Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 Special thanks to you, Jo, you have cleared up my confusion, and explained why when I tested out all of my supplements etc it was ok to take primrose oil and flaxseed oil as well, I was wondering what what was going on if there was a problem with omega 6 oils! I am already taking selenium and zinc daily thanks, at least I know I can trust my dowsing method now for what to use and what not to use 100%, because your information has explained the only decrepency and bears out the rest of my results. fortunately, I did a short course in Kinesiology a few years ago, and soon afterwards I discovered that simple dowsing is just as good as kinesiology for testing for food intolerances and which remedies and supplements to use;so I have been able to save my money to spend on seeing my homeopathic practitioner. I totally agree this is the best path for me, I have had three happy years of remission already from using homeopathy so I consider that to be proof. I have ordered myself in some Olivio olive oil margarine, that tests out as being ok for me to use, and as you say, butter contains saturated fats amongst other things. I already bought some more flaxseed oil, but I dont think it will be too difficult to get that changed for fish oils, I will just have to wait until I am well enough to go into town again. I will take note of your comments about contaminants and contact Holland and Barrett first to make sure that their EPA is definitely mercury free. Would you just confirm for me, as I expect you know what dosage I will need, of the active DHA and omega 3 constituents, I cant find the original link containing the recommended dosage for CFS that I used to have? I have one other question for you please if that is ok, for a friend who is pregnant, and has CFS and severe depression too, bless her. Her depression has seriously worsened since she became pregnant and I have got the idea this may be at least partly due to the increased need for omega 3's during pregnancy. Its a bit of a bind to say the least, since fish and EPA's are said to be best avoided in pregnancy, what with EPA's apparently being such a good treatment for depression as well. Can you tell me the reason why EPA is not recommended in pregnancy if it is not the possible mercury content, and have you got any ideas that could help her, as she is advised not to take antidepressants in pregnancy either. All the Best yvonne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 , " Yvonne " <simplicity46@h...> wrote: Special thanks to you, Jo, you have cleared up my confusion, and explained why when I tested out all of my supplements etc it was ok to take primrose oil and flaxseed oil as well, I was wondering what what was going on if there was a problem with omega 6 oils! I am already taking selenium and zinc daily thanks, at least I know I can trust my dowsing method now for what to use and what not to use 100%, because your information has explained the only decrepency and bears out the rest of my results. fortunately, I did a short course in Kinesiology a few years ago, and soon afterwards I discovered that simple dowsing is just as good as kinesiology for testing for food intolerances and which remedies and supplements to use;so I have been able to save my money to spend on seeing my homeopathic practitioner. I totally agree this is the best path for me, I have had three happy years of remission already from using homeopathy so I consider that to be proof. I have ordered myself in some Olivio olive oil margarine, that tests out as being ok for me to use, and as you say, butter contains saturated fats amongst other things. I already bought some more flaxseed oil, but I dont think it will be too difficult to get that changed for fish oils, I will just have to wait until I am well enough to go into town again. I will take note of your comments about contaminants and contact Holland and Barrett first to make sure that their EPA is definitely mercury free. Would you just confirm for me, as I expect you know what dosage I will need, of the active DHA and omega 3 constituents, I cant find the original link containing the recommended dosage for CFS that I used to have? I have one other question for you please if that is ok, for a friend who is pregnant, and has CFS and severe depression too, bless her. Her depression has seriously worsened since she became pregnant and I have got the idea this may be at least partly due to the increased need for omega 3's during pregnancy. Its a bit of a bind to say the least, since fish and EPA's are said to be best avoided in pregnancy, what with EPA's apparently being such a good treatment for depression as well. Can you tell me the reason why EPA is not recommended in pregnancy if it is not the possible mercury content, and have you got any ideas that could help her, as she is advised not to take antidepressants in pregnancy either. All the Best yvonne Dear Yvonne, If you're relying on flax for your EFAs, I would ensure that the supplements are from an organic source! There have been problems with flax oil in the