Guest guest Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Dear Group, I am not trying to impose my ideas about religion, politics, health or censorship on you. I am trying to have a discussion group on natural health and why it is so downtrodden. I am not trying to tell you what to believe about anything. That is up to you. But if you do believe in something there is a fine line between what you believe and what you then try and make me believe. Discussing and sharing it is one thing, imposing it is something else. I have restricted access on the board for all religious postings and a lot of political stuff unless it pertained directly or had immediate connection with a health issue. That was what the group was about and not your personal views on the hereafter or your political belief system. I finally got a little tired of all of those people who know so much and want to set me straight by blasting me with their pet views on religion and politics. I finally decided that if you really want to know how things really work, you should take a little broader look at who is doing what and why. I have been accused of being everything possible. So, I decided to let everyone have their say and to let it fly, so to speak. Now all of a sudden, hardly any want to speak. As usual everone wanted the right to tell me their views and/or post their views but didn't think it was so hot when someone else posted things that they didn't like. As for one element being able to restrict information to others. Is there much difference about that information and other information out there except it is us and our society who is getting the short end of the stick and a few are benefiting from restricting it. Isn't that also true for other areas as well. When someone else does the thinking and makes a choice for others, a few get their way and they have the seeming advantage, but it kills the host. The " life " in society dies when we do not have open information and choices. As for health, Our books are being " banned " in government, in acaedemia, they are being " banned " in the major media. How then can we justify restricting information to others for other areas without damaging the apparatus for all? One thing that I find particularly interesting though, we post tons of things here about those vague " them " who are trying to restrict our access to supplements and suppressed health information. We do not like it when someone isn't playing " fair " with our rights to those things. But, then I am completely astounded by many on this board who will rale against the people who are trying to take away those things that we consider important for our health when we read vague terms like " political leaders " , administration, authorities, or even the president, but go deaf, dumb and blind and get on their hind legs in indignation to who we are talking about if that person happens to be a political pet of that person. What hypocrisy. Who did they think that we were talking about? Who did they think was responsible? The leadership, politicians, and president of Poland? Or the leadership of Bolivia was causing all of these things concerning our health and nutrients to happen to us. It doesn't make any difference what his name is or which party he belongs to if he is screwing us to death. We will be the same....dead. If politics are more important than truth about health issues then you are in the wrong group. You should first go to your favorite political group and secondarily ask them for health advice. If you do not like their advice then ask them to stop screwing around with our vitamins and information and ask them why they are doing it in the first place. Ask them to change and let real health information out. To tell me how great they are is trying to convince the wrong party. Go tell them how great they are and ask them to clean up their act. If they don't. then why are the right party? But until they do, please don't try to " sell " them to me and others. Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 One problem with people's reaction to Fahrenheit 9/11 is they have been misinformed by many mainstream reviews that it is for Bush Haters and is about Bush Bashing. While it certainly does make Bush look like a total fool, this is just one element of a documentary which is rich with insight and information about the Iraq War. Most of the reviews are so superficial,one must question whether the authors of the reviews have even seen the film. The film isn't about Bush. It's about the whole era starting with Bush becoming president. Frankly, we have been through a lot of hell since then, and the film gives us all some views of the story that we might not have seen. I can understand not wanting to see a film which you believe is deliberately unfair and dishonest, but this film is a very good picture of what most Americans would conclude if they were given the facts. It contains footage which had been edited out of the network news reports, information withheld from the public. Throughout the film people are reacting to what they are seeing. It is an eye opening experience and emotionally moving. You will understand more about the Arabs being bombed and the mothers losing their sons, about the problems with inequities in our society. Parts are extremely sad. How bad does it have to get before some people notice we have a problem and that people's lives are being hurt or ruined? Michael Moore relates deeply with the poor in his community who have enlisted to go to Iraq due to lack of employment. I think he principally did the film to show how the rich wage was with the blood of the poor, and the injustice of the whole thing. I believe he wants the war to stop, and he wants us to get out of Iraq. To describe this film as the some papers have as for Bush Haters shows a lack of knowledge of what the film is about. The overall message is one of hope and the power of the individual to counteract the wrong of government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 My problem in this discussion Frank is the attempt to blame one party over another for the state of medicine - they both are bad. I have difficulty pegging which one is worse. If you follow the money, the trail will take you back to Lyndon Johnson's Medicare program in the 60's (a democrat program). That made medicine an exceptionally lucrative business. The lipid hypothesis was actually declared fact by Senator George McGovern - another democrat. Clinton appointed Varmus head of NIH, he and Hilliary pushed for the easing of requirements of the FDA so we all could get those vitallly necessary prescription meds much quicker. Most politicians are lawyers - they have no business trying to control medicine or science and therein lies the root of the problem. It's not right or left, Republican or Democrat - it's both because people simplistically buy the assumption that politicians are responsible for such things. They need to get the heck out of it. Mary - " califpacific " <califpacific Tuesday, June 29, 2004 12:52 AM Differing Views > Dear Group, > > I am not trying to impose my ideas about religion, politics, health or > censorship on you. I am trying to have a discussion group on natural health and why it is so downtrodden. > > I am not trying to tell you what to believe about anything. That is > up to you. But if you do believe in something there is a fine line > between what you believe and what you then try and make me believe. > Discussing and sharing it is one thing, imposing it is something else. > > I have restricted access on the board for all religious postings and > a lot of political stuff unless it pertained directly or had > immediate connection with a health issue. That was what the group was about and not your personal views on the hereafter or your political belief system. > > I finally got a little tired of all of those people who know so much > and want to set me straight by blasting me with their pet views on > religion and politics. I finally decided that if you really want to know how things really work, you should take a little broader look at who is doing what and why. I have been accused of being everything > possible. So, I decided to let everyone have their say and to let it > fly, so to speak. Now