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Todd. I believe we are more in agreement than not. I support student dissent

(of the much talked about rumor) to oppose the school's removal of those

books. And to demand quality - especially where the human ego wanders.

 

To Your Health,

Ed Kasper LAc.

http://HappyHerbalist.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tuesday, February 22, 2000 11:21 PM

 

censorship

 

 

 

 

Ed

 

You are missing the point. this has nothing to do with the academic

curricula of any school. It is about removing books from an exisitng

library collection. That is censorship, pure and simple. And while I

am glad you have chosen to focus yourself on mastery of a specific style

of practice, herbal practice does not exhibit the same diversity as

acupuncture practice. there is virtually unamimous agreement that

classics such as li dong yuan's pi wei lun and zhang zhong jing's shang

han lun are vital to anyone's practice of herbology. Since blue poppy

has done most such translations, to ban their publications effectively

eliminates the possibility of any non chinese speaking student from

grasping herbology at more than a superficial level. Also, remember,

these books were not allegedly banned because of their content; no one

disputes that. They were banned as retaliatory action for unpopular

political speech. this is perhaps more akin to McCarthyism than

anything else as many artists were blacklisted, not necessarily because

of the content of their works, but because of what they were accused of

saying in a political context.

 

 

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OK, OK, UNCLE!!!! IF YOU FEEL SO STRONGLY I WOULD SUGGEST YOU CONTACT THE

SCHOOL IN QUESTION (I STILL DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS, ALTHOUGH I AM CURIOUS)

AND TALK TO THEM. FOR THE MOST PART YOU ARE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR, SO TO

SPEAK, AND I FOR ONE AM OVER IT, I HOPE YOU WILL BE SOON.

 

> has done most such translations, to ban their publications effectively

> eliminates the possibility of any non chinese speaking student from

> grasping herbology at more than a superficial level.

 

WITH THIS I DISAGREE. I PRACTICED AND LEARNED FROM SOMEONE WHO PRACTICED

WITHOUT EVER READING ANY OF THESE BOOKS. I DO AGREE THAT SINCE STUDYING THEM

I BELIEVE MY TCM HERBOLOGY HAS GOTTEN BETTER, I DON'T BELIEVE MY TEACHER

ONLY PRACTICES AT A SUPERFICIAL LEVEL. NOT TO MENTION THAT NONE OF THAT

MATERIAL WILL ASSIST ANY STUDENT IN PASSING THE EXAMS NEEDED TO GET A

LICENSE, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATELY WHAT THEY NEED TO FOCUS ON. ONCE THEY GET BY

THAT THEY CAN LEARN TCM.

 

Respectfully,

 

Chinese Herbology and Acupuncture

Formulator and Consultant Summer Jo's (botanicals)

 

 

" Serve others and cultivate yourself simultaneously "

Lao Tzu

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Dear listers, such a form of censorship infringes upon the principles of

academic freedom for students and faculty. Avoidence of substantive

literature that is based on sociopolitical issues will hurt students,

teachers, and eventually the patients.

 

However, any owner of a private institution has the right to do this. I

don't think it is in their best interest for a long term commitment to

education.

 

Sincerely, Will Morris

 

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>

> Ed

>

> You are missing the point. this has nothing to do with the academic

> curricula of any school. It is about removing books from an exisitng

> library collection. That is censorship, pure and simple. And while I

> am glad you have chosen to focus yourself on mastery of a specific style

> of practice, herbal practice does not exhibit the same diversity as

> acupuncture practice. there is virtually unamimous agreement that

> classics such as li dong yuan's pi wei lun and zhang zhong jing's shang

> han lun are vital to anyone's practice of herbology. Since blue poppy

> has done most such translations, to ban their publications effectively

> eliminates the possibility of any non chinese speaking student from

> grasping herbology at more than a superficial level. Also, remember,

> these books were not allegedly banned because of their content; no one

> disputes that. They were banned as retaliatory action for unpopular

> political speech. this is perhaps more akin to McCarthyism than

> anything else as many artists were blacklisted, not necessarily because

> of the content of their works, but because of what they were accused of

> saying in a political context.

>

 

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actually, they risk losing accreditation and/or loss of federal

financial aid, but certainly they are free to do this if they don't care

about those other things.

 

 

 

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check out blue poppy's bulletin board for related issues. I have no

intention of libeling anyone by naming names. sorry. I do agree that

this thread should end, but I would like to point out that netiquette

considers such an all bolded post to be an expression of hostility. I

could care less, but it is inappropriate and should be avoided in the

future on this list. several members have already expreseed concern

about this to me. BTW, as usual, I disagree with just about everything

you say.

 

 

 

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Todd said:

> this thread should end, but I would like to point out that netiquette

> considers such an all bolded post to be an expression of hostility. I

 

The only hostility I have seen here is coming from you! I was simply trying

to make a point that your hostility was getting quite tiresome and clogging

up the list.........I apologize for the capitalized (not bolded) post, I was

in error.

 

> BTW, as usual, I disagree with just about everything you say.

 

You disagree with just about everything I say? What? If you disagree, please

contribute constructively. This is case and point of the hostility that

exudes from your recent posts. I'm not a part of this list to bicker, this

type of comment is childish. If you disagree, quote me and state what it is

you disagree with and why. That is proper netiquette, not the type of

statement made above .

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When i joined this list i was under the impression that it was going to fill

a void of communication between older practitioners and newr ones in the

fiels od practicing herbs and and helping patients, not airing dirty

laundry i've sat and read for months now my experience has been one of

observing several overpuffed juvenile egos airing their adgendas....what a

disservice.

 

I wish you all well, and hopefully go on to find a more mature forum for

a much needed communication which was once all based on apprenticeship but

is not available anylonger....this list could have filled this need but

instead it leaves a bad taste in ones mouth

 

Respectfully Alighta Averbukh

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Tuesday, February 22, 2000 10:57 PM

Re: censorship

 

 

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said:

> > this thread should end, but I would like to point out that netiquette

> > considers such an all bolded post to be an expression of hostility. I

>

> The only hostility I have seen here is coming from you! I was simply

trying

> to make a point that your hostility was getting quite tiresome and

clogging

> up the list.........I apologize for the capitalized (not bolded) post, I

was

> in error.

>

> > BTW, as usual, I disagree with just about everything you say.

>

> You disagree with just about everything I say? What? If you disagree,

please

> contribute constructively. This is case and point of the hostility that

> exudes from your recent posts. I'm not a part of this list to bicker, this

> type of comment is childish. If you disagree, quote me and state what it

is

> you disagree with and why. That is proper netiquette, not the type of

> statement made above .

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I apologize to anyone who has perceived my words as personally hostile.

I have been a civil libertarian free speech advocate since I was eleven

years old. I still consider censorship to be an element of fascist

thought and I will attack the idea as forcefully as I please. If you

stand behind censorship, you will get caught in the crossfire.

 

As to constructive debate, I believe I have posted extensively over the

months about the certain issues Thomas raises, such as western herbs,

intuition and now the importance of texts in TCM. I think my positions

are clear. I always disagree with thomas on these issues and in the

last post, the situation remains unchanged. I have already laid out my

position on texts ad nauseum and I saw no reason to add anymore details

to this position, but just to underscore my dissent.

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A bit defensive, but I guess it will have to do.

 

Mark

 

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>

> I apologize to anyone who has perceived my words as personally hostile.

> I have been a civil libertarian free speech advocate since I was eleven

> years old. I still consider censorship to be an element of fascist

> thought and I will attack the idea as forcefully as I please. If you

> stand behind censorship, you will get caught in the crossfire.

>

> As to constructive debate, I believe I have posted extensively over the

> months about the certain issues Thomas raises, such as western herbs,

> intuition and now the importance of texts in TCM. I think my positions

> are clear. I always disagree with thomas on these issues and in the

> last post, the situation remains unchanged. I have already laid out my

> position on texts ad nauseum and I saw no reason to add anymore details

> to this position, but just to underscore my dissent.

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In a message dated 2/23/00 1:07:59 PM, writes:

 

>As to constructive debate, I believe I have posted extensively over the

>months about the certain issues Thomas raises, such as western herbs,

>intuition and now the importance of texts in TCM. I think my positions

>are clear. I always disagree with thomas on these issues and in the

>last post, the situation remains unchanged.

