Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 " says here; if Arnica is taken by mouth " serious side effects may occur and this is for adults;(so I can only cringe to think of what Arnica could do to a child; Read Side Effects please). So my message to the writer of the message " Haily need help for four year old: MY MESSAGE IS: CALL YOUR DOCTOR AND TELL HIM YOU ARE GOING TO STOP THE ARNICA; THEN AFTER YOU STOP THE ARNICA WATCH HER VERY CAREFULLY in case of withdrawal side effects. I would be very concerned with using and stopping Arnica. I suggest you contact your Doctor explain you used the e Arnica and then say; Doc. is it ok if I stop the Arnica cold turkey? if he says yes; then STOP THE ARNICA. (says in the article " Arnica taken in high doses causes coma etc.) STOP THIS IMMEDIATELY Anne <annroc2004 wrote: http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/89665/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Anne are you a homeopath? I use Homeopathic Arnica with many adults, pets and children? You need to read more. As far as Haily, her mother should consult a Homeopath or Naturopath and not experiment on her child. Homeopathy is certainly not high doses of anything if taken properly. Kathy On Behalf Of Anne Friday, January 26, 2007 9:03 AM Fwd: Arnica - ABC Homeopathy Forum " says here; if Arnica is taken by mouth " serious side effects may occur and this is for adults;(so I can only cringe to think of what Arnica could do to a child; Read Side Effects please). So my message to the writer of the message " Haily need help for four year old: MY MESSAGE IS: CALL YOUR DOCTOR AND TELL HIM YOU ARE GOING TO STOP THE ARNICA; THEN AFTER YOU STOP THE ARNICA WATCH HER VERY CAREFULLY in case of withdrawal side effects. I would be very concerned with using and stopping Arnica. I suggest you contact your Doctor explain you used the e Arnica and then say; Doc. is it ok if I stop the Arnica cold turkey? if he says yes; then STOP THE ARNICA. (says in the article " Arnica taken in high doses causes coma etc.) STOP THIS IMMEDIATELY Anne <annroc2004 <annroc2004%40sbcglobal.net> > wrote: http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/89665/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 , Anne <annroc2004 wrote: > < " says here; if Arnica is taken by mouth " serious side effects may occur and this is for adults;(so I can only cringe to think of what Arnica could do to a child; Read Side Effects please).> >> > Was the Arnica taken straight, or as a homeopathic? Most Arnica remedies are homeopathic. The beauty of homeopathy, as far as I understand it, is that it is virtually side-ffect free. Will someone please correct me if I am wrong here? This is what I have in my head. There is little if any actual substance in a homeopathic remedy. IF the remedy is the right one for you, it is like turning a key in a lock. An energetic block is released, the body's own amazing healing powers are engaged, and a cascade of healing events can happen. But if the vibration in the remedy does not correspond to what you need, not much happens. The work of Dr Masara Emoto on the ability of water to carry vibration fits in with the work of Homeopathy. See http://hado.net Ien in the Kootenays http://freegreenliving.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Actually; article said if Arnica is taken by mouth; coma can occur. and so therefore I wouldn't give this to a child in any amount. I think she was taking it as a homeopathic. Ninety percnet of Herbs are 100% safe; and 10% are not safe; like arnica and belladona. did you know Arncia flowers can bring a 2.000 lb. horse to its knees?- -- In , " Ieneke " <ienvan wrote: > > , Anne <annroc2004@> wrote: > > > < " says here; if Arnica is taken by mouth " serious side effects may > occur and this is for adults;(so I can only cringe to think of what > Arnica could do to a child; Read Side Effects please).> > >> > > Was the Arnica taken straight, or as a homeopathic? > Most Arnica remedies are homeopathic. > > The beauty of homeopathy, as far as I understand it, is that it is > virtually side-ffect free. > Will someone please correct me if I am wrong here? This is what > I have in my head. > > There is little if any actual substance in a homeopathic remedy. > IF the remedy is the right one for you, it is like turning a key > in a lock. > > An energetic block is released, the body's own amazing healing > powers are engaged, and a cascade of healing events can happen. > > But if the vibration in the remedy does not correspond to what you > need, not much happens. > > The work of Dr Masara Emoto on the ability of water to carry > vibration fits in with the work of Homeopathy. > See http://hado.net > > Ien in the Kootenays > http://freegreenliving.