past, so my preference would be the flaxseeds rather than the oils. Flax oil goes rancid very easily. Unless it is in the refrigerated section of the health food store, I just wouldn't purchase it. Just my personal opinion on the subject, though. Margarines are a hot topic. I always try to avoid them myself as they are usually a source of harmful hydrogenated oils. They inevitably interfere with the assimilation of any existing essential fatty acids, alter your cell permeability and in addition always raise LDL cholesterol to abnormally high levels. Although I haven't checked just recently I believe that Olivio has many transfats included as well. It is best to check out ingredient labels often as they do change occasionally. There are really no healthy margarines on the market. I use organic nut butters on my Ezekiel breads or a home made apple butter made without sugar provides a nice alternative to more traditional spreads. Some people put a small tub of extra virgin olive oil in the freezer for a short while to make their own margarine. Some middle eastern countries dip their breads in extra virgin olive oil or salsa. Previously I used a spread called " Promise " . It was labeled heart healthy, however it almost cost me my life!! Because of this and numerous other transfats I was consuming in snacks, fast foods and baked goods I developed a terrible heart and artery problem, never even realizing that transfats were the source of my problem! We never know, when we rely on food advertisements for our information. Transfats, along with sugars and other " refined' foods are poisonous! They line the arteries with terrible arterial plaques which block the blood flow to our heart. There are numerous fancy names for this condition, however I know now that it is all the result of processed refined food consumption! We are a nation of fast food faddists and it is costing us our lives. The new margarines, benecol and take control are also very unhealthy, even though they are `recommended' by the medical profession. They serve them in hospitals to those who survive heart attacks. What a travesty! Mary Ruth Swope, Phd, nutritionist, claims that the body does not recognize them (transfats) as food and the immune system is mobilized. Makes sense to me. I believe that margarines are more problematic than anyone wants to admit. After years of eating transfats, my condition started to improve almost immediately when I eliminated them from my diet. I believe that Essiac is an excellent herbal preparation for Mercury detox. There are several companies who market it at the moment, however in my opinion, Flora is the very best formula around. These special herbs help to drive out the poison in a very unique manner. It is commonly used as an alternative cancer treatment, however I am also aware that it is effective for eliminating heavy metals from the system. www.florainc.com Although I'm not aware of the source of your information regarding fish oils in pregnancy, Balch and other alternative physicians do not at all advise eliminating them. As for EFAs, the only essential fatty acid that is contraindicated in pregancy is Evening Primrose oil and that is a GLA (omega-6 oil) The GLA in black currant juice may be safely substituted for this during pregnancy. The best sources are farner markets where they usually have the better imported brands. The taste of these imported (typically from various European countries) juices are quite superb! There are other ways to obtain EFA's during pregnancy, namely raw nuts and seeds. She may also benefit from eating more raw alkaline fruits and cruciferous vegetables at this time. It is best to avoid peanuts in any form. Peanuts are not a nut anyway, it is actually a legume and typically genetically engineered. I know that some sources advise avoiding fish during pregnancy. Tuna the most commonly used fish, is not a good source of EFAs anyway, and the chicken broth and other msg related additives in tuna are contraindicated in pregnancy. It is better to eat cold water fish such as alaskan salmon, although Atlantic salmon is to be avoided. Atlantic salmon or fish that is `farmed' is higher in contaminants! To be safe one should eat fish that are lower on the food chain. Sardines (in water) are a very good source of omega 3s. However, those which are packed in soybean oil are high in fat and in addition soy is not considered a healthy oil. If you recall my other post I stated that it is high in unhealthy omega-6s (genetic engineering and refining of oils). The EFAs from a food source are more readily available anyway and this is what she should be striving for in pregnancy. I definitely would NOT advise taking any psychiatric meds, either during or after pregnancy. They contribute to a depressed, sad state and create a dependency, irregardless of everything the M.Ds are saying. Better results can be obtained with the proper diet, exercise and a more healthy lifestyle. Something like Udo's oils may be effective for both of you to use. I recommend it very highly. Udo maintains that it is the very best source of fatty acids and many have