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Four years ago I suffered esophegeal bleeding and liver problems that

my doctors figured I would never recover from. I was in constant pain

so they put me on oxycontin. They said it didn't matter that it was

addictive. What was most important was that I was comfortable until my

passing.

Well, I didn't 'pass'. My young sons were much too important to me not

to go down without a fight. I'm not up to 'normal' standards but I plan

on rejoining the workforce soon. Problem is that I am now addicted to

the oxy.

I tried kicking but go through intense muscle spasms and pain. I think

if I could get some muscle relaxers and a quiet place for a few days I

could kick.

Any opinions?

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Withdrawl from narcotics is dangerous. Blood pressure

tends to increase along with other withdrawl symptoms

like you mentioned, halucinations, skin crawling

sensations, etc.

 

Detoxing is good but can also cause a severity in

withdrawls. My ex husband had to have something to

help him stay calm and not increase blood pressure.

Lots of water to drink to help flush the toxins, lots

of rest. He went cold turkey without other drugs, such

as the ones you mentioned, and it took him several

weeks before he could actually get up and move around

near normal. At that time we didn't have herbals to

help. Detoxing can come after you've done the

withdrawls. Addiction release work is also necessary.

 

 

Good Luck

Jenny Kernan

 

 

--- " M. Richmond " <rollouts wrote:

 

> Four years ago I suffered esophegeal bleeding and

> liver problems that

> my doctors figured I would never recover from. I was

> in constant pain

> so they put me on oxycontin. They said it didn't

> matter that it was

> addictive. What was most important was that I was

> comfortable until my

> passing.

> Well, I didn't 'pass'. My young sons were much too

> important to me not

> to go down without a fight. I'm not up to 'normal'

> standards but I plan

> on rejoining the workforce soon. Problem is that I

> am now addicted to

> the oxy.

> I tried kicking but go through intense muscle spasms

> and pain. I think

> if I could get some muscle relaxers and a quiet

> place for a few days I

> could kick.

> Any opinions?

>

>

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To M. Richmond,

Oxycontin is a seriously addictive drug. The fact that it came

from your doctor, and not from the street, doesn't change the issue

at hand. You have a serious addiction.

Find an community agency that does detox, or a private one if you

have insurance, and talk with them first.

You will find others there who have gotten addicted to

prescription drugs, even those prescribed by a doctor.

Depending on the amount you are taking and for how long,

it may not be a good idea to try to do this on your own.

A detox unit will give you drugs to block the effects of

withdrawal and may only take 2-3 days, although some keep you for

7-10 days. Then they can recommend follow up treatment.

Your doctor made a poor asumption. He gave you the oxycontin

based on the fact that he thought that you were dying and it did not

matter. Well, you fooled him. What the hell do doctors know anyway?

 

Namaste,

David

 

 

In , " M. Richmond " <rollouts

wrote:

>

> Four years ago I suffered esophegeal bleeding and liver problems

that

> my doctors figured I would never recover from. I was in constant

pain

> so they put me on oxycontin. They said it didn't matter that it

was

> addictive. What was most important was that I was comfortable

until my

> passing.

> Well, I didn't 'pass'. My young sons were much too important to me

not

> to go down without a fight. I'm not up to 'normal' standards but I

plan

> on rejoining the workforce soon. Problem is that I am now addicted

to

> the oxy.

> I tried kicking but go through intense muscle spasms and pain. I

think

> if I could get some muscle relaxers and a quiet place for a few

days I

> could kick.

> Any opinions?

>

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I am on that now and have been steadily for 5+ years. I have scoliosis and

congenital spinal stenosis and some naturally fused vertabrae. I know what you

mean, when I am not in need of the med, I have horrible leg spasms at night and

I don'tn know if I will ever be off of it due to my condition. But the muscle

relaxers do help I have noticed. He gave me Skelaxin, no problems with it and I

don't take it but once a day.

Lynn

 

 

" M. Richmond " <rollouts wrote:

Four years ago I suffered esophegeal bleeding and liver problems that

my doctors figured I would never recover from. I was in constant pain

so they put me on oxycontin. They said it didn't matter that it was

addictive. What was most important was that I was comfortable until my

passing.

Well, I didn't 'pass'. My young sons were much too important to me not

to go down without a fight. I'm not up to 'normal' standards but I plan

on rejoining the workforce soon. Problem is that I am now addicted to

the oxy.

I tried kicking but go through intense muscle spasms and pain. I think

if I could get some muscle relaxers and a quiet place for a few days I

could kick.

Any opinions?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lynn Latham

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My question is this --- why are people letting doctors turn them into

addicts? Just say no. Pain can be handled other ways without becoming a drug

addict.

My doctor gave me some of that stuff when I broke my nose and after one day

of taking it, I quit taking it and went to herbs. It made me very unstable

emotionally and did not really do much for the pain plus I was nauseated and

vomiting which did not help the broken nose. When I went back to him he tried to

give me more oxycodone and I refused the prescription. He did not tell me

that it was addictive which should be a CRIME. I found out later on what a

nasty medication it really is. Thank God that my body knew right off that it

was

bad for me. Is oxycontin the same stuff by a different name? Does anyone know?

I get so angry about this subject because American people are becoming

addicted to LEGAL Drugs. is this some kind of a conspiracy?War against drugs?

What's wrong with this picture?

Peace,

thyme

There are many herbs for pain. Wild lettuce, (which nauseates me) Jamaican

dogwood, Black Cohosh, White Willow, (which aspirin came from, except without

the side effects of aspirin), cramp bark and many more will turn up with

research on the Internet. Remember herbs take longer to work but do a better job

in the long run.

 

 

 

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Oxycontin is no more and no less addictive than many other substances,

ultram , heroin, etc. Obvious the gentleman realizes his body is addicted to

the substance. The fact that you almost equate him to the street level

peddling is part and parcel of the stigma attached to serious pain patients

and I find that reprehensible. Let me inform the addiction ignorant.

Mainstream detox centers by virtue of their existence does not mean they

are the best way to detox. They are the sanctioned institutions no more no

less. I am aware of one notable institution ( John Hopkins) that

utilizes what in my opinion is the same barbaric means of detox

methodologies the other detox centers use. Two patients detoxing officially

died ( one revived) not from the detox itself but because nurses that didn't

listen to the patients on the symptomology of a heart attack. Instant detox

is unavailable to many clients. It seems to be forgotten that this has

blossomed to be an industry that medical institutions have made. It is

always going to be an existing situations that there are plenty of pain

associated illnesses and the only way to treat them will be with medicine

that deal with the same receptors nature has outlined for the body. Before

big pharma civilizations used the same substances ( opium) and had the same

addiction problems..it is part and parcel of the beast. The fact that the

body stops making those chemicals is unfortunate and no fault of the patient

but rather than leave the patient in insufferable pain during illness the

responsible practitioner should tell the patient that they will likely

become physically addicted and tell them what to expect, how their body is

behaving and so on. Instead they are left to blow in the wind and then

stigmatize them for that! There is only one drug I am aware of that blocks

the pain effect of withdrawal but does not block the other symptoms. One

can detox themselves but should be aware that it will take time to do the

taper necessary and there are aides out there mainstreams will not use

and/or do not know about.

 

Perhaps the poster can enlighten us as to what drugs are utilized on the

allopathic detox process and how it works if I am in error.

 

 

medusa

 

 

 

 

-

" divya4753 " <divya4753

 

Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:04 PM

Re: Oxycodone addiction

 

 

> To M. Richmond,

> Oxycontin is a seriously addictive drug. The fact that it came

> from your doctor, and not from the street, doesn't change the issue

> at hand. You have a serious addiction.

> Find an community agency that does detox, or a private one if you

> have insurance, and talk with them first.

> You will find others there who have gotten addicted to

> prescription drugs, even those prescribed by a doctor.

> Depending on the amount you are taking and for how long,

> it may not be a good idea to try to do this on your own.

> A detox unit will give you drugs to block the effects of

> withdrawal and may only take 2-3 days, although some keep you for

> 7-10 days. Then they can recommend follow up treatment.

> Your doctor made a poor asumption. He gave you the oxycontin

> based on the fact that he thought that you were dying and it did not

> matter. Well, you fooled him. What the hell do doctors know anyway?

>

> Namaste,

>

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My husband is now in the throes of withdrawal. His Dr. gave him Ceboxone, a drug

to help him come off the Vicodin. This made him viloently ill. He stopped taking

it, but has been very sick and weak for weeks now. He also had his

antidepressants changed and this could be contributing. He's a mess. But it's

good (if I can call it that) to see that it takes a long time. We were wondering

what could be wrong with him. It's still the withdrawal thing. I wish he would

try homeopathy or something else but he won't.

