Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Hi Margaret - This is a good place to start on the subject of hair loss: http://www.mercola.com/2003/apr/9/hair_science.htm Read down to Mercola's comments, and note the information on insulin and hair loss. I think this may be particularly relevant for older people whose nutritional intake is less than optimal. Cheers, Deb In a message dated 5/4/2004 7:12:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Molasses is regarded as a power food and supplies inositol. According to Adelle Davis a deficiency of inositol can cause hair loss, constipation, eczema and abnormalities of the eyes. Inositol is particularly concentrated in the lens of the eye and in the heart muscles. A hundred times more inositol than any other vitamin except niacin is found in the human body. Molasses is rich in iron and is a source of B6 and calcium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Well, why don't you just talk about those problems instead of alienating your colleagues with your rants? Don't you realize we're all thought these things out with our own conclusions? This is ridiculous listening to you attack everybody and every word. It's not very smart, Rachel. I've work with students all the time and you are just as much a " type " as everyone else. We all are. i've seen a dozens of students who sound just like you. And that's my reality listening to " highly intelligent " people who have it ALL figured out. Either tone it down, have the moderator turn you off or I'm out of here too. doug On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:17 AM, Chinese Medicine wrote: I have no problem with your carefully cultivated counter-cultural appearance. Personally, I don't care how unkempt you may or may not choose to be. And if you'll notice, I'm not " taking everyone on " . A number of people agree that there are serious problems plaguing the profession on a national basis. A lot more than those stating that everything's groovy, and that mystical forces will protect us from harm.... I'm not angry at anyone. It *is* frustrating when people are so hopelessly entrenched with their own, relatively uninformed world view that they refuse to consider what other people have learned through hours and hours of careful study and research. I'm not angry, I just can't believe how stubbornly some people cling to their lack of knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 -Sorry Doug. You'll be glad to know that I've embraced the True TCM faith. I will no longer question anything. What's YOUR conclusion re: standards and supervised practice? That we can ignore it all and the problems will disappear? You'll have to tell me what's politically correct to think since I'm no longer allowed to think for myself... Thanks Doug. -- In Chinese Medicine , douglas eisenstark <doug@t...> wrote: > > Well, why don't you just talk about those problems instead of > alienating your colleagues with your rants? > Don't you realize we're all thought these things out with our own > conclusions? > This is ridiculous listening to you attack everybody and every word. > It's not very smart, Rachel. > I've work with students all the time and you are just as much a > " type " as everyone else. We all are. > i've seen a dozens of students who sound just like you. And that's my > reality listening to " highly intelligent " people who have it ALL > figured out. > Either tone it down, have the moderator turn you off or I'm out of > here too. > doug > > > > On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:17 AM, > Chinese Medicine wrote: > > > I have no problem with your carefully cultivated counter-cultural > appearance. Personally, I don't care how unkempt you may or may not > choose to be. And if you'll notice, I'm not " taking everyone on " . A > number of people agree that there are serious problems plaguing the > profession on a national basis. A lot more than those stating that > everything's groovy, and that mystical forces will protect us from > harm.... > > I'm not angry at anyone. It *is* frustrating when people are so > hopelessly entrenched with their own, relatively uninformed world > view that they refuse to consider what other people have learned > through hours and hours of careful study and research. I'm not > angry, I just can't believe how stubbornly some people cling to > their lack of knowledge. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Doug, I can appreciate your statements but think that maybe we owe it to ourselves and our profession to listen to these problems and make attempts to correct them. It is not always easy to listen or read them and some have chosen to attack the messenger, also not a productive idea. We have a very small profession and one that requires all of us to unite, not divide. There are forces currently at work to dismantle or diminish what we have achieved as a profession over the years. Some of this has come from within at our own expense. CA has gone thru a lot and almost lost its Acu Bd and we have seen a decrease in work comp authority and participation. Money is being diverted from insurance and the govt to pay for expensive things. It is sad that we choose to attack those who bring the message. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > <doug >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Digest Number 1261 >Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:39:31 -0800 > >Well, why don't you just talk about those problems instead of >alienating your colleagues with your rants? >Don't you realize we're all thought these things out with our own >conclusions? >This is ridiculous listening to you attack everybody and every word. >It's not very smart, Rachel. >I've work with students all the time and you are just as much a > " type " as everyone else. We all are. >i've seen a dozens of students who sound just like you. And that's my >reality listening to " highly intelligent " people who have it ALL >figured out. >Either tone it down, have the moderator turn you off or I'm out of >here too. >doug > > > >On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:17 AM, >Chinese Medicine wrote: > > >I have no problem with your carefully cultivated counter-cultural >appearance. Personally, I don't care how unkempt you may or may not >choose to be. And if you'll notice, I'm not " taking everyone on " . A >number of people agree that there are serious problems plaguing the >profession on a national basis. A lot more than those stating that >everything's groovy, and that mystical forces will protect us from >harm.... > >I'm not angry at anyone. It *is* frustrating when people are so >hopelessly entrenched with their own, relatively uninformed world >view that they refuse to consider what other people have learned >through hours and hours of careful study and research. I'm not >angry, I just can't believe how stubbornly some people cling to >their lack of knowledge. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 That is the most enlightened, practical response. Thanks Mike. Good luck trying to convince them... Rachel the Messenger Chinese Medicine , " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1@h...> wrote: > > Doug, > I can appreciate your statements but think that maybe we owe it to ourselves > and our profession to listen to these problems and make attempts to correct > them. It is not always easy to listen or read them and some have chosen to > attack the messenger, also not a productive idea. We have a very small > profession and one that requires all of us to unite, not divide. There are > forces currently at work to dismantle or diminish what we have achieved as a > profession over the years. Some of this has come from within at our own > expense. CA has gone thru a lot and almost lost its Acu Bd and we have seen > a decrease in work comp authority and participation. Money is being > diverted from insurance and the govt to pay for expensive things. > > It is sad that we choose to attack those who bring the message. > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > > > <doug@t...> > >Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > >Re: Digest Number 1261 > >Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:39:31 -0800 > > > >Well, why don't you just talk about those problems instead of > >alienating your colleagues with your rants? > >Don't you realize we're all thought these things out with our own > >conclusions? > >This is ridiculous listening to you attack everybody and every word. > >It's not very smart, Rachel. > >I've work with students all the time and you are just as much a > > " type " as everyone else. We all are. > >i've seen a dozens of students who sound just like you. And that's my > >reality listening to " highly intelligent " people who have it ALL > >figured out. > >Either tone it down, have the moderator turn you off or I'm out of > >here too. > >doug > > > > > > > >On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:17 AM, > >Chinese Medicine wrote: > > > > > >I have no problem with your carefully cultivated counter-cultural > >appearance. Personally, I don't care how unkempt you may or may not > >choose to be. And if you'll notice, I'm not " taking everyone on " . A > >number of people agree that there are serious problems plaguing the > >profession on a national basis. A lot more than those stating that > >everything's groovy, and that mystical forces will protect us from > >harm.... > > > >I'm not angry at anyone. It *is* frustrating when people are so > >hopelessly entrenched with their own, relatively uninformed world > >view that they refuse to consider what other people have learned > >through hours and hours of careful study and research. I'm not > >angry, I just can't believe how stubbornly some people cling to > >their lack of knowledge. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Mike, A couple of things. I find, on one hand, a certain maturity in our profession is beginning when we are willing to discuss such essential, core issues as professionalism, standards, titles, or dress codes. On the other hand, since we are not doing this face to face, but on the internet, there is a tendency for the power of certain words to lead to upset, hurt, anger and emotions. I know from recent experience that it feels strange to be challenged or attacked by someone who doesn't have a clue of who I am or what I truly represent. It is a shame that Robert Hayden should have to spell out his credentials, and then withdraw, when he has been such a voice of clarity in the field for so long. Even though I have made a strong case for clear translation and terminology standards, this doesn't mean that I advocate a monolithic profession. I think our profession has many branches and approaches, and there needs to be universality in our diversity. We must learn to think in terms of complexity, seeing different sides of an