[SSRI-Research] Senator's bi-polar son commits suicide... [another SSRI suicide]

[Guest guest]

> JustSayNo

> Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:30:30 -0000

> [sSRI-Research] Senator's " bi-polar " son

> commits suicide... [another SSRI suicide]

>

> [-- Wait until the Senator finds out that it was

> another murder by

> Pfizer, Glaxo, Lilly or Forest Labs... He needs to

> know...]

>

>

> Senator, Sobbing for Son, Pleas for Suicide Bill

>

> 2 hours, 24 minutes ago Add Health - Reuters to My

>

>

> http://story.news./news?

>

tmpl=story & cid=594 & e=3 & u=/nm/20040708/hl_nm/congress_suicide_dc

>

> By Joanne Kenen

>

> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - For a few moments on

> Thursday, the only sounds

> in the U.S. Senate chamber were the sobs of a

> grieving father.

>

> Oregon Republican Gordon Smith took the floor to

> introduce a youth

> suicide prevention bill named after his own dead

> son.

>

> " He saw only despair ahead and felt only pain in his

> present. Pain

> and despair so potent that he sought suicide as a

> release. As a

> release, " Smith said, recalling his son Garrett, who

> killed himself

> in his college apartment last September, one day

> before his 22nd

> birthday.

>

> Smith recalled a " beautiful child, a handsome baby

> boy " that he and

> his wife Sharon adopted a few days after birth. He

> had vast

> intellectual gifts but struggled with learning

> disabilities,

> dyslexia, and bipolar disorder, sometimes called

> manic depression,

> Smith said.

>

> The chamber was almost empty as Smith began to

> speak, as he lamented

> that there is " no owner's manual to help you bury a

> child, especially

> when the cause is suicide. "

>

> But by the time he had finished, several colleagues

> had lined up to

> embrace him. And two rose to tell of the suicides of

> their own

> fathers.

>

> Nevada Democrat Harry Reid recalled attending

> Garrett's funeral, and

> hearing everyone speak so openly about the suicide.

> After his own

> father shot himself, Reid said, he was too ashamed

> to discuss it for

> years.

>

> If a bill like Smith's had been in effect when his

> father was a young

> man, Reid said, " my dad may not have had all the

> problems that he had

> as he proceeded through life. "

>

> Oklahoma Republican Don Nickles also rose to say his

> father too had

> killed himself. " I'm not going to go into the

> details, " he said. " But

> it's a lot of pain. "

>

> Endorsing Smith's $60 million bill, Nickles said, " I

> have no doubt as

> a result of us passing this legislation, we'll end

> up saving a lot of

> lives, maybe thousands of lives. " The bill would

> help states develop

> prevention strategies and fund more mental health

> services on college

> campuses.

>

> More than 30,000 Americans kill themselves each year

> and suicide is

> the third-leading cause of death for people aged

> 10-24.

>

> New Mexico Republican Pete Domenici, who has been

> very public about

> his daughter's struggle with schizophrenia, had gone

> home early, but

> threw on a suit and dashed back to the Senate to

> sympathize with

> Smith.

>

> Domenici said he would make another push for the

> bill he's advocated

> for years that would require health insurers to

> treat serious mental

> illness the same way they treat physical illness and

> lashed out at

> fellow Republicans who had anonymously used a

> procedural move to

> block it. " I don't know who you are yet, " said

> Domenici, " but I'll

> find out. "

>

[Guest guest]

Frank et al,

I unplugged my television after 9/11. I have survived a workplace bombing,

and couldn't stand the media's constant " in your face " repeats of the whole

thing. It's no way to heal.

I was out and about today, and while at 'himself's' place, I turned on the

television to watch C-span. Guess what I caught!!

I was so proud of Domenici, I almost clapped out loud. This is what the

nation needs. Insurance companies to recognize mental illness is physical.

Of course if, like me..you don't have anything but medicare-less...it's not

terribly effective. Medicaid does, in many states cover mental therapy.

I particularly liked Domenici's reference to tribal problems. Many Native

American's live on about 6,000 $$ a year or less. Have no insurance coverage

no 'nuthin.'

Of course, so do many other American's.

I was genuinely impressed with his attitude about this necessary social

reform. More so, because he's from " the other side of the aisle!! "

~mk

 

----

 

 

07/08/04 19:43:41

alternative_medicine_forum

[sSRI-Research] Senator's " bi-polar "

son commits suicide... [another SSRI suicide]

 

 

> JustSayNo

> Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:30:30 -0000

> [sSRI-Research] Senator's " bi-polar " son

> commits suicide... [another SSRI suicide]

>

> [-- Wait until the Senator finds out that it was

> another murder by

> Pfizer, Glaxo, Lilly or Forest Labs... He needs to

> know...]