 

 

I think that we have to also see that Todd seems to be approaching this list

as a participant and not as a moderator, and that we seem to have a number of

people with strong opinions, all of which are welcome from this corner. A

little contention can be fun as long as it is done in the spirit of

contention and not evolving into personalties, which we should work at

steering clear of. It is difficult to make this happen consistently with

strong opinioins, which is usually the job of the moderator.....

So, recognizing this, I hope that everyone, including Thomas and Todd can

jump back on the boat with our slightly thicker skins and get back to the

work of discussing both censorship and herbal diagnosis and treatment.

I heard a plea from some soul who sent a question on treatment a short while

ago. Would he please re-send it as I pressthe delete button way to quickly

sometimes and assume someone else will take up the gauntlet on a clinical

challenge.

 

David MOlony

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todd,

thought I would throw my five cents worth of comments re censorship?

Like you I agree free speech is the only way forward however, everyone is

entitled to their own point of view we dont have to like it but we should

listen.

Secondly I for one living in the UK have had my understanding of

'Traditional' Chinese medicine enhanced by the work of Bob Flaws. We owe

him a debt of gratitude for undertaking such a huge task as the translation

of the classics.

Long may he continue to do so. Even over here there are those

'institutions' where his views are not welcome especially on the subject of

education.

 

Party on and be humble

Ray Knudsen

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Joseph Allen

The burning of an author’s books, imprisonment for opinion’s sake, has always

been the tribute that an ignorant age pays to the genius of its time.

 

Hollis Alpert

The artist, viewing his fellows through his personal vision, has through the

ages attempted to portray what he sees and to present his understanding of it.

Censorship in his case has perpetrated heavy and sometimes reprehensible

blunders.

 

American Library Association

The freedom to read is essential to our democracy. It is continuously under

attack… These actions apparently arise from a view that our national tradition

of free expression is no longer valid; that censorship and suppression are

needed to avoid the subversion of politics and the corruption of morals.

 

American Library Association

We trust Americans to recognize propaganda and misinformation, and to make their

own decisions about what they read and believe.

 

William M. Anderson, Jr.

The intellectually stifling results of censorship -- while deplorable

in any setting -- would be all the more abominable if allowed to exist within

the college environment.

 

Thurman Arnold

The spectacle of a judge pouring over the picture of some nude, trying to

ascertain the extent to which she arouses prurient interests, and then

attempting to write an opinion which explains the difference between that nude

and some other nude has elements of low comedy.

 

Margaret Atwood

The use of “religion” as an excuse to repress the freedom of expression and to

deny human rights is not confined to any country or time. Sir Francis BaconA

forbidden writing is thought to be a certain spark of truth, that flies up in

the face of them who seek to tread it out.

 

Carl Friedrich Bahrdt

The freedom to share one’s insights and judgments verbally or in writing is,

just like the freedom to think, a holy and inalienable right of humanity that,

as a universal human right, is above all the rights of princes.

 

Robert Baird

The freedom allowed in the United States to all sorts of

inquiry and discussion necessarily leads to a diversity of opinion, which is

seen not only in there being different denominations, but different opinions

also in the same denomination.

 

Hosea Ballou

The oppression of any people for opinion’s sake has rarely had any other effect

than to fix those opinions deeper, and render them more important.

 

Alan Barth

Thought that is silenced is always rebellious. Majorities, of course, are often

mistaken. This is why the silencing of minorities is necessarily dangerous.

Criticism and dissent are the indispensable antidote to major delusions.

 

Pierre-Augustin Beaumarchais

As long as I don’t write about the government, religion, politics, and other

institutions, I am free to print anything.

 

W. Lance Bennett

Perhaps the most obvious political effect of controlled news is the advantage it

gives powerful people in getting their issues on the political agenda and

defining those issues in ways likely to influence their resolution.

 

Jeremy Bentham

As to the evil which results from censorship, it is impossible to measure it,

because it is impossible to tell where it ends.

 

Mark Berley

Political correctness is really a subjective list put together by the few to

rule the many -- a list of things one must think, say, or do. It affronts the

right of the individual to establish his or her own beliefs.

 

Mark Berley

Purveyors of political correctness will, in the final analysis, not even allow

others their judgments... They celebrate “difference,” but they will not allow

people truly to be different -- to think differently, and to say what they

think.

 

David K. Berninghausen

In order to get the truth, conflicting arguments and expression must be allowed.

There can be no freedom without choice, no sound choice without knowledge.

 

John Berry

If your library is not ‘unsafe’, it probably isn’t doing its job.

 

Harry A. Blackmun

By placing discretion in the hands of an official to grant or deny a license,

such a statute creates a threat of censorship that by its very existence chills

free speech.

 

Napoleon Bonaparte,

I want a situation without censorship, because I do not want to be responsible

for whatever they may say.

 

Neal Boortz

How many Catholic schools do you think teach the students to question the

authority of the Pope? Do you believe Christian schools teach students to

question or challenge the authority of Jesus Christ? Do military schools teach

the cadets to challenge the authority of superior officers? Well, why should we

then expect government schools to teach children to question the authority of

government?

 

David Booth

This kind of rhetoric should be familiar to any who lived through the McCarthy

era of the 1950s. It allows for no differences, not agreement to disagree, among

adults or children.

 

William E. Borah

No more fatuous chimera has ever infested the brain than that you can control

opinions by law or direct belief by statute, and no more pernicious sentiment

ever tormented the heart than the barbarous desire

to do so. The field of inquiry should remain open, and the right of debate must

be regarded as a sacred right.

 

Jorge Luis Borges

Censorship is the mother of metaphor.

 

Heywood Broun

The censor believes that he can hold back the mighty traffic of life with a tin

whistle and a raised right hand. For after all, it is life with which he

quarrels.

 

Buddha

Words have the power to both destroy and heal. When words are both true and

kind, they can change our world.

 

George W. Bush

Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of

September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the

terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty.

 

Noam Chomsky

Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the

imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever.

 

Noam Chomsky

From a comparative perspective, the United States is unusual if not unique in

the lack of restraints on freedom of expression. It is also unusual in the range

and effectiveness of methods employed to restrain freedom of thought... Where

the voice of the people is heard, elite groups must insure their voice says the

right things.

 

Bill Clinton

When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution

with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to

Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it

responsibly.... [However, now] there's a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot

of people say there's too much freedom. When personal freedom's being abused,

you have to move to limit it.

 

Bill Clinton

The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people.

 

Bill Clinton

We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary

Americans...

 

Henry Steele Commager

Censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates, in the end, the kind

of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion... In the long run it

will create a generation incapable of appreciating the difference between

independence of thought and subservience.

 

Robert Corn-Revere

Censorship is contagious, and experience with this culture of regulation teaches

us that regulatory enthusiasts herald each new medium of communications as

another opportunity to spread the disease.

 

Judith Crist

What censorship accomplishes, creating an unreal and hypocritical mythology,

fomenting an attraction for forbidden fruit, inhibiting the creative minds among

us and fostering an illicit trade. Above all, it curtails the right of the

individual, be he creator or consumer, to satisfy his intellect and his interest

without harm. In our law-rooted society, we are not the keeper of our brother’s

morals – only of his rights.

 

Graceanne A. Decandido

If librarianship is the connecting of people to ideas – and I believe that is

the truest definition of what we do – it is crucial to remember that we must

keep and make available, not just good ideas and noble ideas, but bad ideas,

silly ideas, and yes, even dangerous or wicked ideas.

 

Alan Dershowitz

Students throughout the totalitarian world risk life and limb for freedom of

expression, many American college students are demanding that big brother

restrict their freedom of speech on campus. This demand for enhanced censorship

is not emanating only from the usual corner – the know-nothing fundamentalist

right – it is coming from the radical, and increasingly not-so-radical left as

well.

 

Justice William O. Douglas

The function of free speech under our system of government is to invite dispute.

It may indeed best serve its high purpose when it invites a condition of unrest,

creates dissatisfaction with conditions as they are, or even stirs people to

anger. Speech is often provocative and challenging. It may strike at prejudices

and preconceptions and have profound unsettling effects as it passes for

acceptance of an idea.

 

Justice William O. Douglas

It is our attitude toward free thought and free expression that will determine

our fate. There must be no limit on the range of temperate discussion, no limits

on thought. No subject must be taboo. No censor must preside at our assemblies.

 

William O. Douglas

The First and Fourteenth Amendments say that Congress and the States shall make

“no law” which abridges freedom of speech or of the press. In order to sanction

a system of censorship I would have to say that “no law” does not mean what it

says, that “no law” is qualified to mean “some” laws. I cannot take this step.

