Colon Bacteria need FIBER to Feed Healthy Digestion

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Colon Bacteria Need Fiber to Feed Healthy Digestion

JoAnn Guest

Jun 14, 2004 15:49 PDT

 

Republished with permission from

NutraIngredients.com,

March 3, 2004

 

Dietary fiber from fruits and vegetables provides essential food for

bacteria in the colon needed to fight off pathogens, say US researchers,

explaining why fruit and vegetables are so important in protecting

against colon disease.

 

The team from the Medical College of Georgia have

identified a transporter in the colon, called SLC5A8, which plays a role

in the final stage of the digestion process, absorbing the nutrients

produced by bacteria living in the organ.

 

In an online accelerated communication in the Journal of Biological

Chemistry, they explain how good bacteria in the colon produce an enzyme

that breaks down glucose found in the cell walls of vegetables, fruits

and cereals, and which cannot be digested in the small intestine.

In the

oxygen-less environment of the bacteria-packed colon, bacteria ferment

this glucose to use for energy which also results in the production of

short-chain fatty acids, the preferred nutrients for colon cells.

 

The researchers have found in both animal and human cells that SLC5A8 is

a final piece of the chain, a transporter expressed by colonic cells to

absorb the energy-packed, short-chain fatty acids.

 

" We used to teach that bacteria produced short-chain fatty acids which

are used by colonic cells but it was not known that these cells

possessed an efficient active transport system to absorb these fatty

acids, " said Dr Vadivel Ganapathy, the study's principal author.

 

The finding that SLC5A8 is the transporter helps clarify why fruits and

vegetables are beneficial and why antibiotics, which wipe out good

bacteria along with bad, should only be taken when absolutely necessary

as they upset the model and colonic cells.

 

" We do not make the enzyme to

digest cellulose; bacteria make the enzyme in the colon, " said Dr

Ganapathy. " Therefore, you need to eat dietary fiber to provide the food

for bacteria. Otherwise, they are not going to survive there.

 

Antibiotics can wipe out good bacteria as well, leaving a void where

disease-causing bacteria can grow. "

 

Researchers at Case Western Reserve University in Ohio reported in 2003

in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that they had

cloned the SLC5A8 transporter from the human colon. While they knew it

was a transporter, they did not know what it transported, but reported

instead its function as a tumor suppressor.

 

" When colon cells become cancerous, this particular transport system

gets silenced, " Dr Ganapathy says.

 

Where the transport system is expressed in the body provides clues of

what it transports, according to the researcher. The Case Western

Reserve research told him the transporter was heavily expressed in the

colon, a seemingly odd place because nutrient transport systems are not

typically expressed in the colon since digestion and absorption take

place almost exclusively in the small intestine.

 

But he also knew that colon cells need short-chain fatty acids to stay

healthy. " Normal colon cells express this transport system so they can

make use of the products made by the bacteria.

 

If these essential

nutrients do not come in, cells become sick, " he said.

 

Colleague Dr Robert G. Martindale, a gastrointestinal surgeon with a

special interest in probiotics, added: " The gut is a huge immune organ;

there are more immune cells in our gut than there are in the rest of the

body put together.

 

This [new] work is showing very nicely that if, in

fact, we keep this short-chain fatty acid transporter healthy, we then

can keep the whole immune system healthy. "

 

Immune cells also have a specific receptor for short-chain fatty acids

on the cell surface, and the Georgia team is pursuing the idea that the

SLC5A8 transporter is delivering these fatty acids to immune cells to

interact with the receptors and keep the immune cells vigilant as well.

 

They also want to know what happens to SLC5A8 and the receptor when

inflammation, such as inflammatory bowel disease, occurs.

Dr. Ganapathy

hypothesizes that inflammation occurs when something goes awry in the

symbiotic relationship between good bacteria and colon cells.

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi, JoAnn,

 

That bacteria need fiber to feed healthy digestion appears to go

nicely with Cleave's " The Saccharine Diet. " I thank our Aussie

members who recommended that I read what he has to say!

