Fwd: The U.S. patented Cure for AIDS and the Black Community

February 9, 2005

Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:50:15 +0100

" Sepp Hasslberger " <sepp

Fwd: Re: Fwd: The U.S. patented Cure for AIDS and the Black

Community

Boyd Graves commented on the article by Jon Rappoport.

Here is a copy of his comment and my answer.

Sepp

>Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:34:38 +0100

>Boyd Graves <boyded2003

>Sepp Hasslberger <sepp

>Re: Fwd: The U.S. patented Cure for AIDS and the Black

Community

>

>Dear Boyd,

>

>the fact that there was indeed a U.S. Government special virus

>program as documented by you does not in and of itself prove that

>

>1) the HIV virus exists

>(no isolation of the virus has been published in a peer review

journal)

>

>2) that HIV is indeed the cause of the symptoms we define as " Aids " .

>(No one has come even close to explaining how the " virus " does what

>it's claimed to be doing)

>

>We cannot " discuss the truth " as you say. All we can do is discuss

>the facts and try to draw our conclusions, which may approach " the

>truth " , but alas, perfection is not within our reach. I prefer to

>discuss all the facts, that is why I have posted your article. But I

>do not think we should have such a fixed position as not to look at

>the arguments of what you might say is " the other side " of the AIDS

>debate.

>

>Kind regards

>Sepp

>

>>1/8/5

>>

>>Dear Sepp: Very strange how Rappaport's logic falls apart when you

>>throw in the science evidence of the U.S. Special Virus program.

>>When you re-look at the June 3, 1946 Time magazine article, " Better

>>Than the Bomb " ., you realize that people like Rappaport will never

>>look and discuss the truth. In this regard, Dr. Peter Duesberg had

>>to develop an 'outside story' as to a non or disconnection between

>>HIV and AIDS, because he was involved in the program. GO to your

>>local library, call them on the phone, find the U.S> SPecial Virus

>>program yourself, if that is what you are interested in. Boyd Ed

>>Graves, J.D. 619-578-3254

>>

>

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February 11, 2005

Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:42:37 +0100

" Boyd Graves " <boyded2003

" Sepp Hasslberger " <sepp

Subject:Re: Fwd: The U.S. patented Cure for AIDS and the Black Community

Dear Boyd,

we agree on the fact that there WAS a special virus program - you

unearthed the documents - and that it should be investigated to show

what exactly was being looked for and for what purpose.

What I do not see is that the fact there was or still is a research

program going on means that HIV is the cause of AIDS.

I have posted an article today, going into those contradictions.

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2005/02/10/azt_nevirapine_do_antiretroviral\

_drugs_cause_aids.htm

AIDS is a modern day Gordian knot. Let me outline what we know and

ask some provocative questions. First, what we know:

1) Research was done for decades to find an immune destroying disease

bug, a 'virus particle'.

2) Gays were the first community where a new, mysterious " syndrome "

broke out. A hepatitis B vaccination campaign precedes the breakout.

Gays use " poppers " (amyl nitrates) as a recreational drug. One of the

known effects of amyl nitrates is they cause Kaposi's Sarkoma, an

early AIDS-defining disease.

3) It is announced to the press that AIDS is a viral disease. The

name of the virus changes several times, before consensus settles on

" HIV " . The list AIDS defining diseases (more than thirty of them

included in the syndrome's definition) is extended several times.

4) A huge press campaign says " AIDS is going to wipe out mankind

unless we do something immediately " .

5) A highly toxic, failed chemotherapy drug (AZT) becomes the

" treatment of choice " . Other, similarly toxic drugs are added to mix

a " cocktail " later.

6) A large number of so treated individuals die, many from drug " side

effects " , while most of those who refuse treatment and instead

emphasize nutrition and generally a healthy lifestyle remain symptom

free.

7) No one can scientifically explain how " the virus " causes the

diseases that comprise the syndrome.

8) HIV tests are officially not sufficient to prove infection of

individuals (see test instruction leaflets) but nevertheless they are

used to scare people into taking the toxic cocktail " medicines " .

9) Diseases common in Africa are re-defined as " AIDS " and we send

loads of retrovirals to Africa. Many Africans die, from a combination

of diseases prevalent in Africa and of toxic retroviral treatment.

10) Anything that stops or cures the syndrome effectively, is either

forgotten or ridiculed.

11) The carnage continues, mainly in Africa, while European and US

AIDS case numbers are falling.

12) All this time, we quite studiously avoid doing anything to better

the sanitary conditions of hundreds of millions of Africans who live

in misery.

That certainly looks like genocide to me, but it is genocide by

prescription, rather than by virus.

Can the contradictions be reconciled?

Let us assume that someone had indeed decided that a virus particle

that could wipe out selective populations was a neat idea and work

proceeded on that in great secret. The cover: biological warfare

capabilities and defenses.

What if, despite the best efforts of government scientists, such a

virus could not be found and could not even be produced despite all

the attempts at making one, as documented by you?

Would it be possible that this hypothetical plan to wipe out

selective populations proceeded anyway but was changed and the virus,

instead of being the real thing as originally intended, became the

idea that people must be treated with toxic drugs?

Yes, the idea boggles the mind, but let's think about it for a moment.

And no, I am not part of the silence of eugenics. I'm trying to

understand and I invite anyone interested to come along on this

journey of discovery.

Kind regards

Sepp

>Dear Sepp: The fact is, there was a secret federal virus program

>that preceded the onset of HIV/AIDS. All we have ever profferred

>further is that this federal virus development program needs to be

>reviewed.

>

>The 1971 flowchart document has as it's first decision point; the

>necessity for a 'virus particle'. The esp-1 virus was produced and

>sent to Pfizer for vaccine complement.

>

>Since Dr. Peter Duesberg was one of the scientists inside the

>Special Virus program, we do not find it strange that some fringe

>argument would be offerred.

>

>The 1971 flowchart is page 61 of progress report #8. The preceding

>60 pages, answer every question as to why we have a mystery illness

>called HIV/AIDS..

>

>Please bear in mind that HIV/AIDS resembles several animal viruses,

>as far back as 1902 (04) EIAV of horses. Consequently HIV/AIDS

>should not have been a mystery at all since its progenitors (EIAV

>and CAEV and VISNA) were isolated and studied throughout the 20th

>century.

>

>If you are not talking about the U.S. Special Virus program or the

>CURE for AIDS, patent #5676977, you are a part of the silence of

>eugenics. I would hope in a world without Black people that you

>yearn for your brothers and sisters. Boyd Ed Graves

>

>Sepp Hasslberger <sepp wrote: