Lorazepam and Propranolol/angel

[Guest guest]

hi angel,

well, you got that off your chest hey!! i know it is a hard thing,

i have this anxiety for 20 years now. i know what it is and what it

feels like. i do not have the symphtoms you are discribing. i have

panic feelings. i got lorazepam for my street fear. propanolol

(inderal) is a betta locker. it gives the heart a slower response

to things around you. it is used for all sorts of things, like high

pressure. i'm trying to find out a way to switch to a natural way

without the addictive side affects. i'm sure i will find something,

but it willtake time and patience, i know all about that! (O;

anxiety is different for everyone, that makes it so difficult to

understand, also for doctors. take care, rik

[Guest guest]

Rik,

You need to get Doc's tape number 1, you need to start thinking about a total cleanse, number 2, number 3 the nerve sedative formula in the files under Dr. Ian Shillington would be good... but I think you need to give Doc a call after you hear his tape....

SuziRik <bliksemskater wrote:

hi angel,well, you got that off your chest hey!! i know it is a hard thing, i have this anxiety for 20 years now. i know what it is and what it feels like. i do not have the symphtoms you are discribing. i have panic feelings. i got lorazepam for my street fear. propanolol (inderal) is a betta locker. it gives the heart a slower response to things around you. it is used for all sorts of things, like high pressure. i'm trying to find out a way to switch to a natural way without the addictive side affects. i'm sure i will find something, but it willtake time and patience, i know all about that! (O; anxiety is different for everyone, that makes it so difficult to understand, also for doctors. take care, rik

[Guest guest]

hi,

i'm not sure how i got it,but it might be from my alcohol abuse. at

the time i had just emigrated to the usa(alone) and i was very

young. got married and was very lonely for not seeing my friends and

family. one day i walked on the streetand passed out in a panic

attack. was brought to the firts aid and they did all sorts of

tests............. anxiety. i thought i had a heart attack! a year

later i moved back to amsterdam, the netherlands where i am from.

over the years it turned into a fobia. couldn't get out of my

house!! this was a very difficult time in my life. had to use a

sort of valium to make things a little better. i usually got

hammered to get out, feel free and comfotable. this is a very bad

way, because it will be twice as bad the next day(S)when i got the

medicines i got better and better......but i still have it. rik

 

 

herbal remedies , " Anjeweleyes "

<anjewelhaze@k...> wrote:

> Dearest Rik,

> So sorry for the misunderstanding. (Dang, all that typing and

pouring my heart out for nothing! lol)

>

> Now, see...I know nothing about fear panic.

> I know of two ladies that can't leave the house because they are

scared too death of....they don't actually know what. One admitted

to being scared she would kill someone, but I guess that's a

different story also. And, neither of them will explain or go into

detail...they are just scared. When ever I've been to either's house

they are absolutely normal as can be...they just don't even go out

to the back yard. Well, one will check her mail, but it's right

there on the front porch.

> I've never had any experience with this type of thing...but, I

have a spider phobia. And, I know that's not the same thing, but

it's as close as I can get...

> Would you mind, just for my own benefit if nothing else, to

elaborate on this stuff? I have always been fascinated with things I

don't understand. If you'd rather not, so be it then. I can do a

search on the web or research on my own, but it's been my experience

that it's nothing like coming from the horse's mouth, if you know

what I mean...

> I'm not a doctor or ND or nothing of the kind. My opinions,

advice, what ever you would like to call it comes from cold hard

first hand experience, watching my family go through it or deep,

hard research on my own...never settling for the surface stuff. I am

just interested in this and have often wondered how people could

survive something like this. I guess it really bothered me when I

was labeled anti-social. I am anything but...but, I am also

opinionated.

> And, who knows, if you feel comfortable enough posting about this,

maybe some one here will have some ideas for you.

> You said you have lorazepam for street fear...what about the

streets are you afraid of? Has something happened to make you

afraid? I know it's not a road, but maybe what happens in the

streets...I'm guessing here again...

> And, I was surely hoping that you knew what the stuff was, I just

posted the info for the rest of the folks on here.

> And, the more detailed you are with things the more exact help

you'll get. See how I just automatically took it that you were

asking about stress anxiety and temper control? Fear never crossed

my mind.

> I may not be able to help, but I sure would like to learn more

about this stuff from you.

> Thanks,

> Angel

[Guest guest]

Good Morning...

I am not meaning to avoid this post. Thanks for posting it.