 

Cleave mentions at one point that a several-thousand-pound ox will

die in short order if it is not getting the correct amount of fiber

in its diet---if it is getting too much clover and not enough grass,

for instance. Not enough fiber means the animal's digestive system

will not get enough stimulation, and if the situation is not

corrected swiftly the animal bloats and dies.

 

He says that humans who are not getting enough fiber will also, over

time, suffer from gas, constipation, hemmorhoids, varicose veins,

diverticulosis/diverticulitis, gall stones, and other digestive dis-

eases, including cancer.

 

This is long---it's a book, in fact---but it is WELL WORTH reading:

 

http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/Cleave/cleave_toc.html

 

Best wishes,

 

Elliot

 

 

 

, JoAnn Guest

<angelprincessjo> wrote:

> Colon Bacteria Need Fiber to Feed Healthy Digestion

> JoAnn Guest

> Jun 14, 2004 15:49 PDT

>

> Republished with permission from

> NutraIngredients.com,

> March 3, 2004

>

> Dietary fiber from fruits and vegetables provides essential food

for

> bacteria in the colon needed to fight off pathogens, say US

researchers,

> explaining why fruit and vegetables are so important in protecting

> against colon disease.

>

> The team from the Medical College of Georgia have

> identified a transporter in the colon, called SLC5A8, which plays a

role

> in the final stage of the digestion process, absorbing the

nutrients

> produced by bacteria living in the organ.

>

> In an online accelerated communication in the Journal of Biological

> Chemistry, they explain how good bacteria in the colon produce an

enzyme

> that breaks down glucose found in the cell walls of vegetables,

fruits

> and cereals, and which cannot be digested in the small intestine.

> In the

> oxygen-less environment of the bacteria-packed colon, bacteria

ferment

> this glucose to use for energy which also results in the production

of

> short-chain fatty acids, the preferred nutrients for colon cells.

>

> The researchers have found in both animal and human cells that

SLC5A8 is

> a final piece of the chain, a transporter expressed by colonic

cells to

> absorb the energy-packed, short-chain fatty acids.

>

> " We used to teach that bacteria produced short-chain fatty acids

which

> are used by colonic cells but it was not known that these cells

> possessed an efficient active transport system to absorb these

fatty

> acids, " said Dr Vadivel Ganapathy, the study's principal author.

>

> The finding that SLC5A8 is the transporter helps clarify why fruits

and

> vegetables are beneficial and why antibiotics, which wipe out good

> bacteria along with bad, should only be taken when absolutely

necessary

> as they upset the model and colonic cells.

>

> " We do not make the enzyme to

> digest cellulose; bacteria make the enzyme in the colon, " said Dr

> Ganapathy. " Therefore, you need to eat dietary fiber to provide the

food

> for bacteria. Otherwise, they are not going to survive there.

>

> Antibiotics can wipe out good bacteria as well, leaving a void

where

> disease-causing bacteria can grow. "

>

> Researchers at Case Western Reserve University in Ohio reported in

2003

> in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that they

had

> cloned the SLC5A8 transporter from the human colon. While they knew

it

> was a transporter, they did not know what it transported, but

reported

> instead its function as a tumor suppressor.

>

> " When colon cells become cancerous, this particular transport

system

> gets silenced, " Dr Ganapathy says.

>

> Where the transport system is expressed in the body provides clues

of

> what it transports, according to the researcher. The Case Western

> Reserve research told him the transporter was heavily expressed in

the

> colon, a seemingly odd place because nutrient transport systems are

not

> typically expressed in the colon since digestion and absorption

take

> place almost exclusively in the small intestine.

>

> But he also knew that colon cells need short-chain fatty acids to

stay

> healthy. " Normal colon cells express this transport system so they

can

> make use of the products made by the bacteria.

>

> If these essential

> nutrients do not come in, cells become sick, " he said.

>

> Colleague Dr Robert G. Martindale, a gastrointestinal surgeon with

a

> special interest in probiotics, added: " The gut is a huge immune

organ;

> there are more immune cells in our gut than there are in the rest

of the

> body put together.