 

Robert P. Doyle

When books are challenged, restricted, removed, or banned, an atmosphere of

suppression exists…. The fear of the consequences of censorship is as damaging

as, or perhaps more damaging than, the actual censorship attempt. After all,

when a published work is banned, it can usually be found elsewhere. Unexpressed

ideas, unpublished works, unpurchased books are lost forever.

 

Ronald Dworkin

‘Balanced’ is a code for ‘denied’: a right to free speech that must be

‘balanced’ against so exhaustive a list of other supposed values means a right

that can be exercised only when those in power judge that the speech in question

is innocuous to them.

 

Dwight D. Eisenhower

It is an ancient truth that freedom cannot be legislated into existence, so it

is no less obvious that freedom cannot be censored into existence. And any who

act as if freedom’s defenses are found in suppression and suspicion and fear

confess a doctrine that is alien to America.

 

Thomas I. Emerson

The function of the censor is to censor. He has a professional interest in

finding things to suppress.

 

Thomas I. Emerson

The Right of all members of society to form their own beliefs and communicate

them freely to others must be regarded as an essential principle of a

democratically organized society.

 

Thomas I. Emerson

Every man – in the development of his own personality – has the right to form

his own beliefs and opinions. Hence, suppression of belief, opinion and

expression is an affront to the dignity of man, a negation of man’s essential

nature.

 

Desiderius Erasmus

In the country of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

 

Harold Evans

Propaganda is persuading people to make up their minds while withholding some of

the facts from them.

 

Federico Fellini

Censorship is advertising paid by the government.

 

Feminists Against Censorship

Censorship is a dangerous tool that is primarily used to suppress from those who

would challenge oppression by the society and that state, and particularly

victimizes minorities. [it] can never eliminate evil ideas, and so the best

answer to bad speech is more speech.

 

Owen Fiss

The idea of neutrality in the speech context not only requires that the state

refrain from choosing among viewpoints, but also that it not structure public

debate in such a way as to favor one viewpoint over another. The state must act

as a high-minded parliamentarian, making certain that all viewpoints are fully

and fairly heard.

 

Bruce E. Fleury

Censorship in any form, represents a lack of trust in the judgment of the

individual. The passage of time provides the best perspective for sorting the

wheat from the chaff.

 

Larry Flynt

If the human body's obscene, complain to the manufacturer, not me.

 

E. M. Forster

We are willing enough to praise freedom when she is safely tucked away in the

past and cannot be a nuisance. In the present, amidst dangers whose outcome we

cannot foresee, we get nervous about her, and admit censorship.

 

Jay Fox

Every attempt to gag the free expression of thought is an unsocial act against

society. That is why judges and juries who try to enforce such laws make

themselves ridiculous.

 

Jerome D. Frank

To vest a few fallible men – prosecutors, judges, jurors – with vast powers of

literary or artistic censorship, to convert them into what J. S. Mill has

called the “Moral Police,” it is to make them despotic arbiters of literary

products.

 

Ruth Gavison

Describing an action or an event as the “consequence” of speech presupposes that

there is some causal connection between them. A central issue in any debate

about the limits of free speech is the nature and the imminence of the causal

connection between speech and its alleged consequences…. In actual social

situations it is impossible to isolate factors and determine their contribution

to effects. Such control is extremely complicated even in a scientific

laboratory.

 

Jo Godwin

A truly great library contains something in it to offend everyone.

 

Mike Godwin

The First Amendment was designed to protect offensive speech, because nobody

ever tries to ban the other kind.

 

Richard Goldstein

To subject an artist’s work to a litmus test of political probity – and to

punish institutions that will not carry out the mandate of the state – is to

traffic in the thought control that gave us Stalinism and Nazism…

 

Paul Goodman

When there is official censorship it is a sign that speech is serious. Where

there is none, it is pretty certain that the official spokesmen have all the

loud-speakers.

 

Joseph Paul Göebbels

Not every item of news should be published. Rather must those who control news

policies endeavor to make every item of news serve a certain purpose.

 

Joseph Paul Göebbels

During a war, news should be given out for instruction rather than information.

 

A. Whitney Griswold

Books won’t stay banned. They won’t burn. Ideas won’t go to jail. In the long

run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost. The only sure

weapon against bad ideas is better ideas. The source of better ideas is wisdom.

 

Ann Lyon Haight

In the history of censorship, the oldest and most frequently recurring controls

have been those designed to prevent unorthodox and unpopular expressions of

political or religions opinions.

 

William Randolph Hearst

We hold that no person or set of persons can properly establish a standard of

expression for others.

 

Simon Heffer

This is, in theory, still a free country, but our politically correct,

censorious times are such that many of us tremble to give vent to perfectly

acceptable views for fear of condemnation. Freedom of speech is thereby

imperiled, big questions go undebated, and great lies become accepted,

unequivocally as great truths.

 

Robert A. Heinlein

Limiting the freedom of news ‘just a little bit’ is in the same category within

the classic example ‘a little bit pregnant’.

 

Claude-Adrien Helvetius

To limit the press is to insult a nation; to prohibit reading of certain books

is to declare the inhabitants to be either fools or knaves. Granville HicksThe

sooner we all learn to make a decision between disapproval and censorship, the

better off society will be... Censorship cannot get at the real evil, and it is

an evil in itself.

 

Granville Hicks

A censor is a man who knows more than he thinks you ought to.

 

Adolf HitlerThe size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be

believed, for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more

easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive

simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a

small one, for they themselves often tell little lies, but would be ashamed to

tell big lies.

 

Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr

I think that we should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the

expression of opinions that we loathe and believe to be fraught with death,

unless they are so imminently threaten immediate interference with the lawful

and pressing purposes of the law that an immediate check is required to save the

country... Only the emergency that makes it immediately dangerous to leave the

correction of evil counsels to time warrants making any exception to the

sweeping command, “Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of

speech.”

 

Sidney Hook

To silence criticism is to silence freedom.

 

Hubert H. Humphrey

None of us would trade freedom of expression for the narrowness of the public

censor. America is a free market for people who have something to say, and need

not fear to say it.

 

Joseph Henry Jackson

Did you ever hear anyone say, “That work had better be banned because I might

read it and it might be very damaging to me.”

 

Jeff Jacoby

The First Amendment says nothing about a right not to be offended. The risk of

finding someone else's speech offensive is the price each of us pays for our own

free speech. Free people don't run to court -- or to the principal -- when they

encounter a message they don't like. They answer it with one of their own.

 

Ernest Jones

[Censors are] people with secret attractions to various temptations... They are

defending themselves under the pretext of defending others, because at heart

they fear their own weaknesses.

 

Howard Mumford Jones

Persecution is the first law of society because it is always easier to suppress

criticism than to meet it.

 

John F. Kennedy

There is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions

do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger than an announced need

for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its

meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment.

 

Krzysztof Kieslowski

Why did they devise censorship? To show a world which doesn’t exist, an ideal

world, or what they envisaged as the ideal world. And we wanted to depict the

world as it was.

 

Milton Konvitz

The invaluable and the valueless, the noble and the tawdry, the beautiful and

the ugly, the true and the false, the good and the evil, are equally protected

by the First and the Fourteenth Amendments’ guarantees of a free press and

religious freedom.

 

Charles Kors,

It seems now that the place where you see the most obvious censorship is on

college campuses --- the precise place where you would expect to see the least.

 

ALAN Arthur Lelyveld

Censorship…is always and everywhere an evil. Censorship means the screening of

material by an authority invested with power to ban that which it

disapproves….And who is that paragon to whom we would be willing to entrust such

authority?

 

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

The bourgeoisie is many times stronger than we. To give it the weapon of freedom

of the press is to ease the enemy’s cause, to help the class enemy. We do not

desire to end in suicide, so we will not do this.

 

Max Lerner

The Seven Deadly Sins of the Press: - Concentrated Power of the Big Press. -

Passing of competition and the coming of monopoly. - Governmental control of the

press. - Timidity, especially in the face of group and corporate pressures. -

Big Business mentality. - Clannishness among the newspaper publishers that has

prevented them from criticizing each other. - Social blindness.

 

Max Lerner

In societies like the American and West European where the dynamics of energy

come from freedom and where the climate and the whole ethos are those of

freedom, censorship is bound to be at worst , stupid; at best, futile; and

always, to some degree, inconsonant with the character of the society as a

whole.