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Here is an exerpt from Dr. Weill's website. Not that I look to his advice but he was about the only one who listed negative effects. " Never apply arnica in any form on broken skin or on an open wound. Arnica is toxic if it gets inside the body. (Other names for this herb are leopard's bane and wolf's bane.) Never take arnica internally, unless it's in the form of little white homeopathic pills that contain too little arnica to cause harm. I usually recommend the 30X potency as a first-aid treatment for trauma – a dental procedure, for example, or any sport's related injury or accident involving sprains, strains, or bruising. Pour four pills into the cap of the bottle, then toss them into your mouth, under your tongue. (Never handle homeopathic pills, in order to preserve their energetic qualities.) The pills can be taken every two hours for the first 24 hours after the injury but not within a half hour of eating. " I myself have taken the homeopathic arnica many times and had no ill effects. Obviously before giving to a child I would consult a physician. I use the cream on my children quite a bit though. Melissa , " Anne " <annroc2004 wrote: > > Actually; article said if Arnica is taken by mouth; coma can occur. > > and so therefore I wouldn't give this to a child in any amount. > > I think she was taking it as a homeopathic. Ninety percnet of Herbs > are 100% safe; and 10% are not safe; like arnica and belladona. > > did you know Arncia flowers can bring a 2.000 lb. horse to its knees?- > -- In , " Ieneke " <ienvan@> wrote: > > > > , Anne <annroc2004@> wrote: > > > > > < " says here; if Arnica is taken by mouth " serious side effects may > > occur and this is for adults;(so I can only cringe to think of what > > Arnica could do to a child; Read Side Effects please).> > > >> > > > Was the Arnica taken straight, or as a homeopathic? > > Most Arnica remedies are homeopathic. > > > > The beauty of homeopathy, as far as I understand it, is that it is > > virtually side-ffect free. > > Will someone please correct me if I am wrong here? This is what > > I have in my head. > > > > There is little if any actual substance in a homeopathic remedy. > > IF the remedy is the right one for you, it is like turning a key > > in a lock. > > > > An energetic block is released, the body's own amazing healing > > powers are engaged, and a cascade of healing events can happen. > > > > But if the vibration in the remedy does not correspond to what you > > need, not much happens. > > > > The work of Dr Masara Emoto on the ability of water to carry > > vibration fits in with the work of Homeopathy. > > See http://hado.net > > > > Ien in the Kootenays > > http://freegreenliving.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Yes Ann I knew that about Arnica but she was on abchomeopathy website so I figured she was using homeopathies. Because of all our animals and kids I do not grow any Herb that could be poisonous, but too much of anything can cause problems. I do stock them in my practice though. In Homeopathy Arnica is very beneficial. Ien homeopathy has what is called aggravations and proving and can cause many " side effects " . Thanks Kathy On Behalf Of Anne Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:10 AM Re: Fwd: Arnica - ABC Homeopathy Forum Actually; article said if Arnica is taken by mouth; coma can occur. and so therefore I wouldn't give this to a child in any amount. I think she was taking it as a homeopathic. Ninety percnet of Herbs are 100% safe; and 10% are not safe; like arnica and belladona. did you know Arncia flowers can bring a 2.000 lb. horse to its knees?- -- In <%40> , " Ieneke " <ienvan wrote: > > <%40> , Anne <annroc2004@> wrote: > > > < " says here; if Arnica is taken by mouth " serious side effects may > occur and this is for adults;(so I can only cringe to think of what > Arnica could do to a child; Read Side Effects please).