Question to group: How to reach the unconnected?

[Guest guest]

On Saturday I donated blood, as I do regularly. Here in Canada it's

strictly voluntary. No money exchanges hands. Not only is it something

that I want to do from a basic principle, but my donation is very much

needed and appreciated because I'm a near universal donor (O Rh+) and

can pass the rigorous screening process.

 

During the regular screening procedure, I had a brief but intense

conversation with the nurse. It turns out that like myself, she has some

sort of inflammatory arthritis. One look at her fingers quickly

confirmed it. Her rheumatologist had said that she could do whatever she

wanted in terms of diet and left it at that.

 

This woman was desperate for information, especially after I told her

that I had managed to reverse my inflammatory arthritis through major

lifestyle changes, nutritional therapy, and mental imagery. The first

thing I wanted to give her was my email address or website, but she said

" I can't do that, I'm not on that " .

 

There's many people out there who are still without a computer or

Internet access. From my own personal experience, before the web came

into being and exploded with information, I was stuck with the one-sided

approach to using the medical library at university to obtain most of my

health information. Good mass-market books on alternative health were

(and still are) hard to come by. You won't find the book " Doctor

Yourself " at B & N, Indigo or (heaven forbid) Wal-mart.

 

My question to the group is: What is the best approach to get

alternative health information out there to people off the web, that

large segment of the population that in some cases needs help the most?

 

Or is this too ambitious, perhaps we should just focus on the " haves " ,

the ones who are already connected, and practice the philosophy of

" build it and they will come " ?

 

David Elfstrom

[Guest guest]

ahoi,

 

i hope i'm not late and trying to help...

 

can she use a computer at a local library or university? that's

what i did before i got my own and managed ok with keeping up.

 

torpedo los!

 

herr kaleun

 

, David Elfstrom

<listbox@e...> wrote:

> On Saturday I donated blood, as I do regularly. Here in Canada

it's

> strictly voluntary. No money exchanges hands. Not only is it

something

> that I want to do from a basic principle, but my donation is very

much

> needed and appreciated because I'm a near universal donor (O Rh+)

and

> can pass the rigorous screening process.

>

> During the regular screening procedure, I had a brief but intense

> conversation with the nurse. It turns out that like myself, she

has some

> sort of inflammatory arthritis. One look at her fingers quickly

> confirmed it. Her rheumatologist had said that she could do

whatever she

> wanted in terms of diet and left it at that.

>

> This woman was desperate for information, especially after I told

her

> that I had managed to reverse my inflammatory arthritis through

major

> lifestyle changes, nutritional therapy, and mental imagery. The

first

> thing I wanted to give her was my email address or website, but

she said

> " I can't do that, I'm not on that " .

>

> There's many people out there who are still without a computer or

> Internet access. From my own personal experience, before the web

came

> into being and exploded with information, I was stuck with the one-

sided

> approach to using the medical library at university to obtain most

of my

> health information. Good mass-market books on alternative health

were

> (and still are) hard to come by. You won't find the book " Doctor

> Yourself " at B & N, Indigo or (heaven forbid) Wal-mart.

>

> My question to the group is: What is the best approach to get

> alternative health information out there to people off the web,

that

> large segment of the population that in some cases needs help the

most?

>

> Or is this too ambitious, perhaps we should just focus on

the " haves " ,

> the ones who are already connected, and practice the philosophy of

> " build it and they will come " ?

>

> David Elfstrom

[Guest guest]

I find that rather annoying David - but why should I? ... because I firmly

believe that in most cases there is an 'alternative' to meds.

People have the ostrich instinct - they simply don't want to know (IMO),

They see their G.P. (M.D) as a Godlike figure ...

They read about the nasty vitamins, minerals and herbs in the newspaper,

And we won't mention The Idiots Lantern!

Praps we should just be thankful to Frank and all who make this group a helping

hand to anyone seeking an alternative to toxic pharmaceuticals.

 

Ray.

 

-

David Elfstrom

Monday, September 20, 2004 6:38 PM

Question to group: How to reach the

unconnected?

 

 

On Saturday I donated blood, as I do regularly. Here in Canada it's

strictly voluntary. No money exchanges hands. Not only is it something

that I want to do from a basic principle, but my donation is very much

needed and appreciated because I'm a near universal donor (O Rh+) and

can pass the rigorous screening process.

