

> Renee

>

> ----

>

> Hi Renee: and thank you for your reply. I found it interesting to

> Read. I am glad I finally understand the concept of " Homeopathy;

ESP.

> The way Homeopathy " works. So from what I understand I would say:

>

> *Flower Essences contain no amount of the Flower of herbal used.

> " Homeopathies(may)have trace amounts of the original Herbal

Extracts.

> *Teas contain an undetermined amount of the original herb used.

> *Extracts contain the highest amount of the orignal beneficial

Herb.

>

> Don't know if the caps of pure herbs are stronger than the Extracts.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Keria;

 

I am glad I got this cleared up in my mind.

 

So Homepathy does NOT actually contain the extracts or physical

remants of the original Herbal used in the preparation.

 

So your refer to this as the Plant's Signature; a lovely concept;

something like the vibration of the plants healing DNA's imprint.

Thank you. Anne PS what's your opinion on Herbal extracts and Teas?

 

I guess Herbs and Flowers are so delicate their Healing Virtues are

often overlooked. It is good to meet people who understand Nature's

vast wealth of Natural Healing. Even Green or Black Tea is an Herb !--

- In , Keria Rossin <krossin

wrote:

>

> In response to your question on homeopathy.... Renee was quite

accurate....

> homeopathic remedies only contain the signature of the plant...

it's

> 'essence'. There is nothing left of the physical plant.

>

> Google 'how to make a homeopathic remedy' and you will be given

information

> on how this is accomplished. In fact, the higher the 'dose', the

less on

> the signature is there. For instance... 30C has more of the

signature of

> the plant than 200C, although 200C is much more potent.

>

> Keria

>

> Keria Rossin

> Administrative Assistant

> University of Michigan - TCAUP

> 2000 Bonisteel Blvd.

> Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2069

> T. 734.764.1300

> F. 734.763.2322

>

> Expect a miracle!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Renee; excellent info on the Peach Tree. The Leaves are also good

as a Tea. I really like your idea of planting Fruit Trees in vacant

lots. If everyone planted Fruit Trees on their properties; we could

put a dent in the Food monopoly the giant food producers have on us.

 

Not only that; but the food we grow would be free of pesticides. A. --

- In , " Renee " <gaiacita wrote:

>

> Hi Anne. Peach trees are a good choice because besides having

delicious

> fruit, the leaves can be used in skin care and burn creams! There's

so much

> the plant world offers us if we just took the time to learn. It's

never too

> late. Even in the big cities there are empty lots that have wild

edible

> weeds growing there. It all comes down to how much effort does a

person want

> to put into learning these wonders of nature--because now there are

books

> for every part of the country on wild edibles and medicinals.

>

> Samala

> Renee

>

> ----

>

> Hi Renee: When I see people spraying Dandelions instead of just

> Pulling them up; I " cringe. Atleast when my parents weeded

Dandelions

> They would pull them up (these were big wild native Dandelions) and

> Then toss them into the compost pile. I still regret not steaming

> Those Dandelions up every year. Supermarkets sell Dandelion Leaves!

>

> One native crop I did get my hands on tho' was the Wild WaterCress

> Crop growing in the 'rents back field in Connecticut. The

WaterCress

> Would grow so abudantly this watercress Herb would clog the Brooks.

>

> We would harvest the WaterCress and keep it fresh in a vase of

water.

>

> Even city dwellers can cash in on edible crops; like Container

> Tomatoes; one Cherry or Plum Tomato plant can yield 100's of

Tomato!

>

> PS I understand *Lycopene in Tomatoes is good for both men and

women.

>

> Pear Trees are also often overlooked; they like Cold Weather so

Pear

> Trees are an excellent choice for the Northern states; Apples too.

>

> Apples are often thrown away;even though they could be dried. I

would

> Like to see less waste by commercial food companies and see the by-

> Products such as *Extract of Whole Brown Rice Bran " be used. Anne.

> ---

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne.

Re: Herbal extract and teas.... my preference is extracts because those

work for me best. Each of us is different. Why not experiment with both.

I find teas are more gentle than extracts but to make an herbal tea

properly you should bring to a boil and steep it - the preferable method as

opposed to buying the tea bags. I also find that the teas are more

fragile. What I did do this summer was to grow some of my own herbs (sage,

thyme, etc.) and make my own teas. They were quite wonderful and

refreshing but I was not using them for medicinal purposes although I did

derive benefit from them.

 

Keria

 

Keria Rossin

Administrative Assistant

University of Michigan - TCAUP

2000 Bonisteel Blvd.

Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2069

T. 734.764.1300

F. 734.763.2322

 

Expect a miracle!