I just am at a loss for anything to say.

I am way, way on the opposite end. I go out in public, don't really care for alot I see these days, but I'll be damned if these idiots are going to control me or intimidate me. And, until they start paying my bills and buying me pretty things I want (I'm real expensive, ask my honey) they can just all go play with theirselves if they don't like me.

I used to be so bashful because of my weight. I was convinced that no one, not one person would have any use for me because of how I looked. It was very lonely and I stayed pretty well depressed for most of my teens and early twenties.

Now, I love to go dancing. There just isn't anything better in my book. But, I have never been able to walk into a dance hall or bar, what have you, sober. Even coming as far with my nasty attitude about the public as I have, I still can not dance until I get to feeling pretty good. I even look around and see girls way bigger than I am, doing things on the dance floor that I'd never dream of, and still can't get the nerve up...but, I can go into a bar without being toasted now. I have been what I call "knee walking drunk" and then I do things that I wish I couldn't remember the next day...;-)Alcohol is courage in a bottle, but it comes with a price that's not payable at the register.

I'll tell you what got me out of most of my bashfulness with complete strangers...my kids. There is nothing in the world like your protective instincts to over come shyness or fear.

I'm surly not telling you to go have any kids...don't think I'm that far fetched, but...that's just what helped me.

Although now, it's to the other extreme in some cases.

So, my question to you would be how many of those in the streets pay your bills?

Have you been on the streets lately or watched TV to see just what all walks of life are out there?

What's the worst that could happen if you went to downtown Chicago? Maybe not a good question....how about down town Peru? That's my little hole in the Earth town.

Or, maybe I'm getting way too far ahead of myself here.

Are you able to go out and about with the meds your on now?

I am by no means real keen on these things, but I'm leaning on the side of a chemical imbalance and I know that a total body cleanse would knock all that out. Even if it's not a chemical imbalance...if it's all psychological (and that's nasty stuff), I think a cleanse would help that too.

I bet Elizabeth on this list could give you some advice. She is a life coach and seems to be pretty crafty and keen about things mentally and bodily...If you don't feel comfortable talking to Doc yet. I hope I'm not loading Elizabeth's wagon too heavy for her...The only thing with this gal is she's real, real up front and blunt. Which, that's a good thing, I just wasn't ready or willing at the time...*grin*

There's got to be some ancient wisdom in any one that can really piss me off by hurting my feelings and then make it okay. Usually, once is all it takes and I'm done...

You have a nice day Rik,

Angel

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[Guest guest]

LOL....oh Angel. I never intended to hurt your feelings. I do apologize

for that. Thanks for what actually is quite a generous interpretation of

events! ;-)

 

Yes, I am a life coach (and aromatherapist) and you may be surprised in

" real life " I don't actually ADVISE (unless with permission)- I support

others in achieving *their* goals through discovering and living within

their values, and letting go of what derails them, --and yeah, I don't

mess around ;-)

 

I'm more opinionated on this list...cause I'm not at work! Coaching is

never about me, my style, or my opinions- it's always about and for the

other person and what they want. I try to be *straight*- but it is with

love and for love. Big difference with me off list is people are

requesting my support and I have their permission and trust. You can

never offer more than someone wants...but sometimes it's good to push up

against the " edge " a bit- to make a difference.

 

When I was in training I was coached to " be willing to be fired in every

session- be willing to go too far for the sake of a client's life and

possibility " . When I don't do that I have let my client down.

 

So...I really don't offer advice for the heck of it. If someone want's

my opinion GREAT. If someone want's coaching FINE...if someone just

needs to be heard...you got it ;-)

Most folks just need to be heard...and they let you know when they need

more.

 

In customer service there is a great training I have taken into my

life...

It is to *GET* statements...and *ANSWER* questions.

Try it sometime in your own life...it requires listening intently fist

of all- to hear what is needed. Often we ANSWER statements and fail to

answer or respond to QUESTIONS.

It feels really " respectful " to do this.

 

Love,

Elizabeth

 

On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 12:55 PM, Anjeweleyes wrote:

 

> I bet Elizabeth on this list could give you some advice. She is a life

> coach and seems to be pretty crafty and keen about things mentally and

> bodily...If you don't feel comfortable talking to Doc yet. I hope I'm

> not loading Elizabeth's wagon too heavy for her...The only thing with

> this gal is she's real, real up front and blunt. Which, that's a good

> thing, I just wasn't ready or willing at the time...*grin*

>