>

> This [new] work is showing very nicely that if, in

> fact, we keep this short-chain fatty acid transporter healthy, we

then

> can keep the whole immune system healthy. "

>

> Immune cells also have a specific receptor for short-chain fatty

acids

> on the cell surface, and the Georgia team is pursuing the idea that

the

> SLC5A8 transporter is delivering these fatty acids to immune cells

to

> interact with the receptors and keep the immune cells vigilant as

well.

>

> They also want to know what happens to SLC5A8 and the receptor when

> inflammation, such as inflammatory bowel disease, occurs.

> Dr. Ganapathy

> hypothesizes that inflammation occurs when something goes awry in

the

> symbiotic relationship between good bacteria and colon cells.

>

> http://nowfoods.com/?action=itemdetail & item_id=34220

> _________________

>

> JoAnn Guest

> mrsjoguest@s...

> DietaryTipsForHBP

> http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest

[Guest guest]

Elliot

I am pleased you managed to get a copy of Cleave's excellent book.

From memory I believe he also explains Deep Vein Thrombosis (DVT) and what

causes it.

I remember writing to Qantas about this and quoting from his book as they

had a court case

going in London where they were being sued by someone for causing DVT.

I explained that it was nothing to do with flying but simple constipation.

I never heard back. Probably thought I was a nut case.

I don't know if you have ever read it but Weston Prices book Nutrition and

Physical Degeneration is well worth the effort.

I read it about 4 years back and it completly changed my lifestyle. I read

Cleaves book straight after and between them

both they put it all together for me.

Regards

Graeme Ellis

The Goldfields

Western Australia

 

 

 

-

" breathedeepnow " <aug20

 

Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:52 AM

Re: Colon Bacteria need FIBER to Feed

Healthy Digestion

 

 

> Hi, JoAnn,

>

> That bacteria need fiber to feed healthy digestion appears to go

> nicely with Cleave's " The Saccharine Diet. " I thank our Aussie

> members who recommended that I read what he has to say!

>

> Cleave mentions at one point that a several-thousand-pound ox will

> die in short order if it is not getting the correct amount of fiber

> in its diet---if it is getting too much clover and not enough grass,

> for instance. Not enough fiber means the animal's digestive system

> will not get enough stimulation, and if the situation is not

> corrected swiftly the animal bloats and dies.

>

> He says that humans who are not getting enough fiber will also, over

> time, suffer from gas, constipation, hemmorhoids, varicose veins,

> diverticulosis/diverticulitis, gall stones, and other digestive dis-

> eases, including cancer.

>

> This is long---it's a book, in fact---but it is WELL WORTH reading:

>

> http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/Cleave/cleave_toc.html

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Elliot

>

>

>

> , JoAnn Guest

> <angelprincessjo> wrote:

> > Colon Bacteria Need Fiber to Feed Healthy Digestion

> > JoAnn Guest

> > Jun 14, 2004 15:49 PDT

> >

> > Republished with permission from

> > NutraIngredients.com,

> > March 3, 2004

> >

> > Dietary fiber from fruits and vegetables provides essential food

> for

> > bacteria in the colon needed to fight off pathogens, say US

> researchers,

> > explaining why fruit and vegetables are so important in protecting

> > against colon disease.

> >

> > The team from the Medical College of Georgia have

> > identified a transporter in the colon, called SLC5A8, which plays a

> role

> > in the final stage of the digestion process, absorbing the

> nutrients

> > produced by bacteria living in the organ.

> >

> > In an online accelerated communication in the Journal of Biological

> > Chemistry, they explain how good bacteria in the colon produce an

> enzyme

> > that breaks down glucose found in the cell walls of vegetables,

> fruits

> > and cereals, and which cannot be digested in the small intestine.

> > In the

> > oxygen-less environment of the bacteria-packed colon, bacteria

> ferment

> > this glucose to use for energy which also results in the production

> of

> > short-chain fatty acids, the preferred nutrients for colon cells.

> >

> > The researchers have found in both animal and human cells that

> SLC5A8 is

> > a final piece of the chain, a transporter expressed by colonic

> cells to

> > absorb the energy-packed, short-chain fatty acids.