all of a sudden, hardly any want to speak. As usual everone wanted the right to tell me their views and/or post their views but didn't think it was so hot when someone else posted things that they didn't like. > > As for one element being able to restrict information to others. > Is there much difference about that information and other information > out there except it is us and our society who is getting the short > end of the stick and a few are benefiting from restricting it. Isn't > that also true for other areas as well. When someone else does the > thinking and makes a choice for others, a few get their way and they > have the seeming advantage, but it kills the host. The " life " in > society dies when we do not have open information and choices. > > As for health, Our books are being " banned " in government, in > acaedemia, they are being " banned " in the major media. How then can > we justify restricting information to others for other areas without > damaging the apparatus for all? > > One thing that I find particularly interesting though, we post tons > of things here about those vague " them " who are trying to restrict > our access to supplements and suppressed health information. We do > not like it when someone isn't playing " fair " with our rights to > those things. But, then I am completely astounded by many on this board who will rale against the people who are trying to take away those things that > we consider important for our health when we read vague terms > like " political leaders " , administration, authorities, or even the > president, but go deaf, dumb and blind and get on their hind legs in > indignation to who we are talking about if that person happens to be > a political pet of that person. What hypocrisy. > > Who did they think that we were talking about? Who did they think was > responsible? The leadership, politicians, and president of Poland? Or > the leadership of Bolivia was causing all of these things concerning > our health and nutrients to happen to us. It doesn't make any > difference what his name is or which party he belongs to if he is > screwing us to death. We will be the same....dead. > > If politics are more important than truth about health issues then > you are in the wrong group. You should first go to your favorite > political group and secondarily ask them for health advice. If you do > not like their advice then ask them to stop screwing around with our > vitamins and information and ask them why they are doing it in the > first place. Ask them to change and let real health information out. > To tell me how great they are is trying to convince the > wrong party. Go tell them how great they are and ask them to clean up > their act. If they don't. then why are the right party? But until > they do, please don't try to " sell " them to me and others. > > Frank > > > > > > Please pass this message or article on to someone else so that they may learn also. > > Community Newsletters. > http://www.alternative-medicine-newsletter.info > > Community Message Boards. > http://www.alternative-medicine-message-boards.info > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus Pauling > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being. > > . > list or archives: > > :........ - > post:............. alternative_Medicine_Forum > digest form:...... -digest > individual emails: -normal > no email:......... -nomail > moderator:........ -owner > :...... - > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 BRAVO Frank, could not have said it better myself. Everyone has a right to his or her own beliefs, we should all at least be respectful of that! Michelle califpacific <califpacific wrote: Dear Group, I am not trying to impose my ideas about religion, politics, health or censorship on you. I am trying to have a discussion group on natural health and why it is so downtrodden. I am not trying to tell you what to believe about anything. That is up to you. But if you do believe in something there is a fine line between what you believe and what you then try and make me believe. Discussing and sharing it is one thing, imposing it is something else. I have restricted access on the board for all religious postings and a lot of political stuff unless it pertained directly or had immediate connection with a health issue. That was what the group was about and not your personal views on the hereafter or your political belief system. I finally got a little tired of all of those people who know so much and want to set me straight by blasting me with their pet views on religion and politics. I finally decided that if you really want to know how things really work, you should take a little broader look at who is doing what and why. I have been accused of being everything possible. So, I decided to let everyone have their say and to let it fly, so to speak. Now all of a sudden, hardly any want to speak. As usual everone wanted the right to tell me their views and/or post their views but didn't think it was so hot when someone else posted things that they didn't like. As for one element being able to restrict information to others. Is there much difference about that information and other information out there except it is us and our society who is getting the short end of the stick and a few are benefiting from restricting it. Isn't that also true for other areas as well. When someone else does the thinking and makes a choice for others, a few get their way and they have the seeming advantage, but it kills the host. The " life " in society dies when we do not have open information and choices. As for health, Our books are being " banned " in government, in acaedemia, they are being " banned " in the major media. How then can we justify restricting information to others for other areas without damaging the apparatus for all? One thing that I find particularly interesting though, we post tons of things here about those vague " them " who are trying to restrict our access to supplements and suppressed health information. We do not like it when someone isn't playing " fair " with our rights to those things. But, then I am completely astounded by many on this board who will rale against the people who are trying to take away those things that we consider important for our health when we read vague terms like " political leaders " , administration, authorities, or even the president, but go deaf, dumb and blind and get on their hind legs in indignation to who we are talking about if that person happens to be a political pet of that person. What hypocrisy. Who did they think that we were talking about? Who did they think was responsible? The leadership, politicians, and president of Poland? Or the leadership of Bolivia was causing all of these things concerning our health and nutrients to happen to us. It doesn't make any difference what his name is or which party he belongs to if he is screwing us to death. We will be the same....dead. If politics are more important than truth about health issues then you are in the wrong group. You should first go to your favorite political group and secondarily ask them for health advice. If you do not like their advice then ask them to stop screwing around with our vitamins and information and ask them why they are doing it in the first place. Ask them to change and let real health information out. To tell me how great they are is trying to convince the wrong party. Go tell them how great they are and ask them to clean up their act. If they don't. then why are the right party? But until they do, please don't try to " sell " them to me and others. Frank Please pass this message or article on to someone else so that they may learn also. Community Newsletters. http://www.alternative-medicine-newsletter.info Community Message Boards. http://www.alternative-medicine-message-boards.info " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus Pauling Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being. . list or archives: :........ - post:............. alternative_Medicine_Forum digest form:...... -digest individual emails: -normal no email:......... -nomail moderator:........ -owner :...... - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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