issue, yin and yang. On one hand, increased quality of education and professionalism are important, but not at the expense of creativity, warmth, and a humanistic approach to medicine. It doesn't matter to me that in the PRC the practitioners of CM wear white coats, it matters to me how my own patients respond to me here in San Diego. Both approaches can coexist, depending on the environment in which the medicine is practiced, in the living room, in a tai qi class, or in a hospital. Chinese medicine and Western medicine have great differences, and great similarities. We need to be clear about both in our discussions. We need to learn from both tradition and modern approaches to medicine, but Chinese medicine is clearly rooted in philosophy and a mode of thinking based on systematic correspondence. That is our core, in my opinion, and we need to cleave to the principles of yin and yang, otherwise as Robert pointed out, we will be practicing biomedicine with needles and herbs. Perhaps some individuals have no problem with this. Fine, as long as one realizes that using Chinese technologies (needles and herbs) is not what Chinese medicine is truly about. Chinese medicine is a way of viewing nature and humanity, and applying principles to the cultivation of human health and treatment of disease. One can use any technology, herbs from around the world within this philosophy. We use the Chinese herbal methods and acupuncture/moxabustion because we have a long historical precedent to learn from, but we apply these methods to the modern era and modern societies. On Jan 22, 2006, at 8:28 AM, mike Bowser wrote: > Doug, > I can appreciate your statements but think that maybe we owe it to > ourselves > and our profession to listen to these problems and make attempts to > correct > them. It is not always easy to listen or read them and some have > chosen to > attack the messenger, also not a productive idea. We have a very > small > profession and one that requires all of us to unite, not divide. > There are > forces currently at work to dismantle or diminish what we have > achieved as a > profession over the years. Some of this has come from within at > our own > expense. CA has gone thru a lot and almost lost its Acu Bd and we > have seen > a decrease in work comp authority and participation. Money is being > diverted from insurance and the govt to pay for expensive things. > > It is sad that we choose to attack those who bring the message. > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > >> <doug >> Chinese Medicine >> Chinese Medicine >> Re: Digest Number 1261 >> Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:39:31 -0800 >> >> Well, why don't you just talk about those problems instead of >> alienating your colleagues with your rants? >> Don't you realize we're all thought these things out with our own >> conclusions? >> This is ridiculous listening to you attack everybody and every word. >> It's not very smart, Rachel. >> I've work with students all the time and you are just as much a >> " type " as everyone else. We all are. >> i've seen a dozens of students who sound just like you. And that's my >> reality listening to " highly intelligent " people who have it ALL >> figured out. >> Either tone it down, have the moderator turn you off or I'm out of >> here too. >> doug >> >> >> >> On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:17 AM, >> Chinese Medicine wrote: >> >> >> I have no problem with your carefully cultivated counter-cultural >> appearance. Personally, I don't care how unkempt you may or may not >> choose to be. And if you'll notice, I'm not " taking everyone on " . A >> number of people agree that there are serious problems plaguing the >> profession on a national basis. A lot more than those stating that >> everything's groovy, and that mystical forces will protect us from >> harm.... >> >> I'm not angry at anyone. It *is* frustrating when people are so >> hopelessly entrenched with their own, relatively uninformed world >> view that they refuse to consider what other people have learned >> through hours and hours of careful study and research. I'm not >> angry, I just can't believe how stubbornly some people cling to >> their lack of knowledge. >> > > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http:// > toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > http:// > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. 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Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Zev, I agree with you but this has been an interesting discussion of perceptions and experiences that are very real to the profession. I hope that someday we can put together a list of items to make the curricula even stronger w/o sacrifice. Take care. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " " <zrosenbe >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >CC: robert hayden <kampo36 >Re: Digest Number 1261 >Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:55:52 -0800 > >Mike, > A couple of things. > >I find, on one hand, a certain maturity in our profession is >beginning when we are willing to discuss such essential, core issues >as professionalism, standards, titles, or dress codes. On the other >hand, since we are not doing this face to face, but on the internet, >there is a tendency for the power of certain words to lead to upset, >hurt, anger and emotions. I know from recent experience that it >feels strange to be challenged or attacked by someone who doesn't >have a clue of who I am or what I truly represent. It is a shame >that Robert Hayden should have to spell out his credentials, and then >withdraw, when he has been such a voice of clarity in the field for >so long. > >Even though I have made a strong case for clear translation and >terminology standards, this doesn't mean that I advocate a monolithic >profession. I think our profession has many branches and approaches, >and there needs to be universality in our diversity. We must learn >to think in terms of complexity, seeing different sides of an issue, >yin and yang. On one hand, increased quality of education and >professionalism are important, but not at the expense of creativity, >warmth, and a humanistic approach to medicine. It doesn't matter to >me that in the PRC the practitioners of CM wear white coats, it >matters to me how my own patients respond to me here in San Diego. >Both approaches can coexist, depending on the environment in which >the medicine is practiced, in the living room, in a tai qi class, or >in a hospital. > >Chinese medicine and Western medicine have great differences, and >great similarities. We need to be clear about both in our >discussions. We need to learn from both tradition and modern >approaches to medicine, but Chinese medicine is clearly rooted in >philosophy and a mode of thinking based on systematic >correspondence. That is our core, in my opinion, and we need to >cleave to the principles of yin and yang, otherwise as Robert pointed >out, we will be practicing biomedicine with needles and herbs. >Perhaps some individuals have no problem with this. Fine, as long as >one realizes that using Chinese technologies (needles and herbs) is >not what Chinese medicine is truly about. Chinese medicine is a way >of viewing nature and humanity, and applying principles to the >cultivation of human health and treatment of disease. One can use >any technology, herbs from around the world within this philosophy. >We use the Chinese herbal methods and acupuncture/moxabustion because >we have a long historical precedent to learn from, but we apply these >methods to the modern era and modern societies. > > >On Jan 22, 2006, at 8:28 AM, mike Bowser wrote: > > > Doug, > > I can appreciate your statements but think that maybe we owe it to > > ourselves > > and our profession to listen to these problems and make attempts to > > correct > > them. It is not always easy to listen or read them and some have > > chosen to > > attack the messenger, also not a productive idea. We have a very > > small > > profession and one that requires all of us to unite, not divide. > > There are > > forces currently at work to dismantle or diminish what we have > > achieved as a > > profession over the years. Some of this has come from within at > > our own > > expense. CA has gone thru a lot and almost lost its Acu Bd and we > > have seen > > a decrease in work comp authority and participation. Money is being > > diverted from insurance and the govt to pay for expensive things. > > > > It is sad that we choose to attack those who bring the message. > > > > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > > > > > > > >> <doug > >> Chinese Medicine > >> Chinese Medicine > >> Re: Digest Number 1261 > >> Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:39:31 -0800 > >> > >> Well, why don't you just talk about those problems instead of > >> alienating your colleagues with your rants? > >> Don't you realize we're all thought these things out with our own > >> conclusions? > >> This is ridiculous listening to you attack everybody and every word. > >> It's not very smart, Rachel. > >> I've work with students all the time and you are just as much a > >> " type " as everyone else. We all are. > >> i've seen a dozens of students who sound just like you. And that's my > >> reality listening to " highly intelligent " people who have it ALL > >> figured out. > >> Either tone it down, have the moderator turn you off or I'm out of > >> here too. > >> doug > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:17 AM, > >> Chinese Medicine wrote: > >> > >> > >> I have no problem with your carefully cultivated counter-cultural > >> appearance. Personally, I don't care how unkempt you may or may not > >> choose to be. And if you'll notice, I'm not " taking everyone on " . A > >> number of people agree that there are serious problems plaguing the > >> profession on a national basis. A lot more than those stating that > >> everything's groovy, and that mystical forces will protect us from > >> harm.... > >> > >> I'm not angry at anyone. It *is* frustrating when people are so > >> hopelessly entrenched with their own, relatively uninformed world > >> view that they refuse to consider what other people have learned > >> through hours and hours of careful study and research. I'm not > >> angry, I just can't believe how stubbornly some people cling to > >> their lack of knowledge. > >> > > > > > > > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http:// > > toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > http:// > > and adjust > > accordingly. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > > the group requires prior permission from the author. > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > > absolutely necessary. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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