 

During the regular screening procedure, I had a brief but intense

conversation with the nurse. It turns out that like myself, she has some

sort of inflammatory arthritis. One look at her fingers quickly

confirmed it. Her rheumatologist had said that she could do whatever she

wanted in terms of diet and left it at that.

 

This woman was desperate for information, especially after I told her

that I had managed to reverse my inflammatory arthritis through major

lifestyle changes, nutritional therapy, and mental imagery. The first

thing I wanted to give her was my email address or website, but she said

" I can't do that, I'm not on that " .

 

There's many people out there who are still without a computer or

Internet access. From my own personal experience, before the web came

into being and exploded with information, I was stuck with the one-sided

approach to using the medical library at university to obtain most of my

health information. Good mass-market books on alternative health were

(and still are) hard to come by. You won't find the book " Doctor

Yourself " at B & N, Indigo or (heaven forbid) Wal-mart.

 

My question to the group is: What is the best approach to get

alternative health information out there to people off the web, that

large segment of the population that in some cases needs help the most?

 

Or is this too ambitious, perhaps we should just focus on the " haves " ,

the ones who are already connected, and practice the philosophy of

" build it and they will come " ?

 

David Elfstrom

[Guest guest]

Dear David,

 

These are really 2 problems.

 

One is access to good information. The web is the best source for

that. So, people will usually need to get online somehow.

 

Two is making sure that good information is available in a sufficient

quality to be believable and a certain quantity to offset the mountain

of misinformation the average person receives.

 

To counteract the lies, spin and misinformation of Big Biz and Gov

Inc.,... it is like a mouse fighting an elephant, but maybe even the

mouse can save a few each day.

 

I think that the best hope to reach as many as possible is to try and

spread the word on the net to as many as possible. Most people in this

or other groups do not think in terms of needing to pass information

on but in reality that is the only option to most of us to make a

difference. People, please pass the information on to others.

 

They have big public relations efforts and marketing machines where

huge amounts of money and employees do their bidding but we could have

a grass roots effort wherein thousands of people passing true

information around the net about natural vs allopathic, etc. could

work. That is our only hope as I see it.

 

my 2 cents,

 

Frank

 

 

 

> -

> David Elfstrom

>

> Monday, September 20, 2004 6:38 PM

> Question to group: How to

reach the unconnected?

>

>

> On Saturday I donated blood, as I do regularly. Here in Canada it's

> strictly voluntary. No money exchanges hands. Not only is it

something

> that I want to do from a basic principle, but my donation is very

much

> needed and appreciated because I'm a near universal donor (O Rh+) and

> can pass the rigorous screening process.

>

> During the regular screening procedure, I had a brief but intense

> conversation with the nurse. It turns out that like myself, she

has some

> sort of inflammatory arthritis. One look at her fingers quickly

> confirmed it. Her rheumatologist had said that she could do

whatever she

> wanted in terms of diet and left it at that.

>

> This woman was desperate for information, especially after I told her

> that I had managed to reverse my inflammatory arthritis through major

> lifestyle changes, nutritional therapy, and mental imagery. The first

> thing I wanted to give her was my email address or website, but

she said

> " I can't do that, I'm not on that " .

>

> There's many people out there who are still without a computer or

> Internet access. From my own personal experience, before the web came

> into being and exploded with information, I was stuck with the

one-sided

> approach to using the medical library at university to obtain most

of my

> health information. Good mass-market books on alternative health were

> (and still are) hard to come by. You won't find the book " Doctor

> Yourself " at B & N, Indigo or (heaven forbid) Wal-mart.

>

> My question to the group is: What is the best approach to get

> alternative health information out there to people off the web, that

> large segment of the population that in some cases needs help the

most?

>

> Or is this too ambitious, perhaps we should just focus on the

" haves " ,

> the ones who are already connected, and practice the philosophy of

> " build it and they will come " ?

>

> David Elfstrom

[Guest guest]

I guess we become self-elected natural health information

*missionaries*! Each one teach one! But, I must say choose your students

well....NG

 

-

" virgil " <virgil7

 

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 3:31 AM

Re: Question to group: How to reach

the unconnected?

 

 

> I find that rather annoying David - but why should I? ... because I firmly

believe that in most cases there is an 'alternative' to meds.

> People have the ostrich instinct - they simply don't want to know (IMO),

> They see their G.P. (M.D) as a Godlike figure ...

