[MedicalConspiracies] More About the Bird Flu

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Personally I have no fear of the disease at all---but what will be done in its name. Also how with the massive vaccination programs--what will we be laying ourselves open to? And if you don't allow it off to summer camp you go. If you check government sites and plans---that should be enough to scare the heck out of you---never mind any disease. The disease is NOT the point here. It is the bringing on of marshall law and complete loss of freedoms. Anyone who doesn't see that by now should really shake the sand out of their ears and eyes. This is not a preventive measure IT"S A PLAN.chantal <chantalh wrote: More About the Bird Flu From Dr Hulda

Clark When I wrote about the bird flu and made reference to the Spanish flu of 1918, I caused a landslide of reactions from my readers. I received many articles avian flu and related subjects and it ranged from the wildest conspiracy theories to seemingly sound information. I will make a few comments here without claiming to know the truth or have a firm opinion on any of it. Arguments made against the bird flu scare and the Spanish flu connection: No one knows what the Spanish flu was because at the time viruses were not detectable. That was done many years later and no one can be certain whether what was found to be the cause of the Spanish flu many years later was the correct cause. At the end of WWI, for the first time multiple vaccinations of all sorts were carried out and the Spanish flu appeared in many different places on the planet pretty much around that time and especially in young and sturdy men,

which is rather strange (but that was the group that was mainly vaccinated). Even the British Medical Journal mentions it is the only ever known flu pandemic which was specific to young people (http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/ short/332/7544/786?etoc). Tests on humans to try and pass the Spanish flu from one person to another failed. The cases of people who so far have died from avian flu may have had the virus in them but there is no proof that that virus caused their death. The presence of a virus does not prove it caused a condition. If the same virus is present in all similar cases of symptoms, then we can infer that the virus has something to do with the condition but it is not sure and the process to prove it is not easy. Some viruses are present in many people. For example, certain Herpes viruses are found in over 90% of everyone. If you tested random people dying from,

say, lung cancer, you would find that virus in most of them. Concluding that is the cause of the condition would be wrong in this case. In the avian flu there have been very few cases and there has been little research so far. There have been many "super bug" scares in the past decades, but none of them have led anywhere. The chance of exactly this avian flu virus to turn into a super bug is small. The accompanying bacterial infections which are usually the imminent cause of death in a viral infection, can nowadays be treated with antibiotics. That was not the case in 1918. A lot more arguments are made but I want to leave some of the work up to you. Here are a few websites that give background on the avian flu. They do not all have the same focus and my citing them here does not mean I agree with any or all they say, but I have at least found them interesting and those who have been reading my e-zine are well aware that I'm generally

critical of the system. Michael Fumento says we are being Chicken Little, thinking the sky will fall on our heads, if we go for the avian flu scare. Well researched and referenced: http://www.fumento.com/disease/flu2005.html. Dr. Len Horowitz has his own theories about population control and such. I am not sure I quite agree, but his comparison of the avian flu with the other scares we have seen in the past few years, including SARS (remember?), West Nile Virus and such, is quite revealing: http://educate-yourself .org/cn/lenhorowitzdebunksavianfluhysteria11oct05.shtml. This website by Hans Tolzin is unfortunately only in German but has the best background information about the Spanish flu: http://www.impf-report.de/. The magazine Nature has put together a

series of articles about the Spanish flu and the avian flu. They are scientific but mainstream: http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/1918flu/index .html.