 

Doris Lessing

With a library you are free, not confined by temporary political climates. It is

the most democratic of institutions because no one – but no one at all – can

tell you what to read and when and how.

 

Dorris Lessing

Political correctness is the natural continuum from the party line. What we are

seeing once again is a self-appointed group of vigilantes imposing their views

on others.

 

Joseph Lewis

The burning of an author’s books, imprisonment for opinion’s sake, has always

been the tribute that an ignorant age pays to the genius of its time.

 

Sinclair Lewis

Every compulsion is put upon writers to become safe, polite, obedient, and

sterile. In protest, I declined election to the National Institute of Arts and

Letters some years ago, and now I must decline the Pulitzer Prize.

 

A. J. Liebling

People everywhere confuse, What they read in newspapers with news.

 

Walter Lippmann

Without some form of censorship, propaganda in the strict sense of the word is

impossible. In order to conduct propaganda there must be some barrier between

the public and the event.

 

Archibald Macleish

Once you permit those who are convinced of their own superior rightness to

censor and silence and suppress those who hold contrary opinions, just at that

moment the citadel has been surrendered.

 

James Madison

The people shall not be deprived or abridged of their right to speak, or to

publish their sentiments; and the freedom of the press, as one of the great

bulwarks of liberty, shall be inviolable.

 

Kenan Malik

It is the freedom to blaspheme, to transgress, to move beyond the pale, that is

at the heart of all intellectual, artistic and political endeavor. Far from

censoring offensive speech, a vibrant and diverse society should encourage it.

In any society that is not uniform, grey and homogeneous, there are bound to be

clashes of viewpoints.

 

David Mamet

We live in oppressive times. We have, as a nation, become our own thought

police; but instead of calling the process by which we limit our expression of

dissent and wonder ‘censorship,’ we call it ‘concern for commercial viability.’

 

Eugene Mccarthy

There is danger in the concentration of control in the television and radio

networks, especially in the large television and radio stations; danger in the

concentration of ownership in the press…and danger in the increasing

concentration of selection by book publishers and reviewers and by the producers

of radio and television programs.

 

Gail W. Mcgee

I’m going to introduce a resolution to have the postmaster general stop reading

dirty books and deliver the mail.

 

William McGowan

In May 1998, [Los Angeles Times publisher Mark] Willis told the Wall Street

Journal that he wanted to make the Times more appealing to women and minorities

by producing stories that were “more emotional, more personal and less

analytic.”

 

Carey Mcwilliams

Censors are infused with the sentiment of moral indignation – a dangerous and

misleading sentiment because, by blinding those who voice it to the real reasons

for their indignation, it makes them puppets whose fears can be manipulated for

ends and purposes they do not foresee or intend.

 

Carey Mcwilliams

I am opposed to censorship in all forms, without any exceptions. As a matter of

social philosophy, I do not like the idea of some people trying to protect the

minds and morals of other people. In practice, this means that a majority seeks

to impose its standards on a minority; hence, an element of coercion is inherent

in the idea of censorship.

 

Carey Mcwilliams,

Whatever the individual motives of the censors may be, censorship is a form of

social control. It is a means of holding a society together, of arresting the

flux which censors fear. And since the fear cannot be appeased, the demands for

censorship mount in volume and intensity. And one form of censorship can easily

lead to other forms.

 

H. L. Mencken

The whole drift of our law is toward the absolute prohibition of all ideas that

diverge in the slightest form from the accepted platitudes, and behind that

drift of law there is a far more potent force of growing custom, and under that

custom there is a natural philosophy which erects conformity into the noblest of

virtues and the free functioning of personality into a capital crime against

society.

 

Charles W. Moore

If the political-correctness fascists get their way, we can safely assume it

will be correct-thinking, “political cleansing” squads deciding what we can or

cannot say on the Intenet. These people fear public debate and demand

homogenization of “acceptable” attitudes compatible with their emotional,

utopian idealism.

 

John Morley

When it is a duty to worship the sun it is pretty sure to be a crime to examine

the laws of heat.

 

Edward R. Morrow

If none of us ever read a book that was “dangerous,” had a friend who was

“different,” or joined an organization that advocated “change,” we would all be

the kind of people Joe McCarthy wants.

 

Bill Moyers

If you think there is freedom of the press in the United States, I tell you

there is no freedom of the press... They come out with the cheap shot. The press

should be ashamed of itself. They should come to both sides of the issue and

hear both sides and let the American people make up their minds.

 

George Jean Nathan

The artist and the censor differ in this wise: that the first is a decent mind

in an indecent body and that the second is an indecent mind in a decent body.

 

Reverend Martin Niemoeller

In Germany, the Nazis first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up

because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up

because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't

speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics,

but I didn't speak up because I was a protestant. Then they came for me, and by

that time there was no one left to speak for me.

 

Eugene O’Neill

Censorship of anything, at any time, in any place, on whatever pretense, has

always been and will always be the last resort of the boob and the bigot.

 

George Orwell

At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed

all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly

forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is “not done”… Anyone who

challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising

effectiveness. A genuinely unfashionable opinion is almost never given a fair

hearing, either in the popular press or in the highbrow periodicals.

 

John Osborne

Censorship is the commonest social blasphemy because it is mostly concealed,

built into us by indolence, self-interest and cowardice.

 

Katherine Patterson

All of us can think of a book... that we hope none of our children or any other

children have taken off the shelf. But if I have the right to remove that book

from the shelf -- that book I abhor -- then you also have exactly the same right

and so does everyone else. And then we have no books left on the shelf for any

of us.

 

Laurence J. Peter

A censor is a man who knows more than he thinks you ought to.

 

Pope Leo XIII

The liberty of thinking and publishing whatsoever each one likes, without any

hindrances, is not in itself an advantage over which society can wisely rejoice.

On the contrary, it is the fountainhead and origin of many evils.

 

Pope Pius X

Henceforth it will be the task of this Sacred Congregation not only to examine

carefully the books denounced to it, to prohibit them if necessary, and to grant

permission for reading forbidden books, but also to supervise, ex officio, books

that are being published, and to pass sentence on such as deserve to be

prohibited.

 

Neil Postman

Make no mistake about it: the labeling of someone’s language as ‘sexist’

involves a political judgment and implies the desirability of a particular

sociological doctrine. One may be in favor of that doctrine//%Who%(as I believe

I am)//%Source%but it is quite another matter to force writers by edicts and

censorship into accepting it.

 

Terence H. Qualter

The weapon of the dictator is not so much propaganda as censorship. Charles

RembarAside from the collective gain that comes from that free interchange of

ideas, there is a direct personal value for the individual concerned. Each of us

should have the right to speak his thoughts and to hear the thoughts of others…

 

Eleanor Roosevelt

We do not move forward by curtailing people’s liberty because we are afraid of

what they may do or say.

 

Franklin D. Roosevelt

If the fires of freedom and civil liberties burn low in other lands, they must

be made brighter in our own. If in other lands the press and books and

literature of all kinds are censored, we must redouble our efforts here to keep

them free. If in other lands the eternal truths of the past are threatened by

intolerance, we must provide a safe place for their perception.

 

Salman Rushdie

The worst, most insidious effect of censorship is that, in the end, it can

deaden the imagination of the people. Where there is no debate, it is hard to go

on remembering, every day, that there is a suppressed side to every argument.

 

Bertrand Russell

Heretical views arise when the truth is uncertain, and it is only when the truth

is uncertain that censorship is invoked.

 

Bertrand Russell

It is clear that thought is not free if the profession of certain opinions make

it impossible to earn a living.

 

Willy Russell

I pray that no child of mine would ever descend into such a place as a library.

They are indeed most dangerous places and unfortunate is she or he who is lured

into such a hellhole of enjoyment, stimulus, facts, passion and fun.

 

Richard Salant

If newsmen do not tell the truth as they see it because it might make waves, or

if their bosses decide something should or should not be broadcast because of

Washington or Main Street consequences, we have dishonored ourselves and we have

lost the First Amendment by default.

 

George Bernard Shaw

Assassination is the extreme form of censorship.

 

George Bernard Shaw

Censorship ends in logical completeness when nobody is allowed to read any books

except the books that nobody reads.

 

George Bernard Shaw

(1856-1950)All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current

conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging

current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing institutions.

Consequently, the first condition of progress is the removal of censorships.