used it with good results. It is a good source of combined omega 3s, 6s, and 9s and from what I've heard it can be obtained in the UK. www.udoerasmus.com CFS and Fibro is linked to stressed out adrenals. If your friend is eating refined sugar, this may pose a real problem. A craving for sweets can be safely and easily replaced with more natural things such as stevia, maple syrup or raw honey. The refining of sugar creates an indigestible state of fermentation in the gut. Ginger root of licorice tea may help the adrenals. Blackstrap molasses provides B vitamins and raises energy levels. Coconut (unsweetened fresh), pineapples and coconut milk provides extra enzymes and helps your body make the pantothenic acid your body needs to overcome these deficiencies. Hugs and bright blessings! JoAnn _________________ JoAnn Guest mrsjoguest DietaryTipsForHBP www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Genes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 Thank you very much Jo, ( aww that is my daughters name too) I will pass on the information to my pregnant friend, and I promise I will leave you in peace from now on, I am sure you have more important things to do than explaining things to me. As I said Olivio already tested out as being perfectly safe for me to use or I wouldnt have ordered it, and they do actually state that it 'contains virtually no trans fatty acids, no hydrogenated fats at all, and is rich in monounsaturates and low in saturates', so I am happy with it. I just had the one query which made me doubt my dowsing method momentarily for testing foods and supplements, and that was the omega 6 question, which you have explained beautifully, thank you. I should have trusted it more, it has shown itself to be as completely reliable as Kineisiology in the past when I compared the two in some experiments. I am already using honey instead of sugar now, as sugar tested out as unsafe but honey was very good, I believe that honey may also have the ability to assist the immune system, I forget the science but I recall that it has some very good things in it. And ginger came up as being very good too, I love it so have increased my consumption, and am avoiding hot pepper and chili now as they tested out as bad for me. I think I am already feeling a little bit better since giving up the Flora and corn oils recently and increasing my consumption of extra virgin olive oil and flaxseed oil, (the flaxseed oil capsules are combined with vitamin E to preserve them, and packaged in dark amber capsules and an opaque dark brown bottle to keep out the light,and they are organic. I am pleased to be able to resume my use of Evening primrose oil too, which had tested out as being very good. I am still not sure about the correct dosage of flaxseed oil, but now I am absolutely certain that my dowsing method will be able to confirm that for me. I am going to change back to EPA fish oil soon, when I have used up my flaxseed, but I will first ensure that it is contaminant free. I am pleased to relate that the homeopathic remedies I have been given have already decreased my night sweats and daytime temperature fluctuations dramatically, at first they made all of my symptoms much worse (which is always a good sign), but now things are calming down beautifully, I am even having a little less pain than I had before. This is great news for me because it is my aim not just to remove the mercury etc, but also to get myself away from the need to take any of the dreadful drugs my doctor prescribes for symptoms, which she has to admit are not good for my health lol! I think my practitioner will be pleased, he was very excited about giving me the Plutonium and Syph. combination, I gather it is relatively new. I will follow up your useful links now, I need all the help I can get lol, and I always pass on any helpful information I can find to fellow FMS/CFS sufferers. thanks again, you are an angel all the Best Yvonne , " JoAnn Guest " <angelprincessjo> wrote: > > > , " Yvonne " > <simplicity46@h...> wrote: > > Special thanks to you, Jo, you have cleared up my confusion, and > explained why when I tested out all of my supplements etc > it was ok to take primrose oil and flaxseed oil as well, I was > wondering what what was going on if there was a problem with omega 6 > oils! > > I am already taking selenium and zinc daily thanks, at least I know > I can trust my dowsing method now for what to use and what not to > use 100%, because your information has explained the only decrepency > and bears out the rest of my results. > > fortunately, I did a short course in Kinesiology a few years ago, > and soon afterwards I discovered that simple dowsing is just as good > as kinesiology for testing for food intolerances and which remedies > and supplements to use;so I have been able to save my money to spend > on seeing my homeopathic practitioner. > I totally agree this is the > best path for me, I have had three happy years of remission already > from using homeopathy so I consider that to be proof. > > I have ordered myself in some Olivio olive oil margarine, that tests > out