> They read about the nasty vitamins, minerals and herbs in the newspaper,

> And we won't mention The Idiots Lantern!

> Praps we should just be thankful to Frank and all who make this group a

helping hand to anyone seeking an alternative to toxic pharmaceuticals.

>

> Ray.

>

> -

> David Elfstrom

>

> Monday, September 20, 2004 6:38 PM

> Question to group: How to reach

the unconnected?

>

>

> On Saturday I donated blood, as I do regularly. Here in Canada it's

> strictly voluntary. No money exchanges hands. Not only is it something

> that I want to do from a basic principle, but my donation is very much

> needed and appreciated because I'm a near universal donor (O Rh+) and

> can pass the rigorous screening process.

>

> During the regular screening procedure, I had a brief but intense

> conversation with the nurse. It turns out that like myself, she has some

> sort of inflammatory arthritis. One look at her fingers quickly

> confirmed it. Her rheumatologist had said that she could do whatever she

> wanted in terms of diet and left it at that.

>

> This woman was desperate for information, especially after I told her

> that I had managed to reverse my inflammatory arthritis through major

> lifestyle changes, nutritional therapy, and mental imagery. The first

> thing I wanted to give her was my email address or website, but she said

> " I can't do that, I'm not on that " .

>

> There's many people out there who are still without a computer or

> Internet access. From my own personal experience, before the web came

> into being and exploded with information, I was stuck with the one-sided

> approach to using the medical library at university to obtain most of my

> health information. Good mass-market books on alternative health were

> (and still are) hard to come by. You won't find the book " Doctor

> Yourself " at B & N, Indigo or (heaven forbid) Wal-mart.

>

> My question to the group is: What is the best approach to get

> alternative health information out there to people off the web, that

> large segment of the population that in some cases needs help the most?

>

> Or is this too ambitious, perhaps we should just focus on the " haves " ,

> the ones who are already connected, and practice the philosophy of

> " build it and they will come " ?

>

> David Elfstrom

[Guest guest]

I am an asthmatic, and suspect Candida overgrowth, I'm looking for solid info on

these two health issues, anyone have some links??? also, so many opinions about

the Candida diet....why no raw milk products? why no vinegar? what about

balsamic?

 

Thanks,

Viva

 

I guess we become self-elected natural health information

*missionaries*! Each one teach one! But, I must say choose your students

well....NG

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " Nora Gottlieb "

<nwgott@i...> wrote:

>

>

> I guess we become self-elected natural health information

> *missionaries*! Each one teach one! But, I must say choose your

students

> well....NG

**********************

Alternative medicine is a paradigm shift and until the pharmaceutical

companies can figure how to make a profit of billions from it,

alternative will be 'bad.' I'm trained in allopathy and feel like I'm

poisoning people everytime I go to work. Behind the scenes is even

more frightening than what 'leaks' out. But all that aside, I have

come to the conclusion that I can't save the world - only making

myself sick trying to. The bottom line is that information is

available even without a computer. If someone wants to learn they

can - bookstores have been around for awhile though access might

require some effort on the individual's part. Until people stop

believing everything they hear on the radio or TV or feel that

someone else will take care of them (try that without insurance -

LOL,)they will remain ignorant of alternatives. Let's face it, our

computers didn't walk into our house nor did it make us leave our

computer game and go to different sites. WE made that effort. I know

a lot of clueless people who have a computer. As for trying to change

the minds of people who believe in allopathy it would be easier to

teach my dogs how to vacuum and have supper ready for me when I get

home. As for the nurse, it's hard for me to believe that she wasn't

the FIRST to seek out alternatives. I'm a lot calmer these days now

that I don't feel I have to change the world (though on occasion

still make an attempt if riled enough.) If I've said this once I've

said it a hundred times: individuals must take responsibility for

their own lives and not be bamboozled by our 'caring' government

(choke) and our 'freedom.' By the time someone 'tells' someone else,

they're on death's door. Nobody can read anymore? Unfortunately,

complacency rules. (This is a good thing for 'health care' and those

who stand to profit from the 'believers.')But for anyone really

intent on taking responsibility for others, print a flyer. If I sound

cynical it's because I am. (Anti-American as my exhusband used to

say - LOL.) Intelligent people aren't responsible for stupid people -

but somehow they're driven to feel that they are. Been there done

that. About getting the word out - shouldn't the health of the people

be of concern to the government? Maybe we don't pay them enough?

 

Regards,

Marge