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You know I have raised a lot of chickens so has one of my sons...they got the flu or get sick and act puney and then later they all die....also there is shots....but never has any body gotton sick...this is stupid in my opinion....as far as the goverment yelp they got big plans can look at new orleans and see some of what they do....it's not good....brendaBea Bernhausen <beabernhausen wrote: Personally I have no fear of the disease at all---but what will be done in its name. Also how with the massive vaccination programs--what will we be laying ourselves open to? And if you don't allow it off to summer camp you go. If you check government sites and plans---that should be enough to scare the heck out of you---never mind any disease. The disease is NOT the point here. It is the bringing on of

marshall law and complete loss of freedoms. Anyone who doesn't see that by now should really shake the sand out of their ears and eyes. This is not a preventive measure IT"S A PLAN.chantal <chantalh wrote: More About the Bird Flu From Dr Hulda Clark When I wrote about the bird flu and made reference to the Spanish flu of 1918, I caused a landslide of reactions from my readers. I received many articles avian flu and related subjects and it ranged from the wildest conspiracy theories to seemingly sound information. I will make a few comments here without claiming to know the truth or have a firm opinion on any of it. Arguments made against the bird flu scare and the Spanish flu connection: No one knows what the Spanish flu was because at the time viruses were not detectable. That was done many years later and no one can be certain whether what was found to be the cause of the Spanish flu many years later was the correct cause. At the end of WWI, for the first time multiple vaccinations of all sorts were carried out and the Spanish flu appeared in many different places on the planet pretty much around that time and especially in young and sturdy men, which is rather strange (but that was the group that was mainly vaccinated). Even the British Medical Journal mentions it is the only ever known flu pandemic which was specific to young people (http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/ short/332/7544/786?etoc). Tests on humans to try and pass the Spanish flu from one person to another

failed. The cases of people who so far have died from avian flu may have had the virus in them but there is no proof that that virus caused their death. The presence of a virus does not prove it caused a condition. If the same virus is present in all similar cases of symptoms, then we can infer that the virus has something to do with the condition but it is not sure and the process to prove it is not easy. Some viruses are present in many people. For example, certain Herpes viruses are found in over 90% of everyone. If you tested random people dying from, say, lung cancer, you would find that virus in most of them. Concluding that is the cause of the condition would be wrong in this case. In the avian flu there have been very few cases and there has been little research so far. There have been many "super bug" scares in the past decades, but none of them have led anywhere. The chance of exactly this avian flu virus to turn into a super bug is small. The

accompanying bacterial infections which are usually the imminent cause of death in a viral infection, can nowadays be treated with antibiotics. That was not the case in 1918. A lot more arguments are made but I want to leave some of the work up to you. Here are a few websites that give background on the avian flu. They do not all have the same focus and my citing them here does not mean I agree with any or all they say, but I have at least found them interesting and those who have been reading my e-zine are well aware that I'm generally critical of the system. Michael Fumento says we are being Chicken Little, thinking the sky will fall on our heads, if we go for the avian flu scare. Well researched and referenced: http://www.fumento.com/disease/flu2005.html. Dr. Len Horowitz has his own theories about population control and such. I am not sure I quite agree, but his comparison

of the avian flu with the other scares we have seen in the past few years, including SARS (remember?), West Nile Virus and such, is quite revealing: http://educate-yourself .org/cn/lenhorowitzdebunksavianfluhysteria11oct05.shtml. This website by Hans Tolzin is unfortunately only in German but has the best background information about the Spanish flu: http://www.impf-report.de/. The magazine Nature has put together a series of articles about the Spanish flu and the avian flu. They are scientific but mainstream: http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/1918flu/index .html. Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

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I agree 100% Bea. Scare the hell out of people and they will let you do anything you want. Trying to wake people up and in reality many are beginning to realize its all bullcrap. Of course there are the people who believe everything CNN spouts off or any other news agency for that matter. We also have chickens and have had for years. No problems either. No vaccines or any of that stuff for me. Thanks but no thanks. Am thankful I'm living in the mountains. lynn Bea Bernhausen <beabernhausen wrote: Personally I have no fear of the disease at all---but what will be done in its name. Also how with the massive vaccination programs--what will we be laying ourselves open to? And if you don't allow it off to summer camp you go. If you check government sites and plans---that should be enough to scare the heck out of you---never mind any disease. The disease is NOT the point here. It is the bringing on of marshall law and complete loss of freedoms. Anyone who doesn't see that by now should really shake the sand out of their ears and eyes. This is not a preventive measure IT"S A PLAN.chantal <chantalh wrote: More About the Bird Flu From Dr