 

John Silber

The reduction of political discourse to sound bites is one of the worst things

that’s happened in American political life.

 

Hedrick Smith

This is precisely the purpose of censorship – not only to block unwanted views,

but to keep people who are unhappy from knowing how many millions of others

share their unhappiness; to keep the dormant opposition from awakening to its

own developing strength.

 

Tommy Smothers

The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen.

 

Gerry Spence

The Internet…has become the voice of the people in the first genuine experiment

in democracy yet conducted in America. It stands ready to serve every facet,

every faction.

 

Herbert Spencer

The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the

world with fools.

 

Lysander Spooner

Vices are not crimes.

 

John Paul Stevens

As a matter of constitutional tradition, in the absence of evidence to the

contrary, we presume that governmental regulation of the content of speech is

more likely to interfere with the free exchange of ideas than to encourage it.

The interest in encouraging free-dom of expression in a democratic society

outweighs any theoretical but unproven benefit of censorship.

 

Justice Potter Stewart

Censorship reflects a society’s lack of confidence in itself. It is the landmark

of an authoritarian regime...

 

Donald Thompson

Political censorship is necessarily based on fear of what will happen if those

whose work is censored get their way, or if they are effecting in persuading a

large number of readers to share their point of view. The nature of political

censorship at any given time depends on the censor’s answer to the simple

question, “What are you afraid of?”

 

Henry David Thoreau

Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes.

 

Mark Twain

Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew

it.

 

Voltaire

It is the characteristic of the most stringent censorships, that they give

credibility to the opinions they attack.

 

Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

All these people talk so eloquently about getting back to good old-fashioned

values…and I say let’s get back to the good old-fashioned First Amendment of the

good old-fashioned Constitution of the United States – and to hell with the

censors! Give me knowledge or give me death!

 

Earl Warren

The censor’s sword pierces deeply into the heart of free expression.

 

Mae WestI believe in censorship. After all, I made a fortune out of it.

 

Rebecca West

But once a culture develops sufficiently to become skeptical, the idea of

censorship becomes less attractive. To suppress a book or a picture or a

sculpture or a play or a film is a terrible act of aggression against the artist

who created it. This is a miming of capital punishment; it destroys the life

that has been emanated by a life.

 

Rebecca West

God forbid that any book should be banned. The practice is as indefensible as

infanticide.

 

George Will

Freedom is not only the absence of external restraints. It is also the absence

of irresistible internal compulsions, unmanageable passion, and uncensorable

highlights.

 

Bertram Wolfe

Since direct political discussion was prohibited, all literature tended to

become a criticism of Russian life, and literary criticism but another form of

social criticism… If the censor forbade explicit statement, he was skillfully

eluded by indirection – by innocent seeming tales of other lands or times, by

complicated parables, animal fables, double meanings, overtones, by investing

apparently trivial events with the pent-up energies possessing the writer, so

that the reader became compelled to dwell upon them until their hidden meanings

became manifest.

 

Francis Wright

Persecution for opinion is the master vice of society.

 

Pope Leo Xiii

Books of apostates, heretics, schismatics, and all other writers defending

heresy or schism or in any attacking the foundations of religion, are altogether

prohibited.

 

John Peter Zenger

No nation, ancient or modern, ever lost the liberty of speaking freely, writing,

or publishing their sentiments, but forthwith lost their liberty in general and

became slaves.

 

 

 

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I just took this list off a random website that I found.

 

I think that some of the quotes here have been shortened or taken

completely out of context though, so they may appear to say something

different than the author intended. So whoever made this list

possibly tried to censor it in a way by making it more politically

correct to his/her way of thinking. Frank

 

 

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Re:Libraries

Many years later I read an account of the small B. religious Junior

College that I had attended. The teacher that wrote the book, revealed that

the President of the college used to peruse the shelves and remove any books

he felt unfit for tender young B. eyes. I used to work in that library! I

had a revelation ,when later on I went into the stacks of our State

supported University I then was able to attend. Local town Libraries were

rather vanilla flavored in book collecting when I was young , I was later

to learn. My best revenge has been to be able to OWN my books and stay out

of the libraries. NG

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Monday, June 28, 2004 3:11 PM

Censorship

 

 

Joseph Allen

The burning of an author's books, imprisonment for opinion's sake, has

always been the tribute that an ignorant age pays to the genius of its time.

 

Hollis Alpert

The artist, viewing his fellows through his personal vision, has through the

ages attempted to portray what he sees and to present his understanding of

it. Censorship in his case has perpetrated heavy and sometimes reprehensible

blunders.

 

American Library Association

The freedom to read is essential to our democracy. It is continuously under

attack. These actions apparently arise from a view that our national

tradition of free expression is no longer valid; that censorship and

suppression are needed to avoid the subversion of politics and the

corruption of morals.

 

American Library Association

We trust Americans to recognize propaganda and misinformation, and to make

their own decisions about what they read and believe.

 

William M. Anderson, Jr.

The intellectually stifling results of censorship -- while deplorable

in any setting -- would be all the more abominable if allowed to exist

within the college environment.

 

Thurman Arnold

The spectacle of a judge pouring over the picture of some nude, trying to

ascertain the extent to which she arouses prurient interests, and then

attempting to write an opinion which explains the difference between that

nude and some other nude has elements of low comedy.

 

Margaret Atwood

The use of " religion " as an excuse to repress the freedom of expression and

to deny human rights is not confined to any country or time. Sir Francis

BaconA forbidden writing is thought to be a certain spark of truth, that

flies up in the face of them who seek to tread it out.

 

Carl Friedrich Bahrdt

The freedom to share one's insights and judgments verbally or in writing is,

just like the freedom to think, a holy and inalienable right of humanity

that, as a universal human right, is above all the rights of princes.

 

Robert Baird

The freedom allowed in the United States to all sorts of

inquiry and discussion necessarily leads to a diversity of opinion, which

is seen not only in there being different denominations, but different

opinions also in the same denomination.

 

Hosea Ballou

The oppression of any people for opinion's sake has rarely had any other

effect than to fix those opinions deeper, and render them more important.

 

Alan Barth

Thought that is silenced is always rebellious. Majorities, of course, are

often mistaken. This is why the silencing of minorities is necessarily

dangerous. Criticism and dissent are the indispensable antidote to major

delusions.

 

Pierre-Augustin Beaumarchais

As long as I don't write about the government, religion, politics, and other

institutions, I am free to print anything.

 

W. Lance Bennett

Perhaps the most obvious political effect of controlled news is the

advantage it gives powerful people in getting their issues on the political

agenda and defining those issues in ways likely to influence their

resolution.

 

Jeremy Bentham

As to the evil which results from censorship, it is impossible to measure

it, because it is impossible to tell where it ends.

 

Mark Berley

Political correctness is really a subjective list put together by the few to

rule the many -- a list of things one must think, say, or do. It affronts

the right of the individual to establish his or her own beliefs.

 

Mark Berley

Purveyors of political correctness will, in the final analysis, not even

allow others their judgments... They celebrate " difference, " but they will

not allow people truly to be different -- to think differently, and to say

what they think.

 

David K. Berninghausen

In order to get the truth, conflicting arguments and expression must be

allowed. There can be no freedom without choice, no sound choice without

knowledge.

 

John Berry

If your library is not 'unsafe', it probably isn't doing its job.

 

Harry A. Blackmun

By placing discretion in the hands of an official to grant or deny a

license, such a statute creates a threat of censorship that by its very

existence chills free speech.

 

Napoleon Bonaparte,

I want a situation without censorship, because I do not want to be

responsible for whatever they may say.

 

Neal Boortz

How many Catholic schools do you think teach the students to question the

authority of the Pope? Do you believe Christian schools teach students to

question or challenge the authority of Jesus Christ? Do military schools

teach the cadets to challenge the authority of superior officers? Well, why

should we then expect government schools to teach children to question the

authority of government?

 

David Booth

This kind of rhetoric should be familiar to any who lived through the

McCarthy era of the 1950s. It allows for no differences, not agreement to

disagree, among adults or children.

 

William E. Borah

No more fatuous chimera has ever infested the brain than that you can

control opinions by law or direct belief by statute, and no more pernicious

sentiment ever tormented the heart than the barbarous desire

to do so. The field of inquiry should remain open, and the right of debate

must be regarded as a sacred right.

 

Jorge Luis Borges

Censorship is the mother of metaphor.