Diane

 

 

 

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In a message dated 2/4/2007 9:24:01 A.M. Central Standard Time,

blue_texasgal writes:

 

 

 

 

I am on that now and have been steadily for 5+ years. I have scoliosis and

congenital spinal stenosis and some naturally fused vertabrae. I know what you

mean, when I am not in need of the med, I have horrible leg spasms at night

and I don'tn know if I will ever be off of it due to my condition. But the

muscle relaxers do help I have noticed. He gave me Skelaxin, no problems with

it and I don't take it but once a day.

Lynn

 

 

" M. Richmond " <_rollouts_ (rollouts) > wrote:

Four years ago I suffered esophegeal bleeding and liver problems that

my doctors figured I would never recover from. I was in constant pain

so they put me on oxycontin. They said it didn't matter that it was

addictive. What was most important was that I was comfortable until my

passing.

Well, I didn't 'pass'. My young sons were much too important to me not

to go down without a fight. I'm not up to 'normal' standards but I plan

on rejoining the workforce soon. Problem is that I am now addicted to

the oxy.

I tried kicking but go through intense muscle spasms and pain. I think

if I could get some muscle relaxers and a quiet place for a few days I

could kick.

Any opinions?

 

Lynn Latham

_blue_texasgal@blue_texa_ (blue_texasgal)

 

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A very unfortunate time to change antidepressant meds!

 

medusa

 

 

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" DA56 " <roba

 

Sunday, February 04, 2007 4:23 PM

Re: Oxycodone addiction

 

 

> My husband is now in the throes of withdrawal. His Dr. gave him Ceboxone,

> a drug to help him come off the Vicodin. This made him viloently ill. He

> stopped taking it, but has been very sick and weak for weeks now. He also

> had his antidepressants changed and this could be contributing. He's a

> mess. But it's good (if I can call it that) to see that it takes a long

> time. We were wondering what could be wrong with him. It's still the

> withdrawal thing. I wish he would try homeopathy or something else but he

> won't.

> Diane

>

>

>

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NONE of the herbs listed below have the immediate and identical level of

pain relief that an opiod can offer.! Period. There are some that are

close. As I used a

homeopathic remedy when under assault from intense gall bladder pain but it

did not suffice for the greater systemic pains that later besieged me. The

fact that you body rejected the drug more readily than other does not go to

the stance of how " bad " the drug is but rather it shows the peculiarities

some people's physiologies have. Yes you're dr. should have told you it was

addictive. I agree.

But other than that pain relief is a very personal thing and there are many

, many people living in horrific pain due to this kind of lynch mob

attitude. Others have chosen suicide due to lack of sufficient relief. I

wonder why it is only the terminally ill are totally allowed to indulge in

all the pain meds they want?? Why because they will likely die and there

will be no repercussions likely. A broken nose is all well and good and can

be dealt with on a much less level than oxy if one chooses...but I think the

moral of the story of this and other subject lines is........

 

It is a matter of choice. Don't choose for me and I won't choose for you.

Nobody feels our sufferings except us.

 

medusa

 

 

 

 

-

<RSchl44964

 

Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:03 PM

Re: Oxycodone addiction

 

 

> My question is this --- why are people letting doctors turn them into

> addicts? Just say no. Pain can be handled other ways without becoming a

> drug addict.

> My doctor gave me some of that stuff when I broke my nose and after one

> day

> of taking it, I quit taking it and went to herbs. It made me very unstable

> emotionally and did not really do much for the pain plus I was nauseated

> and

> vomiting which did not help the broken nose. When I went back to him he

> tried to

> give me more oxycodone and I refused the prescription. He did not tell me

> that it was addictive which should be a CRIME. I found out later on what

> a

> nasty medication it really is. Thank God that my body knew right off that

> it was

> bad for me. Is oxycontin the same stuff by a different name? Does anyone

> know?

> I get so angry about this subject because American people are becoming

> addicted to LEGAL Drugs. is this some kind of a conspiracy?War against

> drugs?

> What's wrong with this picture?

> Peace,

> thyme

> There are many herbs for pain. Wild lettuce, (which nauseates me) Jamaican

> dogwood, Black Cohosh, White Willow, (which aspirin came from, except

> without

> the side effects of aspirin), cramp bark and many more will turn up with

> research on the Internet. Remember herbs take longer to work but do a

> better job

> in the long run.

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Thank you for coming to my defense! I also was surprised by the person

who equated their broken nose to the pain I was going through while

coming close to death. I was hesitant to ask for an opinion from the

masses but thought this group was more enlightened than most others. As

far as I'm concerned, forget I even asked the question. I'll just do

what I first considered rather than start a battle in the group.

Good Luck!

 

 

, " medusa569 " <medusa569

wrote:

>

> Oxycontin is no more and no less addictive than many other

substances,

> ultram , heroin, etc. Obvious the gentleman realizes his body is

addicted to

> the substance. The fact that you almost equate him to the street

level

> peddling is part and parcel of the stigma attached to serious pain

patients

> and I find that reprehensible. Let me inform the addiction ignorant.

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Oxycontin is highly addictive and in recent months the

reason for so many pharmacy robberies. Every time I've

heard of a pharmacy being held up it was for this

drug. It's one of the strongest pain prescriptions on

the market and one of the highest demand on the black

market. In my opinion it is every bit as addicting and

difficult to detox from as heroin. Withdrawls from it

can be just as harsh and dangerous as heroin.

 

http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/infopage/oxycontin/

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxycontin

 

Jenny Kernan

 

--- RSchl44964 wrote:

 

> My question is this --- why are people letting

> doctors turn them into

> addicts? Just say no. Pain can be handled other ways

> without becoming a drug addict.

> My doctor gave me some of that stuff when I broke my

> nose and after one day

> of taking it, I quit taking it and went to herbs. It

> made me very unstable

> emotionally and did not really do much for the pain

> plus I was nauseated and

> vomiting which did not help the broken nose. When I

> went back to him he tried to

> give me more oxycodone and I refused the

> prescription. He did not tell me

> that it was addictive which should be a CRIME. I

> found out later on what a

> nasty medication it really is. Thank God that my

> body knew right off that it was

> bad for me. Is oxycontin the same stuff by a

> different name? Does anyone know?

> I get so angry about this subject because American

> people are becoming

> addicted to LEGAL Drugs. is this some kind of a

> conspiracy?War against drugs?

> What's wrong with this picture?

> Peace,

> thyme

> There are many herbs for pain. Wild lettuce, (which

> nauseates me) Jamaican

> dogwood, Black Cohosh, White Willow, (which aspirin

> came from, except without

> the side effects of aspirin), cramp bark and many

> more will turn up with

> research on the Internet. Remember herbs take longer

> to work but do a better job

> in the long run.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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It has the same addictive properties as any other agent including ultram

which is being given out with the disclaimer that it is NOT addictive! Sadly

the patients are finding out differently. The fact that it is the favorered

pilfered drug of the hour does not speak to its potency or level of

addictiveness. I suspect that its targeted as it is now the general next

step advanced in pain management with its lesser forms and its " on the

shelves " although that is now being affected as well along with its

prescription availability. It is no stronger than any other opiod. Physical

withdrawal from heroin is worse although any withdrawal IMO is to be taken

seriously and respectfully.not being flavored with FDA propaganda that is

touting the agenda of the day.

 

medusa

 

 

 

 

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" Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana

 

Sunday, February 04, 2007 8:25 PM

Re: Re: Oxycodone addiction

 

 

> Oxycontin is highly addictive and in recent months the

> reason for so many pharmacy robberies. Every time I've

> heard of a pharmacy being held up it was for this

> drug. It's one of the strongest pain prescriptions on

> the market and one of the highest demand on the black

> market. In my opinion it is every bit as addicting and

> difficult to detox from as heroin. Withdrawls from it

> can be just as harsh and dangerous as heroin.

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Speaking from personal experience I will have to

disagree with your statement " It is no stronger than

> any other opiod " Oxycontin is now available at such

a high dosage that most people who would even think

about taking it at that dose would immediately

overdose!

 

I have a friend who is a surgical tech and surgical

instructor who was telling me about this. 80 mg pill

would have to be cut into 16 pieces to make this a low

enough dose for someone who was not addicted or had a

very high tolerance to it. One 80mg tablet can easily

cause overdose.

 

And heroin withdrawl and opiate withdrawl are similar

in that they are the same chemicals. Methadone is more

addictive than heroine and is worst to withdrawl from

in my personal experience watching what the ex and

other good friends went through when they came back

from Nam with a bad habit.

