Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 At 04:29 AM 5/27/2005, you wrote: >Help! any other things to try? I'm on anti-biotics and tylenol 3 >(yes, the pain is that bad....) I so engorged, and neither the pump >or the baby can drain the breast. I'm hot packing, massging and >pumping practically non-stop. I stopped putting her on that breast as >nothing was coming out, and she was just getting ticked off. Plus, >the nipple is now white at the tip, and hurts like hell. an old oriental trick that several midwives rave about... cabbage leaf compresses... they work.... and she is absolutely beautiful!!! well named! Celebrating 10 years online. Supplying pure Essential Oils, Aromatherapy Accessories, Information and more! Visit us at: <http://www.naturesgift.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Don't know if this is repetitive or if you're better ... I'm on digest format ... but wanted to chime in: FIRST OFF ...do not apply cabbage leaves to your breast!Cabbage leaves help dry out your milk ... my lactation consultant actually addresses this yeasterday. Cabbage leaves can cause your mastitis to worsen. Mastitis sucks. I've had it twice and there's no other word for it ... my heart goes out to you. I would immediately contact a lactation consultant or your local LLL leader for support. Now, the whiteness at your nipple is a good thing. Mastitis occur when milk in your milk duct dries out and thickens, forms a clump (imagine the consistancy of toothpaste or thicker - which is why drying your milk out further is a bad thing), blocks the ducts and an infection begins. This clump of dried milk has to work its way out for everything to be resolved. Now imagine your blockage is the size of a peppercorn but the milk pore it has to exit out of is the size of a pinhead. Owie! Drinking extra fluids and warm soaks can ease this but my point was, once you see a white blister like thing on your nipple, you're getting close to it resloving (when you squeeze the nipple/breast it should get whiter/more pronounced). Some MD's or midwifes will recommend " helping " the clot out with sterilized tweezers but that is debatable and up to your practitioner (it worked for me but it is risky so don't consider it without talking to your practioner). In my case hot pads hurt. What I did was use warm teabags, warm (not hot) showers & baths and homeopathics (just google homeopath mastitis) ... I think it was phytolacta alternating w/hepara. Also, cut up an old wook sweater and line your bra with it. The warmth is gentle and constant and will help your breast heal but is more gentle than a hot pack. Once the mastitis is resolved, keep lining your bra for a few weeks till you are sure your risk of recurrance has passed. Herbally I like lemonbalm & alfalfa herbal teas for restoration. Garlic is helpful during an infection. Drink massive quantities of water, rest and nurse as much as physically possible. Best wishes, Melissa PS... kellymom.com is a great resource! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 i did the same thing, Cabbage leaf compress~ I was on anit=biotics too, I was so sick I couldn't eve stand up. I had to sit in the tub and hang my breat in the water for them to drain~the pump was tooooo painful. I had red streaks going down my stomach. I was really sick with this stuff too. Kat was born with 1 tooth and I didn't know it, and she was biting my breast and then I got an infection. But i stuck with it. I was crazy. She nursed for prolly ayear, but would only nurse at night. ? she would play and sleep all day, then lay there and nurse at night. Strange child Sindy - Marge Clark Re:mastitis At 04:29 AM 5/27/2005, you wrote: >Help! any other things to try? I'm on anti-biotics and tylenol 3 >(yes, the pain is that bad....) I so engorged, and neither the pump >or the baby can drain the breast. I'm hot packing, massging and >pumping practically non-stop. I stopped putting her on that breast as >nothing was coming out, and she was just getting ticked off. Plus, >the nipple is now white at the tip, and hurts like hell. an old oriental trick that several midwives rave about... cabbage leaf compresses... they work.... and she is absolutely beautiful!!! well named! Celebrating 10 years online. Supplying pure Essential Oils, Aromatherapy Accessories, Information and more! Visit us at: <http://www.naturesgift.com> Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves: http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 , Mafeb@a... wrote: > Don't know if this is repetitive or if you're better ... I'm on digest > format ... but wanted to chime in: > > FIRST OFF ...do not apply cabbage leaves to your breast!Cabbage leaves help > dry out your milk ... my lactation consultant actually addresses this > yeasterday. Cabbage leaves can cause your mastitis to worsen. > > Mastitis sucks. I've had it twice and there's no other word for it .... my > heart goes out to you. I would immediately contact a lactation consultant or > your local LLL leader for support. Melissa, what great advice. It's late, and I'm tired, and I was reading through all the responses, and since I'm so tired, I was questioning my own experience (never had mastitis, but have studied under herbalists for many years and advised nursing mothers) and memory. Yes, cabbage leaves would be very wrong to use in this instance because they will dry up the milk and make the situation much worse! Melissa's post is muchmore articulate than I can be on the subject, so I defer to her. But, before I go further, I have to say how happy I am to see Jen again (waving wildly Westward), the gorgeous baby girl Stella, the cute husband, the happy adjusted cats, all the parts of Jen's life that I've been privvy to over the years. Jen, you look beautiful, too, and I can't wait until you get back sniffing the aromatics and making bee goo extract. Get a lactation expert in your town to help, keep posting, make some perfumes and stop lurking and start posting again on your second-favorite , NP :-) Miss ya, love ya -- and am strongly fighting an urge to make a word play on mastitis just to get you laughing and relieve the pain... Bee goo, er, bee good! Your goofy friend, Anya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 On May 27, 2005, at 10:49 PM, rastapoodle wrote: > Yes, cabbage leaves would be very wrong to use in this > instance because they will dry up the milk and make the situation much > worse! For anyone really interested you can search and find the differing opinions- most are overwhelmingly positive- especially from places like LLL. Unless they are saying something different lately. I've been away from the conversation for a while now. Try: mastitis cabbage leaves - on google. Wow- this has been debated as long as I can recall, but I think it really works extremely well and safely and I would not be at all concerned about milk supply as long as you are nursing. I have used this myself and seen it help innumerable others (probably hundreds) over many years in and out of LLL and other AP mothering groups- seriously. It simply works beautifully and I have never heard of any issue with milk drying up- in real life- for women who are nursing. It can make rock hard breasts soft enough to get a baby to latch on. Nothing else worked that way. And continuing to nurse and drain the breasts completely is the key. My opinion based only in my experience and the experience of all the other women I know who have used this method. I do not believe a cabbage leaf used appropriately could dry up your milk- unless maybe you keep the cabbage leaves there 24/7 and *stop* nursing. You don't need to use the leaves much to get relief. 1/2 and hour is usually fine- just till it's wilted and soft. It will give comfort to someone who is engorged while trying to wean certainly. It will help to soften the rocks and pull out the heat, and if you are nursing and producing milk- I would not be concerned at all. Plus, most women get infections like this the first year- when milk production is high- usually related to problems w/ latch and exhaustion. Problems with milk production are related to stress, lack of sleep, and not nursing enough. Most often the trouble with milk production happens when a woman stops nursing an infected breast- or quits completely- due to misinformation about nursing with an infection or to avoid pain. Often mastitis relates to poor latch and that can cause pain and make women avoid nursing or feel stressed which leads to problems nursing and let down. Cabbage leaves work gently and fast to soften the tissue and give great comfort with no real risk as far as I can see. I feel strongly that they are a blessing for someone who has had mastitis, a plugged duct or breast infection. I'd just hate to see someone suffer and be afraid to try this- but certainly this conversation only shows that each person needs to do their own research (cross referenced and from reliable sources) and come to their own conclusions for their own body. Mastitis is a subject that is hard to talk about with out distinct physical sensations....and passion. Thank goodness for cabbages is all I can say ;-) Goodnight. Elizabeth Whole Life Essentials Pure Organic Essential Oils, Hydrosols, & Natural Products http://www.WholeLifeEssentials.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Cabbage Leaves actually are used to lessen and dry out milk supply. Potaot slices can be used instead. I use a protocol from Adele Davis that involves heating castor oil, and wrapping yourself in saran wrap. It really is not that complicated, and it worls WONDERS! Please e-mail me if you would like it. Also there is a homeopathic called Bryonia ALba that helps a ton too. Also, watch your baby for thrush, sometimes the two go hand in hand. The key is to nip it in the bud, but if it goes farther than that, there are things you can do. Also, Vitamin C. Treating it from the inside and outside is imperative. HTH! ..