> > >> > > Was the Arnica taken straight, or as a homeopathic? > Most Arnica remedies are homeopathic. > > The beauty of homeopathy, as far as I understand it, is that it is > virtually side-ffect free. > Will someone please correct me if I am wrong here? This is what > I have in my head. > > There is little if any actual substance in a homeopathic remedy. > IF the remedy is the right one for you, it is like turning a key > in a lock. > > An energetic block is released, the body's own amazing healing > powers are engaged, and a cascade of healing events can happen. > > But if the vibration in the remedy does not correspond to what you > need, not much happens. > > The work of Dr Masara Emoto on the ability of water to carry > vibration fits in with the work of Homeopathy. > See http://hado.net > > Ien in the Kootenays > http://freegreenliving.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Hello Ien: I read this post previously but I think I finally understand what your concept of Homeopathy is: *You see Homeopathy as where an Herbal-distiller takes Pure Herbal Extracts such as Chamommile-flowers and takes these Herbal extracts and dilutes the Herb-extracts in purified water and bottles it up. This is actually what Homeopathy is. From what I watched on a documentary from a vidoe I rented form the Library on " Natural Healing: the science of Homepathy was developed by the same person; Dr. Mesmorise (sp.?) which the term " Mesmorized is deviated. Dr. Mesmorise was later accused of trying to mesmorize Ladies in the Court. I beleive Purified Waters with safe Herbs can be used to promote Healing through :healing vibrations of the Herbs as you say. HOWEVER: and here is the whole key: Not all the Herbs used in Homeopathy are considered food-grade Herbs. I would be for Homeopathy if only food grade safe Herbs were used. Like the Bach Flower Remedies which used only safe known Flowers. But your concept of Homeopathy " s Healing by Herb's Vibrations is good. , " Ieneke " <ienvan wrote: > > , Anne <annroc2004@> wrote: > > > < " says here; if Arnica is taken by mouth " serious side effects may > occur and this is for adults;(so I can only cringe to think of what > Arnica could do to a child; Read Side Effects please).> > >> > > Was the Arnica taken straight, or as a homeopathic? > Most Arnica remedies are homeopathic. > > The beauty of homeopathy, as far as I understand it, is that it is > virtually side-ffect free. > Will someone please correct me if I am wrong here? This is what > I have in my head. > > There is little if any actual substance in a homeopathic remedy. > IF the remedy is the right one for you, it is like turning a key > in a lock. > > An energetic block is released, the body's own amazing healing > powers are engaged, and a cascade of healing events can happen. > > But if the vibration in the remedy does not correspond to what you > need, not much happens. > > The work of Dr Masara Emoto on the ability of water to carry > vibration fits in with the work of Homeopathy. > See http://hado.net > > Ien in the Kootenays > http://freegreenliving.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 thanks for the article. I found two articles in total stating this. (three in total with this). The other warning with Arnica is: " Not to be used for prolonged periods of time; even externally. I am sure giving Arnica as a tinctue on a child's sprots injury would be therapeutic but I would not use it in excess of a few day. I would not take Arnica internally such as Dr. Weil suggest here. Why would anyone take internally an known toxic Herb? Isn't life full of toxins as it is: why add to 'the confusion? POINT BEING 90% OF ALL HERBS ARE 100% SAFE. This is my message today. >(It is up to the Homeopath to determine dosages for Healing). Anne. > Here is an exerpt from Dr. Weill's website. Not that I look to his > advice but he was about the only one who listed negative effects. > > " Never apply arnica in any form on broken skin or on an open wound. > Arnica is toxic if it gets inside the body. (Other names for this > herb are leopard's bane and wolf's bane.) Never take arnica > internally, unless it's in the form of little white homeopathic > pills that contain too little arnica to cause harm. I usually > recommend the 30X potency as a first-aid treatment for trauma – a > dental procedure, for example, or any sport's related injury or > accident involving sprains, strains, or bruising. Pour four pills > into the cap of the bottle, then toss them into your mouth, under > your tongue. (Never handle homeopathic pills, in order to preserve > their energetic qualities.) The pills can be taken every two hours > for the first 24 hours after the injury but not within a half hour > of eating. " > > I myself have taken the homeopathic arnica many times and had no ill > effects. Obviously before giving to a child I would consult a > physician. > > I use the cream on my children quite a bit though. > > Melissa > > , " Anne " <annroc2004@> > wrote: > > > > Actually; article said if Arnica is taken by mouth; coma can occur. > > > > and so therefore I wouldn't give this to a child in any amount. > > > > I think she was taking it as a homeopathic. Ninety percnet of > Herbs > > are 100% safe; and 10% are not safe; like arnica and belladona. > > > > did you know Arncia flowers can bring a 2.000 lb. horse to its > knees?