Alternative Health and Becoming Your Own Doctor or How did we get to this sad state of affairs.

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How did we get to this sad state of affairs?

 

 

Well Group,

 

This group has been around almost 3 years now. A little over 1000 days

appoxiamtely. I formed this group because I couldn't find an alternative health

group to my liking. I am not saying that there weren't any at that time,, just

that I couldn't find them.

 

This group has about 21,300 messages in our archives. I probably have posted a

great deal of them. I have moderated most of the others.

 

In necessary basic information about orthomolecular type nutritional

requirements for health there are only like 40 something nutritional things that

we have to take in daily and are called " essentials " for health or even life.

Those are vitamins, minerals, fatty acids, protein, etc. We have thousands of

articles posted about nutritionals.

 

A relatively small amount of plants used as herbs make up the usual usage for

most ills. We also have thousands of articles about them in our archives.

 

Those things have all been covered and recovered a lot of times. Eventually you

get a little tired of answering the same questions and posting the same " stuff "

over and over again.

 

Here is what it boils down to. The body is an amazing biological machine. It is

a self building, self regulating, SELF HEALING and self destroying entity. It is

a biological entity like the others here on earth. We are like the other

mammals, fish, etc. and even have a lot in common with the plants that are here.

We can live and heal in that natural order of our world. ( More about

orthomolecular and herbals later)

 

The body almost always knows what is going on within itself nanosecond by

nanosecond and is adjusting to compensate and heal itself if need be. We do not,

and doctors, scientists, and pharmacuetical companies do not really know what is

going on completely in there or really what it needs. Most of what man has done

over the centuries to heal himself has been wrong in what type of help was

needed the regain health or to be optimally healthy. Especialy is the western

world and especial with the brand of medicine that grew out of there using drugs

and surgury. We know it as conventional medicine, western medicine or allopathic

medicine.

 

Allopathic medicine wasn't the only or even the best branch of medicine that was

avalable to us in our recent past. A little over a hundred years ago there were

many different schools of thought on medicine. Some based on herbs had been

around for a very long time and had their roots in centuries past. In Asia

herbal medicine had been recognised, organized and had been used for many

centuries. There were schools of thought that were the modern day equivalent of

" You are what you eat " school and treated illnesses by eating healthy foods.

Back then it was kind of a mixed bag of different schools of thought. Some were

pretty good by later standards of the study of biology while some were nuttier

than others.

 

In the late 1800's, most allopathic medicine didn't show very impressive

results. They used things like cuttings, bleedings, gave " medicines " of

poisionous substances like mercury, arsenic, etc. to treat patients. Most

allopathic doctors were poor, didn't make much money and most didn't hold high

social positions because most people didn't go to them much. If the disease

didn't kill you, the doctor and the treatment could and in a lot of cases did.

So how did that one school of thought come to dominate and monopolize modern

medicine?

 

Number one it wasn't based on results, I don't care how much they now try to

justify everything by the " science " yardstick. Those pills and potions made of

mercury, arsenic, lead, etc. were deadly. So could be the bleedings to let out

the bad stuff. Surgury was equally deadly. Those doctors also didn't believe in

hygeine so they usually spread infectious disease from one sick person to

another. So, from those kinds of beginings and those types of successes, how in

the hell did they come to be known and completely dominate modern medicine?

 

They did it the old fashioned way. They cheated. They gimmicked the system. It

was brought about by money and power just like the money and power that has

sustained it to this day. The later flourishing of it was spawned in the days

of the " robber barons " .

 

John Rockefeller at the time had by hook or crook (mostly by crook) came to for

all intents and purposes to monopolize the petrolium industry. His company owned

about 85% to 90% of the oil and refining capabilities. The other 15% or so

threw in with him rather than be eaten up eventually. He was one of the richest

and most powerfull men in America and would use any and all ways to make a buck

whether ethical, legal, or whatever. His father had been a traveling snake oil

type medicine saleman selling some petrolium based concoction made from crude

petrolium and called Nujoyl or something similar (I am not going to take the

time to find the correct spelling). Well, John controlled the petrolium industry

and out of that grew the chemical and pharmacuetical industries.

 

He had used corrupt politicians to help monopolize the oil industry and to use

as an influence in washington. When they decided to expand into the drug and

chemical business they had huge amounts of money to spend and had powerfull

local and national politicians to help them for money.

 

They revised the medical schools, the laws regulating and the licensing of

medicine, etc. with one fell swoop they wiped out almost all of their economic

competition. If you want to go to jail, rob one guy with one gun. If you want to

rob a country and go to the top of society use a pen.

 

Don't believe me? Do a little research. Find out for yourselves.

 

(more later)

 

Frank

 

 

 

 

 

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Frank you are being too nice to the pharmaceutical medical establishment. Though

I do not say it in public they represent the worst evil that have ever walked

the earth. In all of history there has never been such an evil that has been

able to attack the entire human race. Chemical genocide. Medical killing fields.

Pharmaceutically run concentration camps 60 years ago. Clinics now instead in

every town in the world posioning babies and little children. And of course its

all governmentally sponsored so they have destroyed good government. Its much

worse than anyone imagines, much much much worse.

