Michael Moore

[Guest guest]

I have not read Michael Moore's books nor have I seen any of his

movies. I just might do so now.

 

They were running some footage of him on TV and he made this

statement.

 

" It doesn't seem fair that the top 10% have 2 political parties

representing them and the other 90% have none " .

 

Boy, does that sound like an apt description to me to describe the

last 40 years of our polical choices. Over that time most have voted

for what they considered the least reprehensable, and through the

power of telling lies, using the corporate dominated major media,

etc. a lot of times have been duped and led to do things against

their own interests.

 

Spin (lies) became substance and truth became discredited and made to

look like foolishness. We entered the era of newspeak, double speak,

etc. Up became down, right became wrong, peace meant war, protection

of rights meant invading privacy, nutrition meant junk foods, health

meant poisons, reform meant giving away even more to special

interests, saving money meant looting the treasury, protection means arrest,

etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc. (the list is almost

endless).

 

I believe that the government, both elected and regulatory, has been

hijacked by special interests and the super wealthy corporations.

 

We have very little choices in most areas of our lives. We are

getting screwed on all fronts. We are being held hostage to the

chemical companies, the petrolium companies, the drug companies, the

Big Agri companies, etc. ( A lot are the same people) through our " elected "

representatives who in turn sell us out right and left. An " honest " politician

has very little chance in that system. He would be chewed up and spit out by

the system in quick order if he doesn't " play ball " .

 

The way that I see it the big boys are now to the point that they

could almost care less what we think. They think that they have such

control over and have gimmicked the system to the point where they can

now get anyone elected ( by hook or crook) they want, they can

subvert the sytem by using stupid or crooked lawmakers, judges,

courts, regulatory agaencies, etc. They now pretty much feel that they can do

anything and everything that they want and do it whenever they want and we are

too stupid, uninformed, poor and powerless to do anything about it.

 

They feel like they own it all, after all they bought and paid for

it and made it possible that most of those people to be there in the

first place. A lot of those people put in those positions don't have

many real talents other than cozying up to special interests and

knowing which side their bread is buttered on. They know that their

only " value " is by serving those special interests.

 

They have now progressed to the point of using anyone whether they

are stupid, incompetent, barely literate or whatever. They only have

to be able to think and say what they have been told to think and

say. We have come to be controlled and led by an army of

ventiloquist's dummies.

 

If all those special interests are getting something diverted to them

then it has to be at the expense of everyone else and that is what

has happened for a very long time now. You are paying way to much for

and dying (because most have no other choices) for the right to eat

bad foods, take bad medicines, receive bad health care, use

overpriced and dangerous fuel and energy, etc., etc., etc. Do you

think that all happened by accident? And guess who pays the bills,

not big business, not the politicians, not any of those special

interests out there. Their job is to take your resources as theirs,

pay little or no taxes and make you swallow it and believe it is

somehow " right " .

 

We can rightly blame it on the spin, massive money involved, etc. but

whatever the reasons, we have become the biggest dummies of all because we keep

letting them get away with it and only have some vague hope that someone

somewhere will do " something " and it will get better. They know what

their job is and we better wake up one day and figure out what our

job is and which side are we really on, the top 10% who are the special

interests or the other 90%?

 

my 2 cents,

 

Frank

[Guest guest]

Well, politics and politicians have become as dull and self-absorbed

as " hollywood " . And we are all caught up in the fascination of how

these people look rather then how they think or what they do. We are

living in a culture absorbed with idols. And no one profits more

from this than the corporations and pharmacuetical companies

(constantly telling us how we must look and feel).

 

But your right - we created this culture and if we want change, we

have to make it.

 

Micheal Moore didn't say anything that we didn't already know

(already reported by the press...). He just put it in a accessible

format. As much as I enjoy his work, I did think: wouldn't it be

nice if I had loads of money to make MY film about MY view of the

world!.

 

Mary

 

 

 

, " califpacific "

<califpacific> wrote:

> We can rightly blame it on the spin, massive money involved, etc.

but whatever the reasons, we have become the biggest dummies of all

because we keep letting them get away with it and only have some

vague hope that someone somewhere will do " something " and it will

get better. They know what their job is and we better wake up one

day and figure out what our job is and which side are we really on,

the top 10% who are the special interests or the other 90%?

> my 2 cents,

> Frank>>

[Guest guest]

One question, no make it two: has Michael Moore ever missed a meal, or ever worked a day in his life? Having that lardbucket posturing as "a working man" is the flimsiest media scam, yet.

 

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[Guest guest]

At 08:40 AM 12/1/06, you wrote:

 

Saturday,

November 25, 2006 5:49 PM

Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do ...a letter from Michael

Moore

 

Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do

 

Sunday, November 26th, 2006

 

Friends,

 

Tomorrow marks the day that we will have been in Iraq

longer than we were in all of World War II.

 

That's right. We were able to defeat all of Nazi

Germany, Mussolini, and the entire Japanese empire in LESS time than it's

taken the world's only superpower

to secure the road from the airport to downtown Baghdad.