[Guest guest]

Usually an extract is a highly concentrated water tea--normally the tea is

allowed to evaporate (by low heat method) to at least half the amount.

Tincture is alcohol based. Both are very potent but tinctures last many,

many years without spoiling, due to the alcohol content.

 

Back to Eden was my first book too!! Long time ago, lol. There are a few

herbalists that are single herb practitioners. They truly think it's best

to do single herbs for healing. I like multiple herb tincs, myself, if I

feel like I need more than a certain herb. For mild indigestion peppermint

by itself is fine, but for chronic cases I'd be adding a couple other herbs

to help out. So for me, it depends on how bad the case is--how long the

problem has been going on. But the single herbalists feel that there is

more healing energy in the lone herb so they use it, and some of them now

are going to drop dosages rather than larger doses. Meaning they are using

full strength tinctures, but kind of in a homeopathic method, by giving only

one or two drops of the tincture instead of a whole dropper full or more. I

suppose everyone does what feels natural to them and it helps to be closely

tied to your herbs--talking to them, getting feelings from them. This is

actually how a " good " herbalist works--they feel the energy from the herbs

and go from there. It's a lifetime of learning as the plant world has so

much to teach us.

 

Samala

Renee

 

 

----

 

 

My question is: What is the dif. 'tween an Herbal Extract and

Tincture? Or are tinctures and extracts synomymos?

 

Some Herbalists mix Herbs. I would however first use one single Herb

Such as Peppermint or Rose-Hips.

 

Take Rose-Hips for example; If a person had a flu: I would

Recommend; " Fresh Fruit; plus Rose-Hips Tincture and whole herb caps

Of Rose-Hips and then add Echinnacea caps (or tincutres or both).

 

Actually; I got my " training from the book Back to Eden by Jethro

Kloss. By reading the book and referring to it as " my herbal-bible: I

Was able to understand the Healing Power of Herbs and Foods well.

[Guest guest]

I hope you have the older version of 'Back to Eden', the new one has

changed considerably, and is 'modernised' -Terrible.

 

 

 

 

, " Anne " <annroc2004

wrote:

>

> Hi Renee: so the healing herb extracts would be best and the Teas

> next best; possibly followed by the whole Herbs as an adjunct.

>

> My question is: What is the dif. 'tween an Herbal Extract and

> Tincture? Or are tinctures and extracts synomymos?

>

> Some Herbalists mix Herbs. I would however first use one single

Herb

> such as Peppermint or Rose-Hips.

>

> Take Rose-Hips for example; If a person had a flu: I would

> recommend; " Fresh Fruit; plus Rose-Hips Tincture and whole herb

caps

> of Rose-Hips and then add Echinnacea caps (or tincutres or both).

>

> Actually; I got my " training from the book Back to Eden by Jethro

> Kloss. By reading the book and referring to it as " my herbal-

bible: I

> was able to understand the Healing Power of Herbs and Foods well.

>

> In terms of administering Herbal formulas' amounts; that I do not

> have any training.

>

> I make Peppermint Tea thusly; Boil Water; add the leaves; let

steep.

>

> I make my Teas so strong they are almost like Herbal water

extracts.

>

> Any one can make a Tea out of any food grade Herb. Hint: Take the

> outer leaves of Lettuce you may throw out;simmer in water for

broth.

>

> Try this: Take Sassafras Tree Leaves and boil;strain; " Free Herb-

Tea !

> , " Renee " <gaiacita@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hey Anne. You are getting it! Of the 4 you mentioned extracts

> probably do

> > contain the most Of the plant. I personally like tinctures best

as

> the

> > mixture of water and alcohol, made right, extract most all of

the

> healing

> > constituents of any given herb. As far as capsules vs. Extracts

or

> > tinctures, it depends on the situation, the person and the

herb.

> Many of

> > the old herbalists would prescribe a tincture, but also tell the

> person to

> > eat the whole herb, or make a tea of the herb and add the

tincture

> to it.

> > That's where training comes in. :-)

> >

> > Samala

> > Renee

> >

> > ----

> >

> > Hi Renee: and thank you for your reply. I found it interesting

to

> > Read. I am glad I finally understand the concept of " Homeopathy;

> ESP.

> > The way Homeopathy " works. So from what I understand I would

say:

> >

> > *Flower Essences contain no amount of the Flower of herbal used.

> > " Homeopathies(may)have trace amounts of the original Herbal

> Extracts.

> > *Teas contain an undetermined amount of the original herb used.

> > *Extracts contain the highest amount of the orignal beneficial

> Herb.