~#{@}#~. ..~#{@}#~.~#{@}#~. ..~#{@}#~.Jonelle~#{@}#~. ..~#{@}#~.(¨`v´¨).~#{@}#~. ..~#{@}#~. `v´ .~#{@}#~. ..~#{@}#~.~#{@}#~. ..~#{@}#~. " Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could; some blunders and absurdities have crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; you shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense. " -Ralph Waldo Emerson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Massaging with peppermint oil helps too. Gayla Roberts Always Enough Ranch Acampo, California goatclearing http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.html - <jmhborne Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:08 AM Re: Mastitis Cabbage Leaves actually are used to lessen and dry out milk supply. Potaot slices can be used instead. I use a protocol from Adele Davis that involves heating castor oil, and wrapping yourself in saran wrap. It really is not that complicated, and it worls WONDERS! Please e-mail me if you would like it. Also there is a homeopathic called Bryonia ALba that helps a ton too. Also, watch your baby for thrush, sometimes the two go hand in hand. The key is to nip it in the bud, but if it goes farther than that, there are things you can do. Also, Vitamin C. Treating it from the inside and outside is imperative. HTH! ..~#{@}#~. ..~#{@}#~.~#{@}#~. ..~#{@}#~.Jonelle~#{@}#~. ..~#{@}#~.(¨`v´¨).~#{@}#~. ..~#{@}#~. `v´ .~#{@}#~. ..~#{@}#~.~#{@}#~. ..~#{@}#~. " Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could; some blunders and absurdities have crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; you shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense. " -Ralph Waldo Emerson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 On May 29, 2005, at 10:31 PM, Gayla Roberts wrote: > Massaging with peppermint oil helps too. > Gayla Roberts > Always Enough Ranch > Acampo, California > goatclearing > I'm not sure why you'd suggest Peppermint eo for mastitis, but for whatever reason- I'd be extremely careful if you use this on a nursing mom as I'd hate to see this go near baby's eye's and mouth. Elizabeth Whole Life Essentials Pure Organic Essential Oils, Hydrosols, & Natural Products http://www.WholeLifeEssentials.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Dear Raine, Ahhhh, your Nan must have been able to make kefeltafish (sp?) as well. I love that stuff. ;-) She was most likely a very wise woman. Anywho, ask your organic grocer to start carrying the Horseradish. Most of the time it's just a question of asking as it is almost always available. Horseradish is grown all over the America so it's just question of making the right connections and "training" your food suppliers to carry the stuff. They will do it if you bug 'em hard enough. Remember the "Stink Rule" about Garlic. The more Garlic makes you stink, the more toxic you are and the more you need it. Garlic + Toxin = Stink. Without the toxins in your body, Garlic will not make you stink hardly at all regardless of how much you eat of it. I'm glad you spotted the stress factor. Stress is the mental and spiritual common denominator of all disease. When we pull in too many negative people into our lives, the ole stress level goes out the roof and we get sick. Sound like you need to do a Negative Person detox LOL. It's amazing how good you feel when you disconnect from these types. They can be extremely destructive. Hope this helps. In Health and Love, Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - Raine herbal remedies Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:42 AM Re: Herbal Remedies - Mastitis Hi Doc,I'd love to make the Total Tonic, but I'm having trouble hunting down fresh horseradish root. (Wish my Nana was still alive, as she got it for Passover each year...)Today I took echinacea and garlic. (I do find that the garlic gives me quite potent- um- garlic gas.)Believe it or not, this root canal was done many years ago. I know that it's been wreaking havoc over the years, but this is by far the worst. It's just the push I need to have it pulled out! So, while I haven't taken any drugs in a long time, I have been exposed to it's toxicity, and a good share of stress recently.Thanks for your help,RaineDr. Ian Shillington wrote: Dear Raine, I hope I'm not too late in responding to this post of yours. I hate to sound like a broken record, but whenever you have any kind of infection you need to think of GARLIC first and foremost. The Total Tonic Recipe in the files will handle any low grade infection, but if you have none on hand, you can accomplish the same result by using fresh raw garlic. Obviously, your liver is somewhat compromised due to any drugs taken for the root canal, so this may have been the trigger. You did a lot of things right so at least pat