 

Jenny Kernan

 

--- medusa569 <medusa569 wrote:

 

> It has the same addictive properties as any other

> agent including ultram

> which is being given out with the disclaimer that it

> is NOT addictive! Sadly

> the patients are finding out differently. The fact

> that it is the favorered

> pilfered drug of the hour does not speak to its

> potency or level of

> addictiveness. I suspect that its targeted as it is

> now the general next

> step advanced in pain management with its lesser

> forms and its " on the

> shelves " although that is now being affected as well

> along with its

> prescription availability. It is no stronger than

> any other opiod. Physical

> withdrawal from heroin is worse although any

> withdrawal IMO is to be taken

> seriously and respectfully.not being flavored with

> FDA propaganda that is

> touting the agenda of the day.

>

> medusa

>

>

>

>

> -

> " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana

>

> Sunday, February 04, 2007 8:25 PM

> Re: Re: Oxycodone

> addiction

>

>

> > Oxycontin is highly addictive and in recent months

> the

> > reason for so many pharmacy robberies. Every time

> I've

> > heard of a pharmacy being held up it was for this

> > drug. It's one of the strongest pain prescriptions

> on

> > the market and one of the highest demand on the

> black

> > market. In my opinion it is every bit as addicting

> and

> > difficult to detox from as heroin. Withdrawls from

> it

> > can be just as harsh and dangerous as heroin.

>

>

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The fact that a drug is available at a particular strength among others does

not speak to the fact of its addictive properties. It is not the only drug

available at higher dosages and frankly anyone getting 80 mgs tablets and

then cutting them up are not familiar with the correct usage of the drug

aside from the fact of the huge disparity between its minimal dosage (5mg)

and the 80 mg pills. I have heard also that methadone is just as much a

problem to kick from and perhaps at this point we become embroiled in a

matters of opinions of which

kick is worse. I don't see the point because its like trying to decided

which kind of pain is worse. Pain is pain and it all deserves respect and

adequate care on a patient by patient basis. Withdrawal also deserves the

care and respect to try and ensure the patient suffers as little as

possible. Unfortunately though some practioniers have a different attitude

and will mark any and every addict equivalent with street addicts who seek

out the drugs for the high or escape it offers versus true pain patients.

Some drs seek to punish the addict to " teach them a lesson they won't

forget. " For me the worse enemy in this scenario aside from the FDA is the

" street addicts " which make it a dismal scene for a great many pain

patients.

 

 

medusa

 

 

" Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana

" Oxycontin is now available at such

> a high dosage that most people who would even think

> about taking it at that dose would immediately

> overdose!

>

> I have a friend who is a surgical tech and surgical

> instructor who was telling me about this. 80 mg pill

> would have to be cut into 16 pieces to make this a low

> enough dose for someone who was not addicted or had a

> very high tolerance to it. One 80mg tablet can easily

> cause overdose.

>

> And heroin withdrawl and opiate withdrawl are similar

> in that they are the same chemicals. Methadone is more

> addictive than heroine and is worst to withdrawl from

> in my personal experience watching what the ex and

> other good friends went through when they came back

> from Nam with a bad habit.

>

> Jenny Kernan

>

> --- medusa569 <medusa569 wrote:

>

>> It has the same addictive properties as any other

>> agent including ultram

>> which is being given out with the disclaimer that it

>> is NOT addictive! Sadly

>> the patients are finding out differently. The fact

>> that it is the favorered

>> pilfered drug of the hour does not speak to its

>> potency or level of

>> addictiveness. I suspect that its targeted as it is

>> now the general next

>> step advanced in pain management with its lesser

>> forms and its " on the

>> shelves " although that is now being affected as well

>> along with its

>> prescription availability. It is no stronger than

>> any other opiod. Physical

>> withdrawal from heroin is worse although any

>> withdrawal IMO is to be taken

>> seriously and respectfully.not being flavored with

>> FDA propaganda that is

>> touting the agenda of the day.

>>

>> medusa

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> -

>> " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana

>>

>> Sunday, February 04, 2007 8:25 PM

>> Re: Re: Oxycodone

>> addiction

>>

>>

>> > Oxycontin is highly addictive and in recent months

>> the

>> > reason for so many pharmacy robberies. Every time

>> I've

>> > heard of a pharmacy being held up it was for this

>> > drug. It's one of the strongest pain prescriptions

>> on

>> > the market and one of the highest demand on the

>> black

>> > market. In my opinion it is every bit as addicting

>> and

>> > difficult to detox from as heroin. Withdrawls from

>> it

>> > can be just as harsh and dangerous as heroin.

>>

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Being a practitioner working with addiction requires

not only compassion, but an understanding of the

addiction process. Be it street abuse or dr induced

addiction...in all it's the same...addiction!

 

Jenny Kernan

 

 

 

--- medusa569 <medusa569 wrote:

 

> The fact that a drug is available at a particular

> strength among others does

> not speak to the fact of its addictive properties.

> It is not the only drug

> available at higher dosages and frankly anyone

> getting 80 mgs tablets and

> then cutting them up are not familiar with the

> correct usage of the drug

> aside from the fact of the huge disparity between

> its minimal dosage (5mg)

> and the 80 mg pills. I have heard also that

> methadone is just as much a

> problem to kick from and perhaps at this point we

> become embroiled in a

> matters of opinions of which

> kick is worse. I don't see the point because its

> like trying to decided

> which kind of pain is worse. Pain is pain and it all

> deserves respect and

> adequate care on a patient by patient basis.

> Withdrawal also deserves the

> care and respect to try and ensure the patient

> suffers as little as

> possible. Unfortunately though some practioniers

> have a different attitude

> and will mark any and every addict equivalent with

> street addicts who seek

> out the drugs for the high or escape it offers

> versus true pain patients.

> Some drs seek to punish the addict to " teach them a

> lesson they won't

> forget. " For me the worse enemy in this scenario

> aside from the FDA is the

> " street addicts " which make it a dismal scene for a

> great many pain

> patients.

>

>

> medusa

>

>

> " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana

> " Oxycontin is now available at such

> > a high dosage that most people who would even

> think

> > about taking it at that dose would immediately

> > overdose!

> >

> > I have a friend who is a surgical tech and

> surgical

> > instructor who was telling me about this. 80 mg

> pill

> > would have to be cut into 16 pieces to make this a

> low

> > enough dose for someone who was not addicted or

> had a

> > very high tolerance to it. One 80mg tablet can

> easily

> > cause overdose.

> >

> > And heroin withdrawl and opiate withdrawl are

> similar

> > in that they are the same chemicals. Methadone is

> more

> > addictive than heroine and is worst to withdrawl

> from

> > in my personal experience watching what the ex and

> > other good friends went through when they came

> back

> > from Nam with a bad habit.

> >

> > Jenny Kernan

> >

> > --- medusa569 <medusa569 wrote:

> >

> >> It has the same addictive properties as any other

> >> agent including ultram

> >> which is being given out with the disclaimer that

> it

> >> is NOT addictive! Sadly

> >> the patients are finding out differently. The

> fact

> >> that it is the favorered

> >> pilfered drug of the hour does not speak to its

> >> potency or level of

> >> addictiveness. I suspect that its targeted as it

> is

> >> now the general next

> >> step advanced in pain management with its lesser

> >> forms and its " on the

> >> shelves " although that is now being affected as

> well

> >> along with its

> >> prescription availability. It is no stronger than

> >> any other opiod. Physical

> >> withdrawal from heroin is worse although any

> >> withdrawal IMO is to be taken

> >> seriously and respectfully.not being flavored

> with

> >> FDA propaganda that is

> >> touting the agenda of the day.

> >>

> >> medusa

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> -

> >> " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana

> >>

> >> Sunday, February 04, 2007 8:25 PM

> >> Re: Re: Oxycodone

> >> addiction

> >>

> >>

> >> > Oxycontin is highly addictive and in recent

> months

> >> the

> >> > reason for so many pharmacy robberies. Every

> time

> >> I've

> >> > heard of a pharmacy being held up it was for

> this

> >> > drug. It's one of the strongest pain

> prescriptions

> >> on

> >> > the market and one of the highest demand on the

> >> black

> >> > market. In my opinion it is every bit as

> addicting

> >> and

> >> > difficult to detox from as heroin. Withdrawls

> from

> >> it

> >> > can be just as harsh and dangerous as heroin.

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

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I'm not sure how this conversation started because I'm really new to the group.

However, being a chronic pain sufferer myself due to a near fatal accident 8

years ago, I am very defensive about pain meds. The rules right now that govern

pain meds are very restrictive but they only hurt those that want to get the

medication honestly. The people who have less than honest intentions will get it

regardless. I have come to accept addiction as part of my life because of the

pain I experience when I don't take it. I'm trying hypnotherapy, I practice yoga

and meditate; all to reduce my need for the medication but the pain persists.

When the choice is to enjoy life and be a functioning person vs. lying on my bed

with hot pads, I'll take the medication and the unfortunate addiction.

