on getting over a loss/ words of wisdom from mama jag

March 16, 2006

I hightly recommend that you read embraced by the light by Betty Eadie...

it doesnt cost much. www.embracedbythelight.com

all will come into focus.

everything happens for a reason.

it was in both of your life charts planned before you even incarnated on

earth. and yes... planned by YOU ansd HER and all the others who have come

and gone through your life.. no doubt including ME.

sure some sadness comes into everyone's life. it is unavoidable. but each

life is too short to sit around and let yourself be totally depressed about

past events. after a reasonable mourning period to be respectable there is

nothing wrong with having a happy life!

Ive had loads of things I could be bummed about (which I will spare you the

morbid details) but I simply choose to be happy, and enjoy what time I have

left on earth no matter what is going on with the government or ecology or

anything else that I dont have any control over.

happiness is a CHOICE.

now stop beating yourself up and feeling guilty... depression stems from

guilt.

allow yourself to be happy and enjoy life and dont feel guilty for doing so.

-

" Joseph Toman " <joseph_toman

Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:31 PM

Re: Re: feeding animals to animals

> Thank you for your understanding. I did alternative

> treatments and then it was too late.

>

> Most just think I am looking for pity. I am not. I

> know I did what I could but one still feels bad when

> the one you love dies in your arms, and you see their

> last dying breath. Not sure how to deal with it even

> yet. Life is a tradgedy,(sp) we all live through it

> for our learning. I don't even want to watch movies

> of those that have lost their children or spouses.

> But then, that is just me, I guess. Just watched

> 'WALK the LINE', and I can certainly relate.

> Especially in the beginning as a kid.

>

> Need to go in tomorrow and get put under and I don't

> have good feelings about it. But perhaps my next life

> I can be a mountain mover. This time it sucks.

>

> Sorry to all you that just want good feelings.

>

> --- Shiree1000 wrote:

>

>> Joe,

>>

>> I'm sure you wish you could have talked her into an

>> alternative treatment,

>> but some people just can't be...try not to beat

>> yourself up on it. Too many

>> trust their Dr's and are loyal to them..even when

>> those Dr's don't give them

>> any options...they give them chemo and or

>> radiation..no other choices..and

>> insurance companies don't either. I wish we all

>> could find a good naturopathic

>> Dr. and afford one, but they are getting really hard

>> to find, even if one could

>> afford it or just took the money somehow to do it.

>> I'm sorry about your

>> wife...it's sad. My dad died from a cancer also and

>> never was told he even had it

>> for 6 years!

>>

>> Lor

>>

>> > Lor, how much I understand. My wife died

>> needlessly

>> > because of cancer. After ten years. I still have

>> a

>> > guilt complex. I really should have forced her.

>> No

>> > one could feel as bad as me...

>> >

>>

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March 16, 2006

a reasonable mourning period - that is acceptable.

TO WHO and how much. My grief needs to be acceptable

to society, I think not! Before I die, I would say we

all need to walk in the other man's shows before we

give some verdict.

Sorry, I know you want to help but I think I am beyond

that. I am beginning to like my depression and guilt.

Now what? Only death can clean this slate.

Depressing - you bet. Wrong, I don't think so. HEALTH

AND HEALING. Good purposes. Guess one needs to CARE,

I have cared too much...And can't do a damn thing

about anything

Just an idiot. I guess.

--- SHARON JAGGER <sharonjagger wrote:

> I hightly recommend that you read embraced by the

> light by Betty Eadie...

> it doesnt cost much. www.embracedbythelight.com

> all will come into focus.

> everything happens for a reason.

> it was in both of your life charts planned before

> you even incarnated on

> earth. and yes... planned by YOU ansd HER and all

> the others who have come

> and gone through your life.. no doubt including ME.

> sure some sadness comes into everyone's life. it is

> unavoidable. but each

> life is too short to sit around and let yourself be

> totally depressed about

> past events. after a reasonable mourning period to

> be respectable there is

> nothing wrong with having a happy life!

> Ive had loads of things I could be bummed about

> (which I will spare you the

> morbid details) but I simply choose to be happy, and

> enjoy what time I have

> left on earth no matter what is going on with the

> government or ecology or

> anything else that I dont have any control over.

> happiness is a CHOICE.

> now stop beating yourself up and feeling guilty...

> depression stems from

> guilt.

> allow yourself to be happy and enjoy life and dont

> feel guilty for doing so.

>

> -

> " Joseph Toman " <joseph_toman

>

> Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:31 PM

> Re: Re: feeding

> animals to animals

>

> > Thank you for your understanding. I did

> alternative

> > treatments and then it was too late.

> >

> > Most just think I am looking for pity. I am not.

> I

> > know I did what I could but one still feels bad

> when

> > the one you love dies in your arms, and you see

> their

> > last dying breath. Not sure how to deal with it

> even

> > yet. Life is a tradgedy,(sp) we all live through

> it

> > for our learning. I don't even want to watch

> movies

> > of those that have lost their children or spouses.

