Was The IP6... Vitamins/Mnerals threatened??? Help.. need advice..

[Guest guest]

, " firemoon67 "

 

HI JoAnn...

 

Thanks again for more good info on IP-6.

 

I shared the info about vitamins with someone and

she wrote this. I'd like to know what you and others think of it. It's confusing

to me

now.

 

Don't wake up next August to find your supplements gone for good. Join me in

taking action now, and recruit everyone you can to join the battle. While

our troops are fighting for your freedom and mine overseas, you and I can

literally fight for American freedom right here at home....

BE AWARE THAT THE SUPPLEMENT INDUSTRY IS BEING LED TO THE CLIFF FROM

WITHIN.

 

She responded:

 

This is one of the most difficult things to deal with that I've

ever seen. The amount of misinformation coming about this is appalling.

I'll try to address some of it here:

 

1) We, the US, are NOT obligated to adopt the EU Codex. The goal is for

all nations to cooperate, but there is room left there for some autonomy.

This is one of the things for which we are allowed autonomy.

 

2) The two bills mentioned are bills that are necessary because of

supplements like Metabolife and a few others that load up their supplements

with ridivculous amounts of poor quality herbs that can, and have been

harmful to people. The resistance the alternative crowd has had for years

to self-policing has led to a need for intervention. These bills are not

taking anything off the market; however, when there is a report of a serious

adverse incident (defined in the bills--death, serious illness requiring

hospitalization, and other such things) the manufacturer will be required to

present the supplement to the FDA and defend its safety.

 

The language in the bill does tend to make one want to say, " Hey! Why

don't you apply these standards to pharmaceutical drugs??? "

 

The fact is, these standards, and more stringent ones are applied. And

it still doesn't work.

 

 

Many people think these bills are tricks to help the drug industry.

Well, it could help the drug industry that is now making a myriad of

nutritional supplements. People need to realize that they can rise up and

not allow CODEX to happen but that some oversight on the safety of these

other supplements is not a bad thing. It keeps the playing field level for

those of us who are careful, don't offer or recommend inferior products, and

know what we're talking about--in other words, money is not allowed to

overshadow safety and efficacy.

 

 

I would recommend that the bills be read in their entirety and that no

one take the word of anyone, including me, on this.

 

The only other time I saw something founded on rumor and speculation

instead of fact was within thr past two years when a drug company 'plant'

actually managed to convince some of the finest names in the battle against

psychiatric drugging that he was on their side and talked them all into

appearing at a two day conference to which people (and their families) who

had been harmed by psychiatric drugs were invited to attend. I was the

onlyt person in this anti-drug collective who kept saying the man was a

schill for the pharma industry. I even turned up some viable evidence.

They all ignored me because he did a great job flattering them and

convinicing them he had retired from big pharma to now help them. To make

a long story short, they all attended and spoke atb this conference only to

find out that 50% of the people in the audience were from the drug industry

and were trying to get a leg up on defending against the very charges that

the anti-drug people leveled at them. They also tried to get patients and

families to sign off on injuries from drugs for nominal sums of $1500 to

$5000. The experts were appalled...and humiliated. They crawled away with

their tails between their legs and quickly distanced themselves from this

man who had already built a website listing them as partners and colleagues.

 

 

I'm seeing similar influence here where it doesn't seem to matter how much

I point out that the bills are being misrepresented.

 

What do y ou think JoAnn and anyone else that will respond.

 

Best to you all.

 

Sally

 

 

 

 

 

<moonfire2@v...> wrote:

>

>

> Thank you Joann for all the good info. I'm on a well here on the island in

> Washington and have been for 15 years..We have good water.. I'm in hopes the

cell

> forte IP-6 will cleanse the system in 30 days and I need to overcome the loose

bowel

> condition and toxins floating in the blood stream. I've ordered several other

aides

> along wtih the IP6 so am looking forward to improving my health.

>

> Blessings to you and all the great info you share.

>

> Sally

>

>

>

>

, " JoAnn Guest "

> <angelprincessjo> wrote:

> >

> >

> > , " firemoon67 "

> > <moonfire2@v...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Joann,

> > >

> > > My skin has been breaking out the last few months..I know that's

> > toxins.. I've been having a cough hang on even with meds that I

> > prefer not to take.. I've had several months of loose bowels...

