Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 p Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:58:00 -0000 Killing your Baby with Ultrasound For years I have wondered why the authorities NEVER bothered to check the safety issue of ultrasound and say they are safe. I mean, when I was a student. I zap ultrasounds to kill cockroaches, sanitize water and once, I burned my fingers with ultrasound even when my hands were submerged underwater. I found this " safe ultrasound " a bit of lies. So I investigated and here is what I found: 1. Ultrasound will destroy cells in your body. 2. Ultrasound causes genetic damages (sounds like that xray issue all over again.) Here are two links you will find interesting: http://health.consumercide.com/ultrasound01.html Thanks to Sheri Nakken who " Consolidated a bunch of stuff [that she] had on file " ... Problems with Ultrasound/doppler by Edwards (immediately below) Excerpts about ultrasound from " What Doctors Don't Tell You " Excerpt from Anne Frye, midwife and author of " Understanding Lab Work in the Childbearing Year " (4th Ed.) Mercola reference to Journal of Epidemiology Link to Mothering magazine Link to " alternamums " site Men's health issues that may be relevant PROBLEMS w/Ultrasound & Doppler Shadow of a doubt by Rob Edwards ULTRASOUND SCANS can stop cells from dividing and make them commit suicide. A research team in Ireland say this is the first evidence that routine scans, which have let doctors peek at fetuses and internal organs for the past 40 years, affect the normal cell cycle. A team led by Patrick Brennan of University College Dublin gave 12 mice an 8-megahertz scan lasting for 15 minutes. Hospital scans, which reflect inaudible sound waves off soft tissue to produce images on a monitor, use frequencies of between 3 and 10 megahertz and can last for up to an hour The researchers detected two significant changes in the cells of the small intestine in scanned mice compared to the mice that hadn't been scanned. Four and a half hours after exposure, there was a 22 per cent reduction in the rate of cell division, while the rate of programmed cell death or " apoptosis " had approximately doubled. Brennan believes there will be similar effects in humans. " It has been assumed for a long time that ultrasound has no effect on cells, " he says. " We now have grounds to question that assumption. " Brennan stresses, however, that the implications for human health are uncertain. " There are changes happening, but we couldn't say whether they are harmful or harmless, " he explains. The intestine is a very adaptable organ that can compensate for alterations in the cell cycle, says Brennan. It is possible that the sound waves damage the DNA in cells, delaying cell division and repair. Brennan suggests that ultrasound might be switching on the p53 gene which controls cell deaths. This gene, dubbed " the guardian of the genome " , produces a protein that helps cells recognise DNA damage and then either self-destruct or stop dividing. Studies in the early 1990s by researchers at the University of Rochester in New York and the Batelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories in Richland, Washington, showed that tissue heating due to ultrasound can cause bleeding in mouse intestines. Ultrasonographers now tune the power of scans to reduce such heating. But Brennan's work is the first evidence that scans create changes in cells. " Our results are preliminary and need further investigation, " he says. The team presented their results at the Radiology 1999 conference in Birmingham last month and are now preparing them for submission to a peer- reviewed journal. Alex Elliott, a researcher in clinical physics at the University of Glasgow, thinks that Brennan's results are important and should be followed with further studies. " If the conditions of his experiments really compare to the clinical use of ultrasound, " he says, " we may have to review the current safety limits. " From New Scientist, 12 June 1999 Here are some excerpts about ultrasound from " What Doctors Don't Tell You " by Lynne McTaggart. " No well controlled study has yet proved that routine scanning of prenatal patients will improve the outcome of pregnancy " - official statement from American College of Obstetrics & Gynecology in 1984 Some studies show that, with ultrasound, you are more likely to lose your baby. A study from Queen Charlotte's and Chelsea Hospital in London found that women having doppler ultrasound were more likely to lose their babies than those who received only standard neonatal care (17 deaths to 7). A Norwegian study of 2,000 babies found that those subjected to routine ultrasound scanning were 30% more likely to be left-handed than those sho weren't scanned. An Australian study demonstraates that frequent scans increased the proportion of growth-restricted babies by a third, resulting in a higher number of small babies. Exposure to ultrasound also caused delayed speech, according to Canadian researcher Professor James Campbell. The International Childbirth Education Association has maintained that ultrasound is most likely to affect development (behavioral & neurological), blood cells, the immune system, & a child's genetic makeup. Besides the safety issue, there are considerable questions about accuracy. There is a significant chance that your scan will indicate a problem when there isn't one, or fail to pick up aa problem actually there. One study found a " high rate " of false positives, 17% of the pregnant women scanned were shown to have small-for-dates babies, when only 6% actually did - an error rate of nearly one out of three. Another study from Harvard showed that among 3,100 scans, 18 babies were erroneously labeled abnormal, and 17 fetuses with