 

 

medusa569 <medusa569

 

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 6:39:33 AM

Re: Re: Oxycodone addiction

 

The fact that a drug is available at a particular strength among others does

not speak to the fact of its addictive properties. It is not the only drug

available at higher dosages and frankly anyone getting 80 mgs tablets and

then cutting them up are not familiar with the correct usage of the drug

aside from the fact of the huge disparity between its minimal dosage (5mg)

and the 80 mg pills. I have heard also that methadone is just as much a

problem to kick from and perhaps at this point we become embroiled in a

matters of opinions of which

kick is worse. I don't see the point because its like trying to decided

which kind of pain is worse. Pain is pain and it all deserves respect and

adequate care on a patient by patient basis. Withdrawal also deserves the

care and respect to try and ensure the patient suffers as little as

possible. Unfortunately though some practioniers have a different attitude

and will mark any and every addict equivalent with street addicts who seek

out the drugs for the high or escape it offers versus true pain patients.

Some drs seek to punish the addict to " teach them a lesson they won't

forget. " For me the worse enemy in this scenario aside from the FDA is the

" street addicts " which make it a dismal scene for a great many pain

patients.

 

medusa

 

" Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana >

" Oxycontin is now available at such

> a high dosage that most people who would even think

> about taking it at that dose would immediately

> overdose!

>

> I have a friend who is a surgical tech and surgical

> instructor who was telling me about this. 80 mg pill

> would have to be cut into 16 pieces to make this a low

> enough dose for someone who was not addicted or had a

> very high tolerance to it. One 80mg tablet can easily

> cause overdose.

>

> And heroin withdrawl and opiate withdrawl are similar

> in that they are the same chemicals. Methadone is more

> addictive than heroine and is worst to withdrawl from

> in my personal experience watching what the ex and

> other good friends went through when they came back

> from Nam with a bad habit.

>

> Jenny Kernan

>

> --- medusa569 <medusa569 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

>

>> It has the same addictive properties as any other

>> agent including ultram

>> which is being given out with the disclaimer that it

>> is NOT addictive! Sadly

>> the patients are finding out differently. The fact

>> that it is the favorered

>> pilfered drug of the hour does not speak to its

>> potency or level of

>> addictiveness. I suspect that its targeted as it is

>> now the general next

>> step advanced in pain management with its lesser

>> forms and its " on the

>> shelves " although that is now being affected as well

>> along with its

>> prescription availability. It is no stronger than

>> any other opiod. Physical

>> withdrawal from heroin is worse although any

>> withdrawal IMO is to be taken

>> seriously and respectfully. not being flavored with

>> FDA propaganda that is

>> touting the agenda of the day.

>>

>> medusa

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> -

>> " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana >

>> <>

>> Sunday, February 04, 2007 8:25 PM

>> Re: Re: Oxycodone

>> addiction

>>

>>

>> > Oxycontin is highly addictive and in recent months

>> the

>> > reason for so many pharmacy robberies. Every time

>> I've

>> > heard of a pharmacy being held up it was for this

>> > drug. It's one of the strongest pain prescriptions

>> on

>> > the market and one of the highest demand on the

>> black

>> > market. In my opinion it is every bit as addicting

>> and

>> > difficult to detox from as heroin. Withdrawls from

>> it

>> > can be just as harsh and dangerous as heroin.

>>

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Hi Michelle,

I am sorry to hear about your accident.

 

There are several other alternatives that may help you to manage pain.

Acupuncture is used for pain management and often paid for by

accident insurance.

Yoga is good. Tai Chi can be of real help. Also some Tai Chi

practitioners practice Chi Kung energy healing. Or find a chi gung

master healer to work with.

Wearing magnets(Nikken) or tachion beads can help on the body

or as inserts in your shoes.

Swimming and gentile water exercise helps some.

Namaste,

David

 

 

In , michelle franulovich

<mrsfranulovich wrote:

>

> I'm not sure how this conversation started because I'm really new to

the group. However, being a chronic pain sufferer myself due to a near

fatal accident 8 years ago, I am very defensive about pain meds. The

rules right now that govern pain meds are very restrictive but they

only hurt those that want to get the medication honestly. The people

who have less than honest intentions will get it regardless. I have

come to accept addiction as part of my life because of the pain I

experience when I don't take it. I'm trying hypnotherapy, I practice

yoga and meditate; all to reduce my need for the medication but the

pain persists. When the choice is to enjoy life and be a functioning

person vs. lying on my bed with hot pads, I'll take the medication and

the unfortunate addiction.

>

>

> medusa569 <medusa569

>

> Tuesday, February 6, 2007 6:39:33 AM

> Re: Re: Oxycodone addiction

>

> The fact that a drug is available at a particular strength among

others does

> not speak to the fact of its addictive properties. It is not the

only drug

> available at higher dosages and frankly anyone getting 80 mgs

tablets and

> then cutting them up are not familiar with the correct usage of the

drug

> aside from the fact of the huge disparity between its minimal dosage

(5mg)

> and the 80 mg pills. I have heard also that methadone is just as much a

> problem to kick from and perhaps at this point we become embroiled in a

> matters of opinions of which

> kick is worse. I don't see the point because its like trying to decided

> which kind of pain is worse. Pain is pain and it all deserves

respect and

> adequate care on a patient by patient basis. Withdrawal also

deserves the

> care and respect to try and ensure the patient suffers as little as

> possible. Unfortunately though some practioniers have a different

attitude

> and will mark any and every addict equivalent with street addicts

who seek

> out the drugs for the high or escape it offers versus true pain

patients.

> Some drs seek to punish the addict to " teach them a lesson they won't

> forget. " For me the worse enemy in this scenario aside from the FDA

is the

> " street addicts " which make it a dismal scene for a great many pain

> patients.

>

> medusa

>

> " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana >

> " Oxycontin is now available at such

> > a high dosage that most people who would even think

> > about taking it at that dose would immediately

> > overdose!

> >

> > I have a friend who is a surgical tech and surgical

> > instructor who was telling me about this. 80 mg pill

> > would have to be cut into 16 pieces to make this a low

> > enough dose for someone who was not addicted or had a

> > very high tolerance to it. One 80mg tablet can easily

> > cause overdose.

> >

> > And heroin withdrawl and opiate withdrawl are similar

> > in that they are the same chemicals. Methadone is more

> > addictive than heroine and is worst to withdrawl from

> > in my personal experience watching what the ex and

> > other good friends went through when they came back

> > from Nam with a bad habit.

> >

> > Jenny Kernan

> >

> > --- medusa569 <medusa569 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

> >

> >> It has the same addictive properties as any other

> >> agent including ultram

> >> which is being given out with the disclaimer that it

> >> is NOT addictive! Sadly

> >> the patients are finding out differently. The fact

> >> that it is the favorered

> >> pilfered drug of the hour does not speak to its

> >> potency or level of

> >> addictiveness. I suspect that its targeted as it is

> >> now the general next

> >> step advanced in pain management with its lesser

> >> forms and its " on the

> >> shelves " although that is now being affected as well

> >> along with its

> >> prescription availability. It is no stronger than

> >> any other opiod. Physical

> >> withdrawal from heroin is worse although any

> >> withdrawal IMO is to be taken

> >> seriously and respectfully. not being flavored with

> >> FDA propaganda that is

> >> touting the agenda of the day.

> >>

> >> medusa

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> -

> >> " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana >

> >> <>

> >> Sunday, February 04, 2007 8:25 PM

> >> Re: Re: Oxycodone

> >> addiction

> >>

> >>

> >> > Oxycontin is highly addictive and in recent months

> >> the

> >> > reason for so many pharmacy robberies. Every time

> >> I've

> >> > heard of a pharmacy being held up it was for this

> >> > drug. It's one of the strongest pain prescriptions

> >> on

> >> > the market and one of the highest demand on the

> >> black

> >> > market. In my opinion it is every bit as addicting

> >> and

> >> > difficult to detox from as heroin. Withdrawls from

> >> it

> >> > can be just as harsh and dangerous as heroin.

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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Hi All,

I to have been in a bad accident going on 6 years in April.The

thing is, for the first year iI was pumped up on all kinds of meds,I

stopped taking them for 2 reasons 1) My daughter,she was in the car

with me when the accident happened.She was fine except for a bump on

her head.(thank god)..2)I was unable to do anything,mental capacity

dropped to almost nothing,physically I felt worse.I lost 50 pounds

of muscle mass in that year,The loss of this left me weak.I have

been through the electro-stimulators,nerve blocks and everything

else they can put someone through,nothing worked.The doctors tell me

its in my head.What can I say,thats where headaches usually are(

DUH).I refuse to take anything since then and although I live in

constant pain, I believe if everyone would just stop taking meds and

started looking into a different way of dealing with the pain and

discomfort,not only will the prices come down but the amount of

people addicted to them will be far less than it is now...I am a

massage therapist,and I see people every day with cronic pain.After

working on them for an hour or so,they see a change,not only in the

pain level but also in the range of motion and ability to function

in active daily living situations.True this is not a cure all nor is

it a quick fix,but it does help as I have seen results myself first

hand.So next time you are in pain,instead of reaching for the bottle

of meds,pick up a phone book and find a massage therapist,you never

know what you will experience.