> > This tells me the immune system is screaming for help.

> > >

> > > Thanks for this great and informative post. It was just what I

> > needed. I ordered it last night.

> > > Blessings for all the info you share and for this wonderful list.

> > > Sally H

> > >

> > , " JoAnn Guest "

> > <angelprincessjo> wrote:

> > >

> > > The IP6 Rice Bran " Cleanse "

> > > By Bill Sardi

> > > http://www.billsardi.com/sdm.asp?pg=ip6_cleanse

> >

> > Hi Sally!

> > Blessings to you as well! I have a few suggestions to share

> > regarding the acne. First of all I do believe all the symptoms you

> > have listed are closely linked to toxins, both in our foods and

> > environment, and there are so many of them now, it seems. There is

> > more basis for eating an organic diet as time goes on and especially

> > as our food and water supply becomes increasingly perverted.

> > We came upon some new information just recently which was somewhat

> > surprising and very shocking to me.

> > I had known for quite some time that tap water and/or filtered water

> > interferes with the thyroid, so we had been using what we thought

> > were the `better brands' of bottled water. Considering the fact that

> > bottled water packaging leaves a lot to be desired I had changed

> > to " clear " packaging just within the past several months.

> > My supply became exhausted and I seemed to be unable to obtain any

> > on this specific day and noticing that one family owned health food

> > store in my area had carried this specific brand I contacted them

> > regarding pricing. Not surprisingly, the price was doubled at this

> > store. So I went on to question her regarding the difference in

> > brands. What I discovered has led me to believe that the quality of

> > many bottled brands leaves much to be desired. Although it is

> > doubtful that I would ever take up drinking tap water again, I can

> > readily see that we have very few options if we really desire to

> > drink " pure " water!

> > The individual who provided me with this information is a highly

> > trained professional(therapist) in the field of natural medicine.

> > She informed me that after testing out various brands, she found

> > that " Poland Spring " bottled water was the ONLY brand that tested

> > out pure! It was quite a shock to me, for this was not at all what

> > I was expecting to hear. I was told also that every other bottled

> > water brand had traces (actually more than a trace) of the same

> > chemicals that exist in our tap water, including those that

> > adversely affect the thyroid (fluorides, etc).

> > So if you live in the U.S. I am passing this information on to you

> > as well. I believe that the quality of our water is very important!

> > This is not information that the average consumer has at their

> > disposal,which makes it even more difficult to choose!

> > Many of the health problems you mentioned are closely linked to

> > chemicals in our water and foods.

> > This lady does the water testing for her patients. I am not one of

> > her patients, however she kindly shared this information with me and

> > I'm passing it along. I had been purchasing Ice Mountain water which

> > in her words is of very poor quality. Absopure is also poor quality

> > as are the other generic brands.

> > At least now that we're aware perhaps we can eliminate some of

> > these toxins that we have been taking in. This is just one more

> > example of how we are being misled on a daily basis. Those of us who

> > are trying to improve our health should all assume the role of

> > an `activist'. I believe this is the only way that we are going to

> > achieve any measure of success. Otherwise we will be wasting our

> > money on inferior quality products.

> > The standard american diet, high in sugar and low in nutirition is

> > at the root of our ills. As long as we are unable to determine

> > food/water quality the changes we make are basically trial and

> > error, which makes it even more difficult to improve our situation.

> > I wish you well. We all need to be more aware, however as long as

> > the truth is witheld from us, it is doubtful that we will be able to

> > eliminate them all.

> > Organic foods, pure water and fewer refined processed foods can make

> > a world of difference, although when you consider the poor quality

> > oils, saturated animal fats and sugar content of the average diet,

> > it is not at all surprising that these problems exist. Furthermore,

> > labels lie. Noticing the nutrition content of various food labels as

> > opposed to what I know to be the nutritional content, tells me that

> > something has gone awry. Transfat labeling does not even tell the

> > whole story. This is what makes it so confusing to the average

> > consumer. So much knowledge but so little truth!

> > I wish you well!

> > God Bless,

> > JoAnn

[Guest guest]

, " firemoon67 "

<moonfire2@v...> wrote:

>

> HI JoAnn...

 

> Thanks again for more good info on IP-6. I shared the info about

vitamins with someone and she wrote this. I'd like to know what you

and others think of it. It's confusing to me now.