> >

> > " We used to teach that bacteria produced short-chain fatty acids

> which

> > are used by colonic cells but it was not known that these cells

> > possessed an efficient active transport system to absorb these

> fatty

> > acids, " said Dr Vadivel Ganapathy, the study's principal author.

> >

> > The finding that SLC5A8 is the transporter helps clarify why fruits

> and

> > vegetables are beneficial and why antibiotics, which wipe out good

> > bacteria along with bad, should only be taken when absolutely

> necessary

> > as they upset the model and colonic cells.

> >

> > " We do not make the enzyme to

> > digest cellulose; bacteria make the enzyme in the colon, " said Dr

> > Ganapathy. " Therefore, you need to eat dietary fiber to provide the

> food

> > for bacteria. Otherwise, they are not going to survive there.

> >

> > Antibiotics can wipe out good bacteria as well, leaving a void

> where

> > disease-causing bacteria can grow. "

> >

> > Researchers at Case Western Reserve University in Ohio reported in

> 2003

> > in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that they

> had

> > cloned the SLC5A8 transporter from the human colon. While they knew

> it

> > was a transporter, they did not know what it transported, but

> reported

> > instead its function as a tumor suppressor.

> >

> > " When colon cells become cancerous, this particular transport

> system

> > gets silenced, " Dr Ganapathy says.

> >

> > Where the transport system is expressed in the body provides clues

> of

> > what it transports, according to the researcher. The Case Western

> > Reserve research told him the transporter was heavily expressed in

> the

> > colon, a seemingly odd place because nutrient transport systems are

> not

> > typically expressed in the colon since digestion and absorption

> take

> > place almost exclusively in the small intestine.

> >

> > But he also knew that colon cells need short-chain fatty acids to

> stay

> > healthy. " Normal colon cells express this transport system so they

> can

> > make use of the products made by the bacteria.

> >

> > If these essential

> > nutrients do not come in, cells become sick, " he said.

> >

> > Colleague Dr Robert G. Martindale, a gastrointestinal surgeon with

> a

> > special interest in probiotics, added: " The gut is a huge immune

> organ;

> > there are more immune cells in our gut than there are in the rest

> of the

> > body put together.

> >

> > This [new] work is showing very nicely that if, in

> > fact, we keep this short-chain fatty acid transporter healthy, we

> then

> > can keep the whole immune system healthy. "

> >

> > Immune cells also have a specific receptor for short-chain fatty

> acids

> > on the cell surface, and the Georgia team is pursuing the idea that

> the

> > SLC5A8 transporter is delivering these fatty acids to immune cells

> to

> > interact with the receptors and keep the immune cells vigilant as

> well.

> >

> > They also want to know what happens to SLC5A8 and the receptor when

> > inflammation, such as inflammatory bowel disease, occurs.

> > Dr. Ganapathy

> > hypothesizes that inflammation occurs when something goes awry in

> the

> > symbiotic relationship between good bacteria and colon cells.

> >

> > http://nowfoods.com/?action=itemdetail & item_id=34220

> > _________________

> >

> > JoAnn Guest

> > mrsjoguest@s...

> > DietaryTipsForHBP

> > http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello, Graeme!

 

In fact, Cleave's book, " The Saccharine Disease " , is available in

full on several online websites. One just puts " Saccharine Disease "

into a search engine, and several of the sites it pulls up allow one

to read the book online in full! Yes, Cleave does talk about DVT as

one of many degenerative dis-eases caused by consumption of refined

foods and by general overconsumption.

 

One thing my wife finds a bit fuzzy with what he has written is " only

eating as much as one wants. " How do you personally define that?

 

I copied the diet section and the part in which Cleave discusses

diverticulitis, and I gave them to my next door neighbor, but either

it is really too late, as the surgeon is saying, or the surgeon has

scared him into having surgery.

 

I'll have a look at Weston Price's book, and thanks again!

 

Elliot

 

 

 

, " Graeme Ellis "

<gvellis@w...> wrote:

> Elliot

> I am pleased you managed to get a copy of Cleave's excellent book.