>

>

> Senator, Sobbing for Son, Pleas for Suicide Bill

>

> 2 hours, 24 minutes ago Add Health - Reuters to My

>

>

> http://story.news./news?

>

tmpl=story & cid=594 & e=3 & u=/nm/20040708/hl_nm/congress_suicide_dc

>

> By Joanne Kenen

>

> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - For a few moments on

> Thursday, the only sounds

> in the U.S. Senate chamber were the sobs of a

> grieving father.

>

> Oregon Republican Gordon Smith took the floor to

> introduce a youth

> suicide prevention bill named after his own dead

> son.

>

> " He saw only despair ahead and felt only pain in his

> present. Pain

> and despair so potent that he sought suicide as a

> release. As a

> release, " Smith said, recalling his son Garrett, who

> killed himself

> in his college apartment last September, one day

> before his 22nd

> birthday.

>

> Smith recalled a " beautiful child, a handsome baby

> boy " that he and

> his wife Sharon adopted a few days after birth. He

> had vast

> intellectual gifts but struggled with learning

> disabilities,

> dyslexia, and bipolar disorder, sometimes called

> manic depression,

> Smith said.

>

> The chamber was almost empty as Smith began to

> speak, as he lamented

> that there is " no owner's manual to help you bury a

> child, especially

> when the cause is suicide. "

>

> But by the time he had finished, several colleagues

> had lined up to

> embrace him. And two rose to tell of the suicides of

> their own

> fathers.

>

> Nevada Democrat Harry Reid recalled attending

> Garrett's funeral, and

> hearing everyone speak so openly about the suicide.

> After his own

> father shot himself, Reid said, he was too ashamed

> to discuss it for

> years.

>

> If a bill like Smith's had been in effect when his

> father was a young

> man, Reid said, " my dad may not have had all the

> problems that he had

> as he proceeded through life. "

>

> Oklahoma Republican Don Nickles also rose to say his

> father too had

> killed himself. " I'm not going to go into the

> details, " he said. " But

> it's a lot of pain. "

>

> Endorsing Smith's $60 million bill, Nickles said, " I

> have no doubt as

> a result of us passing this legislation, we'll end

> up saving a lot of

> lives, maybe thousands of lives. " The bill would

> help states develop

> prevention strategies and fund more mental health

> services on college

> campuses.

>

> More than 30,000 Americans kill themselves each year

> and suicide is

> the third-leading cause of death for people aged

> 10-24.

>

> New Mexico Republican Pete Domenici, who has been

> very public about

> his daughter's struggle with schizophrenia, had gone

> home early, but

> threw on a suit and dashed back to the Senate to

> sympathize with

> Smith.

>

> Domenici said he would make another push for the

> bill he's advocated

> for years that would require health insurers to

> treat serious mental

> illness the same way they treat physical illness and

> lashed out at

> fellow Republicans who had anonymously used a

> procedural move to

> block it. " I don't know who you are yet, " said

> Domenici, " but I'll

> find out. "

 

 

[Guest guest]

I think I'd best clarify my position here...

Insurance is necessary to have your children seen by a professional.

The intervention in children's lives should come from the family and

community, not from a pill bottle. It is the nature of children to be

disruptive.They are learning their bounds...learning the rules of life. They

need to be carefully guided, taught how to cope in social situations, not

drugged for what a few instructors deem unacceptable behavior.

This brings into play the appalling state of our school systems. Who are we

qualifying to teach our children??

Children are curious. They WANT to learn. They want to learn about

everything. Who's to say a that a bird bringing food to the nest for it's

children, or what can be found in a cloud formation, is any less important

than " Dick and Jane? "

These kids don't need to be drugged onto submission, they need to be

encouraged.

 

 

Bi-polar disorder can frequently be aided with

understanding. Sometimes overcome, sometimes not.

 

Listening to the Senator's...I pricked my ears at the idea that college age

students are lonely and afraid, frequently exhibiting anti-social behavior.

When I went off to dormitory life, I must say a few kids acted differently

than what I was accustomed to. So...so what?? I wouldn't call it anti-social

They had different agenda's. We didn't socialize. Probably my loss. Maybe

there was a girl that was lonely for her family/ friends/neighborhood. (oh

ya, gotta remember that in my day we didn't have co-ed dorms) So what does

that mean??? Same thing when the family moves to a new location. You meet

new friends, gather a new 'support group.' I certainly shudder to think that

being uncomfortable for a few weeks, in a new situation is grounds for

automatic medication.

 

There do come times when hospitalization is necessary. It is in these cases

that insurance can make a real difference. These persons do NOT belong in

jails. At this time there are very few other provisions for the in-insured.