Hulda Clark When I wrote about the bird flu and made reference to the Spanish flu of 1918, I caused a landslide of reactions from my readers. I received many articles avian flu and related subjects and it ranged from the wildest conspiracy theories to seemingly sound information. I will make a few comments here without claiming to know the truth or have a firm opinion on any of it. Arguments made against the bird flu scare and the Spanish flu connection: No one knows what the Spanish flu was because at the time viruses were not detectable. That was done many years later and no one can be certain whether what was found to be the cause of the Spanish flu many years later was the correct cause. At the end of WWI, for the first time multiple vaccinations of all sorts were carried out and the Spanish flu appeared in many different places on the planet pretty much around that time and especially in young and

sturdy men, which is rather strange (but that was the group that was mainly vaccinated). Even the British Medical Journal mentions it is the only ever known flu pandemic which was specific to young people (http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/ short/332/7544/786?etoc). Tests on humans to try and pass the Spanish flu from one person to another failed. The cases of people who so far have died from avian flu may have had the virus in them but there is no proof that that virus caused their death. The presence of a virus does not prove it caused a condition. If the same virus is present in all similar cases of symptoms, then we can infer that the virus has something to do with the condition but it is not sure and the process to prove it is not easy. Some viruses are present in many people. For example, certain Herpes viruses are found in over 90% of everyone. If you tested random people

dying from, say, lung cancer, you would find that virus in most of them. Concluding that is the cause of the condition would be wrong in this case. In the avian flu there have been very few cases and there has been little research so far. There have been many "super bug" scares in the past decades, but none of them have led anywhere. The chance of exactly this avian flu virus to turn into a super bug is small. The accompanying bacterial infections which are usually the imminent cause of death in a viral infection, can nowadays be treated with antibiotics. That was not the case in 1918. A lot more arguments are made but I want to leave some of the work up to you. Here are a few websites that give background on the avian flu. They do not all have the same focus and my citing them here does not mean I agree with any or all they say, but I have at least found them interesting and those who have been reading my e-zine are well aware that I'm

generally critical of the system. Michael Fumento says we are being Chicken Little, thinking the sky will fall on our heads, if we go for the avian flu scare. Well researched and referenced: http://www.fumento.com/disease/flu2005.html. Dr. Len Horowitz has his own theories about population control and such. I am not sure I quite agree, but his comparison of the avian flu with the other scares we have seen in the past few years, including SARS (remember?), West Nile Virus and such, is quite revealing: http://educate-yourself .org/cn/lenhorowitzdebunksavianfluhysteria11oct05.shtml. This website by Hans Tolzin is unfortunately only in German but has the best background information about the Spanish flu: http://www.impf-report.de/. The magazine Nature has put

together a series of articles about the Spanish flu and the avian flu. They are scientific but mainstream: http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/1918flu/index .html. Always in the service of our Father. Brenda Joyce How low

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I have 50 chicks down in my basement under

a light right now.  After having them for 3 weeks, I feel like I am mama hen. 

Two have died for whatever, but, they all appear to be very healthy.  And,

then, I am very healthy—well as far as I know I am.  There ain’t

nobody touching my babies.  And, if they are going to be going about doing all

this crap, I will have just incubate eggs myself rather than going on record

ordering chicks.  They use anything in order to get to us.  Only thing I am “afraid”

of is them.  And what I might do were they to intrude into my working out of my

own personal vision, which includes NOT intruding on anybody else. 

 

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I agree 100% Bea. Scare the

hell out of people and they will let you do anything you want. Trying to

wake people up and in reality many are beginning to realize its all

bullcrap. Of course there are the people who believe everything CNN

spouts off or any other news agency for that matter. We also have

chickens and have had for years. No problems either.