 

Heywood Broun

The censor believes that he can hold back the mighty traffic of life with a

tin whistle and a raised right hand. For after all, it is life with which he

quarrels.

 

Buddha

Words have the power to both destroy and heal. When words are both true and

kind, they can change our world.

 

George W. Bush

Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks

of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away

from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty.

 

Noam Chomsky

Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on

the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever.

 

Noam Chomsky

>From a comparative perspective, the United States is unusual if not unique

in the lack of restraints on freedom of expression. It is also unusual in

the range and effectiveness of methods employed to restrain freedom of

thought... Where the voice of the people is heard, elite groups must insure

their voice says the right things.

 

Bill Clinton

When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical

Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of

individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had

that freedom would use it responsibly.... [However, now] there's a lot of

irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When

personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it.

 

Bill Clinton

The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people.

 

Bill Clinton

We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary

Americans...

 

Henry Steele Commager

Censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates, in the end, the

kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion... In the

long run it will create a generation incapable of appreciating the

difference between independence of thought and subservience.

 

Robert Corn-Revere

Censorship is contagious, and experience with this culture of regulation

teaches us that regulatory enthusiasts herald each new medium of

communications as another opportunity to spread the disease.

 

Judith Crist

What censorship accomplishes, creating an unreal and hypocritical mythology,

fomenting an attraction for forbidden fruit, inhibiting the creative minds

among us and fostering an illicit trade. Above all, it curtails the right of

the individual, be he creator or consumer, to satisfy his intellect and his

interest without harm. In our law-rooted society, we are not the keeper of

our brother's morals - only of his rights.

 

Graceanne A. Decandido

If librarianship is the connecting of people to ideas - and I believe that

is the truest definition of what we do - it is crucial to remember that we

must keep and make available, not just good ideas and noble ideas, but bad

ideas, silly ideas, and yes, even dangerous or wicked ideas.

 

Alan Dershowitz

Students throughout the totalitarian world risk life and limb for freedom of

expression, many American college students are demanding that big brother

restrict their freedom of speech on campus. This demand for enhanced

censorship is not emanating only from the usual corner - the know-nothing

fundamentalist right - it is coming from the radical, and increasingly

not-so-radical left as well.

 

Justice William O. Douglas

The function of free speech under our system of government is to invite

dispute. It may indeed best serve its high purpose when it invites a

condition of unrest, creates dissatisfaction with conditions as they are, or

even stirs people to anger. Speech is often provocative and challenging. It

may strike at prejudices and preconceptions and have profound unsettling

effects as it passes for acceptance of an idea.

 

Justice William O. Douglas

It is our attitude toward free thought and free expression that will

determine our fate. There must be no limit on the range of temperate

discussion, no limits on thought. No subject must be taboo. No censor must

preside at our assemblies.

 

William O. Douglas

The First and Fourteenth Amendments say that Congress and the States shall

make " no law " which abridges freedom of speech or of the press. In order to

sanction a system of censorship I would have to say that " no law " does not

mean what it says, that " no law " is qualified to mean " some " laws. I cannot

take this step.

 

Robert P. Doyle

When books are challenged, restricted, removed, or banned, an atmosphere of

suppression exists.. The fear of the consequences of censorship is as

damaging as, or perhaps more damaging than, the actual censorship attempt.

After all, when a published work is banned, it can usually be found

elsewhere. Unexpressed ideas, unpublished works, unpurchased books are lost

forever.

 

Ronald Dworkin

'Balanced' is a code for 'denied': a right to free speech that must be

'balanced' against so exhaustive a list of other supposed values means a

right that can be exercised only when those in power judge that the speech

in question is innocuous to them.

 

Dwight D. Eisenhower

It is an ancient truth that freedom cannot be legislated into existence, so

it is no less obvious that freedom cannot be censored into existence. And

any who act as if freedom's defenses are found in suppression and suspicion

and fear confess a doctrine that is alien to America.

 

Thomas I. Emerson

The function of the censor is to censor. He has a professional interest in

finding things to suppress.

 

Thomas I. Emerson

The Right of all members of society to form their own beliefs and

communicate them freely to others must be regarded as an essential principle

of a democratically organized society.

 

Thomas I. Emerson

Every man - in the development of his own personality - has the right to

form his own beliefs and opinions. Hence, suppression of belief, opinion and

expression is an affront to the dignity of man, a negation of man's

essential nature.

 

Desiderius Erasmus

In the country of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

 

Harold Evans

Propaganda is persuading people to make up their minds while withholding

some of the facts from them.

 

Federico Fellini

Censorship is advertising paid by the government.

 

Feminists Against Censorship

Censorship is a dangerous tool that is primarily used to suppress from those

who would challenge oppression by the society and that state, and

particularly victimizes minorities. [it] can never eliminate evil ideas, and

so the best answer to bad speech is more speech.

 

Owen Fiss

The idea of neutrality in the speech context not only requires that the

state refrain from choosing among viewpoints, but also that it not structure

public debate in such a way as to favor one viewpoint over another. The

state must act as a high-minded parliamentarian, making certain that all

viewpoints are fully and fairly heard.

 

Bruce E. Fleury

Censorship in any form, represents a lack of trust in the judgment of the

individual. The passage of time provides the best perspective for sorting

the wheat from the chaff.

 

Larry Flynt

If the human body's obscene, complain to the manufacturer, not me.

 

E. M. Forster

We are willing enough to praise freedom when she is safely tucked away in

the past and cannot be a nuisance. In the present, amidst dangers whose

outcome we cannot foresee, we get nervous about her, and admit censorship.

 

Jay Fox

Every attempt to gag the free expression of thought is an unsocial act

against society. That is why judges and juries who try to enforce such laws

make themselves ridiculous.

 

Jerome D. Frank

To vest a few fallible men - prosecutors, judges, jurors - with vast powers

of

literary or artistic censorship, to convert them into what J. S. Mill has

called the " Moral Police, " it is to make them despotic arbiters of literary

products.

 

Ruth Gavison

Describing an action or an event as the " consequence " of speech presupposes

that there is some causal connection between them. A central issue in any

debate about the limits of free speech is the nature and the imminence of

the causal connection between speech and its alleged consequences.. In

actual social situations it is impossible to isolate factors and determine

their contribution to effects. Such control is extremely complicated even in

a scientific laboratory.

 

Jo Godwin

A truly great library contains something in it to offend everyone.

 

Mike Godwin

The First Amendment was designed to protect offensive speech, because nobody

ever tries to ban the other kind.

 

Richard Goldstein

To subject an artist's work to a litmus test of political probity - and to

punish institutions that will not carry out the mandate of the state - is to

traffic in the thought control that gave us Stalinism and Nazism.

 

Paul Goodman

When there is official censorship it is a sign that speech is serious. Where

there is none, it is pretty certain that the official spokesmen have all the

loud-speakers.

 

Joseph Paul Göebbels

Not every item of news should be published. Rather must those who control

news policies endeavor to make every item of news serve a certain purpose.

 

Joseph Paul Göebbels

During a war, news should be given out for instruction rather than

information.

 

A. Whitney Griswold

Books won't stay banned. They won't burn. Ideas won't go to jail. In the

long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost. The

only sure weapon against bad ideas is better ideas. The source of better

ideas is wisdom.

 

Ann Lyon Haight

In the history of censorship, the oldest and most frequently recurring

controls have been those designed to prevent unorthodox and unpopular

expressions of political or religions opinions.

 

William Randolph Hearst

We hold that no person or set of persons can properly establish a standard

of expression for others.

 

Simon Heffer

This is, in theory, still a free country, but our politically correct,

censorious times are such that many of us tremble to give vent to perfectly

acceptable views for fear of condemnation. Freedom of speech is thereby

imperiled, big questions go undebated, and great lies become accepted,

unequivocally as great truths.

 

Robert A. Heinlein

Limiting the freedom of news 'just a little bit' is in the same category

within the classic example 'a little bit pregnant'.

 

Claude-Adrien Helvetius

To limit the press is to insult a nation; to prohibit reading of certain

books is to declare the inhabitants to be either fools or knaves. Granville

HicksThe sooner we all learn to make a decision between disapproval and

censorship, the better off society will be... Censorship cannot get at the

real evil, and it is an evil in itself.

 

Granville Hicks

A censor is a man who knows more than he thinks you ought to.

 

Adolf HitlerThe size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be

believed, for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts

more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The

primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big

lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies, but would

be ashamed to tell big lies.