as being ok for me to use, and as you say, butter contains > saturated fats amongst other things. > I already bought some more flaxseed oil, but I dont think it > will be too difficult to get that changed for fish oils, I will just > have to wait until I am well enough to go into town again. > I will take note of your comments about contaminants and contact > Holland and Barrett first to make sure that their EPA is definitely > mercury free. > > Would you just confirm for me, as I expect you know what dosage I > will need, of the active DHA and omega 3 constituents, I > cant find the original link containing the recommended dosage for > CFS that I used to have? > > I have one other question for you please if that is ok, for a friend > who is pregnant, and has CFS and severe depression too, bless her. > Her depression has seriously worsened since she became pregnant and > I have got the idea this may be at least partly due to the increased > need for omega 3's during pregnancy. > > Its a bit of a bind to say the least, since fish and EPA's are said > to be best avoided in pregnancy, what with EPA's apparently being > such a good treatment for depression as well. > Can you tell me the reason why EPA is not recommended in pregnancy > if it is not the possible mercury content, and have you got any > ideas that could help her, as she is advised not to take > antidepressants in pregnancy either. > > All the Best > yvonne > > Dear Yvonne, > If you're relying on flax for your EFAs, I would ensure that the > supplements are from an organic source! There have been problems > with flax oil in the past, so my preference would be the flaxseeds > rather than the oils. Flax oil goes rancid very easily. Unless it is > in the refrigerated section of the health food store, I just > wouldn't purchase it. Just my personal opinion on the subject, > though. > > Margarines are a hot topic. I always try to avoid them myself as > they are usually a source of harmful hydrogenated oils. They > inevitably interfere with the assimilation of any existing essential > fatty acids, alter your cell permeability and in addition always > raise LDL cholesterol to abnormally high levels. > > Although I haven't checked just recently I believe that Olivio has > many transfats included as well. It is best to check out ingredient > labels often as they do change occasionally. There are really no > healthy margarines on the market. > I use organic nut butters on my Ezekiel breads or a home made apple > butter made without sugar provides a nice alternative to more > traditional spreads. > Some people put a small tub of extra virgin olive oil in the freezer > for a short while to make their own margarine. Some middle eastern > countries dip their breads in extra virgin olive oil or salsa. > > Previously I used a spread called " Promise " . It was labeled heart > healthy, however it almost cost me my life!! Because of this and > numerous other transfats I was consuming in snacks, fast foods and > baked goods I developed a terrible heart and artery problem, never > even realizing that transfats were the source of my problem! > > We never know, when we rely on food advertisements for our > information. Transfats, along with sugars and other " refined' foods > are poisonous! They line the arteries with terrible arterial plaques > which block the blood flow to our heart. There are numerous fancy > names for this condition, however I know now that it is all the > result of processed refined food consumption! We are a nation of > fast food faddists and it is costing us our lives. The new > margarines, benecol and take control are also very unhealthy, even > though they are `recommended' by the medical profession. They serve > them in hospitals to those who survive heart attacks. What a > travesty! > > Mary Ruth Swope, Phd, nutritionist, claims that the body does not > recognize them (transfats) as food and the immune system is > mobilized. Makes sense to me. I believe that margarines are more > problematic than anyone wants to admit. After years of eating > transfats, my condition started to improve almost immediately when I > eliminated them from my diet. > > I believe that Essiac is an excellent herbal preparation for Mercury > detox. > There are several companies who market it at the moment, however in > my opinion, Flora is the very best formula around. > These special herbs help to drive out the poison in a very unique > manner. It is commonly used as an alternative cancer treatment, > however I am also aware that it is effective for eliminating heavy > metals from the system. > www.florainc.com > > Although I'm not aware of the source of your information regarding > fish oils in pregnancy, Balch and other alternative physicians do > not at all advise eliminating them. > As for EFAs, the only essential fatty acid that is contraindicated > in pregancy is Evening Primrose oil and that is a GLA (omega-6 oil) > > The GLA in black currant juice may be safely substituted for this > during pregnancy. The best sources are farner markets where they > usually have the better imported brands. The taste of