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To all the Members who wrote me privately,

 

Since there is a no religious posting rule to the group, I want to especially

thank all the people who wrote to me privately to make sure that I got the word

and explained to me about satanic plots, world governments, rapture, etc. and

also the concern for my soul.

 

It seems if I will just read both of those towering theological and intellectual

sources Jerry Falwell and Rush Limbaugh I will surely understand everything. I

have to confess that I didn't do so the first 1,567 times someone has sent me

this type of information but I plan to now. After all who wouldn't want to be

enlightened? Maybe I will report back with my findings.

 

regards,

 

Frank

 

 

 

 

 

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Frank, to best of my knowledge, there is nothing theological about

Rush Limberger, and very little that is theological about Jerry

Foulweather.

 

However, with regard to Fahrenheit 911, I don't think the fat,

smirking twerp who's behind that movie has anything on George Bush.

If a picture is worth 1000 words, I will take George Bush over the

fat twerp. JMO

 

Elliot

 

, Frank

<califpacific> wrote:

> To all the Members who wrote me privately,

>

> Since there is a no religious posting rule to the group, I want to

especially thank all the people who wrote to me privately to make

sure that I got the word and explained to me about satanic plots,

world governments, rapture, etc. and also the concern for my soul.

>

> It seems if I will just read both of those towering theological and

intellectual sources Jerry Falwell and Rush Limbaugh I will surely

understand everything. I have to confess that I didn't do so the

first 1,567 times someone has sent me this type of information but I

plan to now. After all who wouldn't want to be enlightened? Maybe I

will report back with my findings.

>

> regards,

>

> Frank

>

>

>

>

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I bought some glasses and a glass pitcher that came from Mexico.

They are a common theme; clear glass with a blue rim. They are

nice looking and I like them but... I've read that some glasses are

dangerous because of the way they are fired and the lead they

contain can leach out into the water you drink from them.

 

Does anybody know anything about this?

 

Thank you very much for listening to my question!

 

Dave

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Dave, There is a small kit available at the hardware store to test glass

china and pottery for lead content, I have one myself. NG

 

 

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" Dave R Hermanson " <tumblweed4

 

Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:03 PM

Re: Private Messages

 

 

> I bought some glasses and a glass pitcher that came from Mexico.

> They are a common theme; clear glass with a blue rim. They are

> nice looking and I like them but... I've read that some glasses are

> dangerous because of the way they are fired and the lead they

> contain can leach out into the water you drink from them.

>

> Does anybody know anything about this?

>

> Thank you very much for listening to my question!

>

> Dave

>

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I agree.

 

My point although I may not have made it clear, was that people keep sending me

those two references when it comes to religion, moral questions and

understanding politics.

 

I really wasn't trying to say that Limbaugh was a theologian.

 

The message also wasn't about the film Fahrenheit 9/11 but about the gratuitous

sending me of messages to enlighten me to the secrets expounded by these two

towering pillars of BS and nonthink.

 

How would they like it if I kept sending them my own personal ideas about

religion or politics to their email boxes all of the time? Especialy if they

were considered a little off the wall.

 

As for your preferences based on ( pictures?) So you choose the smirking chimp

over the fat twerp. Big deal. See anyone can descend to name calling and small

minded character assination.

 

Also I didn't realize that it was a beauty contest. I thought rather naively

that it should be based on truth or not. That is the one thing that seems to get

conveniently lost along the way. " Truth " in our society is becoming just another

word for what brand of lie is being pushed by what rich politically powerfull

group who wants to do a snow job on us.

 

 

Did Bush lie about all those things, yes or no.

 

Or all of the other things that are coming out about this group that we have in

Washington. If what I have been reading is true it goes way beyond partisan

politics, but to the core of us a society.

 

If these things are true then we should kick the whole bunch out and put them in

jail.

If you personally want to accept and condone those kinds of things just because

the person involved is of the same political party says volumes and we may be in

even deeper trouble than I thought..

 

It is not some personality comparison betweeen a moviemaker and a president. I

can't accept lieing, stealing, cheating or subverting justice whether in a

moviemaker, president or the local grocer, cop, or city official.

 

It is solely.... are these people doing illegal things and if so what? If they

are then the crimes are even more outrageous by using the office of the

president to do them.