- > > -- In , " Ieneke " <ienvan@> wrote: > > > > > > , Anne <annroc2004@> > wrote: > > > > > > > < " says here; if Arnica is taken by mouth " serious side effects > may > > > occur and this is for adults;(so I can only cringe to think of > what > > > Arnica could do to a child; Read Side Effects please).> > > > >> > > > > Was the Arnica taken straight, or as a homeopathic? > > > Most Arnica remedies are homeopathic. > > > > > > The beauty of homeopathy, as far as I understand it, is that it > is > > > virtually side-ffect free. > > > Will someone please correct me if I am wrong here? This is what > > > I have in my head. > > > > > > There is little if any actual substance in a homeopathic remedy. > > > IF the remedy is the right one for you, it is like turning a key > > > in a lock. > > > > > > An energetic block is released, the body's own amazing healing > > > powers are engaged, and a cascade of healing events can happen. > > > > > > But if the vibration in the remedy does not correspond to what > you > > > need, not much happens. > > > > > > The work of Dr Masara Emoto on the ability of water to carry > > > vibration fits in with the work of Homeopathy. > > > See http://hado.net > > > > > > Ien in the Kootenays > > > http://freegreenliving.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Hello Kathy: I am sure Arnica has it's proper place in Natural Healing. The question is: How long should a person take Arnica even if it is only topically. I know for an absolute fact that ALL Herbs; all medicines; all Nutrients affect a child differnetly than an adult and children alwasy use less of an amount of any natural treatment. This is the no. one reason I do not recommend Arnica for children. Because the Arnica will have stronger effects on a child than adult. However; the good news is: The woman is using Arnica topically only however I do not know if she is using the Homeopathic diluted form. I know she should be using Arnica only Homeopathicaally as you say. A. , " Kathleen Ramsey " <kathy wrote: > > Yes Anne I knew that about Arnica but she was on abchomeopathy website so I > figured she was using homeopathies. Because of all our animals and kids I > do not grow any Herb that could be poisonous, but too much of anything can > cause problems. I do stock them in my practice though. In Homeopathy > Arnica is very beneficial. Ien homeopathy has what is called aggravations > and proving and can cause many " side effects " . Thanks Kathy > > > > > On Behalf Of Anne > Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:10 AM > > Re: Fwd: Arnica - ABC Homeopathy Forum > > > > Actually; article said if Arnica is taken by mouth; coma can occur. > > and so therefore I wouldn't give this to a child in any amount. > > I think she was taking it as a homeopathic. Ninety percnet of Herbs > are 100% safe; and 10% are not safe; like arnica and belladona. > > did you know Arncia flowers can bring a 2.000 lb. horse to its knees?- > -- In > <%40> , " Ieneke " <ienvan@> wrote: > > > > > <%40> , Anne <annroc2004@> wrote: > > > > > < " says here; if Arnica is taken by mouth " serious side effects may > > occur and this is for adults;(so I can only cringe to think of what > > Arnica could do to a child; Read Side Effects please).> > > >> > > > Was the Arnica taken straight, or as a homeopathic? > > Most Arnica remedies are homeopathic. > > > > The beauty of homeopathy, as far as I understand it, is that it is > > virtually side-ffect free. > > Will someone please correct me if I am wrong here? This is what > > I have in my head. > > > > There is little if any actual substance in a homeopathic remedy. > > IF the remedy is the right one for you, it is like turning a key > > in a lock. > > > > An energetic block is released, the body's own amazing healing > > powers are engaged, and a cascade of healing events can happen. > > > > But if the vibration in the remedy does not correspond to what you > > need, not much happens. > > > > The work of Dr Masara Emoto on the ability of water to carry > > vibration fits in with the work of Homeopathy. > > See http://hado.net > > > > Ien in the Kootenays > > http://freegreenliving.