 

Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr

I think that we should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the

expression of opinions that we loathe and believe to be fraught with death,

unless they are so imminently threaten immediate interference with the

lawful and pressing purposes of the law that an immediate check is required

to save the country... Only the emergency that makes it immediately

dangerous to leave the correction of evil counsels to time warrants making

any exception to the sweeping command, " Congress shall make no

law...abridging the freedom of speech. "

 

Sidney Hook

To silence criticism is to silence freedom.

 

Hubert H. Humphrey

None of us would trade freedom of expression for the narrowness of the

public censor. America is a free market for people who have something to

say, and need not fear to say it.

 

Joseph Henry Jackson

Did you ever hear anyone say, " That work had better be banned because I

might read it and it might be very damaging to me. "

 

Jeff Jacoby

The First Amendment says nothing about a right not to be offended. The risk

of finding someone else's speech offensive is the price each of us pays for

our own free speech. Free people don't run to court -- or to the

principal -- when they encounter a message they don't like. They answer it

with one of their own.

 

Ernest Jones

[Censors are] people with secret attractions to various temptations... They

are defending themselves under the pretext of defending others, because at

heart they fear their own weaknesses.

 

Howard Mumford Jones

Persecution is the first law of society because it is always easier to

suppress criticism than to meet it.

 

John F. Kennedy

There is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our

traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger than an

announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious

to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and

concealment.

 

Krzysztof Kieslowski

Why did they devise censorship? To show a world which doesn't exist, an

ideal world, or what they envisaged as the ideal world. And we wanted to

depict the world as it was.

 

Milton Konvitz

The invaluable and the valueless, the noble and the tawdry, the beautiful

and the ugly, the true and the false, the good and the evil, are equally

protected by the First and the Fourteenth Amendments' guarantees of a free

press and religious freedom.

 

Charles Kors,

It seems now that the place where you see the most obvious censorship is on

college campuses --- the precise place where you would expect to see the

least.

 

ALAN Arthur Lelyveld

Censorship.is always and everywhere an evil. Censorship means the screening

of material by an authority invested with power to ban that which it

disapproves..And who is that paragon to whom we would be willing to entrust

such authority?

 

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

The bourgeoisie is many times stronger than we. To give it the weapon of

freedom of the press is to ease the enemy's cause, to help the class enemy.

We do not desire to end in suicide, so we will not do this.

 

Max Lerner

The Seven Deadly Sins of the Press: - Concentrated Power of the Big Press. -

Passing of competition and the coming of monopoly. - Governmental control of

the press. - Timidity, especially in the face of group and corporate

pressures. - Big Business mentality. - Clannishness among the newspaper

publishers that has prevented them from criticizing each other. - Social

blindness.

 

Max Lerner

In societies like the American and West European where the dynamics of

energy come from freedom and where the climate and the whole ethos are those

of freedom, censorship is bound to be at worst , stupid; at best, futile;

and always, to some degree, inconsonant with the character of the society as

a whole.

 

Doris Lessing

With a library you are free, not confined by temporary political climates.

It is the most democratic of institutions because no one - but no one at

all - can tell you what to read and when and how.

 

Dorris Lessing

Political correctness is the natural continuum from the party line. What we

are seeing once again is a self-appointed group of vigilantes imposing their

views on others.

 

Joseph Lewis

The burning of an author's books, imprisonment for opinion's sake, has

always been the tribute that an ignorant age pays to the genius of its time.

 

Sinclair Lewis

Every compulsion is put upon writers to become safe, polite, obedient, and

sterile. In protest, I declined election to the National Institute of Arts

and Letters some years ago, and now I must decline the Pulitzer Prize.

 

A. J. Liebling

People everywhere confuse, What they read in newspapers with news.

 

Walter Lippmann

Without some form of censorship, propaganda in the strict sense of the word

is impossible. In order to conduct propaganda there must be some barrier

between the public and the event.

 

Archibald Macleish

Once you permit those who are convinced of their own superior rightness to

censor and silence and suppress those who hold contrary opinions, just at

that moment the citadel has been surrendered.

 

James Madison

The people shall not be deprived or abridged of their right to speak, or to

publish their sentiments; and the freedom of the press, as one of the great

bulwarks of liberty, shall be inviolable.

 

Kenan Malik

It is the freedom to blaspheme, to transgress, to move beyond the pale, that

is at the heart of all intellectual, artistic and political endeavor. Far

from censoring offensive speech, a vibrant and diverse society should

encourage it. In any society that is not uniform, grey and homogeneous,

there are bound to be clashes of viewpoints.

 

David Mamet

We live in oppressive times. We have, as a nation, become our own thought

police; but instead of calling the process by which we limit our expression

of dissent and wonder 'censorship,' we call it 'concern for commercial

viability.'

 

Eugene Mccarthy

There is danger in the concentration of control in the television and radio

networks, especially in the large television and radio stations; danger in

the concentration of ownership in the press.and danger in the increasing

concentration of selection by book publishers and reviewers and by the

producers of radio and television programs.

 

Gail W. Mcgee

I'm going to introduce a resolution to have the postmaster general stop

reading dirty books and deliver the mail.

 

William McGowan

In May 1998, [Los Angeles Times publisher Mark] Willis told the Wall Street

Journal that he wanted to make the Times more appealing to women and

minorities by producing stories that were " more emotional, more personal and

less analytic. "

 

Carey Mcwilliams

Censors are infused with the sentiment of moral indignation - a dangerous

and misleading sentiment because, by blinding those who voice it to the real

reasons for their indignation, it makes them puppets whose fears can be

manipulated for ends and purposes they do not foresee or intend.

 

Carey Mcwilliams

I am opposed to censorship in all forms, without any exceptions. As a matter

of social philosophy, I do not like the idea of some people trying to

protect the minds and morals of other people. In practice, this means that a

majority seeks to impose its standards on a minority; hence, an element of

coercion is inherent in the idea of censorship.

 

Carey Mcwilliams,

Whatever the individual motives of the censors may be, censorship is a form

of social control. It is a means of holding a society together, of arresting

the flux which censors fear. And since the fear cannot be appeased, the

demands for censorship mount in volume and intensity. And one form of

censorship can easily lead to other forms.

 

H. L. Mencken

The whole drift of our law is toward the absolute prohibition of all ideas

that diverge in the slightest form from the accepted platitudes, and behind

that drift of law there is a far more potent force of growing custom, and

under that custom there is a natural philosophy which erects conformity into

the noblest of virtues and the free functioning of personality into a

capital crime against society.

 

Charles W. Moore

If the political-correctness fascists get their way, we can safely assume it

will be correct-thinking, " political cleansing " squads deciding what we can

or cannot say on the Intenet. These people fear public debate and demand

homogenization of " acceptable " attitudes compatible with their emotional,

utopian idealism.

 

John Morley

When it is a duty to worship the sun it is pretty sure to be a crime to

examine the laws of heat.

 

Edward R. Morrow

If none of us ever read a book that was " dangerous, " had a friend who was

" different, " or joined an organization that advocated " change, " we would all

be the kind of people Joe McCarthy wants.

 

Bill Moyers

If you think there is freedom of the press in the United States, I tell you

there is no freedom of the press... They come out with the cheap shot. The

press should be ashamed of itself. They should come to both sides of the

issue and hear both sides and let the American people make up their minds.

 

George Jean Nathan

The artist and the censor differ in this wise: that the first is a decent

mind in an indecent body and that the second is an indecent mind in a decent

body.

 

Reverend Martin Niemoeller

In Germany, the Nazis first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up

because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't

speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and

I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the

Catholics, but I didn't speak up because I was a protestant. Then they came

for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak for me.

 

Eugene O'Neill

Censorship of anything, at any time, in any place, on whatever pretense, has

always been and will always be the last resort of the boob and the bigot.

 

George Orwell

At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is

assumed all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not

exactly forbidden to state this or that or the other, but it is " not done " .

Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with

surprising effectiveness. A genuinely unfashionable opinion is almost never

given a fair hearing, either in the popular press or in the highbrow

periodicals.

 

John Osborne

Censorship is the commonest social blasphemy because it is mostly concealed,

built into us by indolence, self-interest and cowardice.

 

Katherine Patterson

All of us can think of a book... that we hope none of our children or any

other children have taken off the shelf. But if I have the right to remove

that book from the shelf -- that book I abhor -- then you also have exactly

the same right and so does everyone else. And then we have no books left on

the shelf for any of us.