 

I will say this about the movie, most of the major media, political suppression,

etc.

 

If someone lies it is almost always because the truth cannot stand the light of

day whether it is a child, adult or a major political figure.

 

If someone is telling the truth and it is acceptable to most, they do not need

to manipulate the facts, media, channels of communication, etc. But if they are

doing those things then it is a very good indication that someone is trying to

pull the wool over our eyes.

 

Frank

 

 

 

breathedeepnow <aug20 wrote:

Frank, to best of my knowledge, there is nothing theological about

Rush Limberger, and very little that is theological about Jerry

Foulweather.

 

However, with regard to Fahrenheit 911, I don't think the fat,

smirking twerp who's behind that movie has anything on George Bush.

If a picture is worth 1000 words, I will take George Bush over the

fat twerp. JMO

 

Elliot

 

, Frank

<califpacific> wrote:

> To all the Members who wrote me privately,

>

> Since there is a no religious posting rule to the group, I want to

especially thank all the people who wrote to me privately to make

sure that I got the word and explained to me about satanic plots,

world governments, rapture, etc. and also the concern for my soul.

>

> It seems if I will just read both of those towering theological and

intellectual sources Jerry Falwell and Rush Limbaugh I will surely

understand everything. I have to confess that I didn't do so the

first 1,567 times someone has sent me this type of information but I

plan to now. After all who wouldn't want to be enlightened? Maybe I

will report back with my findings.

>

> regards,

>

> Frank

>

>

>

>

>

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If I agree with anything it is this:

 

Quote: As for your preferences based on ( pictures?) So you choose the

smirking chimp over the fat twerp. Big deal. See anyone can descend to

name calling and small minded character assination.

 

 

 

Really, what is with the name calling?...Fat twerp…gee I can guess what

you were like in elementary school. You know, people will listen and

take you more seriously if you stick to the cause and not revert to the

same tactics my 5 year old does. When I first read the “fat twerp”

remark that someone had made…well…it just really doesn’t do anything for

your cause…just makes you look like you have no real standing….get a

cause and dig a little deeper than “fat twerp” if you want to be taken

seriously.

Stacy

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Elliot needs to explain why his right-wing friends are so anxious to deprive

people of their right to see this movie. You bet he's got the goods on

Junior. That's why your friends are so scared of the movie.

JP

 

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" breathedeepnow " <aug20

 

Saturday, June 26, 2004 7:52 PM

Re: Private Messages

 

 

> Frank, to best of my knowledge, there is nothing theological about

> Rush Limberger, and very little that is theological about Jerry

> Foulweather.

>

> However, with regard to Fahrenheit 911, I don't think the fat,

> smirking twerp who's behind that movie has anything on George Bush.

> If a picture is worth 1000 words, I will take George Bush over the

> fat twerp. JMO

>

> Elliot

>

> , Frank

> <califpacific> wrote:

> > To all the Members who wrote me privately,

> >

> > Since there is a no religious posting rule to the group, I want to

> especially thank all the people who wrote to me privately to make

> sure that I got the word and explained to me about satanic plots,

> world governments, rapture, etc. and also the concern for my soul.

> >

> > It seems if I will just read both of those towering theological and

> intellectual sources Jerry Falwell and Rush Limbaugh I will surely

> understand everything. I have to confess that I didn't do so the

> first 1,567 times someone has sent me this type of information but I

> plan to now. After all who wouldn't want to be enlightened? Maybe I

> will report back with my findings.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Frank

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Frank, Regarding your response concerning

Farenheit 9/11, you couldn't have said it better.

 

We must never feel it would be disloyal to seek the

truth, no matter where it takes you. Our loyalty

should be first and formost to seeking the truth.

Truth is the road out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear JP,

 

With regard to " right wing friends, " I am independent. I do not

vote " democratic " or " republican, " but rather for the person or

people I believe will best do whatever it is I'd like to see

accomplished.

 

With regard to " depriving people of their right to see this movie, " I

know nothing about that, but I don't expect anyone ought to be

deprived of their right to view it.