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 In a message dated 2/3/2007 1:45:30 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, annroc2004 writes: thanks for the article. I found two articles in total stating this. (three in total with this). The other warning with Arnica is: " Not to be used for prolonged periods of time; even externally. **************What are the sources of these articles please...sorry if I missed them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Hi, From whatever half knowledge I have, Arnica is the best injury remedy for physical trauma, concussions & contusions. Cautions:- 1. Do not ingest MT(Mother Tincture) 2. MT can be used for topical use on swollen areas, where skin is intact. 3. Do not apply MT on open wounds, cuts or bruises & abrasions. It is a big " No No " (Must be toxic) 4. Internally, use potencies above 3 only. 200, 1M etc. have miraculous cures reported. Calendula MT can be used on cuts & open wounds. On open cuts, pour calendula MT few drops before going to bed. Next morning the cut is closed, like a divine being did the suturing overnight. gesi =================================== Anne wrote: > thanks for the article. I found two articles in total stating this. > (three in total with this). The other warning with Arnica is: > > " Not to be used for prolonged periods of time; even externally. > > I am sure giving Arnica as a tinctue on a child's sprots injury would > be therapeutic but I would not use it in excess of a few day. > > I would not take Arnica internally such as Dr. Weil suggest here. > > Why would anyone take internally an known toxic Herb? > > Isn't life full of toxins as it is: why add to 'the confusion? > > POINT BEING 90% OF ALL HERBS ARE 100% SAFE. This is my message today. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Thank you for the information. I am sure it is effective as written. There obviously is Healing Virtures in Arnica used topically. Most likely discovered by the American Indians in the Western States where Arnica grows. Slipperly Elm Bark is another Native Indian Remedy. A. , medmidas <medmi> wrote: > > Hi, > From whatever half knowledge I have, > Arnica is the best injury remedy for physical trauma, concussions & > contusions. > Cautions:- > 1. Do not ingest MT(Mother Tincture) > 2. MT can be used for topical use on swollen areas, where skin is intact. > 3. Do not apply MT on open wounds, cuts or bruises & abrasions. It is a > big " No No " (Must be toxic) > 4. Internally, use potencies above 3 only. 200, 1M etc. have miraculous > cures reported. > > Calendula MT can be used on cuts & open wounds. > On open cuts, pour calendula MT few drops before going to bed. > Next morning the cut is closed, like a divine being did the suturing > overnight. > gesi > =================================== > Anne wrote: > > thanks for the article. I found two articles in total stating this. > > (three in total with this). The other warning with Arnica is: > > > > " Not to be used for prolonged periods of time; even externally. > > > > I am sure giving Arnica as a tinctue on a child's sprots injury would > > be therapeutic but I would not use it in excess of a few day. > > > > I would not take Arnica internally such as Dr. Weil suggest here. > > > > Why would anyone take internally an known toxic Herb? > > > > Isn't life full of toxins as it is: why add to 'the confusion? > > > > POINT BEING 90% OF ALL HERBS ARE 100% SAFE. This is my message today. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Actually homeopathy was discovered by Dr. Hahneman, not Dr. Mesmorise. Homeopathy takes natural substances (flower, mineral, animal, vegetable) and dilutes them many times down to it's 'essence' so that only the 'signature' of the original item remains. The theory behind homeopathy is that 'like cures like' or that something taken in large quantities is cured by the same substance when taken in minute doses. Keria Rossin Administrative Assistant University of Michigan - TCAUP 2000 Bonisteel Blvd. Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2069 T. 734.764.1300 F. 734.763.2322 Expect a miracle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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