Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Nora, I have been thinking that way for a long time. These days with " mad cow " disease in the news I am thinking about cows being fed *meat* (!) which has included sick animals (!) which are " rendered down " and added to protein feeds. Here in Canada we just had a TV program called " Apocalypse Cow " on " The Nature Of Things " with David Suzuki. It has a very Canadian emphasis, 'though it does mention British policies, Japanese policies, and a bit about some cases of " Jakob-Creutzfeldt disease (JCD) " (the human version of mad cow disease) in the USA. Growth hormones are also of concern to me. I had it explained to me once that bovine growth hormones don't affect humans. Anyone know about that? Antibiotics fed to the animals are of concern. Stela , " Nora Gottlieb " <nwgott@i...> wrote: > > And did they say WHAT the RED MEAT was fed, and injected with before it was > eaten by these in the *study * group? How was the red meat 's food > raised, chemically sprayed, genetically modified corn, etc.? We just > may be on the track of something useful here if only they would do REAL > SCIENCE!!!! ng > > - > " David Elfstrom " <listbox@e...> > > Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:34 PM > Red meat linked with rheumatoid > arthritis > > > > > > > > Red meat linked with rheumatoid arthritis > > Thu 2 December, 2004 19:13 > > > http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews & storyID=632023 & se\ ction=news > > > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - People who eat lots of red meat may be raising > > their risk of rheumatoid arthritis, an incurable and crippling disease, > > researchers have reported. > > > > A study of 25,000 people living in Europe shows that those who ate the > > most red meat had double the risk of rheumatoid arthritis, compared to > > those who ate the least amount. > > > > And people who ate more protein overall, including other forms of meat > > and plant protein, also had a higher risk of the disease while eating > > fat did not seem to raise the risk, the researchers found. > > > > Rheumatoid arthritis is an autoimmune disease in which the body's immune > > cells mistakenly attack healthy joints. > > > > Maybe eating meat somehow sets the body up to attack similar components, > > the researchers wrote in the latest issue of the journal Arthritis & > > Rheumatism. > > > > " It may be that the high collagen content of meat leads to collagen > > sensitization and consequent production of anticollagen antibodies, " > > Alan Silman and Deborah Symmons at the University of Manchester wrote in > > their report. > > > > " Meat consumption may be linked to either additives or even infectious > > agents, but, again, there is no evidence as to what might be important > > in relation to rheumatoid arthritis. " > > > > Silman and Symmons's team worked with data from 25,000 men and women > > taking part in the European Prospective Investigation of Cancer. These > > volunteers kept a careful food diary for a week, had blood samples drawn > > to confirm the kinds of nutrients they ate most, and have been followed > > since for more than a decade. > > > > About 35 patients developed confirmed rheumatoid arthritis. The RA > > patients were more likely to have been former smokers and tended to eat > > less food containing vitamin C. > > > > The most striking difference, the researchers said, was in terms of > > eating red meat. > > > > " A high level of red meat consumption may represent a novel risk factor > > for inflammatory arthritis or may act as a marker for a group of persons > > with an increased risk from other lifestyle causes, " the researchers > wrote. > > > > " It is unclear whether the association is a causative one, " the report > > said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 I am so glad I gave up red meat 17 years ago! C Stela Nokt <stelanokt wrote: Nora, I have been thinking that way for a long time. These days with " mad cow " disease in the news I am thinking about cows being fed *meat* (!) which has included sick animals (!) which are " rendered down " and added to protein feeds. Here in Canada we just had a TV program called " Apocalypse Cow " on " The Nature Of Things " with David Suzuki. It has a very Canadian emphasis, 'though it does mention British policies, Japanese policies, and a bit about some cases of " Jakob-Creutzfeldt disease (JCD) " (the human version of mad cow disease) in the USA. Growth hormones are also of concern to me. I had it explained to me once that bovine growth hormones don't affect humans. Anyone know about that? Antibiotics fed to the animals are of concern. Stela , " Nora Gottlieb " wrote: > > And did they say WHAT the RED MEAT was fed, and injected with before it was > eaten by these in the *study * group? How was the red meat 's food > raised, chemically sprayed, genetically modified corn, etc.? We just > may be on the track of something useful here if only they would do REAL > SCIENCE!!!! ng > > - > " David Elfstrom " > To: > Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:34 PM > Red meat linked with rheumatoid > arthritis > > > > > > > > Red meat linked with rheumatoid arthritis > > Thu 2 December, 2004 19:13 > > > http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews & storyID=632023§io\ n=news > > > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - People who eat lots of red meat may be raising > > their risk of rheumatoid arthritis, an incurable and crippling disease, > > researchers have reported. > > > > A study of 25,000 people living in Europe shows that those who ate the > > most red meat had double the risk of rheumatoid arthritis, compared to > > those who ate the least amount. > > > > And people who ate more protein overall, including other forms of meat > > and plant protein, also had a higher risk of the disease while eating > > fat did not seem to raise the risk, the researchers found. > > > > Rheumatoid arthritis is an autoimmune disease in which the body's immune > > cells mistakenly attack healthy joints. > > > > Maybe eating meat somehow sets the body up to attack similar components, > > the researchers wrote in the latest issue of the journal Arthritis & > > Rheumatism. > > > > " It may be that the high collagen content of meat leads to collagen > > sensitization and consequent production of anticollagen antibodies, " > > Alan Silman and Deborah Symmons at the University of Manchester wrote in > > their report. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Stela, If you can imagine that when water supplies are checked downstream from a water treatment plant and they can still find traces of the chemicals that have been previously swallowed as medication, then run though someone's body, then flushed through the community Sanitation/Water Treatment Plant, what is your guess about the effects of eating a chemically dosed animal? I try to buy organically raised foods and meats. I hope the Canadian meat ranchers will soon turn to natural pasture and hay feeds. To quote someone...*there is no AWAY* (it all shows up somewhere!) NG - " Stela Nokt " <stelanokt Saturday, December 04, 2004 3:05 PM Re: Red Meat And Agricultural Practises > Nora, I have been thinking that way for a long time. These days with > " mad cow " disease in the news I am thinking about cows being fed > *meat* (!) which has included sick animals (!) which are " rendered > down " and added to protein feeds. Here in Canada we just had a TV > program called " Apocalypse Cow " on " The Nature Of Things " with David > Suzuki. It has a very Canadian emphasis, 'though it does mention > British policies, Japanese policies, and a bit about some cases of > " Jakob-Creutzfeldt disease (JCD) " (the human version of mad cow > disease) in the USA. > > Growth hormones are also of concern to me. I had it explained to me > once that bovine growth hormones don't affect humans. Anyone know > about that? Antibiotics fed to the animals are of concern. > > Stela > > Please pass this message or article on to someone else so that they may learn also. > > Community Newsletters. > http://www.alternative-medicine-newsletter.info > > Community Message Boards. > http://www.alternative-medicine-message-boards.info > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus Pauling > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being. > > . > list or archives: > > :........ - > post:............. alternative_Medicine_Forum > digest form:...... -digest > individual emails: -normal > no email:......... -nomail > moderator:........ -owner > :...... - > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 I guess the fault may lie with slaughter house practises and that farmers may be being dictated to. Have you heard about such problems? I usually eat naturally raised Canadian beef, which is not certified organic, but is cleanly raised. The big stir now is to outlaw people from buying from local producers, so the diet will be whatever the slaughter houses " serve up " . Not appealing to me. Stela , " Nora Gottlieb " <nwgott@i...> wrote: > > Stela, > If you can imagine that when water supplies are checked downstream from a > water treatment plant and they can still find traces of the chemicals that > have been previously swallowed as medication, then run though someone's > body, then flushed through the community Sanitation/Water Treatment Plant, > what is your guess about the effects of eating a chemically dosed animal? > > I try to buy organically raised foods and meats. I hope the Canadian meat > ranchers will soon turn to natural pasture and hay feeds. > To quote someone...*there is no AWAY* (it all shows up somewhere!) NG > > - > > " Stela Nokt " <stelanokt> > > Saturday, December 04, 2004 3:05 PM > Re: Red Meat And Agricultural > Practises > > > > Nora, I have been thinking that way for a long time. These days with > > " mad cow " disease in the news I am thinking about cows being fed > > *meat* (!) which has included sick animals (!) which are " rendered > > down " and added to protein feeds. Here in Canada we just had a TV > > program called " Apocalypse Cow " on " The Nature Of Things " with David > > Suzuki. It has a very Canadian emphasis, 'though it does mention > > British policies, Japanese policies, and a bit about some cases of > > " Jakob-Creutzfeldt disease (JCD) " (the human version of mad cow > > disease) in the USA. > > > > Growth hormones are also of concern to me. I had it explained to me > > once that bovine growth hormones don't affect humans. Anyone know > > about that? Antibiotics fed to the animals are of concern. > > > > Stela > > > > > Please pass this message or article on to someone else so that they may > learn also. > > > > Community Newsletters. > > http://www.alternative-medicine-newsletter.info > > > > Community Message Boards. > > http://www.alternative-medicine-message-boards.info > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus Pauling > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and > well being. > > > > . > > list or archives: > > > > :........ - > > post:............. alternative_Medicine_Forum > > digest form:...... -digest > > individual emails: -normal > > no email:......... -nomail > > moderator:........ -owner > > :...... - > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Yes, the various problems with meat make vegetarianism look very appealing! Stela , Christina <cbmd3> wrote: > > I am so glad I gave up red meat 17 years ago! > > C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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