 

And we haven't even done THAT. After 1,347 days, in

the same time it took us to took us to sweep across North Africa, storm

the beaches of Italy, conquer

the South Pacific, and liberate all of Western Europe, we cannot, after

over 3 and 1/2 years, even take over a single highway and protect

ourselves from

a homemade device of two tin cans placed in a pothole. No wonder the cab

fare from the airport into Baghdad is now running around $35,000 for the

25-minute

ride. And that doesn't even include a friggin' helmet.

 

Is this utter failure the fault of our troops?

Hardly. That's because no amount of troops or choppers or democracy shot

out of the barrel of a gun is ever

going to " win " the war in Iraq. It is a lost war, lost because

it never had a right to be won, lost because it was started by men who

have never been to

war, men who hide behind others sent to fight and die.

 

Let's listen to what the Iraqi people are saying,

according to a recent poll conducted by the University of Maryland:

 

** 71% of all Iraqis now want the U.S. out of

Iraq.

 

** 61% of all Iraqis SUPPORT insurgent attacks on

U.S. troops.

 

Yes, the vast majority of Iraqi citizens believe that

our soldiers should be killed and maimed! So what the hell are we still

doing there? Talk about not

getting the hint.

 

There are many ways to liberate a country. Usually

the residents of that country rise up and liberate themselves. That's how

we did it. You can also do

it through nonviolent, mass civil disobedience. That's how India did it.

You can get the world to boycott a regime until they are so ostracized

they capitulate.

That's how South Africa did it. Or you can just wait them out and, sooner

or later, the king's legions simply leave (sometimes just because they're

too

cold). That's how Canada did it.

 

The one way that DOESN'T work is to invade a country

and tell the people, " We are here to liberate you! " -- when

they have done NOTHING to liberate themselves.

Where were all the suicide bombers when Saddam was oppressing them? Where

were the insurgents planting bombs along the roadside as the evildoer

Saddam's

convoy passed them by? I guess ol' Saddam was a cruel despot -- but not

cruel enough for thousands to risk their necks. " Oh no, Mike, they

couldn't do

that! Saddam would have had them killed! " Really? You don't think

King George had any of the colonial insurgents killed? You don't think

Patrick Henry

or Tom Paine were afraid? That didn't stop them. When tens of thousands

aren't willing to shed their own blood to remove a dictator, that should

be the

first clue that they aren't going to be willing participants when you

decide you're going to do the liberating for them.

 

A country can HELP another people overthrow a tyrant

(that's what the French did for us in our revolution), but after you help

them, you leave. Immediately.

The French didn't stay and tell us how to set up our government. They

didn't say, " we're not leaving because we want your natural

resources. " They left

us to our own devices and it took us six years before we had an election.

And then we had a bloody civil war. That's what happens, and history is

full

of these examples. The French didn't say, " Oh, we better stay in

America, otherwise they're going to kill each other over that slavery

issue! "

 

The only way a war of liberation has a chance of

succeeding is if the oppressed people being liberated have their own

citizens behind them -- and a group

of Washingtons, Jeffersons, Franklins, Ghandis and Mandellas leading

them. Where are these beacons of liberty in Iraq? This is a joke and it's

been a joke

since the beginning. Yes, the joke's been on us, but with 655,000 Iraqis

now dead as a result of our invasion (source:

Johns Hopkins University),

I guess the cruel joke is on them. At least they've been liberated,

permanently.

 

So I don't want to hear another word about sending

more troops (wake up, America, John McCain is bonkers), or

" redeploying " them, or waiting four months

to begin the " phase-out. " There is only one solution and it is

this: Leave. Now. Start tonight. Get out of there as fast as we can. As

much as people of

good heart and conscience don't want to believe this, as much as it kills

us to accept defeat, there is nothing we can do to undo the damage we

have done.

What's happened has happened. If you were to drive drunk down the road

and you killed a child, there would be nothing you could do to bring that

child

back to life. If you invade and destroy a country, plunging it into a

civil war, there isn't much you can do 'til the smoke settles and blood

is mopped

up. Then maybe you can atone for the atrocity you have committed and help

the living come back to a better life.

 

The Soviet Union got out of Afghanistan in 36 weeks.

They did so and suffered hardly any losses as they left. They realized

the mistake they had made and

removed their troops. A civil war ensued. The bad guys won. Later, we

overthrew the bad guys and everybody lived happily ever after. See! It

all works

out in the end!

 

The responsibility to end this war now falls upon the

Democrats. Congress controls the purse strings and the Constitution says

only Congress can declare

war. Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi now hold the power to put an end to this

madness. Failure to do so will bring the wrath of the voters. We aren't

kidding around,

Democrats, and if you don't believe us, just go ahead and continue this

war another month. We will fight you harder than we did the Republicans.

The

opening page of my website

has a photo of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, each made up by a collage of

photos of the American soldiers who have died in Bush's War. But it is

now about

to become the Bush/Democratic Party War unless swift action is

taken.

 

This is what we demand:

 

1. Bring the troops home now. Not six months from

now. NOW. Quit looking for a way to win. We can't win. We've lost.

Sometimes you lose. This is one of

those times. Be brave and admit it.