Thank you for reading this

Frank

Feel Better

 

 

 

 

, michelle franulovich

<mrsfranulovich wrote:

>

> I'm not sure how this conversation started because I'm really new

to the group. However, being a chronic pain sufferer myself due to a

near fatal accident 8 years ago, I am very defensive about pain

meds. The rules right now that govern pain meds are very restrictive

but they only hurt those that want to get the medication honestly.

The people who have less than honest intentions will get it

regardless. I have come to accept addiction as part of my life

because of the pain I experience when I don't take it. I'm trying

hypnotherapy, I practice yoga and meditate; all to reduce my need

for the medication but the pain persists. When the choice is to

enjoy life and be a functioning person vs. lying on my bed with hot

pads, I'll take the medication and the unfortunate addiction.

>

>

> medusa569 <medusa569

>

> Tuesday, February 6, 2007 6:39:33 AM

> Re: Re: Oxycodone addiction

>

> The fact that a drug is available at a particular strength among

others does

> not speak to the fact of its addictive properties. It is not the

only drug

> available at higher dosages and frankly anyone getting 80 mgs

tablets and

> then cutting them up are not familiar with the correct usage of

the drug

> aside from the fact of the huge disparity between its minimal

dosage (5mg)

> and the 80 mg pills. I have heard also that methadone is just as

much a

> problem to kick from and perhaps at this point we become embroiled

in a

> matters of opinions of which

> kick is worse. I don't see the point because its like trying to

decided

> which kind of pain is worse. Pain is pain and it all deserves

respect and

> adequate care on a patient by patient basis. Withdrawal also

deserves the

> care and respect to try and ensure the patient suffers as little as

> possible. Unfortunately though some practioniers have a different

attitude

> and will mark any and every addict equivalent with street addicts

who seek

> out the drugs for the high or escape it offers versus true pain

patients.

> Some drs seek to punish the addict to " teach them a lesson they

won't

> forget. " For me the worse enemy in this scenario aside from the

FDA is the

> " street addicts " which make it a dismal scene for a great many pain

> patients.

>

> medusa

>

> " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana >

> " Oxycontin is now available at such

> > a high dosage that most people who would even think

> > about taking it at that dose would immediately

> > overdose!

> >

> > I have a friend who is a surgical tech and surgical

> > instructor who was telling me about this. 80 mg pill

> > would have to be cut into 16 pieces to make this a low

> > enough dose for someone who was not addicted or had a

> > very high tolerance to it. One 80mg tablet can easily

> > cause overdose.

> >

> > And heroin withdrawl and opiate withdrawl are similar

> > in that they are the same chemicals. Methadone is more

> > addictive than heroine and is worst to withdrawl from

> > in my personal experience watching what the ex and

> > other good friends went through when they came back

> > from Nam with a bad habit.

> >

> > Jenny Kernan

> >

> > --- medusa569 <medusa569 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

> >

> >> It has the same addictive properties as any other

> >> agent including ultram

> >> which is being given out with the disclaimer that it

> >> is NOT addictive! Sadly

> >> the patients are finding out differently. The fact

> >> that it is the favorered

> >> pilfered drug of the hour does not speak to its

> >> potency or level of

> >> addictiveness. I suspect that its targeted as it is

> >> now the general next

> >> step advanced in pain management with its lesser

> >> forms and its " on the

> >> shelves " although that is now being affected as well

> >> along with its

> >> prescription availability. It is no stronger than

> >> any other opiod. Physical

> >> withdrawal from heroin is worse although any

> >> withdrawal IMO is to be taken

> >> seriously and respectfully. not being flavored with

> >> FDA propaganda that is

> >> touting the agenda of the day.

> >>

> >> medusa

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> -

> >> " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana >

> >> <>

> >> Sunday, February 04, 2007 8:25 PM

> >> Re: Re: Oxycodone

> >> addiction

> >>

> >>

> >> > Oxycontin is highly addictive and in recent months

> >> the

> >> > reason for so many pharmacy robberies. Every time

> >> I've

> >> > heard of a pharmacy being held up it was for this

> >> > drug. It's one of the strongest pain prescriptions

> >> on

> >> > the market and one of the highest demand on the

> >> black

> >> > market. In my opinion it is every bit as addicting

> >> and

> >> > difficult to detox from as heroin. Withdrawls from

> >> it

> >> > can be just as harsh and dangerous as heroin.

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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You're so right Frank! Massage therapist, Structural

therapist...Biofeedback Therapist...the problem is

medical insurance pays for Medical Doctors and pain

meds. A lot of them will not pay for Massage Therapy,

or Biofeedback or other alternatives, even something

like Chiropractic care.

 

Jenny Kernan

 

--- Frank <glasswizard2002 wrote:

 

> Hi All,

> I to have been in a bad accident going on 6 years

> in April.The

> thing is, for the first year iI was pumped up on all

> kinds of meds,I

> stopped taking them for 2 reasons 1) My daughter,she

> was in the car

> with me when the accident happened.She was fine

> except for a bump on

> her head.(thank god)..2)I was unable to do

> anything,mental capacity

> dropped to almost nothing,physically I felt worse.I

> lost 50 pounds

> of muscle mass in that year,The loss of this left me

> weak.I have

> been through the electro-stimulators,nerve blocks

> and everything

> else they can put someone through,nothing worked.The

> doctors tell me

> its in my head.What can I say,thats where headaches

> usually are(

> DUH).I refuse to take anything since then and

> although I live in

> constant pain, I believe if everyone would just stop

> taking meds and

> started looking into a different way of dealing with

> the pain and

> discomfort,not only will the prices come down but

> the amount of

> people addicted to them will be far less than it is

> now...I am a

> massage therapist,and I see people every day with

> cronic pain.After

> working on them for an hour or so,they see a

> change,not only in the

> pain level but also in the range of motion and

> ability to function

> in active daily living situations.True this is not a

> cure all nor is

> it a quick fix,but it does help as I have seen

> results myself first

> hand.So next time you are in pain,instead of

> reaching for the bottle

> of meds,pick up a phone book and find a massage

> therapist,you never

> know what you will experience.

> Thank you for

> reading this

> Frank

> Feel

> Better

>

>

>

>

> , michelle

> franulovich

> <mrsfranulovich wrote:

> >

> > I'm not sure how this conversation started because

> I'm really new

> to the group. However, being a chronic pain sufferer

> myself due to a

> near fatal accident 8 years ago, I am very defensive

> about pain

> meds. The rules right now that govern pain meds are

> very restrictive

> but they only hurt those that want to get the

> medication honestly.

> The people who have less than honest intentions will

> get it

> regardless. I have come to accept addiction as part

> of my life

> because of the pain I experience when I don't take

> it. I'm trying

> hypnotherapy, I practice yoga and meditate; all to

> reduce my need

> for the medication but the pain persists. When the

> choice is to

> enjoy life and be a functioning person vs. lying on

> my bed with hot

> pads, I'll take the medication and the unfortunate

> addiction.

> >

> >

> > medusa569 <medusa569

> >

> > Tuesday, February 6, 2007 6:39:33 AM

> > Re: Re: Oxycodone

> addiction

> >

> > The fact that a drug is available at a particular

> strength among

> others does

> > not speak to the fact of its addictive properties.

> It is not the

> only drug

> > available at higher dosages and frankly anyone

> getting 80 mgs

> tablets and

> > then cutting them up are not familiar with the

> correct usage of

> the drug

> > aside from the fact of the huge disparity between

> its minimal

> dosage (5mg)

> > and the 80 mg pills. I have heard also that

> methadone is just as

> much a

> > problem to kick from and perhaps at this point we

> become embroiled

> in a

> > matters of opinions of which

> > kick is worse. I don't see the point because its

> like trying to

> decided

> > which kind of pain is worse. Pain is pain and it

> all deserves

> respect and

> > adequate care on a patient by patient basis.

> Withdrawal also

> deserves the

> > care and respect to try and ensure the patient

> suffers as little as

> > possible. Unfortunately though some practioniers

> have a different

> attitude

> > and will mark any and every addict equivalent with

> street addicts

> who seek

> > out the drugs for the high or escape it offers

> versus true pain

> patients.