> From memory I believe he also explains Deep Vein Thrombosis (DVT)

and what

> causes it.

> I remember writing to Qantas about this and quoting from his book

as they

> had a court case

> going in London where they were being sued by someone for causing

DVT.

> I explained that it was nothing to do with flying but simple

constipation.

> I never heard back. Probably thought I was a nut case.

> I don't know if you have ever read it but Weston Prices book

Nutrition and

> Physical Degeneration is well worth the effort.

> I read it about 4 years back and it completly changed my

lifestyle. I read

> Cleaves book straight after and between them

> both they put it all together for me.

> Regards

> Graeme Ellis

> The Goldfields

> Western Australia

>

>

>

> -

> " breathedeepnow " <aug20@m...>

>

> Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:52 AM

> Re: Colon Bacteria need FIBER

to Feed

> Healthy Digestion

>

>

> > Hi, JoAnn,

> >

> > That bacteria need fiber to feed healthy digestion appears to go

> > nicely with Cleave's " The Saccharine Diet. " I thank our Aussie

> > members who recommended that I read what he has to say!

> >

> > Cleave mentions at one point that a several-thousand-pound ox will

> > die in short order if it is not getting the correct amount of

fiber

> > in its diet---if it is getting too much clover and not enough

grass,

> > for instance. Not enough fiber means the animal's digestive system

> > will not get enough stimulation, and if the situation is not

> > corrected swiftly the animal bloats and dies.

> >

> > He says that humans who are not getting enough fiber will also,

over

> > time, suffer from gas, constipation, hemmorhoids, varicose veins,

> > diverticulosis/diverticulitis, gall stones, and other digestive

dis-

> > eases, including cancer.

> >

> > This is long---it's a book, in fact---but it is WELL WORTH

reading:

> >

> > http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/Cleave/cleave_toc.html

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Elliot

> >

> >

> >

> > , JoAnn Guest

> > <angelprincessjo> wrote:

> > > Colon Bacteria Need Fiber to Feed Healthy Digestion

> > > JoAnn Guest

> > > Jun 14, 2004 15:49 PDT

> > >

> > > Republished with permission from

> > > NutraIngredients.com,

> > > March 3, 2004

> > >

> > > Dietary fiber from fruits and vegetables provides essential food

> > for

> > > bacteria in the colon needed to fight off pathogens, say US

> > researchers,

> > > explaining why fruit and vegetables are so important in

protecting

> > > against colon disease.

> > >

> > > The team from the Medical College of Georgia have

> > > identified a transporter in the colon, called SLC5A8, which

plays a

> > role

> > > in the final stage of the digestion process, absorbing the

> > nutrients

> > > produced by bacteria living in the organ.

> > >

> > > In an online accelerated communication in the Journal of

Biological

> > > Chemistry, they explain how good bacteria in the colon produce

an

> > enzyme

> > > that breaks down glucose found in the cell walls of vegetables,

> > fruits

> > > and cereals, and which cannot be digested in the small

intestine.

> > > In the

> > > oxygen-less environment of the bacteria-packed colon, bacteria

> > ferment

> > > this glucose to use for energy which also results in the

production

> > of

> > > short-chain fatty acids, the preferred nutrients for colon

cells.

> > >

[Guest guest]

Graeme,

 

For those people who live in Australia and certain other areas where

copyright is non-renewable after 50 years, Weston Price's book is

available in full on line:

 

http://www.soilandhealth.org/copyform.asp?bookcode=020314

 

 

 

, " Graeme Ellis "

<gvellis@w...> wrote:

> Elliot

> I am pleased you managed to get a copy of Cleave's excellent book.

> From memory I believe he also explains Deep Vein Thrombosis (DVT)

and what

> causes it.

> I remember writing to Qantas about this and quoting from his book

as they

> had a court case

> going in London where they were being sued by someone for causing

DVT.

> I explained that it was nothing to do with flying but simple

constipation.

> I never heard back. Probably thought I was a nut case.

> I don't know if you have ever read it but Weston Prices book

Nutrition and

> Physical Degeneration is well worth the effort.