these imported > (typically from various European countries) juices are quite superb! > > There are other ways to obtain EFA's during pregnancy, namely raw > nuts and seeds. She may also benefit from eating more raw alkaline > fruits and cruciferous vegetables at this time. > > It is best to avoid peanuts in any form. Peanuts are not a nut > anyway, > it is actually a legume and typically genetically engineered. > > I know that some sources advise avoiding fish during pregnancy. Tuna > the most commonly used fish, is not a good source of EFAs anyway, > and the chicken broth and other msg related additives in tuna are > contraindicated in pregnancy. > > It is better to eat cold water fish such as alaskan salmon, although > Atlantic salmon is to be avoided. Atlantic salmon or fish that > is `farmed' is higher in contaminants! > > To be safe one should eat fish that are lower on the food chain. > Sardines (in water) are a very good source of omega 3s. However, > those which are packed in soybean oil are high in fat and in > addition soy is not considered a healthy oil. If you recall my other > post I stated that it is high in unhealthy omega-6s (genetic > engineering and refining of oils). > > The EFAs from a food source are more readily available anyway and > this is what she should be striving for in pregnancy. > > I definitely would NOT advise taking any psychiatric meds, either > during or after pregnancy. They contribute to a depressed, sad state > and create a dependency, irregardless of everything the M.Ds are > saying. > Better results can be obtained with the proper diet, exercise and a > more healthy lifestyle. > > Something like Udo's oils may be effective for both of you to use. I > recommend it very highly. Udo maintains that it is the very best > source of fatty acids and many have used it with good results. It is > a good source of combined omega 3s, 6s, and 9s and from what I've > heard it can be obtained in the UK. > www.udoerasmus.com > > CFS and Fibro is linked to stressed out adrenals. If your friend is > eating refined sugar, this may pose a real problem. A craving for > sweets can be safely and easily replaced with more natural things > such as stevia, maple syrup or raw honey. The refining of sugar > creates an indigestible state of fermentation in the gut. Ginger > root of licorice tea may help the adrenals. > Blackstrap molasses provides B vitamins and raises energy levels. > > Coconut (unsweetened fresh), pineapples and coconut milk provides > extra enzymes and helps your body make the pantothenic acid your > body needs to overcome these deficiencies. > > Hugs and bright blessings! > JoAnn > _________________ > JoAnn Guest > mrsjoguest@s... > DietaryTipsForHBP > www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Genes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 , " Yvonne " <simplicity46@h...> wrote: > > Thank you very much Jo, > ( aww that is my daughters name too) > I will pass on the information to my pregnant friend, and I promise I will leave you in peace from now on, I am sure you have more important things to do than explaining things to me. You are quite welcome! Life is so unpredictable and although there may be delays in responding, we know that we have quite a few more options than the mainstream media provides us with. > As I said Olivio already tested out as being perfectly safe for me to use or I wouldnt have ordered it, and they do actually state that > it 'contains virtually no trans fatty acids, no hydrogenated fats at all, and is rich in monounsaturates and low in saturates', so I am happy with it. Ingredients found on Olivio Premium Spread label: Taken from Lee Iacocca's website! http://www.olivioproducts.com/faq.htm OLIVIO VEGETABLE OIL BLEND INGREDIENTS: (LIQUID CANOLA OIL, (rapeseed oil) **PARTIALLY " HYDROGENATED " *SOYBEAN OIL** ( " hydrogenated fats are heated to high temps for hours...a very unhealthy practice... in acombination with aluminum or some other harmful metals) EXTRA LIGHT OLIVE OIL),(only extra virgin olive oil is expeller pressed) WHEY (FROM MILK),(contains IGF-1, growth hormones) REFINED SALT, VEGETABLE **MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES** ( a very common transfat!), *SOY*LECITHIN, (soy is genetically engineered unless otherwise specified as non-gmo) POTASSIUM SORBATE (USED TO PROTECT QUALITY), CITRIC ACID, VITAMIN A (PALMITATE), BETA CAROTENE (FOR COLOR), NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS. > > I just had the one query which made me doubt my dowsing method > momentarily for testing foods and supplements, and that was the omega 6 question, which you have explained beautifully, thank you. You're so welcome! I love to share and am happy to be able to help in any way possible as time permits. It is so difficult to fully express the concept of healing in a single email, though. I hope that everything is taken in good faith as that is the way I hope to present it. I usually am not this insistent, however these types of fats were so destructive to my health and as I say they nearly cost me my life. > I think I am already feeling a