> > Some drs seek to punish the addict to " teach them

> a lesson they

> won't

> > forget. " For me the worse enemy in this scenario

> aside from the

> FDA is the

> > " street addicts " which make it a dismal scene for

> a great many pain

> > patients.

> >

> > medusa

> >

> > " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana >

> > " Oxycontin is now available at such

> > > a high dosage that most people who would even

> think

> > > about taking it at that dose would immediately

> > > overdose!

> > >

> > > I have a friend who is a surgical tech and

> surgical

> > > instructor who was telling me about this. 80 mg

> pill

> > > would have to be cut into 16 pieces to make this

> a low

> > > enough dose for someone who was not addicted or

> had a

> > > very high tolerance to it. One 80mg tablet can

> easily

> > > cause overdose.

> > >

> > > And heroin withdrawl and opiate withdrawl are

> similar

> > > in that they are the same chemicals. Methadone

> is more

> > > addictive than heroine and is worst to withdrawl

> from

> > > in my personal experience watching what the ex

> and

> > > other good friends went through when they came

> back

> > > from Nam with a bad habit.

> > >

> > > Jenny Kernan

> > >

> > > --- medusa569 <medusa569 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

> > >

> > >> It has the same addictive properties as any

> other

> > >> agent including ultram

> > >> which is being given out with the disclaimer

> that it

> > >> is NOT addictive! Sadly

> > >> the patients are finding out differently. The

> fact

> > >> that it is the favorered

> > >> pilfered drug of the hour does not speak to its

> > >> potency or level of

> > >> addictiveness. I suspect that its targeted as

> it is

> > >> now the general next

> > >> step advanced in pain management with its

> lesser

> > >> forms and its " on the

> > >> shelves " although that is now being affected as

> well

> > >> along with its

> > >> prescription availability. It is no stronger

> than

> > >> any other opiod. Physical

> > >> withdrawal from heroin is worse although any

> > >> withdrawal IMO is to be taken

> > >> seriously and respectfully. not being flavored

> with

> > >> FDA propaganda that is

> > >> touting the agenda of the day.

> > >>

> > >> medusa

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> -

> > >> " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana >

> > >> <>

> > >> Sunday, February 04, 2007 8:25 PM

> > >> Re: Re:

> Oxycodone

> > >> addiction

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> > Oxycontin is highly addictive and in recent

> months

> > >> the

> > >> > reason for so many pharmacy robberies. Every

> time

> > >> I've

> > >> > heard of a pharmacy being held up it was for

> this

> > >> > drug. It's one of the strongest pain

> prescriptions

> > >> on

> > >> > the market and one of the highest demand on

> the

> > >> black

> > >> > market. In my opinion it is every bit as

> addicting

> > >> and

> > >> > difficult to detox from as heroin. Withdrawls

> from

> > >> it

> > >> > can be just as harsh and dangerous as heroin.

> > >>

> > >>

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Frank and David,

Thank you for pointing out alternative help for chronic pain. Chinese

Doctors are way ahead of Western Medicine. Chi Gung is excellent. I feel that

pain

is just the body's way of saying " slow down and let me heal " . Covering it up

with pain pills is not going to bring healing. I feel very sorry for the

people who depend on our current medical practice of treating symptoms and not

the condition that causes the pain.

Peace, Thyme

 

 

 

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Alright, now I'm going to have to expand on my original message. Thank you for

your suggestions and ideas. I wish I had them available. What you have to

realize though is that I live in a remote Alaskan village. There is no road here

- the only way in/out is by boat/plane. There is no pharmacy here, grocery

store, health food store, etc. Just me, a few other crazy people, an airport, a

restaraunt, a few lodges, a small school and a lot of critters. My accident was

8 years ago. I fell 65 vertical feet off of a cliff. I landed on my right hip

and shattered it. I also sheared off my left hip, fractured my pelvis, left

tibia, left ankle and right ulna. I fractured my skull in two places, tore my

small intestine, punctured my liver and collapsed my lungs. I am lucky to have

survived. I had the best doctors (at this time I was living in Portland, OR) and

they put me back together very well. Unfortunately, scar tissue has formed in my

lower back and hips, constantly pulling on

things. I've seen experts and have been told that there is nothing they can do.

I had weekly massages before I moved here and yes it did help. But there are no

massage therapists here. I do practice yoga and it does help keep me loose. When

you think about it, realize that I'm in pain when I wake up in the morning but I

can't let it slow me down because I have a 4 year old son to get ready for

school and I work. So, I take my medication and in 30 minutes I can move and

function. I'm not high or loopy, my head is clear and I can function.

Unfortunately, because there are so many restrictions on these meds, I have to

have them mailed to me by my mail order pharmacy. Sometimes, when the weather

is bad, planes don't fly and we don't get mail. So, quite often in the winter I

have had to go a couple of days without it and believe me it's awful. I am not

talking about withdrawal here, I'm just talking about the pain. It's a constant

nagging, penetrating ache. So, my point here

is that sometimes pen meds are the only option. I wish there was an

alternative herb that worked as effectively but I'm not aware of any. Namaste,

Michelle

 

 

Frank <glasswizard2002

 

Thursday, February 8, 2007 8:10:13 AM

Re: Oxycodone addiction

 

Hi All,

I to have been in a bad accident going on 6 years in April.The

thing is, for the first year iI was pumped up on all kinds of meds,I

stopped taking them for 2 reasons 1) My daughter,she was in the car

with me when the accident happened.She was fine except for a bump on

her head.(thank god)..2)I was unable to do anything,mental capacity

dropped to almost nothing,physically I felt worse.I lost 50 pounds

of muscle mass in that year,The loss of this left me weak.I have

been through the electro-stimulators ,nerve blocks and everything

else they can put someone through,nothing worked.The doctors tell me

its in my head.What can I say,thats where headaches usually are(

DUH).I refuse to take anything since then and although I live in

constant pain, I believe if everyone would just stop taking meds and

started looking into a different way of dealing with the pain and

discomfort,not only will the prices come down but the amount of

people addicted to them will be far less than it is now...I am a

massage therapist,and I see people every day with cronic pain.After

working on them for an hour or so,they see a change,not only in the

pain level but also in the range of motion and ability to function

in active daily living situations.True this is not a cure all nor is

it a quick fix,but it does help as I have seen results myself first

hand.So next time you are in pain,instead of reaching for the bottle

of meds,pick up a phone book and find a massage therapist,you never

know what you will experience.

Thank you for reading this

Frank

Feel Better

 

, michelle franulovich

<mrsfranulovich@ ...> wrote:

>

> I'm not sure how this conversation started because I'm really new

to the group. However, being a chronic pain sufferer myself due to a

near fatal accident 8 years ago, I am very defensive about pain

meds. The rules right now that govern pain meds are very restrictive

but they only hurt those that want to get the medication honestly.

The people who have less than honest intentions will get it

regardless. I have come to accept addiction as part of my life

because of the pain I experience when I don't take it. I'm trying

hypnotherapy, I practice yoga and meditate; all to reduce my need

for the medication but the pain persists. When the choice is to

enjoy life and be a functioning person vs. lying on my bed with hot

pads, I'll take the medication and the unfortunate addiction.

>

>

> medusa569 <medusa569@. ..>

>

> Tuesday, February 6, 2007 6:39:33 AM

> Re: Re: Oxycodone addiction

>

> The fact that a drug is available at a particular strength among

others does

> not speak to the fact of its addictive properties. It is not the

only drug

> available at higher dosages and frankly anyone getting 80 mgs

tablets and

> then cutting them up are not familiar with the correct usage of

the drug

> aside from the fact of the huge disparity between its minimal

dosage (5mg)

> and the 80 mg pills. I have heard also that methadone is just as

much a

> problem to kick from and perhaps at this point we become embroiled

in a

> matters of opinions of which

> kick is worse. I don't see the point because its like trying to

decided

> which kind of pain is worse. Pain is pain and it all deserves

respect and

> adequate care on a patient by patient basis. Withdrawal also

deserves the

> care and respect to try and ensure the patient suffers as little as

> possible. Unfortunately though some practioniers have a different

attitude

> and will mark any and every addict equivalent with street addicts

who seek

> out the drugs for the high or escape it offers versus true pain

patients.

> Some drs seek to punish the addict to " teach them a lesson they

won't

> forget. " For me the worse enemy in this scenario aside from the

FDA is the

> " street addicts " which make it a dismal scene for a great many pain

> patients.

>

> medusa

>

> " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana>

> " Oxycontin is now available at such

> > a high dosage that most people who would even think

> > about taking it at that dose would immediately

> > overdose!

> >

> > I have a friend who is a surgical tech and surgical

> > instructor who was telling me about this. 80 mg pill

> > would have to be cut into 16 pieces to make this a low

> > enough dose for someone who was not addicted or had a

> > very high tolerance to it. One 80mg tablet can easily

> > cause overdose.