 

 

Hi Sally,

 

Unfortunately big pharma is attempting to place restrictions on

our herbs and vitamins. The reasons are obvious to those of us who

are more familiar with alternatives. I am so glad that I became

educated in herbs prior to my internet experiences and joining these groups. It

is quite obvious to anyone who is really aware and has experienced the

therapeutic value of herbs that these articles are twisting the truth all out of

proportion and are attempting to discourage us from reaping the

benefits. The dietary supplements which are labeled as 'alternatives'

(Metabolife, etc,contain stimulants,i.e. caffeine and other added

constituents(Ephedra alkaloids) which in combination at times

produce the listed adverse effects in certain high risk individuals,

however the original herbal when used

in its crude form(Ephedra sinica)does not carry any of the side

effects mentioned and certainly does not carry any stroke risks.

 

When we research the subject a little more we begin to realize

that many of the reported adverse reactions were experienced by

those who were using pharmaceuticals as well. Whenever taken in

combination,which one is always contraindicated? You guessed it!

The Herbalists Guild brings us a more sensible approach to the

subject...

 

SUMMARY OF THE AMERICAN HERBALIST GUILD

GENERAL POSITION ON EPHEDRA SINICA

 

1. Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) is a traditional herbal medicine that

has an established history of safe clinical usage in East Asian and

Western herbal medicine.

2. " Ephedra " properly refers to the dried aerial parts of the

medicinal species, or crude extracts thereof, not to its isolated

*alkaloidal* constituents.

3. There is no credible review to date which analyzes safety data

(whether experimental, clinical or derived from pharmacosurveillance

sources), including the RAND and CANTOX reports, that takes

systematic account of the terminological confusion between the crude

herb,

 

isolated 'ephedrine'

 

and

 

Ephedra/ephedrine plus caffeine--

*combination* products.

 

 

Rather, all these literary sources compound the problem.

4. traditional usage of Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) regularly involves

combination with other herbs, but never

 

*stimulants*.

 

5. Ephedra sinica is " safe " when used for traditional indications at

the established " therapeutic " doses.

 

6. The established therapeutic dose range of Ephedra sinica in

herbal medicine delivers 60 -90 mg total alkaloid per day (adults).

There is broad agreement between traditional Chinese formulae,

western herbal doses, and recommended doses of OTC preparations in

terms of total daily alkaloid intake.

 

7. " Weight loss " and " athletic performance " are not traditional

indications for the use of Ephedra -

traditional indications are centered around the use of the herb for

febrile and catarrhal respiratory conditions.

 

Arguably, from a clinical natural medicine perspective,

*obesity* (weightloss)is more likely to be a

*contraindication* rather than an indication for use of Ephedra.

 

9. The lobby of sections of the natural products industry for the

weight loss indication of Ephedra cannot readily be dissociated from

their interest in the ($6.8billion)

market for ephedra weight loss products while the lobby

against " Ephedra " is often ill informed and politically motivated.

 

10.The scope and magnitude of Ephedra safety and the problem of

herbal adverse effects in general should be seen in the larger

context of the outstanding safety record of herbal medicines

compared to that of licensed pharmaceuticals.

 

3. THE AMERICAN HERBALIST GUILD GENERAL POSITION ON EPHEDRA

The general position of the AHG on Ephedra is summarized in the

following points.

 

[Note: The capitalized " Ephedra " is used to designate crude herb of

medicinal species of the Ephedra taxon as defined below].

 

1. Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) is a traditional herbal medicine that

has an established history of *safe clinical* usage in East Asian

and Western herbal medicine.

 

Currently recognized medicinal species of the genus are E. sinica

Stapf., E. equisetina Bunge., E. intermedia Shenk and CA Meyer., (f.

Ephedraceae) all of which contain Ephedra alkaloids and are regarded

s medicinally (and commercially) interchangeable.

 

Traditional indications for medicinal Ephedra species include

febrile and congested

" catarhal " conditions of the upper respiratory tract,

with diaphoretic, diuretic, and cardiotonic actions.

 

2. " Ephedra " properly refers to the dried aerial parts of the

medicinal species, or crude extracts thereof,

not to its *isolated* alkaloidal constituents.

 

2i. There is a persistent terminological confusion in the current

literature, perpetuated by all parties concerned including FDA and

DHHS and which pervades the current medical literature including the

recent RAND report.