> > But then, that is just me, I guess. Just watched

> > 'WALK the LINE', and I can certainly relate.

> > Especially in the beginning as a kid.

> >

> > Need to go in tomorrow and get put under and I

> don't

> > have good feelings about it. But perhaps my next

> life

> > I can be a mountain mover. This time it sucks.

> >

> > Sorry to all you that just want good feelings.

> >

> > --- Shiree1000 wrote:

> >

> >> Joe,

> >>

> >> I'm sure you wish you could have talked her into

> an

> >> alternative treatment,

> >> but some people just can't be...try not to beat

> >> yourself up on it. Too many

> >> trust their Dr's and are loyal to them..even when

> >> those Dr's don't give them

> >> any options...they give them chemo and or

> >> radiation..no other choices..and

> >> insurance companies don't either. I wish we all

> >> could find a good naturopathic

> >> Dr. and afford one, but they are getting really

> hard

> >> to find, even if one could

> >> afford it or just took the money somehow to do

> it.

> >> I'm sorry about your

> >> wife...it's sad. My dad died from a cancer also

> and

> >> never was told he even had it

> >> for 6 years!

> >>

> >> Lor

> >>

> >> > Lor, how much I understand. My wife died

> >> needlessly

> >> > because of cancer. After ten years. I still

> have

> >> a

> >> > guilt complex. I really should have forced

> her.

> >> No

> >> > one could feel as bad as me...

> >> >

> >>

> >

>

> >

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March 17, 2006

the key word here is reasonable...

I have no idea how long it has been since your wife's death so I cant judge

or advise you until I know that, however

its not so much that the time of mourning has to be acceptable to society,

but there IS a point at which it ceases to be normal and starts going into a

state of mental illness and chronic depression. For instance I know a person

who's 16 year old daughter fell over dead about 5 years ago and she is still

majorly depressed and on medication! everyone I know think that is a little

too long to be called normal. Of course you will always have memories,

always have times when you feel sad about it, but gradually you SHOULD start

having more and more days when you aren't bummed and dwelling on it, and

more days when you can be happy.

to actually LIKE being depressed about it doesnt sound like a good thing to

ME. I guess if you want to spend the rest of your life being miserable then

that is your perogative, but people who are constantly negative not only can

cause their own health to fail, but they also can effect the vibe of

everyone around them! I have even been fired from a job because of constant

negativity ( after one of my own bouts with depression after one of my own

tragedies in my life) when you choose that then you have no right to whine

about it and you have no right to go around taking it out on others or to

constantly be so negative. at that point it sends out a vibe to everyone

around you and brings everyone else down. thus the proverbial " wet blanket "

comes to mind.

since pills like prozac are not good for a person either then I think maybe

you should look into some herbal remedies for depression.

and as forrest gump would say..

that is all I have to say about that

jag

-

" Joseph Toman " <joseph_toman

Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:47 PM

Re: on getting over a loss/ words of wisdom

from mama jag

>a reasonable mourning period - that is acceptable.

>

> TO WHO and how much. My grief needs to be acceptable

> to society, I think not! Before I die, I would say we

> all need to walk in the other man's shows before we

> give some verdict.

>

> Sorry, I know you want to help but I think I am beyond

> that. I am beginning to like my depression and guilt.

> Now what? Only death can clean this slate.

> Depressing - you bet. Wrong, I don't think so. HEALTH

> AND HEALING. Good purposes. Guess one needs to CARE,

> I have cared too much...And can't do a damn thing

> about anything

>

> Just an idiot. I guess.

>

> --- SHARON JAGGER <sharonjagger wrote:

>

>> I hightly recommend that you read embraced by the

>> light by Betty Eadie...

>> it doesnt cost much. www.embracedbythelight.com

>> all will come into focus.

>> everything happens for a reason.

>> it was in both of your life charts planned before

>> you even incarnated on

>> earth. and yes... planned by YOU ansd HER and all

>> the others who have come

>> and gone through your life.. no doubt including ME.

>> sure some sadness comes into everyone's life. it is

>> unavoidable. but each

>> life is too short to sit around and let yourself be

>> totally depressed about

>> past events. after a reasonable mourning period to

>> be respectable there is

>> nothing wrong with having a happy life!

>> Ive had loads of things I could be bummed about

>> (which I will spare you the

>> morbid details) but I simply choose to be happy, and

>> enjoy what time I have

>> left on earth no matter what is going on with the

>> government or ecology or

>> anything else that I dont have any control over.

>> happiness is a CHOICE.

>> now stop beating yourself up and feeling guilty...

>> depression stems from

>> guilt.

>> allow yourself to be happy and enjoy life and dont

>> feel guilty for doing so.