> >

> > And heroin withdrawl and opiate withdrawl are similar

> > in that they are the same chemicals. Methadone is more

> > addictive than heroine and is worst to withdrawl from

> > in my personal experience watching what the ex and

> > other good friends went through when they came back

> > from Nam with a bad habit.

> >

> > Jenny Kernan

> >

> > --- medusa569 <medusa569 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

> >

> >> It has the same addictive properties as any other

> >> agent including ultram

> >> which is being given out with the disclaimer that it

> >> is NOT addictive! Sadly

> >> the patients are finding out differently. The fact

> >> that it is the favorered

> >> pilfered drug of the hour does not speak to its

> >> potency or level of

> >> addictiveness. I suspect that its targeted as it is

> >> now the general next

> >> step advanced in pain management with its lesser

> >> forms and its " on the

> >> shelves " although that is now being affected as well

> >> along with its

> >> prescription availability. It is no stronger than

> >> any other opiod. Physical

> >> withdrawal from heroin is worse although any

> >> withdrawal IMO is to be taken

> >> seriously and respectfully. not being flavored with

> >> FDA propaganda that is

> >> touting the agenda of the day.

> >>

> >> medusa

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> -

> >> " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana>

> >>

> >> Sunday, February 04, 2007 8:25 PM

> >> Re: Re: Oxycodone

> >> addiction

> >>

> >>

> >> > Oxycontin is highly addictive and in recent months

> >> the

> >> > reason for so many pharmacy robberies. Every time

> >> I've

> >> > heard of a pharmacy being held up it was for this

> >> > drug. It's one of the strongest pain prescriptions

> >> on

> >> > the market and one of the highest demand on the

> >> black

> >> > market. In my opinion it is every bit as addicting

> >> and

> >> > difficult to detox from as heroin. Withdrawls from

> >> it

> >> > can be just as harsh and dangerous as heroin.

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

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Medusa,

This is so true. For those of us who are in a great amount of pain...and have

to depend on pain relievers.....and the herbs. When you need a refill and do not

use your regular doctor, like if you are on a trip visiting relatives, the

doctors look at you like you are going to go out and sell them. Am I the only

one who has had this problem??

Lynn

 

 

medusa569 <medusa569 wrote:

The fact that a drug is available at a particular strength among

others does

not speak to the fact of its addictive properties. It is not the only drug

available at higher dosages and frankly anyone getting 80 mgs tablets and

then cutting them up are not familiar with the correct usage of the drug

aside from the fact of the huge disparity between its minimal dosage (5mg)

and the 80 mg pills. I have heard also that methadone is just as much a

problem to kick from and perhaps at this point we become embroiled in a

matters of opinions of which

kick is worse. I don't see the point because its like trying to decided

which kind of pain is worse. Pain is pain and it all deserves respect and

adequate care on a patient by patient basis. Withdrawal also deserves the

care and respect to try and ensure the patient suffers as little as

possible. Unfortunately though some practioniers have a different attitude

and will mark any and every addict equivalent with street addicts who seek

out the drugs for the high or escape it offers versus true pain patients.

Some drs seek to punish the addict to " teach them a lesson they won't

forget. " For me the worse enemy in this scenario aside from the FDA is the

" street addicts " which make it a dismal scene for a great many pain

patients.

 

medusa

 

" Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana

" Oxycontin is now available at such

> a high dosage that most people who would even think

> about taking it at that dose would immediately

> overdose!

>

> I have a friend who is a surgical tech and surgical

> instructor who was telling me about this. 80 mg pill

> would have to be cut into 16 pieces to make this a low

> enough dose for someone who was not addicted or had a

> very high tolerance to it. One 80mg tablet can easily

> cause overdose.

>

> And heroin withdrawl and opiate withdrawl are similar

> in that they are the same chemicals. Methadone is more

> addictive than heroine and is worst to withdrawl from

> in my personal experience watching what the ex and

> other good friends went through when they came back

> from Nam with a bad habit.

>

> Jenny Kernan

>

> --- medusa569 <medusa569 wrote:

>

>> It has the same addictive properties as any other

>> agent including ultram

>> which is being given out with the disclaimer that it

>> is NOT addictive! Sadly

>> the patients are finding out differently. The fact

>> that it is the favorered

>> pilfered drug of the hour does not speak to its

>> potency or level of

>> addictiveness. I suspect that its targeted as it is

>> now the general next

>> step advanced in pain management with its lesser

>> forms and its " on the

>> shelves " although that is now being affected as well

>> along with its

>> prescription availability. It is no stronger than

>> any other opiod. Physical

>> withdrawal from heroin is worse although any

>> withdrawal IMO is to be taken

>> seriously and respectfully.not being flavored with

>> FDA propaganda that is

>> touting the agenda of the day.

>>

>> medusa

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> -

>> " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana

>>

>> Sunday, February 04, 2007 8:25 PM

>> Re: Re: Oxycodone

>> addiction

>>

>>

>> > Oxycontin is highly addictive and in recent months

>> the

>> > reason for so many pharmacy robberies. Every time

>> I've

>> > heard of a pharmacy being held up it was for this

>> > drug. It's one of the strongest pain prescriptions

>> on

>> > the market and one of the highest demand on the

>> black

>> > market. In my opinion it is every bit as addicting

>> and

>> > difficult to detox from as heroin. Withdrawls from

>> it

>> > can be just as harsh and dangerous as heroin.

>>

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Hi. Lynn. You not the only one that has this issue. i have a herniated disk in

my back. Amoung other problems. i had a major abseesed tooth . Gees you talk

about pain. I went to see a dentist. he referred me to a oral dentist, But

in the mean time I needed something for pain. I had to get some sleep. i was

up night and day. He gave me something they use for arthritis. Needless to say

it did absolutly nothiing. I called him back and they made me feel like I was

a drug dealer or something. he gave me 6 pills. Wow that lasted a day or so.

You would think that I was lying about the pain or something. What the heck

are they making the medicine for if they are afraid to give out to patients who

need it. I really hate that. Everybodys pain tolerence is different. I

waited 4 months with pain before it was so bad I could not take it anymore.

Sometimes people really truly need medicine. There should be a law about

doctors making people suffer, There is

a difference between people pretending to be in pain. then people actually

having excruating pain. I know how you feel. I felt like crawling through the

phone line and screaming at these people in the office who don't give a hoot

about you anyway,

Lynn Latham <blue_texasgal wrote:

Medusa,

This is so true. For those of us who are in a great amount of pain...and have to

depend on pain relievers.....and the herbs. When you need a refill and do not

use your regular doctor, like if you are on a trip visiting relatives, the

doctors look at you like you are going to go out and sell them. Am I the only

one who has had this problem??

Lynn

 

 

medusa569 <medusa569 wrote:

The fact that a drug is available at a particular strength among others does

not speak to the fact of its addictive properties. It is not the only drug

available at higher dosages and frankly anyone getting 80 mgs tablets and

then cutting them up are not familiar with the correct usage of the drug

aside from the fact of the huge disparity between its minimal dosage (5mg)

and the 80 mg pills. I have heard also that methadone is just as much a

problem to kick from and perhaps at this point we become embroiled in a

matters of opinions of which

kick is worse. I don't see the point because its like trying to decided

which kind of pain is worse. Pain is pain and it all deserves respect and

adequate care on a patient by patient basis. Withdrawal also deserves the

care and respect to try and ensure the patient suffers as little as

possible. Unfortunately though some practioniers have a different attitude

and will mark any and every addict equivalent with street addicts who seek

out the drugs for the high or escape it offers versus true pain patients.

Some drs seek to punish the addict to " teach them a lesson they won't

forget. " For me the worse enemy in this scenario aside from the FDA is the

" street addicts " which make it a dismal scene for a great many pain

patients.

 

medusa

 

" Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana

" Oxycontin is now available at such

> a high dosage that most people who would even think

> about taking it at that dose would immediately

> overdose!

>

> I have a friend who is a surgical tech and surgical

> instructor who was telling me about this. 80 mg pill

> would have to be cut into 16 pieces to make this a low

> enough dose for someone who was not addicted or had a

> very high tolerance to it. One 80mg tablet can easily

> cause overdose.

>

> And heroin withdrawl and opiate withdrawl are similar

> in that they are the same chemicals. Methadone is more

> addictive than heroine and is worst to withdrawl from

> in my personal experience watching what the ex and

> other good friends went through when they came back

> from Nam with a bad habit.