 

This confusion implies the crude herb is interchangeable with

ephedrine, the alkaloid, or even with commercial " dietary "

*supplements*

containing *isolated* Ephedra " alkaloids "

in combination with other agents,

 

such as *caffeine*.

 

2ii. The distinction is not academic, but axiomatic.

 

Ephedra sinica crude herb and crude herb extracts have different

pharmacological and medicinal characteristics

than the

purified isolated alkaloids in *isolation*.

 

· Ephedra contains catechin tannins such as (-)epicatechin (EC) and

(-) epigallocatechin (EGC), catechin and gallocatechin.

 

These polyphenolics, much studied as constituents of green tea, have

antioxidant effects, hypolipidemic effects,

cause NO mediated vasodilation,

 

have antithrombotic, anti-inflammatory, antidiabetic, and

antiproliferative and chemoprotective effects.

 

· Ephedra contains a volatile oil, composed largely of monoterpenes

such as terpinol and cineole.

 

These are well known as constituents of Eucalyptus and Juniper that

have significant pharmacological actions at bronchial,

respiratory and urinary epithelia.

 

Ephedra also contains various phenolic acids, especially cinammic

acid and derivatives that are common in the balsams,

well known for their respiratory effects.

 

· The medicinal Ephedraceae contain the characteristic

phenylethylamine alkaloids, in amounts that vary from >1.0% and

which can exceed 2%. The predominant alkaloid is (-)-ephedrine,

which occurs alongside (+)-pseudoephedrine and their corresponding

nor- and methyl- derivatives.

 

These alkaloids all are indirect sympathomimetics, each alkaloid

has, in a small degree, differing pharmacokinetic and

pharmacodynamic properties, e.g. the nor- derivatives appear to be

more centrally stimulating.

· This overall combination of constituents determines the medicinal

effects of the crude herb.

 

The total alkaloid content may vary by up to 100%, and the profile

of component alkaloids varies between species, plant parts and

season.

 

Whilst the alkaloids indeed dominate the activity of the plant, its

pharmacodynamics cannot be reduced to the properties of a single

alkaloid alone, nor can the other constituents be disregarded.

 

· In parenthesis, it should be noted that in Chinese medical usage,

a distinction is also made between the stems

of the plant, Ma Huang, and the root, Ma Huang gen.

 

The roots contain dimeric flavonols and macrocyclic alkaloids not

found in the aerial parts, and in Chinese medicine the root is

antisudorific, whilst the stem is diaphoretic – essentially opposite

actions.

 

The corollary being, as always with medicinal plants,

that it is necessary to identify the plant part used as medicine.

 

2iii. The following categories are therefore quite distinct and

rationally need to be considered as such in technical, scientific,

medical and regulatory contexts:

 

· Isolated Ephedra alkaloids, (the phenylethylamines (-)-ephedrine,

(+)-pseudoephedrine, their nor- and methyl, derivatives their

optical isomers and salts of these compounds).

 

· Crude herb and extracts of crude herb of medicinal Ephedra taxa

(as defined above) containing naturally occurring alkaloids and

other compounds without manipulation, concentration, or adulteration

such as in decoctions or crude herb extracts.

 

· Extracts of Ephedra that are concentrated, manipulated or

adulterated such that the naturally occurring proportions and/or

quantities of

" epedrine alkaloids " are changed.

 

· Combination " ephedra/ephedrine products " variously including any

of the above with any other agents, herbal or otherwise for example:

 

Caffeine, caffeine containing herbs (e.g. Guarana, Cola), or

concentrates of caffeine containing herbs;

 

salicylates, either in the form of ASA, (aspirin)

or salicylate containing herbs (e.g. willow bark)

or concentrates of salicylate containing herbs;

synephrine and accessory nutrients such as chromium picolinate, L-

carnitine, CoQ10 and B vitamins.

 

2iv. Confusion is compounded by regulatory differentiation between

isolated (-)-ephedrine concentrated from crude herb sources

and

" labratory synthesized " (+)-ephedrine.

 

The former is a " dietary ingredient " while the latter is a listed

(controlled) chemical compound (also a marker for identifying

adulteration).

 

Addition of the former to an Ephedra dietary supplement product

containing Ma Huang would simply require adding an " ingredient " to

the label; addition of the latter would constitute

illegal " adulteration " of the dietary supplement.