 

 

No vaccines or any of that stuff for

me. Thanks but no thanks. Am thankful I'm living in the mountains.

 

 

lynn

 

 

 

Bea

Bernhausen <beabernhausen

wrote:

 

 

 

Personally I have no fear of the disease at all---but what will be done

in its name. Also how with the massive vaccination programs--what will we be

laying ourselves open to? And if you don't allow it off to summer camp you go.

 

 

If you check government sites and plans---that should be enough to

scare the heck out of you---never mind any disease. The disease is NOT the

point here. It is the bringing on of marshall law and complete loss of freedoms.

Anyone who doesn't see that by now should really shake the sand out of their

ears and eyes. This is not a preventive measure IT " S A PLAN.

 

chantal

<chantalh wrote:

 

 

 

More About the Bird Flu

 

 

From Dr Hulda Clark

 

 

When I wrote about the bird flu and made reference to the Spanish flu

of 1918, I caused a landslide of reactions from my readers. I received many

articles avian flu and related subjects and it ranged from the wildest

conspiracy theories to seemingly sound information. I will make a few comments

here without claiming to know the truth or have a firm opinion on any of it.

 

Arguments made against the bird flu scare and the Spanish flu

connection:

 

No one knows what the Spanish flu was because at

the time viruses were not detectable. That was done many years later and

no one can be certain whether what was found to be the cause of the

Spanish flu many years later was the correct cause.

At the end of WWI, for the first time multiple

vaccinations of all sorts were carried out and the Spanish flu appeared in

many different places on the planet pretty much around that time and

especially in young and sturdy men, which is rather strange (but that was

the group that was mainly vaccinated). Even the British Medical Journal

mentions it is the only ever known flu pandemic which was specific to

young people (http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/

short/332/7544/786?etoc).

Tests on humans to try and pass the Spanish flu

from one person to another failed.

The cases of people who so far have died from

avian flu may have had the virus in them but there is no proof that that

virus caused their death. The presence of a virus does not prove it caused

a condition. If the same virus is present in all similar cases of

symptoms, then we can infer that the virus has something to do with the

condition but it is not sure and the process to prove it is not easy. Some

viruses are present in many people. For example, certain Herpes viruses

are found in over 90% of everyone. If you tested random people dying from,

say, lung cancer, you would find that virus in most of them. Concluding

that is the cause of the condition would be wrong in this case. In the avian

flu there have been very few cases and there has been little research so

far.

There have been many " super bug " scares

in the past decades, but none of them have led anywhere. The chance of

exactly this avian flu virus to turn into a super bug is small.

The accompanying bacterial infections which are

usually the imminent cause of death in a viral infection, can nowadays be

treated with antibiotics. That was not the case in 1918.

 

 

A lot more arguments are made but I want to leave some of the work up

to you.

 

Here are a few websites that give background on the avian flu. They do

not all have the same focus and my citing them here does not mean I agree with

any or all they say, but I have at least found them interesting and those who

have been reading my e-zine are well aware that I'm generally critical of the

system.

 

Michael Fumento says we are being Chicken Little, thinking the sky will

fall on our heads, if we go for the avian flu scare. Well researched and

referenced: http://www.fumento.com/disease/flu2005.html.

 

 

Dr. Len Horowitz has his own theories about population control and

such. I am not sure I quite agree, but his comparison of the avian flu with the

other scares we have seen in the past few years, including SARS (remember?),

West Nile Virus and such, is quite revealing: http://educate-yourself

..org/cn/lenhorowitzdebunksavianfluhysteria11oct05.shtml.

 

This website by Hans Tolzin is unfortunately only in German but has the

best background information about the Spanish flu: http://www.impf-report.de/.

 

The magazine Nature has put together a series of articles about the

Spanish flu and the avian flu. They are scientific but mainstream: http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/1918flu/index

..html.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Always in the service of our Father. Brenda Joyce

 

 

 

 

 

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call rates.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lynn