 

Laurence J. Peter

A censor is a man who knows more than he thinks you ought to.

 

Pope Leo XIII

The liberty of thinking and publishing whatsoever each one likes, without

any hindrances, is not in itself an advantage over which society can wisely

rejoice. On the contrary, it is the fountainhead and origin of many evils.

 

Pope Pius X

Henceforth it will be the task of this Sacred Congregation not only to

examine carefully the books denounced to it, to prohibit them if necessary,

and to grant permission for reading forbidden books, but also to supervise,

ex officio, books that are being published, and to pass sentence on such as

deserve to be prohibited.

 

Neil Postman

Make no mistake about it: the labeling of someone's language as 'sexist'

involves a political judgment and implies the desirability of a particular

sociological doctrine. One may be in favor of that doctrine//%Who%(as I

believe I am)//%Source%but it is quite another matter to force writers by

edicts and censorship into accepting it.

 

Terence H. Qualter

The weapon of the dictator is not so much propaganda as censorship. Charles

RembarAside from the collective gain that comes from that free interchange

of ideas, there is a direct personal value for the individual concerned.

Each of us should have the right to speak his thoughts and to hear the

thoughts of others.

 

Eleanor Roosevelt

We do not move forward by curtailing people's liberty because we are afraid

of what they may do or say.

 

Franklin D. Roosevelt

If the fires of freedom and civil liberties burn low in other lands, they

must be made brighter in our own. If in other lands the press and books and

literature of all kinds are censored, we must redouble our efforts here to

keep them free. If in other lands the eternal truths of the past are

threatened by intolerance, we must provide a safe place for their

perception.

 

Salman Rushdie

The worst, most insidious effect of censorship is that, in the end, it can

deaden the imagination of the people. Where there is no debate, it is hard

to go on remembering, every day, that there is a suppressed side to every

argument.

 

Bertrand Russell

Heretical views arise when the truth is uncertain, and it is only when the

truth is uncertain that censorship is invoked.

 

Bertrand Russell

It is clear that thought is not free if the profession of certain opinions

make it impossible to earn a living.

 

Willy Russell

I pray that no child of mine would ever descend into such a place as a

library. They are indeed most dangerous places and unfortunate is she or he

who is lured into such a hellhole of enjoyment, stimulus, facts, passion and

fun.

 

Richard Salant

If newsmen do not tell the truth as they see it because it might make waves,

or if their bosses decide something should or should not be broadcast

because of Washington or Main Street consequences, we have dishonored

ourselves and we have lost the First Amendment by default.

 

George Bernard Shaw

Assassination is the extreme form of censorship.

 

George Bernard Shaw

Censorship ends in logical completeness when nobody is allowed to read any

books except the books that nobody reads.

 

George Bernard Shaw

(1856-1950)All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current

conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by

challenging current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing

institutions. Consequently, the first condition of progress is the removal

of censorships.

 

John Silber

The reduction of political discourse to sound bites is one of the worst

things that's happened in American political life.

 

Hedrick Smith

This is precisely the purpose of censorship - not only to block unwanted

views, but to keep people who are unhappy from knowing how many millions of

others share their unhappiness; to keep the dormant opposition from

awakening to its own developing strength.

 

Tommy Smothers

The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen.

 

Gerry Spence

The Internet.has become the voice of the people in the first genuine

experiment in democracy yet conducted in America. It stands ready to serve

every facet, every faction.

 

Herbert Spencer

The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill

the world with fools.

 

Lysander Spooner

Vices are not crimes.

 

John Paul Stevens

As a matter of constitutional tradition, in the absence of evidence to the

contrary, we presume that governmental regulation of the content of speech

is more likely to interfere with the free exchange of ideas than to

encourage it. The interest in encouraging free-dom of expression in a

democratic society outweighs any theoretical but unproven benefit of

censorship.

 

Justice Potter Stewart

Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is the

landmark of an authoritarian regime...

 

Donald Thompson

Political censorship is necessarily based on fear of what will happen if

those whose work is censored get their way, or if they are effecting in

persuading a large number of readers to share their point of view. The

nature of political censorship at any given time depends on the censor's

answer to the simple question, " What are you afraid of? "

 

Henry David Thoreau

Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes.

 

Mark Twain

Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't

chew it.

 

Voltaire

It is the characteristic of the most stringent censorships, that they give

credibility to the opinions they attack.

 

Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

All these people talk so eloquently about getting back to good old-fashioned

values.and I say let's get back to the good old-fashioned First Amendment of

the good old-fashioned Constitution of the United States - and to hell with

the censors! Give me knowledge or give me death!

 

Earl Warren

The censor's sword pierces deeply into the heart of free expression.

 

Mae WestI believe in censorship. After all, I made a fortune out of it.

 

Rebecca West

But once a culture develops sufficiently to become skeptical, the idea of

censorship becomes less attractive. To suppress a book or a picture or a

sculpture or a play or a film is a terrible act of aggression against the

artist who created it. This is a miming of capital punishment; it destroys

the life that has been emanated by a life.

 

Rebecca West

God forbid that any book should be banned. The practice is as indefensible

as infanticide.

 

George Will

Freedom is not only the absence of external restraints. It is also the

absence of irresistible internal compulsions, unmanageable passion, and

uncensorable highlights.

 

Bertram Wolfe

Since direct political discussion was prohibited, all literature tended to

become a criticism of Russian life, and literary criticism but another form

of social criticism. If the censor forbade explicit statement, he was

skillfully eluded by indirection - by innocent seeming tales of other lands

or times, by complicated parables, animal fables, double meanings,

overtones, by investing apparently trivial events with the pent-up energies

possessing the writer, so that the reader became compelled to dwell upon

them until their hidden meanings became manifest.

 

Francis Wright

Persecution for opinion is the master vice of society.

 

Pope Leo Xiii

Books of apostates, heretics, schismatics, and all other writers defending

heresy or schism or in any attacking the foundations of religion, are

altogether prohibited.

 

John Peter Zenger

No nation, ancient or modern, ever lost the liberty of speaking freely,

writing, or publishing their sentiments, but forthwith lost their liberty in

general and became slaves.

 

 

 

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Hi,

 

It is not a pretty sight is it?

 

This site usually has the cleanest best information that is avalable

on the web.

 

 

If you want health information, you will have to go back a few days

and read or wait till recess is over for the kids.

 

I have had about as much as I can take now, so lets make it official.

 

Posting about anything and everything is over.

 

Posting must be " responsible " .

 

To do otherwise you will be posting at your own peril in the group.

 

We can discuss it later.

 

Frank

 

 

 

 

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> I am really confused - is this an alternative medicine group?? I

have read

> over lots of the posts and nothing has anything to do with that! I

just want

> to make sure I am not in the wrong group!! I am looking for help

with

> alternative medicine for my epstein barr symptoms, fatigue, etc.

Not a big deal, just

> thought I would ask!!

>

> Thanks!!

>

> Carrie...

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Dear Carrie, The Michael Moore controversy sparked a

discussion about freedom of speech, and the concern

actually has a lot to do with health freedom as well.

For example, This last September, 2003 several hundred

alternative health sites were shut down by the FTC.

Websites that the rest of the world can access are not

accessible to Americans due to the FTC action. You

might think that you can access all sites, but in fact

some sites you think are gone are actually just gone

for Americans.

This is just one very small aspect of the numerous

assaults on our health freedom. It's a long story, a

story of corruption, dishonesty,and abuse of power.

The Michael Moore film controversy has touched a

nerve in the Alternative Health community.

Stay tuned for regular programming...

 

Hi...

 

I am really confused - is this an alternative medicine

group?? I have read

over lots of the posts and nothing has anything to do

with that! I just want

to make sure I am not in the wrong group!! I am

looking for help with

alternative medicine for my epstein barr symptoms,

fatigue, etc. Not a big deal, just

thought I would ask!!

 

Thanks!!

 

Carrie...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Carrie,

 

Please go to our links page and click on a few of the links that

interst you.

 

One that I recommend to all newcomers ( as well to some of our not so

new members too) is the site.

http://www.doctoryourself.com

 

Start there,

 

welcome to the madhouse (not usual)

 

Frank

 

 

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wanted some

> support and info. and was getting tons of emails about that

stuff!! Anyway,

> didn't mean to complain!!

>

> Anyway, thanks again!!

>

> Carrie...

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> http://www.carrieskiddiecloset.com/

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