 

3. The AHG maintains that there is no credible review to date which

analyzes safety data (whether experimental, clinical or derived from

pharmacosurveillance sources), including the RAND and CANTOX

reports, that takes systematic account of the terminological

confusion between the crude herb, isolated ephedrine, and

Ephedra/ephedrine plus caffeine combination products.

 

Rather, all these literary sources compound the problem.

 

The RAND report conclusions exemplify both the logical and

terminological confusions.

 

Even the first page of the conclusions (p201) uses ALL of the

following terms:

" ephedra " , " herbal ephedra " , " ephedra without caffeine containing

herbs " , " ephedra with caffeine containing herbs " , " ephedra

containing dietary supplements with caffeine containing

herbs " , " ephedra and herbs with caffeine " , " ephedrine " , " ephedrine

plus caffeine " .

 

The RAND meta-analysis refers to one study (Donikiyan and

colleagues, unpublished, 2002) that purports to examine " ephedra "

alone vs. placebo; this study is mentioned also in the conclusions.

 

In fact the preparation used in this study contained 450 micrograms

of chromium picolinate per dose,

and therefore cannot be considered

 

a crude herb extract vs. placebo at all.

 

This failure to identify and disclose all the ingredients of the

product

lacks scientific rigor and is inevitably misleading.

 

4. Traditional usage of Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) regularly involves

combination with other herbs, but never stimulants.

 

In all extant traditions of herbal medicine, East Asian and Western,

that incorporate Ephedra use, it is almost never used as a single

agent.

 

In medicinal use, it is considered to have stimulating properties,

and is never combined with herbs that also have stimulant properties

such as caffeine containing herbs

 

(Coffea, Paullinia, Cola).

 

In East Asian herbal use, Ephedra is characterized by its warming

and diaphoretic qualities, and is therefore combined with herbs that

moderate this warming aspect, or which mitigate its stimulatory

tendencies.

 

This specifically excludes combination with stimulant herbs.

 

The common proportion of Ephedra in such formulations is rarely more

than 15% of total herb.

 

Professional herbalists thus consider the traditionally prepared

combination products to have a much greater margin of safety than

ephedrine isolates

or combination caffeine products.

 

5. Ephedra sinica used for traditional indications at the

established therapeutic doses is completely *safe*!

 

To our knowledge, there is not a single published report in the

medical or toxicological literature recording serious adverse

effects resulting

from the crude herb or crude extracts of the medicinal Ephedra

species used within the therapeutic dose

range for traditional medical indications.

 

This point cannot be overemphasized.

 

Every literature review, including RAND, CANTOX or the recent

comprehensive review by McKenna and colleagues cited in RAND,

refers to " ephedra/ephedrine combination products " i.e. combinations

with other stimulants,

or the effects of isolated alkaloids, usually ephedrine (this being

more studied than the others).

 

The safety record of the crude herb used at therapeutic doses is

exemplary, and at complete variance with the " bad press " that

has become associated with it.

 

The process whereby such a " bad press " becomes attached to a

botanical because of commercial-industrial *exploitation* of

concentrates

or *isolated derivatives* rather than

the crude herb

is familiar to those who are fluent in the science

and care to follow the literature.

 

Licorice root is a classic example, although lacking in the market

profile enjoyed by Ephedra products its notoriety is nonetheless an

established " fact "

in the medical literature despite a complete absence of adverse

effect reports concerning

the medicinal herb at therapeutic doses – all reports referring to

concentrated commercial licorice extracts

and flavorings in products

such as chewing tobacco.

 

6. The established therapeutic dose range of Ephedra sinica in

herbal medicine delivers 60 -90 mg total alkaloid per day (adults).

 

Traditional Chinese standard formulae (such as Minor Blue Dragon, Ma

Huang C Decoction) typically deliver 60-90 mg alkaloid per day,

(assuming that Ephedra alkaloids are present at concentrations of

>1% w/w in the crude herb). Ma Huang is usually <15% of such

formulae.

 

This broad therapeutic dose range is confirmed by numerous

international authorities in western herbal medicine.

 

The German Commission E gives the maximum daily dose at 300mg total

Ephedra alkaloid, which is higher than might be expected from this

source, which is normally considered conservative in terms of safety

issues.