 

2. Apologize to our soldiers and make amends. Tell

them we are sorry they were used to fight a war that had NOTHING to do

with our national security. We

must commit to taking care of them so that they suffer as little as

possible. The mentally and physically maimed must get the best care and

significant

financial compensation. The families of the deceased deserve the biggest

apology and they must be taken care of for the rest of their lives.

 

3. We must atone for the atrocity we have perpetuated

on the people of Iraq. There are few evils worse than waging a war based

on a lie, invading another

country because you want what they have buried under the ground. Now many

more will die. Their blood is on our hands, regardless for whom we voted.

If

you pay taxes, you have contributed to the three billion dollars a week

now being spent to drive Iraq into the hellhole it's become. When the

civil war

is over, we will have to help rebuild Iraq. We can receive no redemption

until we have atoned.

 

In closing, there is one final thing I know. We

Americans are better than what has been done in our name. A majority of

us were upset and angry after 9/11

and we lost our minds. We didn't think straight and we never looked at a

map. Because we are kept stupid through our pathetic education system and

our

lazy media, we knew nothing of history. We didn't know that WE were the

ones funding and arming Saddam for many years, including those when he

massacred

the Kurds. He was our guy. We didn't know what a Sunni or a Shiite was,

never even heard the words. Eighty percent of our young adults (according

to National

Geographic) were not able to find Iraq on the map. Our leaders played off

our stupidity, manipulated us with lies, and scared us to death.

 

But at our core we are a good people. We may be slow

learners, but that " Mission Accomplished " banner struck us as

odd, and soon we began to ask some questions.

Then we began to get smart. By this past November 7th, we got mad and

tried to right our wrongs. The majority now know the truth. The majority

now feel

a deep sadness and guilt and a hope that somehow we can make make it all

right again.

 

Unfortunately, we can't. So we will accept the

consequences of our actions and do our best to be there should the Iraqi

people ever dare to seek our help

in the future. We ask for their forgiveness.

 

We demand the Democrats listen to us and get out of

Iraq now.

 

Yours,

 

Michael Moore

www.michaelmoore.com

<http://www.michaelmoore.com/>

mmflint

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Funny that your post had absolutely nothing to do with what was

presented.....what's the matter, did he use to many big words for you? Or

are you just a spare head for the dark side! Weren't you the air head

making inane remarks about cannabis, which by the way is the most sacred

herb on the planet and the only herb when mixed with ANY other herb will

enhance the performance of the second herb and has only been used in

alternative healing for about 5,000 years!!! Sounds like you could use a

good joint...you really don't need to be fearful of getting cancer, as if

that ever could be proven, it would be all over the news.....and besides,

being on this list, you should know by now that getting rid of cancer is

easy once you understand the basic concepts of healing and wellness,

without ANY help from big pharma!!! Now, back to Michael, i've never seen

his film and i do not know the guy, but every thing he said in that post

needs to become reality.....maybe you would be bright enough to improve on

what he was suggesting, show us all a better way! Maybe you think it's

o.k. to give Israel 15 million $$ a DAY, or that it's a good thing that our

troops can't find osama, but have been a stabilizing force so that the

poppies are back into full production and the heroin is now flowing at the

highest level ever!! And of course the banksters are getting to launder all

the money there from!! So go ahead and take another swat at Michael, he

really is one of the bad guys! Normally i like to close with the words

of Jesus, Peace be with you, but you need to be an ensouled being to

receive that level of blessing...you sound like a clone! Kraig L. Carroll

******

Kraig and Shirley Carroll ... in the woods of SE Kentucky

http://www.thehavens.com/

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[Guest guest]

thank you, thank you!!

 

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The Havens

12/03/06 13:41:19

 

Re: Michael Moore

 

 

Funny that your post had absolutely nothing to do with what was presented.....what's the matter, did he use to many big words for you? Or are you just a spare head for the dark side! Weren't you the air head making inane remarks about cannabis, which by the way is the most sacred herb on the planet and the only herb when mixed with ANY other herb will enhance the performance of the second herb and has only been used in alternative healing for about 5,000 years!!! Sounds like you could use a good joint...you really don't need to be fearful of getting cancer, as if that ever could be proven, it would be all over the news.....and besides, being on this list, you should know by now that getting rid of cancer is easy once you understand the basic concepts of healing and wellness, without ANY help from big pharma!!! Now, back to Michael, i've never seen his film and i do not know the guy, but every thing he said in that post needs to become reality.....maybe you would be bright enough to improve on what he was suggesting, show us all a better way! Maybe you think it's o.k. to give Israel 15 million $$ a DAY, or that it's a good thing that our troops can't find osama, but have been a stabilizing force so that the poppies are back into full production and the heroin is now flowing at the highest level ever!! And of course the banksters are getting to launder all the money there from!! So go ahead and take another swat at Michael, he really is one of the bad guys! Normally i like to close with the words of Jesus, Peace be with you, but you need to be an ensouled being to receive that level of blessing...you sound like a clone! Kraig L. Carroll******Kraig and Shirley Carroll ... in the woods of SE Kentuckyhttp://www.thehavens.com/thehavens (AT) highland (DOT) net606-376-3363