 

I will add this, with regard to the character purported to have made

the movie:

 

Abraham Lincoln said, " After the age of 40, every man is responsible

for what his face looks like. " That being the case, if the character

who made " Fahrenheit 911 " is over 40, he is in sad shape. If he is

not, he'd better start working on his life and his face, because he

looks like no one I would trust or hire.

 

With regard to calling The President " Junior, " may I suggest that

even if one does not respect the person occupying the office, then at

least the office of The President deserves a great deal more respect

than that?

 

JP, may I also suggest you tone down your posts---make them less

assuming and less accusative about a member or members of this board?

In fact, you have no idea who I am or what I represent.

 

Thank you and best wishes,

 

Elliot

 

, " John

Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> wrote:

> Elliot needs to explain why his right-wing friends are so anxious

to deprive

> people of their right to see this movie. You bet he's got the

goods on

> Junior. That's why your friends are so scared of the movie.

> JP

>

> -

> " breathedeepnow " <aug20@m...>

>

> Saturday, June 26, 2004 7:52 PM

> Re: Private Messages

>

>

> > Frank, to best of my knowledge, there is nothing theological about

> > Rush Limberger, and very little that is theological about Jerry

> > Foulweather.

> >

> > However, with regard to Fahrenheit 911, I don't think the fat,

> > smirking twerp who's behind that movie has anything on George

Bush.

> > If a picture is worth 1000 words, I will take George Bush over the

> > fat twerp. JMO

> >

> > Elliot

> >

> > , Frank

> > <califpacific> wrote:

> > > To all the Members who wrote me privately,

> > >

> > > Since there is a no religious posting rule to the group, I want

to

> > especially thank all the people who wrote to me privately to make

> > sure that I got the word and explained to me about satanic plots,

> > world governments, rapture, etc. and also the concern for my soul.

> > >

> > > It seems if I will just read both of those towering theological

and

> > intellectual sources Jerry Falwell and Rush Limbaugh I will surely

> > understand everything. I have to confess that I didn't do so the

> > first 1,567 times someone has sent me this type of information

but I

> > plan to now. After all who wouldn't want to be enlightened? Maybe

I

> > will report back with my findings.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Frank

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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I have already stated that I have no need to explain anything. I just

wish to add, (and then I will be permanently off this thread, as I

will have nothing more to add), that the reason I wrote this:

 

" However, with regard to Fahrenheit 911, I don't think the fat,

smirking twerp who's behind that movie has anything on George Bush.

If a picture is worth 1000 words, I will take George Bush over the

fat twerp. "

 

is because it happens to be true. Every time I have seen the

character who is apparently responsible for " Fahrenheit 911, " he has

looked like a simpering, sloppy clown. His face, his bearing and his

attitude betray him. Anyone who wants to put their faith in what he

has to say---it's fine with me. But personally, I have little respect

for, and no confidence in, characters who choose to appear and to

behave like perennial adolescents.

 

Auf weiderzein and off this thread,

 

Elliot

 

, " John Polifronio "

<counterpnt@e...> wrote:

> Elliot needs to explain why his right-wing friends are so anxious

to deprive

> people of their right to see this movie. You bet he's got the

goods on

> Junior. That's why your friends are so scared of the movie.

> JP

>

> -

> " breathedeepnow " <aug20@m...>

>

> Saturday, June 26, 2004 7:52 PM

> Re: Private Messages

>

>

> > Frank, to best of my knowledge, there is nothing theological about

> > Rush Limberger, and very little that is theological about Jerry

> > Foulweather.

> >

> > However, with regard to Fahrenheit 911, I don't think the fat,

> > smirking twerp who's behind that movie has anything on George

Bush.

> > If a picture is worth 1000 words, I will take George Bush over the

> > fat twerp. JMO

> >

> > Elliot

> >

> > , Frank

> > <califpacific> wrote:

> > > To all the Members who wrote me privately,

> > >

> > > Since there is a no religious posting rule to the group, I want

to

> > especially thank all the people who wrote to me privately to make

> > sure that I got the word and explained to me about satanic plots,

> > world governments, rapture, etc. and also the concern for my soul.