> >

> > Don't know if the caps of pure herbs are stronger than the

Extracts.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Keria:

 

It is good to hear of people using and making Herbal extracts/Teas.

 

I mwan; who would know healing answers; us or Mother Nature !

 

Answer is obvious. Do the extracts contain Alcohol or is evaporated?

 

Thanks to you; Anne. I understand Spring is good for Herb Hunting. ---

In , Keria Rossin <krossin

wrote:

>

> Hi Anne.

> Re: Herbal extract and teas.... my preference is extracts because

those

> work for me best. Each of us is different. Why not experiment

with both.

> I find teas are more gentle than extracts but to make an herbal tea

> properly you should bring to a boil and steep it - the preferable

method as

> opposed to buying the tea bags. I also find that the teas are more

> fragile. What I did do this summer was to grow some of my own

herbs (sage,

> thyme, etc.) and make my own teas. They were quite wonderful and

> refreshing but I was not using them for medicinal purposes although

I did

> derive benefit from them.

>

> Keria

>

> Keria Rossin

> Administrative Assistant

> University of Michigan - TCAUP

> 2000 Bonisteel Blvd.

> Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2069

> T. 734.764.1300

> F. 734.763.2322

>

> Expect a miracle!

>

[Guest guest]

Yep, mine is from back in the 70's. Lol I suppose his family has had to

change things to not upset the FDA or AMA or something. sheesh

 

Samala

Renee

 

----

 

I hope you have the older version of 'Back to Eden', the new one has

Changed considerably, and is 'modernised' -Terrible.

[Guest guest]

Hello: and yes the version I studied was the original 1930's version.

, " tempo33x " <tempo33x

wrote:

>

>

> I hope you have the older version of 'Back to Eden', the new one

has

> changed considerably, and is 'modernised' -Terrible.

>

>

>

>

> , " Anne " <annroc2004@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Renee: so the healing herb extracts would be best and the Teas

> > next best; possibly followed by the whole Herbs as an adjunct.

> >

> > My question is: What is the dif. 'tween an Herbal Extract and

> > Tincture? Or are tinctures and extracts synomymos?

> >

> > Some Herbalists mix Herbs. I would however first use one single

> Herb

> > such as Peppermint or Rose-Hips.

> >

> > Take Rose-Hips for example; If a person had a flu: I would

> > recommend; " Fresh Fruit; plus Rose-Hips Tincture and whole herb

> caps

> > of Rose-Hips and then add Echinnacea caps (or tincutres or both).

> >

> > Actually; I got my " training from the book Back to Eden by Jethro

> > Kloss. By reading the book and referring to it as " my herbal-

> bible: I

> > was able to understand the Healing Power of Herbs and Foods well.

> >

> > In terms of administering Herbal formulas' amounts; that I do not

> > have any training.

> >

> > I make Peppermint Tea thusly; Boil Water; add the leaves; let

> steep.

> >

> > I make my Teas so strong they are almost like Herbal water

> extracts.

> >

> > Any one can make a Tea out of any food grade Herb. Hint: Take the

> > outer leaves of Lettuce you may throw out;simmer in water for

> broth.

> >

> > Try this: Take Sassafras Tree Leaves and boil;strain; " Free Herb-

> Tea !

> > , " Renee " <gaiacita@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hey Anne. You are getting it! Of the 4 you mentioned extracts

> > probably do

> > > contain the most Of the plant. I personally like tinctures

best

> as

> > the

> > > mixture of water and alcohol, made right, extract most all of

> the

> > healing

> > > constituents of any given herb. As far as capsules vs.

Extracts

> or

> > > tinctures, it depends on the situation, the person and the

> herb.

> > Many of

> > > the old herbalists would prescribe a tincture, but also tell

the

> > person to

> > > eat the whole herb, or make a tea of the herb and add the

> tincture

> > to it.

> > > That's where training comes in. :-)

> > >

> > > Samala

> > > Renee

> > >

> > > ----

> > >

> > > Hi Renee: and thank you for your reply. I found it interesting

> to

> > > Read. I am glad I finally understand the concept

of " Homeopathy;

> > ESP.

> > > The way Homeopathy " works. So from what I understand I would

> say:

> > >

> > > *Flower Essences contain no amount of the Flower of herbal

used.

> > > " Homeopathies(may)have trace amounts of the original Herbal

> > Extracts.

> > > *Teas contain an undetermined amount of the original herb used.

> > > *Extracts contain the highest amount of the orignal beneficial

> > Herb.

> > >

> > > Don't know if the caps of pure herbs are stronger than the

> Extracts.

> > >

> >

>