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Dear Group,

 

I started this list because I couldn't find one that I liked. They

didn't have the depth of real information that I needed. There are a

few good ones today, but 3 years ago it wasn't so hot.

 

I have never talked about myself very much, but I personally have one

foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.

 

I was so damaged by allopathic medicine over such a long period of

time and that the damge is great and most of it is probably irreversable.

 

I would have been dead a long time ago if I had continued with the

allopaths and have only remained alive due to many vitamins and other

nutrients that I take daily and sometimes hourly if I need them.

 

When I kept getting sicker and sicker over the years, till I was very

sick, that I realized there was no where else to go but to die. I

started to get off all of those poisonous medications (and by 25

years it had grown to a lot of them). I was down to the dying part and

those bastards kept saying, " but you just need more medicine " .

 

About 5 years ago, I decided to go off the drugs as I knew they were

making me sick even though the doctors constantly assured me

otherwise. During the last 5 years I have been so disabled that

during part of that time I couldn't walk. It got so bad that I

couldn't form complete sentences in my mind let alone speak them.

 

In 1999, I remember thinking that if I could only live long enough, until the

year 2000, then I could see what would happen with Y2K and see the new

century.

 

I crawled to the bathroom and/or defecated in my pants for over a

year. I had seizures for a long time. I lay a quivering mass of pain

and confusion, hurting everywhere for a long long time. I had to

restrain myself from commiting suicide for over a year on a daily

basis. After 5 years, I still have burning skin over the bottom half

of my body and I still have a lot of pain in my head, joints, bones,

stomach, gallbladded, liver, etc.

 

Over the last 5 years I suffured brain damage. I complety forgot many

things like spelling. I remember one time that was very scary for me.

I couldn't spell the word " of " . I kept trying to sound it out and

could only come up with " uv " and " ov " type things.

 

Sometimes my spelling and punctuation is still not so good, but I

have had to relearn these and other things and it is getting better.

 

I went for a year and a half on only sleeping 1 1/2 hours a night. I

was a walking ( well mostly lieing down) zombie, very sick and almost died many

times. For me personally, I was either going to die or get better and by that

time I had no faith in the allopaths so I just had to ride it out and live

or die with the consequnces.

 

Even when I started this group, I was very sick and had to lay down

most of the time. I would get up long enough to post something or

read something and return to my bed. Not to sleep but to lie there in

agony.

 

To a lot of you this group was just another social outlet to quack

with the people on the net but to me it was a lot more. It was my

storage area for informative things that I found on the web and may

want later. It gave me something to do other than want to die to make

the sick stop.

 

I do not know exactly where this group is going, but it has been the

way it is for too long now.

 

It is a lot of work to make this list come out with lots of good

information in a relatively clean manner and do it putting up with all of

the people. The list is hard enough, the people make it about 4 times

as hard. Welcome to my world. What you saw In the last few hours is a

sample of what goes on behind the scenes here. It is a constant

battle to keep this list from becomeing the type of list that I

wanted to get away from when I started this one here.

 

I have been getting better in very small increments over time, but

I personally am too sick still to care much about what anyone thinks

or can do to me, as each day is like a gift on borrowed time anyway.

When I look back, I can now see that many people were damaged or

doctored to death in my life.

 

I plan on spending part of my time putting out information about

what I now know and to try and pass it on to others.

 

I do not care about your agenda. I am not going to become your

doctor, adviser, teacher, researcher, personal assistant, mother,

father, or big brother. You are going to have to learn to be those

things to yourself.

 

I do not care about your religion.

 

I do not care about your politics.

 

I am sure that those things are important to you, (as mine are to me)

but don't expect me to play games or to pull punches to please you or

what your beliefs are.

 

If you find that you do not like what you read, you can either delete

them or if it bothers you more than that you can . The

same holds true for me. If you post drivel here I also will have the

option to delete it and if I can no longer take any more of " you " I

will also have the option of unsubscribing you.

 

So, at this point everyone theoretically can post and I want many/

most to post, but it better be worth posting. It better be

informative, educational, entertaining, or of some value. I receive

way too many of some, such as just because you want to " talk " and think that

you have a captive audience.

 

We have almost 22,000 articles/messages in our archives. We have a

page full of links to great web pages to learn from. We have an

online message board at another location. We have files on our group

site to read. It isn't a lack of information that is the problem

here. It is that we get about 100 new people a month and none of them

want that information ( plus a lot of the old ones). They want the

personal touch. They want to ask us questions and we provide the

answers. Of course they don't think that they " need " an education.

They only " need " a few answers. Wrong.

 

I don't know how much longer this board will be in existance or in

what form, but I am not here just to " answer " questions. There has to

be more than that to make it worthwhile.

 

I will write more later,

 

Frank

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Dear Frank,

 

Thank you for sharing your feelings and story.

Although you are suffering greatly now, your health

may be very good some day. You might even find you

start getting younger and end up feeling better than

ever! The body rebuilds itself every 7 years or so, so

who knows.

I have a friend who is 87 years old. Years ago she was

poisoned by something and could only crawl out of bed

to the bathroom for several years. She was in

terrible pain. Now she gets around like a 40 year-old.

 

(A three-day apple juice fast will dissolve a lot of

the residue in your body.--only filtered juice and

water for three days.)

 

I like the way you edit the site. Others are unaware

of the various posting I have submitted which were

never accepted to be posted. It's nothing personal.

On the other hand, you are a sheltering harbor to the

group, and nobody is torn to bits for what they say.

Perhaps I am old fashioned, but I find this

protectiveness very admirable and a relief.

 

But then you bear the emotional brunt of making those

choices and cuts.

 

The end result has been an excellent site but at a

personal cost to you. Looking back, it has been a

great success and a job well done.

 

 

A friend had a bamboo group and had to contend with

constant arguing about bamboo and people trying to

give him advice on running the group. I think that

just goes with the terrain no matter what the group.

 

I don't know why people get so personal--maybe they

like you.

 

I hope whatever you do in the future, you share it

with us, and that you live to at least match Thomas

Jefferson and Thomas Edison, who both died in their

80's. Anything more might be pushing your luck.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Frank-

 

That is a scary story. I, for one, greatly appreciate most of the messages

that are sent through this list. Thank you for offering your time to help

others.

-Linda :-)

 

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Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:59 PM

My Thoughts

 

 

> Dear Group,

>

> I started this list because I couldn't find one that I liked. They

> didn't have the depth of real information that I needed. There are a

> few good ones today, but 3 years ago it wasn't so hot.

>

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