 

Mark Sircus Ac., OMD, International Medical Veritas Association

http://www.imva.info

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Frank, just one example that immediately comes to mind of how

wealthy, ambitious people use their wealth and ambition to accumulate

more wealth, despite what the consequences might be:

 

It appears to be a fact that Rockefeller,(I think it was him), bought

and and destroyed as many trollies and trolley car tracks as he

could, so that people would need to buy cars instead of using public

transportation. That became a significant factor in Rockefeller's

obscene accumulation of wealth.

 

 

 

 

 

, Frank

<califpacific> wrote:

> How did we get to this sad state of affairs?

>

>

> Well Group,

>

> This group has been around almost 3 years now. A little over 1000

days appoxiamtely. I formed this group because I couldn't find an

alternative health group to my liking. I am not saying that there

weren't any at that time,, just that I couldn't find them.

>

> This group has about 21,300 messages in our archives. I probably

have posted a great deal of them. I have moderated most of the

others.

>

> In necessary basic information about orthomolecular type

nutritional requirements for health there are only like 40 something

nutritional things that we have to take in daily and are

called " essentials " for health or even life. Those are vitamins,

minerals, fatty acids, protein, etc. We have thousands of articles

posted about nutritionals.

>

> A relatively small amount of plants used as herbs make up the usual

usage for most ills. We also have thousands of articles about them in

our archives.

>

> Those things have all been covered and recovered a lot of times.

Eventually you get a little tired of answering the same questions and

posting the same " stuff " over and over again.

>

> Here is what it boils down to. The body is an amazing biological

machine. It is a self building, self regulating, SELF HEALING and

self destroying entity. It is a biological entity like the others

here on earth. We are like the other mammals, fish, etc. and even

have a lot in common with the plants that are here. We can live and

heal in that natural order of our world. ( More about orthomolecular

and herbals later)

>

> The body almost always knows what is going on within itself

nanosecond by nanosecond and is adjusting to compensate and heal

itself if need be. We do not, and doctors, scientists, and

pharmacuetical companies do not really know what is going on

completely in there or really what it needs. Most of what man has

done over the centuries to heal himself has been wrong in what type

of help was needed the regain health or to be optimally healthy.

Especialy is the western world and especial with the brand of

medicine that grew out of there using drugs and surgury. We know it

as conventional medicine, western medicine or allopathic medicine.

>

> Allopathic medicine wasn't the only or even the best branch of

medicine that was avalable to us in our recent past. A little over a

hundred years ago there were many different schools of thought on

medicine. Some based on herbs had been around for a very long time

and had their roots in centuries past. In Asia herbal medicine had

been recognised, organized and had been used for many centuries.

There were schools of thought that were the modern day equivalent

of " You are what you eat " school and treated illnesses by eating

healthy foods. Back then it was kind of a mixed bag of different

schools of thought. Some were pretty good by later standards of the

study of biology while some were nuttier than others.

>

> In the late 1800's, most allopathic medicine didn't show very

impressive results. They used things like cuttings, bleedings,

gave " medicines " of poisionous substances like mercury, arsenic, etc.

to treat patients. Most allopathic doctors were poor, didn't make

much money and most didn't hold high social positions because most

people didn't go to them much. If the disease didn't kill you, the

doctor and the treatment could and in a lot of cases did. So how did

that one school of thought come to dominate and monopolize modern

medicine?

>

> Number one it wasn't based on results, I don't care how much they

now try to justify everything by the " science " yardstick. Those pills

and potions made of mercury, arsenic, lead, etc. were deadly. So

could be the bleedings to let out the bad stuff. Surgury was equally

deadly. Those doctors also didn't believe in hygeine so they usually

spread infectious disease from one sick person to another. So, from

those kinds of beginings and those types of successes, how in the

hell did they come to be known and completely dominate modern

medicine?

>

> They did it the old fashioned way. They cheated. They gimmicked the

system. It was brought about by money and power just like the money

and power that has sustained it to this day. The later flourishing of

it was spawned in the days of the " robber barons " .

>

> John Rockefeller at the time had by hook or crook (mostly by crook)

came to for all intents and purposes to monopolize the petrolium

industry. His company owned about 85% to 90% of the oil and refining

capabilities. The other 15% or so threw in with him rather than be

eaten up eventually. He was one of the richest and most powerfull men

in America and would use any and all ways to make a buck whether

ethical, legal, or whatever. His father had been a traveling snake

oil type medicine saleman selling some petrolium based concoction

made from crude petrolium and called Nujoyl or something similar (I

am not going to take the time to find the correct spelling). Well,

John controlled the petrolium industry and out of that grew the

chemical and pharmacuetical industries.

>

> He had used corrupt politicians to help monopolize the oil industry

and to use as an influence in washington. When they decided to expand

into the drug and chemical business they had huge amounts of money to

spend and had powerfull local and national politicians to help them

for money.

>

> They revised the medical schools, the laws regulating and the

licensing of medicine, etc. with one fell swoop they wiped out almost

all of their economic competition. If you want to go to jail, rob one

guy with one gun. If you want to rob a country and go to the top of

society use a pen.

>

> Don't believe me? Do a little research. Find out for yourselves.

>

> (more later)

>

> Frank

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> Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger

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