 

7. Doses of Ephedra alkaloids in excess of the therapeutic dose

range, whether delivered via crude herb or concentrated extracts, do

have the potential to induce adverse effects.

 

From a clinical perspective, the potential for sympathomimetic

agents to cause autonomic side effects is both plausible and

predictable; no

responsible or competent clinician would think otherwise.

 

Note:

Herbal medicine is a context based patient-centered discipline and

herbal combinations

are administered on a case-by-case basis recognizing each

*indvidual*as " unique "

 

Despite the general safety of traditional combinations of Ephedra

used at the therapeutic dose range,

professional herbalists " monitor " for side effects and adjust dosage

accordingly in sensitive individuals

who exhibit symptoms of adverse effects.

 

8. " Weight loss " and " athletic performance " are not traditional

indications for the use of Ephedra.

 

Traditional indications are centered on the use of the herb for

febrile and catarrhal respiratory conditions. arguably, from a

clinical natural medicine perspective, obesity is more likely to be

a contraindication

rather than indication for use of Ephedra.

 

8 i. Medicinal herbal indications are incrementally established by

empirical clinical use over centuries, sometimes millennia.

 

They are generally not defined by scientific studies, although

modern scientific research may often confirm or illuminate an

already established traditional indication.

 

8 ii. Extrapolation from the known pharmacology of herbal

constituents may suggest non-traditional therapeutic uses of an

herb.

 

Commercial promotion of these suggested uses by marketing of dietary

supplements

does not constitute validation of these indications.

 

 

Kind Regards, JoAnn

 

 

 

I'm seeing similar influence here where it doesn't seem to matter

how much I point out that the bills are being misrepresented.

>

> What do you think JoAnn and anyone else that will respond.

>

> Best to you all.

>

> Sally

[Guest guest]

Thanks once again JoAnn. You covered Ephedra to my satisfaction. You are a

wealth

of knowledge. I'm wondering what you think about this I picked up from another

list

I'm on. Are we in danger of losing our health freedoms?

 

Thank you.

 

Sally

 

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We're pulling out all the stops here, working over 100 hours per WEEK for YOU,

and

all we ask in RETURN is that you get in our corner the way we really NEED right

now,

because we need you to GRASP that this is a TRUE grass roots movement.

 

Please forward this alert widely, and urge everyone you know to support IAHF and

to

sign on to the IAHF email distribution list at http://www.iahf.com

 

The life you save, could be YOUR OWN. I am doing this work because I have a

genetic

need for the supplements I take, and I cannot afford to lose my access. I know

from

conversations with many of you that I'm not alone. I just want to close by

THANKING

all of you who have been trying so hard to ASSIST IAHF in rolling this boulder

uphill.

 

Please know that when we get the BOULDER to the TOP, we're going to send it

CRASHING DOWN on the PHARMA CARTEL harder than they've EVER been hit BEFORE,

and we're going to WIN this anti CODEX battle, by fighting the OLD FASHIONED

WAY:

ANY WAY WE CAN!!!

 

In Your Corner,

John Hammell IAHF

--

For Health Freedom,

John C. Hammell, President

International Advocates for Health Freedom

556 Boundary Bay Road

Point Roberts, WA 98281-8702 USA

http://www.iahf.com

jham

800-333-2553 N.America

360-945-0352 World

 

> Hi Sally,

>

> Unfortunately big pharma is attempting to place restrictions on

> our herbs and vitamins. The reasons are obvious to those of us who

> are more familiar with alternatives. I am so glad that I became

> educated in herbs prior to my internet experiences and joining these groups.

It is

quite obvious to anyone who is really aware and has experienced the therapeutic

value of herbs that these articles are twisting the truth all out of proportion

and are

attempting to discourage us from reaping the

> benefits. The dietary supplements which are labeled as 'alternatives'

> (Metabolife, etc,contain stimulants,i.e. caffeine and other added

> constituents(Ephedra alkaloids) which in combination at times

> produce the listed adverse effects in certain high risk individuals,

> however the original herbal when used

> in its crude form(Ephedra sinica)does not carry any of the side

> effects mentioned and certainly does not carry any stroke risks.

snip

[Guest guest]

, " firemoon67 "

<moonfire2@v...> wrote:

>

> Thanks once again JoAnn. You covered Ephedra to my satisfaction.