> > >

> > > It seems if I will just read both of those towering theological

and

> > intellectual sources Jerry Falwell and Rush Limbaugh I will surely

> > understand everything. I have to confess that I didn't do so the

> > first 1,567 times someone has sent me this type of information

but I

> > plan to now. After all who wouldn't want to be enlightened? Maybe

I

> > will report back with my findings.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Frank

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Regarding Elliot's comment about Michael Moore, I

would like to point out that I believe he is

reflecting a cultural divide between the West Coast of

the US and other regions. Certain regions of the US

have more fixed rules for membership in the community.

For example, loyalty to the president and agreement

with close friends may be more important than a search

for justice or " the truth. "

It is a cultural value which places membership in a

group such as a family group or a political group

above other factors. This is the same cultural value

projected by Bush who is from the South.

They are lovely people but God have mercy on you if

you accidentally insult one of their friends. It's all

over, and no second chances.

(I have a personal theory that this cultural value has

its roots in the Germanic culture that immigrated to

the US over the past 100 years)

(You're either with us or against us.)

The West Coast has a very different orientation and is

less inclined to take it as an affront if someone

steps outside of the group or even challenges it.

Anyhow, let's remember that we are a culturally

diverse country and try to understand each other. It

can be a fascinating cross cultural experience!

So many limit their education by refusing to read or

listen to " the other side. " We need to be free of the

good opinion of others and seek the truth, seek to

learn, seek to understand.

I was unimpressed by Michael Moore's earlier films,

but this one is a masterpiece. It could literally

change the history of this country. For no other

reason, it should be seen.

 

 

I have already stated that I have no need to explain

anything. I just

wish to add, (and then I will be permanently off this

thread, as I

will have nothing more to add), that the reason I

wrote this:

 

" However, with regard to Fahrenheit 911, I don't think

the fat,

smirking twerp who's behind that movie has anything on

George Bush.

If a picture is worth 1000 words, I will take George

Bush over the

fat twerp. "

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, " breathedeepnow "

<aug20@m...> wrote:

 

>

> With regard to calling The President " Junior, " may I suggest that

> even if one does not respect the person occupying the office, then

at

> least the office of The President deserves a great deal more

respect

> than that?

 

 

No I don't think that respect is or should be automatic. Respect is

what people give in response to other people acting respectable.

 

In fact I like a certain amount of healthy disrespect. It helps to

keep the BS down to a more acceptable level.

 

Speaking of respect for presidents, here is what Moore had to say on

the TV clip about Bush and Clinton.

 

" Clinton was the best republican president that we have ever had " .

 

Bush he calls the, " Thief-In-Chief " .

 

I don't see anything wrong in people voicing disrespect for

politicians. Do you expect me to believe that our politicians are

sqeaky clean, altruistic, and are doing it for the love of country

and the " betterment of mankind " and we should hold them up to respect.

Pleeeease....!

 

Frank

 

 

 

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I will not respect anyone who does not respect me no matter his/her title. Many

politicians have for far to long disrespected any who do not fit ito their

social class, such as the lower middle class society. If they did respect us we

would not be taxed heavier than those making thousands more than us. We are not

respected because we are made to remain in the social class we are currently in

by the laws that are passed without oir rights being considered. Additionally,

anytime our right to choose is taken from us, so is a freedom, that is not

respectful. And EVERYTIME a politician runs for office and makes a lot of

promises and then does not follow through with them, that politician has lied

and therefore immediatley looses my respect.

What a person looks like or how the media chooses to portray a person, does not

make that person, but their personal actions do make them. I do not judge people

by looks but by character. That same character is what garners respect!

 

califpacific <califpacific wrote:

, " breathedeepnow "

<aug20@m...> wrote:

 

>

> With regard to calling The President " Junior, " may I suggest that

> even if one does not respect the person occupying the office, then

at

> least the office of The President deserves a great deal more

respect

> than that?

 

 

No I don't think that respect is or should be automatic. Respect is

what people give in response to other people acting respectable.

 

In fact I like a certain amount of healthy disrespect. It helps to

keep the BS down to a more acceptable level.

 

Speaking of respect for presidents, here is what Moore had to say on

the TV clip about Bush and Clinton.

 

" Clinton was the best republican president that we have ever had " .

 

Bush he calls the, " Thief-In-Chief " .