yourself on the back for that. ;-) I'd recommend at least 4, preferrable 8 cloves of fresh raw Garlic. Cut 'em in half, lenghwise with the grain and dip 15 of the halves in Organic Olive Oil and down the hatchet. Then at night time before bedtime, take the remaining half, dip it in Olive Oil and use as a suppository. The hot bath or a heating pad should help with the immediate pain itself. In Health and Love, Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 I have a really bad case of mastitis. My doctor prescribed an antibiotic to take care of it, but as a rule I only use those as a last resort. Does anyone know if this is the best idea or if there are other ways to take care of it? Thanks-Whitney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 If you are xperiencing mastitis as a result of weaning or just having too much milk that is not being consumed. Get some jasmine essential oil, use 10 drops in 2 oz castor oil and put in blender with 2 oz sage that you use for cooking or fresh or dried garden sage. Apply to breasts and leave on over night. You can wrap the upper body in saran wrap to keep in place.This works best if you first get under a very hot as you can stand shower and let the hot water stay on the breasts till milk starts to flow out. Do this as long as you like. Drink sage tea throughout the day. Castor oil is available in most drug stores. After you get the hard rock stage to soften, continue with the hot shower and sage tea till problem is gone. Or continue with the jasmine/castor oil/sage treatment. Peace, Thyme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Well if you aren't bothered by slightly burning your skin, then put a slice of garlic on the area that hurts. I did it and actually it made it feel better automatically... Just keep nursing and drinking fluids. Also, a cold compress on the area helps as well. I had mastitis with two of my 3 girls. I'm pretty sure I got it with my second child was because I had a bad bra not suitable for nursing. Anyway, I hope that helps. Lisa " menina_mama " <queen_whitney Sat, 20 Jan 2007 03:36:45 -0000 mastitis I have a really bad case of mastitis. My doctor prescribed an antibiotic to take care of it, but as a rule I only use those as a last resort. Does anyone know if this is the best idea or if there are other ways to take care of it? Thanks-Whitney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Try Cabbage leaf poultices. Get a big green cabbage, wilt the outer leaves, let cool to lukewarm, apply to boobs. Have never had to try it myself but heard from others that it works. Ien in the Kootenays, old wives country http://freegreenliving.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Hot packs, lots of rest and if you are nursing...don't stop! Keep the breast empty. Let your baby nurse. If you can't nurse, then pump. Keep the breast as empty as possible. Where a good supporting bra so the tissues and ducts are able to drain properly and lymph and blood circulation can do there thing properly too. When I got mastitis while nursing,my LeLeche League counselor told me to keep nursing my baby, use hot packs to help with swelling and tenderness, eat lots of yogurt. It worked and I was feeling better within a couple days. Jenny Kernan --- menina_mama <queen_whitney wrote: > I have a really bad case of mastitis. My doctor > prescribed an > antibiotic to take care of it, but as a rule I only > use those as a > last resort. Does anyone know if this is the best > idea or if there > are other ways to take care of it? > Thanks-Whitney > > Quantum Biofeedback Therapy Remote Healing or Local Sessions www.QuantumAssociatesofUtah.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Cabbage Leaves have been an old home remedy that thouands of women have received relief from Mastitis. Someone from the group may be able to help you with the actual notes on how to apply them. (But meanwhile it wouldn't hurt to get a couple of cabbage leaves..cut out the white area and then lie down with cabbage leaves on your breasts and see what happens.) Most doctors also know of this home remedy. All the best Diana Moore http://www.bowentherapy.homestead.com http://www.scoliosis.homestead.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 I must assume you are nursing. I don't know of any way other than an antibiotic. Cabbage leaves can relieve engorgement, the baby can keep it emptied, warmth and massage can try to stimulate blood flow and keep it flowing, but basically it is an infection in a very specific area and needs to be treated as such. You might feel lucky, in 1982 with a very mild case of mastitis, I was told to quit breastfeeding and that the baby would become sensitized to the antibiotic. I did not listen, took the antibiotic, nursed through it, and we're both fine. Good luck. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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