You are a wealth of knowledge. I'm wondering what you think about

this I picked up from another list I'm on.

 

Are we in danger of losing our health freedoms?

>

> Thank you.

> Sally

>

Hi Sally,

 

Thanks! I would like to answer your question with another question.

Is there really any health freedom anymore? The way I understand it,

there are only a few specific guidelines which orthodox medicine

approves for treating cancer. Anything other than what they suggest

constitutes neglect according to their standards, especially when

children are involved.

I prefer the old fashioned herbs that have sustained families

through eons of time. Allopathic medicine is a rather new phenomena

actually. One might say that it is a relatively new experiment which

is not working. I for one do not wish to participate in their

experiment. That is why herbs are my preferred method of treatment.

If the truth were known, the doctor's offices would be vacant. That

is why they must carefully guard us from the truth. The fight has

just begun, honey. If I were you I would work on your diet as well.

If supplement supplies are in jeopardy, an organic diet goes a long

way towards helping to bridge the gap.

 

If Dr. Whitaker is concerned about the consequences, I certainly

am! He is on the cutting edge of alternatives and his participation

indicates that we should be concerned as well. There is an urgent

need to band together as he suggests in order to obtain cooperation

from the health food stores and others in our area. I live in

suburban Detroit and am aware that rather recently HFSs were raided

where cancer supplements were dispensed, although I'm not aware of

all the specifics involved.

Blessings, JoAnn

 

 

> IAHF Webmaster: Codex, EU FSD, All Countries, What to Do, Audio

Postcards

 

> IAHF List: If you have speakers on your computer:

>

> You have an Audio Postcard. To get your Audio Postcard, turn

up your speakers, and

> :

>

> http://members.audiogenerator.com/postcards/?4478329

>

> Listen for me...

>

> IF YOU DON'T HAVE SPEAKERS:

> Please go to the link above anyway to see the text mssg on the

audio postcard, and

> also be aware that Dr.Mercola has just climbed on board IAHF's

anti codex

> BANDWAGON!! Given that Mercola has the #1 most trafficked health

website in

> cyberspace, its GREAT NEWS that he has just posted Dr.Whitaker's

article on Codex-

> see it at

http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/13/vitamins_minerals.htm and please

> use it to help wake up any vitamin company you buy products from

as well as health

> food stores.

>

> BE AWARE THAT THE SUPPLEMENT INDUSTRY IS BEING LED TO THE CLIFF

FROM

> WITHIN

>

> And we MUST ALL DO our DUE DILIGENCE as a RESULT of this. We

simply do not enjoy

> the same situation we had in the USA in the early '90s when the

entire US supplement

> industry united and rallied in opposition to David Kessler's

(FDAs) Reign of Terror

> during that period.

>

> FDA has gotten one HELL of a lot SNEAKIER since we shoved DSHEA

down their

> throats and they're trying to BACKDOOR us at CODEX, OFF US SOIL

where Congress is

> largely ignoring what goes on.

>

> It is ESSENTIAL that ALL of you HELP IAHF by downloading the

materials from the

> EMERGENCY SECTION at http://www.iahf.com and by encouraging more

vitamin

> companies to do what the Life Extension Foundation has just done-

(see http://

> www.lef.org under CONSUMER ALERTS where they've created an URGENT

hotlink

> DIRECTLY in to the EMERGENCY SECTION at IAHF.COM

>

> PLEASE REALIZE that I don't have a staff here at IAHF.

>

> I need you to grab your yellow pages, and make a LIST of every

health food store

> within a 50 mile radius of your HOUSE, and I need you to GO to

these stores and to

> EDUCATE the owners, managers and personnel on this issue using my

materials.

>

> Have them CALL me at 800-333-2553, I will help you get them around

the steep

> learning curve, because we need them to BAGSTUFF my one page

backgrounder and

> one page form letter and we need them to read the text of the 10

minute speech that

> I gave recently in Minnesota at the meeting of the National Health

Freedom Coalition.

>

> ALSO: PLEASE SUPPORT THE VITAMIN COMPANIES THAT ARE HELPING US!!!

>

> Please: Place an order TODAY with Life Extension Foundation

http://www.lef.org 800-

> 841-LIFE (5433) and let them know that John Hammell sent you.

>

>