problems were missed. According to Anne Frye, midwife and author of " Understanding Lab Work in the Childbearing Year " (4th Ed.)p. 405 Doppler Devices: Many women do not realize that doppler fetoscopes are ultrasound devices. (apparently, neither do many care providers. Time after time, women are assured by doctors and even some nurse midwives that a doppler is not an ultrasound device.) . . . . Not well publicized for obvious reasons, doppler devices expose the fetus to more powerful ultrasound than real time (imaging) ultrasound exams. One minute of doppler exposure is equal to 35 minutes of real time ultrasound. This is an important point for women to consider when deciding between an ultrasound exam and listening with a doppler to determine viability in early pregnancy. . . . . If you have a doppler, put it aside and make a concerted effort to learn to listen yourself! Save your doppler for those rare occasions when you cannot hear the heart rate late into pushing or to further investigate suspected fetal death. " copyright l990, Anne Frye, B.H. Holistic Midwifery. Personally, after 23 years of attending births, I would not permit a doppler in my house if I were pregnant. You always know that something is ultrasound because there will be " jelly " involved. If you want a cheap listening device for the baby's heart just save the core from a roll of toilet paper. Put one end on the lower belly and the other on hubby's ear. If you want to know your baby is doing well, count the fetal movements in a day. Starting at 9 a.m. count each time the baby kicks. There should be l0 distinct movements by 3 p.m. I think it's sad that some people will do anything to make a buck of the huge pregnant market in North America. Please feel free to forward this post on to any other lists. Gloria Lemay, Vancouver BC Wise Woman Way of Birth Courses http://www.birthlove.com/pages/wise_woman.html>>> Mothering Magazine did a good article on ultrasounds and such in their last issue. You can read the articles at http://www.Mothering.com Click in Recent Articles and they are there. [date of this post: June 30 2003] This (via Mercola) is from the journal " Epidemiology " (Dec 2001), and suggests that ultrasound is associated with mild brain damage. http://www.mercola.com/2001/dec/19/ultrasound.htm My boss, Dr. Mark Ellisman, is a world-renowned research scientist at UCSD who specializes in imaging technologies for the study of brain structure at the cellular level; he has personally found evidence of something called " cavitation " , which is the " rapid formation and collapse of vapor pockets " in fluid within tissue. When my wife and I became pregnant he warned me to keep the ultrasound as short as possible. He knows what he's talking about. Here's a relevant quote: " Free radical production in amniotic fluid and blood plasma by medical ultrasound, probably following gaseous cavitation, has been detected by Crum et al (1987). This provides a likely mechanism for the origin of the DNA damage. Because of these confirmations and a report by Ellisman et al (1987) that diagnostic levels of ultrasound may disrupt myelination in neonatal rats, the need for regulation, guidance, and properly controlled clinical studies is clear. " http://www.aimsusa.org/ultrasnd.htm Here's another useful link: http://www.alternamoms.com/ultrasound.html mirror of this work held locally on consumercide So please don't consider this a benign procedure or an opportunity to get some pretty pictures. and *please* don't get an extra 3D ultrasound, which is a very long scan, to get the 3D picture of your baby. There is a real risk, and it's just not worth it. Do a Google search on " +ultrasound +cavitation " or " +ultrasound +Ellisman " and convince yourself. Just my .02 Dave http://www.ccli.org/contraception/vasectomy.shtml I found this article quite interesting. I also saw this one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1751000/1751177.stm This made me wonder what ultrasound does to developing babies if it can have such a drastic effect on a testicle. Genetic damage of ultrasound: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=10806310 DNA damage induced by micellar-delivered doxorubicin and ultrasound: comet assay study. Husseini GA, El-Fayoumi RI, O'Neill KL, Rapoport NY, Pitt WG. Department of Chemical Engineering, Brigham Young University, Provo, UT 84602, USA. To minimize adverse side effects of chemotherapy, we have developed a micellar drug carrier that retains hydrophobic drugs, and then releases the drug by ultrasonic stimulation. This study investigated the DNA damage induced by doxorubicin (DOX) delivered to human leukemia (HL-60) cells from pluronic P-105 micelles with and without the application of ultrasound. The comet assay was used to quantify the amount of DNA damage. No significant DNA damage was observed when the cells were treated with 0.1, 1 and 10 wt% P-105 with or without ultrasound (70 kHz, 1.3 W/cm(2)) for 1 h or for up to 3 h in 10 wt% P- 105. However, when cells were incubated with 10 microg/ml free DOX for up to 9 h, DNA damage increased with incubation time (P=0.0011). Exposure of cells to the same concentration of DOX in the presence of 10-wt% P-105 showed no significant DNA damage for up to 9 h of incubation. However, when ultrasound was applied, a rapid and significant increase in DNA damage was observed (P=0.0001). The application of ultrasound causes the release of DOX from micelles or causes the HL-60 cells to take up the micelle encapsulated DOX. Our experiments indicated that the combination of DOX, ultrasound and pluronic P105 causes the largest DNA damage to HL-60 cells. We believe that this technique can be used for controlled drug delivery. 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