> I read it about 4 years back and it completly changed my

lifestyle. I read

> Cleaves book straight after and between them

> both they put it all together for me.

> Regards

> Graeme Ellis

> The Goldfields

> Western Australia

>

>

>

> -

> " breathedeepnow " <aug20@m...>

>

> Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:52 AM

> Re: Colon Bacteria need FIBER

to Feed

> Healthy Digestion

>

>

[Guest guest]

Elliot

" One thing my wife finds a bit fuzzy with what he has written is " only

eating as much as one wants. " How do you personally define that?

 

I don't recall that line or obviously it's context but I would assume he

means you don't have to " clean the plate " .

I know when I was growing up in NZ I was not allowed to leave the table

until my plate was empty. I remember sitting

there for hours sometimes. We were very poor and " waste not, want not " was

often said by my mother.

Unfortunatley, it's a habit that is hard to break. I still do it at 52

years old.

We should stop eating when the body tells us to. Listen to our bodies and

" only eat as much as one wants. "

Regards

Graeme Ellis

The Goldfields

Western Australia

 

 

 

 

-

" breathedeepnow " <aug20

 

Wednesday, June 16, 2004 12:47 AM

Re: Colon Bacteria need FIBER to Feed

Healthy Digestion

 

 

> Hello, Graeme!

>

> In fact, Cleave's book, " The Saccharine Disease " , is available in

> full on several online websites. One just puts " Saccharine Disease "

> into a search engine, and several of the sites it pulls up allow one

> to read the book online in full! Yes, Cleave does talk about DVT as

> one of many degenerative dis-eases caused by consumption of refined

> foods and by general overconsumption.

>

> One thing my wife finds a bit fuzzy with what he has written is " only

> eating as much as one wants. " How do you personally define that?

>

> I copied the diet section and the part in which Cleave discusses

> diverticulitis, and I gave them to my next door neighbor, but either

> it is really too late, as the surgeon is saying, or the surgeon has

> scared him into having surgery.

>

> I'll have a look at Weston Price's book, and thanks again!

>

> Elliot

>

>

>

> , " Graeme Ellis "

> <gvellis@w...> wrote:

> > Elliot

> > I am pleased you managed to get a copy of Cleave's excellent book.

> > From memory I believe he also explains Deep Vein Thrombosis (DVT)

> and what

> > causes it.

> > I remember writing to Qantas about this and quoting from his book

> as they

> > had a court case

> > going in London where they were being sued by someone for causing

> DVT.

> > I explained that it was nothing to do with flying but simple

> constipation.

> > I never heard back. Probably thought I was a nut case.

> > I don't know if you have ever read it but Weston Prices book

> Nutrition and

> > Physical Degeneration is well worth the effort.

> > I read it about 4 years back and it completly changed my

> lifestyle. I read

> > Cleaves book straight after and between them

> > both they put it all together for me.

> > Regards

> > Graeme Ellis

> > The Goldfields

> > Western Australia

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > " breathedeepnow " <aug20@m...>

> >

> > Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:52 AM

> > Re: Colon Bacteria need FIBER

> to Feed

> > Healthy Digestion

> >

> >

> > > Hi, JoAnn,

> > >

> > > That bacteria need fiber to feed healthy digestion appears to go

> > > nicely with Cleave's " The Saccharine Diet. " I thank our Aussie

> > > members who recommended that I read what he has to say!

> > >

> > > Cleave mentions at one point that a several-thousand-pound ox will

> > > die in short order if it is not getting the correct amount of

> fiber

[Guest guest]

Hi, Graeme.

 

I have ordered Weston Price's book from my local library. I am

looking forward to viewing the 150 photos he took of native peoples

in excellent health and to reading his recommendations.

 

Thanks for your thoughts on what Cleave says about eating only as

much as one wants. Yes, it's simple, actually. I'm the same age as

you are, and I remember my parents not letting me leave the table

till I took " one more bite. " A friend made me laugh heartily recently

by telling me she vomited at the table one time after her parents

made her take " just one more bite, " and that after that they ceased

the practice.