little bit better since giving up the Flora and corn oils recently and increasing my consumption of extra virgin olive oil and flaxseed oil, (the flaxseed oil capsules are combined with vitamin E to preserve them, and packaged in dark amber capsules and an opaque dark brown bottle to keep out the light,and they are organic. I am pleased to be able to resume my use of Evening primrose oil too, which had tested out as being very good. > I am still not sure about the correct dosage of flaxseed oil, but now I am absolutely certain that my dowsing method will be able to > confirm that for me. I am going to change back to EPA fish oil soon, when I have used up my flaxseed, but I will first ensure that it is contaminant free. It sounds as if you have an excellent product there. Yes, I believe that fish oils are more readily assimilated especially for those who are afflicted with an autoimmune disease such as yours. > I am pleased to relate that the homeopathic remedies I have been > given have already decreased my night sweats and daytime temperature fluctuations dramatically, at first they made all of my symptoms much worse (which is always a good sign), but now things are calming down beautifully, I am even having a little less pain than I had before This is great news for me because it is my aim not just to remove the mercury etc, but also to get myself away from the need to take any of the dreadful drugs my doctor prescribes for symptoms, which she has to admit are not good for my health lol! I would agree, drugs never provide us with any solutions!! They tend to exacerbate any existing problems while suppressing symptoms just enough to make us believe we are improving a little. It is best to get to the root of the problem, with the right supplement for our specific health concern along with a change of diet to include more healthy organic foods. This is the only way we can be assured that our final healing is genuine. > I will follow up your useful links now, I need all the help I can get lol, and I always pass on any helpful information I can find to > fellow FMS/CFS sufferers. > > thanks again, you are an angel (Hmm...lol! Thanks!) JoAnn P.S. Here are some excerpts taken from my webpage " Transfats " FYI There's more to the word " hydrogenated " than meets the eye. It is a process by which unsaturated fats have been altered from their natural liquid state into an artery-clogging saturated fat and become more dangerous than animal fats could ever be.. It is wise to be cautious each time you see, " Made with pure vegetable oils " . It doesn't mean a thing if that particular oil has undergone " hydrogenation. " " TRANSFATS " ( Toxic " Plastic " Fats)! The process of 'Hydrogenation' makes terrifying reading. 1. Vegetable oil is mixed thoroughly with fine particles of nickel or copper. 2. It is heated to approximately 400 degrees and kept at that temperature for six hours. 3. Meanwhile Hydrogen *gas* is pumped through the mixture at high pressure and the excited hydrogen atoms penetrate the vegetable oil molecules which chemically changes them into " transfats " (transfatty acids). These are new, complex substances not found in nature. 4. This mixture must be kept very hot. If it cools down the whole production line will get clogged. 5.This mixture is then cooled down to form tiny hard " plastic " beads, known as 'hydrogenated' oil.. 6. The beads of hydrogenated oil are then mixed up with some more liquid oil and heated again to high temperatures. 7.When this cools, you have *margarine*! Reprinted with kind permission from: " Now You Can Say Goodbye to Hydrogenated Fats. " (1994) (A leaflet supplied by Whole Earth Foods). _ Because these fats are not at all natural,and have a " plastic-like " quality, the body has great difficulty trying to use and eliminate them. They are prevalent in " processed " foods. Whenever you eat them, you are putting your body under extra pressure simply to deal with this substance that you do not really need to eat! In fact it takes 30 days for hydrogenated fats to go through the digestive process, the reason being that the body doesn't recognize them as natural foods and doesn't know what to do with them. In fact, it is thought that our immune system actually attempts to fight these unknown invaders leading to more autoimmune disease as well. Autoimmune disease is a situation where the body attempts to attack its own immune sytem. Americans have more heart attacks than any other country in the world! When you read about the horrible way these trans-fatty acids are made, we tend to wonder why they are still on the market. Dr. Walter Willett Ph. D. of the Harvard School of Medicine believes they are one of the major factors in the high rate of cardiovascular and heart disease in this country. I wholeheartedly agree www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Transfats.html www.florainc.com www.udoerasmus.com JoAnn Guest mrsjoguest@s... DietaryTipsForHBP www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Genes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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