>>

>> -

>> " Joseph Toman " <joseph_toman

>>

>> Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:31 PM

>> Re: Re: feeding

>> animals to animals

>>

>> > Thank you for your understanding. I did

>> alternative

>> > treatments and then it was too late.

>> >

>> > Most just think I am looking for pity. I am not.

>> I

>> > know I did what I could but one still feels bad

>> when

>> > the one you love dies in your arms, and you see

>> their

>> > last dying breath. Not sure how to deal with it

>> even

>> > yet. Life is a tradgedy,(sp) we all live through

>> it

>> > for our learning. I don't even want to watch

>> movies

>> > of those that have lost their children or spouses.

>> > But then, that is just me, I guess. Just watched

>> > 'WALK the LINE', and I can certainly relate.

>> > Especially in the beginning as a kid.

>> >

>> > Need to go in tomorrow and get put under and I

>> don't

>> > have good feelings about it. But perhaps my next

>> life

>> > I can be a mountain mover. This time it sucks.

>> >

>> > Sorry to all you that just want good feelings.

>> >

>> > --- Shiree1000 wrote:

>> >

>> >> Joe,

>> >>

>> >> I'm sure you wish you could have talked her into

>> an

>> >> alternative treatment,

>> >> but some people just can't be...try not to beat

>> >> yourself up on it. Too many

>> >> trust their Dr's and are loyal to them..even when

>> >> those Dr's don't give them

>> >> any options...they give them chemo and or

>> >> radiation..no other choices..and

>> >> insurance companies don't either. I wish we all

>> >> could find a good naturopathic

>> >> Dr. and afford one, but they are getting really

>> hard

>> >> to find, even if one could

>> >> afford it or just took the money somehow to do

>> it.

>> >> I'm sorry about your

>> >> wife...it's sad. My dad died from a cancer also

>> and

>> >> never was told he even had it

>> >> for 6 years!

>> >>

>> >> Lor

>> >>

>> >> > Lor, how much I understand. My wife died

>> >> needlessly

>> >> > because of cancer. After ten years. I still

>> have

>> >> a

>> >> > guilt complex. I really should have forced

>> her.

>> >> No

>> >> > one could feel as bad as me...

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >

>>

>

>> >

>> > ï¿½ - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH

>> CONSPIRACIES! ï¿½

>> >

>> > Subscribe:.........

>> -

>> >

>>

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>> >

>> > New Sister Group:

>> >

>> > MedicalConspiracies

>> >

>> > Subscribe:

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>> > Post message: MedicalConspiracies

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>> MedicalConspiracies-owner

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>> only, it may be news

>> > related, purely speculation or someone's opinion.

>> Always consult with a

>> > qualified health practitioner before deciding on

>> any course of treatment,

>> > especially for serious or life-threatening

>> illnesses.

>> > **COPYRIGHT NOTICE**

>> > In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107,

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>> distributed under fair use without

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>> prior interest in

>> > receiving the included information for non-profit

>> research and educational

>> > purposes only.

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>> >

March 17, 2006

>5 years ago and she is still majorly depressed and on medication! everyone

>I know think that is a little too long to be called normal.

5 years after the loss of a spouse or child is VERY normal. Obviously, you have never experienced such a loss.

Claudia

March 19, 2006

does having your child kidnapped and never seeing her again count? if so then yes I certainly have!

pfft

-

Claudia

Friday, March 17, 2006 3:29 PM

Re: on getting over a loss/ words of wisdom from mama jag

>5 years ago and she is still majorly depressed and on medication! everyone

>I know think that is a little too long to be called normal.

5 years after the loss of a spouse or child is VERY normal. Obviously, you have never experienced such a loss.

Claudia

March 20, 2006

-

>5 years ago and she is still majorly depressed and on medication! everyone

>I know think that is a little too long to be called normal.

===========================================================

You know, there is an entire list dedicated to the improper use and destructive properties of these antidepressant medications.

Dr. Braverman has several books out on the different Neurotransmitters, and how one can use certain tests (question and answer type) to decide how the brain is functioning, to determine which neurotransmitters are not working right. For instance, most doctors say "You're depressed, Let's try Prozac", not realizing that Serotonin levels may be functioning fine, but GABA levels are off, and person is not sleeping well, causing depression. When these tests are taken (in the book THE EDGE EFFECT by Dr. Braverman) one can readily see which neurotransmitters are off, and which ones are working fine, and then Naturally work on raising the ones needing raising (hopefully using natural products rather than chemicals) and then retest to make sure things are working better in a few weeks. http://pathmed.organicframework.com/

These SSRI drugs have kids everywhere jumping off bridges, and other means of ending their torment, as these chemical drugs are dangerous! So, my point is, after 5 years, if on these drugs, and not seeing positive results, there's something that isn't right, and it won't help to keep doing something that isn't working.....longer!

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