 

I don't see anything wrong in people voicing disrespect for

politicians. Do you expect me to believe that our politicians are

sqeaky clean, altruistic, and are doing it for the love of country

and the " betterment of mankind " and we should hold them up to respect.

Pleeeease....!

 

Frank

 

 

 

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I am talking about the Office, not the person. There is a difference.

 

, Michelle Custer

<tw34dd> wrote:

> I will not respect anyone who does not respect me no matter

his/her title. Many politicians have for far to long disrespected any

who do not fit ito their social class, such as the lower middle class

society. If they did respect us we would not be taxed heavier than

those making thousands more than us. We are not respected because we

are made to remain in the social class we are currently in by the

laws that are passed without oir rights being considered.

Additionally, anytime our right to choose is taken from us, so is a

freedom, that is not respectful. And EVERYTIME a politician runs for

office and makes a lot of promises and then does not follow through

with them, that politician has lied and therefore immediatley looses

my respect.

> What a person looks like or how the media chooses to portray a

person, does not make that person, but their personal actions do make

them. I do not judge people by looks but by character. That same

character is what garners respect!

>

> califpacific <califpacific> wrote:

> , " breathedeepnow "

> <aug20@m...> wrote:

>

> >

> > With regard to calling The President " Junior, " may I suggest that

> > even if one does not respect the person occupying the office,

then

> at

> > least the office of The President deserves a great deal more

> respect

> > than that?

>

>

> No I don't think that respect is or should be automatic. Respect is

> what people give in response to other people acting respectable.

>

> In fact I like a certain amount of healthy disrespect. It helps to

> keep the BS down to a more acceptable level.

>

> Speaking of respect for presidents, here is what Moore had to say

on

> the TV clip about Bush and Clinton.

>

> " Clinton was the best republican president that we have ever had " .

>

> Bush he calls the, " Thief-In-Chief " .

>

> I don't see anything wrong in people voicing disrespect for

> politicians. Do you expect me to believe that our politicians are

> sqeaky clean, altruistic, and are doing it for the love of country

> and the " betterment of mankind " and we should hold them up to

respect. Pleeeease....!

>

> Frank

>

>

>

> >

> > > > >

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HOw can you respect the office if the person who is running it is not

respectable? For the time that person is in the office are they not one and the

same?

 

breathedeepnow <aug20 wrote:I am talking about the Office, not the

person. There is a difference.

 

, Michelle Custer

<tw34dd> wrote:

> I will not respect anyone who does not respect me no matter

his/her title. Many politicians have for far to long disrespected any

who do not fit ito their social class, such as the lower middle class

society. If they did respect us we would not be taxed heavier than

those making thousands more than us. We are not respected because we

are made to remain in the social class we are currently in by the

laws that are passed without oir rights being considered.

Additionally, anytime our right to choose is taken from us, so is a

freedom, that is not respectful. And EVERYTIME a politician runs for

office and makes a lot of promises and then does not follow through

with them, that politician has lied and therefore immediatley looses

my respect.

> What a person looks like or how the media chooses to portray a

person, does not make that person, but their personal actions do make

them. I do not judge people by looks but by character. That same

character is what garners respect!

>

> califpacific <califpacific> wrote:

> , " breathedeepnow "

> <aug20@m...> wrote:

>

> >

> > With regard to calling The President " Junior, " may I suggest that

> > even if one does not respect the person occupying the office,

then

> at

> > least the office of The President deserves a great deal more

> respect

> > than that?

>

>

> No I don't think that respect is or should be automatic. Respect is

> what people give in response to other people acting respectable.

>

> In fact I like a certain amount of healthy disrespect. It helps to

> keep the BS down to a more acceptable level.

>

> Speaking of respect for presidents, here is what Moore had to say

on

> the TV clip about Bush and Clinton.

>

> " Clinton was the best republican president that we have ever had " .

>

> Bush he calls the, " Thief-In-Chief " .

>

> I don't see anything wrong in people voicing disrespect for

> politicians. Do you expect me to believe that our politicians are

> sqeaky clean, altruistic, and are doing it for the love of country

> and the " betterment of mankind " and we should hold them up to

respect. Pleeeease....!

>

> Frank

>

>

>

> >

> > > > >

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