>

> Jenny Kernan

>

> --- medusa569 <medusa569 wrote:

>

>> It has the same addictive properties as any other

>> agent including ultram

>> which is being given out with the disclaimer that it

>> is NOT addictive! Sadly

>> the patients are finding out differently. The fact

>> that it is the favorered

>> pilfered drug of the hour does not speak to its

>> potency or level of

>> addictiveness. I suspect that its targeted as it is

>> now the general next

>> step advanced in pain management with its lesser

>> forms and its " on the

>> shelves " although that is now being affected as well

>> along with its

>> prescription availability. It is no stronger than

>> any other opiod. Physical

>> withdrawal from heroin is worse although any

>> withdrawal IMO is to be taken

>> seriously and respectfully.not being flavored with

>> FDA propaganda that is

>> touting the agenda of the day.

>>

>> medusa

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> -

>> " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana

>>

>> Sunday, February 04, 2007 8:25 PM

>> Re: Re: Oxycodone

>> addiction

>>

>>

>> > Oxycontin is highly addictive and in recent months

>> the

>> > reason for so many pharmacy robberies. Every time

>> I've

>> > heard of a pharmacy being held up it was for this

>> > drug. It's one of the strongest pain prescriptions

>> on

>> > the market and one of the highest demand on the

>> black

>> > market. In my opinion it is every bit as addicting

>> and

>> > difficult to detox from as heroin. Withdrawls from

>> it

>> > can be just as harsh and dangerous as heroin.

>>

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Jenny,

This is so true, I suffer from chronic pain due to scoliosis and arthritis and

congenital spinal stenosis. I am 44. I have been on serious pain meds since

2003. Also the doctors there(husband stationed in Germany then) at the Army

clinic sent me out to the German massage therapists and homeopathic doctors,

because there it was allowed. 2005 comes, and we have to move back to the States

(darn it) and the doctors here, because of Tricare insurance limitations cannot

send us to these kinds of doctors and therapists to HELP with the pain meds.

What is the problem???? I and thousands of others would benefit greatly,

including my daughter and son in law (he is a soldier just like his father in

law) and of course my hubby, who has shoulder problems and had the surgery and

guess what??? He is STILL in pain. I am sorry, I will get off my soapbox, but

damn this makes me mad!

Love to all,

Lynn (who is gonna go have some chammomille tea now) :)

 

Jenny Kernan <rainysnana wrote:

You're so right Frank! Massage therapist, Structural

therapist...Biofeedback Therapist...the problem is

medical insurance pays for Medical Doctors and pain

meds. A lot of them will not pay for Massage Therapy,

or Biofeedback or other alternatives, even something

like Chiropractic care.

 

Jenny Kernan

 

--- Frank <glasswizard2002 wrote:

 

> Hi All,

> I to have been in a bad accident going on 6 years

> in April.The

> thing is, for the first year iI was pumped up on all

> kinds of meds,I

> stopped taking them for 2 reasons 1) My daughter,she

> was in the car

> with me when the accident happened.She was fine

> except for a bump on

> her head.(thank god)..2)I was unable to do

> anything,mental capacity

> dropped to almost nothing,physically I felt worse.I

> lost 50 pounds

> of muscle mass in that year,The loss of this left me

> weak.I have

> been through the electro-stimulators,nerve blocks

> and everything

> else they can put someone through,nothing worked.The

> doctors tell me

> its in my head.What can I say,thats where headaches

> usually are(

> DUH).I refuse to take anything since then and

> although I live in

> constant pain, I believe if everyone would just stop

> taking meds and

> started looking into a different way of dealing with

> the pain and

> discomfort,not only will the prices come down but

> the amount of

> people addicted to them will be far less than it is

> now...I am a

> massage therapist,and I see people every day with

> cronic pain.After

> working on them for an hour or so,they see a

> change,not only in the

> pain level but also in the range of motion and

> ability to function

> in active daily living situations.True this is not a

> cure all nor is

> it a quick fix,but it does help as I have seen

> results myself first

> hand.So next time you are in pain,instead of

> reaching for the bottle

> of meds,pick up a phone book and find a massage

> therapist,you never

> know what you will experience.

> Thank you for

> reading this

> Frank

> Feel

> Better

>

>

>

>

> , michelle

> franulovich

> <mrsfranulovich wrote:

> >

> > I'm not sure how this conversation started because

> I'm really new

> to the group. However, being a chronic pain sufferer

> myself due to a

> near fatal accident 8 years ago, I am very defensive

> about pain

> meds. The rules right now that govern pain meds are

> very restrictive

> but they only hurt those that want to get the

> medication honestly.

> The people who have less than honest intentions will

> get it

> regardless. I have come to accept addiction as part

> of my life

> because of the pain I experience when I don't take

> it. I'm trying

> hypnotherapy, I practice yoga and meditate; all to

> reduce my need

> for the medication but the pain persists. When the

> choice is to

> enjoy life and be a functioning person vs. lying on

> my bed with hot

> pads, I'll take the medication and the unfortunate

> addiction.

> >

> >

> > medusa569 <medusa569

> >

> > Tuesday, February 6, 2007 6:39:33 AM

> > Re: Re: Oxycodone

> addiction

> >

> > The fact that a drug is available at a particular

> strength among

> others does

> > not speak to the fact of its addictive properties.

> It is not the

> only drug

> > available at higher dosages and frankly anyone

> getting 80 mgs

> tablets and

> > then cutting them up are not familiar with the

> correct usage of

> the drug

> > aside from the fact of the huge disparity between

> its minimal

> dosage (5mg)

> > and the 80 mg pills. I have heard also that

> methadone is just as

> much a

> > problem to kick from and perhaps at this point we

> become embroiled

> in a

> > matters of opinions of which

> > kick is worse. I don't see the point because its

> like trying to

> decided

> > which kind of pain is worse. Pain is pain and it

> all deserves

> respect and

> > adequate care on a patient by patient basis.

> Withdrawal also

> deserves the

> > care and respect to try and ensure the patient

> suffers as little as

> > possible. Unfortunately though some practioniers

> have a different

> attitude

> > and will mark any and every addict equivalent with

> street addicts

> who seek

> > out the drugs for the high or escape it offers

> versus true pain

> patients.

> > Some drs seek to punish the addict to " teach them

> a lesson they

> won't

> > forget. " For me the worse enemy in this scenario

> aside from the

> FDA is the

> > " street addicts " which make it a dismal scene for

> a great many pain

> > patients.

> >

> > medusa

> >

> > " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana >

> > " Oxycontin is now available at such

> > > a high dosage that most people who would even

> think

> > > about taking it at that dose would immediately

> > > overdose!

> > >

> > > I have a friend who is a surgical tech and

> surgical

> > > instructor who was telling me about this. 80 mg

> pill

> > > would have to be cut into 16 pieces to make this

> a low

> > > enough dose for someone who was not addicted or

> had a

> > > very high tolerance to it. One 80mg tablet can

> easily

> > > cause overdose.

> > >

> > > And heroin withdrawl and opiate withdrawl are

> similar

> > > in that they are the same chemicals. Methadone

> is more

> > > addictive than heroine and is worst to withdrawl

> from

> > > in my personal experience watching what the ex

> and

> > > other good friends went through when they came

> back

> > > from Nam with a bad habit.

> > >

> > > Jenny Kernan

> > >

> > > --- medusa569 <medusa569 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

> > >

> > >> It has the same addictive properties as any

> other

> > >> agent including ultram

> > >> which is being given out with the disclaimer

> that it

> > >> is NOT addictive! Sadly

> > >> the patients are finding out differently. The

> fact

> > >> that it is the favorered

> > >> pilfered drug of the hour does not speak to its

> > >> potency or level of

> > >> addictiveness. I suspect that its targeted as

> it is

> > >> now the general next

> > >> step advanced in pain management with its

> lesser

> > >> forms and its " on the

> > >> shelves " although that is now being affected as

> well

> > >> along with its

> > >> prescription availability. It is no stronger

> than

> > >> any other opiod. Physical

> > >> withdrawal from heroin is worse although any

> > >> withdrawal IMO is to be taken

> > >> seriously and respectfully. not being flavored

> with

> > >> FDA propaganda that is

> > >> touting the agenda of the day.

> > >>

> > >> medusa

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> -

> > >> " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana >

> > >> <>

> > >> Sunday, February 04, 2007 8:25 PM

> > >> Re: Re:

> Oxycodone

> > >> addiction

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> > Oxycontin is highly addictive and in recent

> months

> > >> the

> > >> > reason for so many pharmacy robberies. Every

> time

> > >> I've

> > >> > heard of a pharmacy being held up it was for

> this

> > >> > drug. It's one of the strongest pain

> prescriptions

> > >> on

> > >> > the market and one of the highest demand on

> the

> > >> black

> > >> > market. In my opinion it is every bit as

> addicting

> > >> and

> > >> > difficult to detox from as heroin. Withdrawls

> from

> > >> it

> > >> > can be just as harsh and dangerous as heroin.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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