Here, we also have to ask ourselves... " what is a family? " Can't the family

unit bind together for it's own sake?? Why on earth would a 6 year old, in

this country, be truly paranoid?? Or is he just afraid of what Dad/Mom will

say/do??

Of course, I don't live where there are ugly/nasty/abominable gang wars and

drive-by shootings.

I don't propose to have the answers..just throwing it all at you.

~mk

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [sSRI-Research] Senator's

bi-polar " son commits suicide... [another SSRI suicide]

 

Frank et al,

I unplugged my television after 9/11. I have survived a workplace bombing,

and couldn't stand the media's constant " in your face " repeats of the whole

thing. It's no way to heal.

I was out and about today, and while at 'himself's' place, I turned on the

television to watch C-span. Guess what I caught!!

I was so proud of Domenici, I almost clapped out loud. This is what the

nation needs. Insurance companies to recognize mental illness is physical.

Of course if, like me..you don't have anything but medicare-less...it's not

terribly effective. Medicaid does, in many states cover mental therapy.

I particularly liked Domenici's reference to tribal problems. Many Native

American's live on about 6,000 $$ a year or less. Have no insurance coverage

no 'nuthin.'

Of course, so do many other American's.

I was genuinely impressed with his attitude about this necessary social

reform. More so, because he's from " the other side of the aisle!! "

~mk

 

----

 

 

07/08/04 19:43:41

alternative_medicine_forum

[sSRI-Research] Senator's " bi-polar "

son commits suicide... [another SSRI suicide]

 

 

> JustSayNo

> Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:30:30 -0000

> [sSRI-Research] Senator's " bi-polar " son

> commits suicide... [another SSRI suicide]

>

> [-- Wait until the Senator finds out that it was

> another murder by

> Pfizer, Glaxo, Lilly or Forest Labs... He needs to

> know...]

>

>

> Senator, Sobbing for Son, Pleas for Suicide Bill

>

> 2 hours, 24 minutes ago Add Health - Reuters to My

>

>

> http://story.news./news?

>

tmpl=story & cid=594 & e=3 & u=/nm/20040708/hl_nm/congress_suicide_dc

>

> By Joanne Kenen

>

> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - For a few moments on

> Thursday, the only sounds

> in the U.S. Senate chamber were the sobs of a

> grieving father.

>

> Oregon Republican Gordon Smith took the floor to

> introduce a youth

> suicide prevention bill named after his own dead

> son.

>

> " He saw only despair ahead and felt only pain in his

> present. Pain

> and despair so potent that he sought suicide as a

> release. As a

> release, " Smith said, recalling his son Garrett, who

> killed himself

> in his college apartment last September, one day

> before his 22nd

> birthday.

>

> Smith recalled a " beautiful child, a handsome baby

> boy " that he and

> his wife Sharon adopted a few days after birth. He

> had vast

> intellectual gifts but struggled with learning

> disabilities,

> dyslexia, and bipolar disorder, sometimes called

> manic depression,

> Smith said.

>

> The chamber was almost empty as Smith began to

> speak, as he lamented

> that there is " no owner's manual to help you bury a

> child, especially

> when the cause is suicide. "

>

> But by the time he had finished, several colleagues

> had lined up to

> embrace him. And two rose to tell of the suicides of

> their own

> fathers.

>

> Nevada Democrat Harry Reid recalled attending

> Garrett's funeral, and

> hearing everyone speak so openly about the suicide.

> After his own

> father shot himself, Reid said, he was too ashamed

> to discuss it for

> years.

>

> If a bill like Smith's had been in effect when his

> father was a young

> man, Reid said, " my dad may not have had all the

> problems that he had

> as he proceeded through life. "

>

> Oklahoma Republican Don Nickles also rose to say his

> father too had

> killed himself. " I'm not going to go into the

> details, " he said. " But

> it's a lot of pain. "

>

> Endorsing Smith's $60 million bill, Nickles said, " I

> have no doubt as

> a result of us passing this legislation, we'll end

> up saving a lot of

> lives, maybe thousands of lives. " The bill would

> help states develop

> prevention strategies and fund more mental health

> services on college

> campuses.

>

> More than 30,000 Americans kill themselves each year

> and suicide is

> the third-leading cause of death for people aged

> 10-24.

>

> New Mexico Republican Pete Domenici, who has been

> very public about

> his daughter's struggle with schizophrenia, had gone

> home early, but

> threw on a suit and dashed back to the Senate to

> sympathize with

> Smith.

>

> Domenici said he would make another push for the

> bill he's advocated

> for years that would require health insurers to

> treat serious mental

> illness the same way they treat physical illness and

> lashed out at

> fellow Republicans who had anonymously used a

> procedural move to

> block it. " I don't know who you are yet, " said

> Domenici, " but I'll

> find out. "