 

For people who have been over-eating for decades, it may not be all

that easy to " eat only as much as one wants, " or rather to truly know

how much one wants. I know that in my case, how much protein I need

per day and how much protein I feel like eating per day are two very

different things. I have become very used to eating two or three

times the protein I need.

 

One of the things I appreciate about Cleave is that he's writing from

a very practical, down to earth viewpoint, having been responsible

for the digestive and over-all health of sailors. I trust what he

says more than I do the word of a clinician who spent the majority of

his time cooped up in a laboratory.

 

Very soon my wife and I are going to try the whole wheat bread recipe

given in the appendix of " The Saccharine Disease. "

 

Best wishes,

 

Elliot

 

, " Graeme Ellis "

<gvellis@w...> wrote:

> Elliot

> " One thing my wife finds a bit fuzzy with what he has written

is " only

> eating as much as one wants. " How do you personally define that?

>

> I don't recall that line or obviously it's context but I would

assume he

> means you don't have to " clean the plate " .

> I know when I was growing up in NZ I was not allowed to leave the

table

> until my plate was empty. I remember sitting

> there for hours sometimes. We were very poor and " waste not, want

not " was

> often said by my mother.

> Unfortunatley, it's a habit that is hard to break. I still do it

at 52

> years old.

> We should stop eating when the body tells us to. Listen to our

bodies and

> " only eat as much as one wants. "

> Regards

> Graeme Ellis

> The Goldfields

> Western Australia

>

>

>

>

> -

> " breathedeepnow " <aug20@m...>

>

> Wednesday, June 16, 2004 12:47 AM

> Re: Colon Bacteria need FIBER

to Feed

> Healthy Digestion

>

>

> > Hello, Graeme!

> >

> > In fact, Cleave's book, " The Saccharine Disease " , is available in

> > full on several online websites. One just puts " Saccharine

Disease "

> > into a search engine, and several of the sites it pulls up allow

one

> > to read the book online in full! Yes, Cleave does talk about DVT

as

> > one of many degenerative dis-eases caused by consumption of

refined

> > foods and by general overconsumption.

> >

> > One thing my wife finds a bit fuzzy with what he has written

is " only

> > eating as much as one wants. " How do you personally define that?

> >

> > I copied the diet section and the part in which Cleave discusses

> > diverticulitis, and I gave them to my next door neighbor, but

either

> > it is really too late, as the surgeon is saying, or the surgeon

has

> > scared him into having surgery.

> >

> > I'll have a look at Weston Price's book, and thanks again!

> >

> > Elliot

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Graeme Ellis "

> > <gvellis@w...> wrote:

> > > Elliot

> > > I am pleased you managed to get a copy of Cleave's excellent

book.

> > > From memory I believe he also explains Deep Vein Thrombosis

(DVT)

> > and what

> > > causes it.

> > > I remember writing to Qantas about this and quoting from his

book

> > as they

> > > had a court case

> > > going in London where they were being sued by someone for

causing

> > DVT.

> > > I explained that it was nothing to do with flying but simple

> > constipation.

> > > I never heard back. Probably thought I was a nut case.

> > > I don't know if you have ever read it but Weston Prices book

> > Nutrition and

> > > Physical Degeneration is well worth the effort.

> > > I read it about 4 years back and it completly changed my

> > lifestyle. I read

> > > Cleaves book straight after and between them

> > > both they put it all together for me.

> > > Regards

> > > Graeme Ellis

> > > The Goldfields

> > > Western Australia

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > " breathedeepnow " <aug20@m...>

> > >

> > > Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:52 AM

> > > Re: Colon Bacteria need

FIBER

> > to Feed

> > > Healthy Digestion

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hi, JoAnn,

> > > >

> > > > That bacteria need fiber to feed healthy digestion appears to

go

> > > > nicely with Cleave's " The Saccharine Diet. " I thank our Aussie

> > > > members who recommended that I read what he has to say!

> > > >

> > > > Cleave mentions at one point that a several-thousand-pound ox

will

> > > > die in short order if it is not getting the correct amount of

> > fiber